Square Enix's biggest mistake ever could be them backing 360

SE knows that Sony is not going to make them much money this gen.Bigboi500

Yeah cause CLEARLY the 360 is doing well in Japan where JRPG's sell the most. Plus with the sale figures the TC posted CLEARLY JRPG's are doing SO well on the Xbox 360.

Seriously dude, are you just kidding yourself? Not even one has broken a million.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]SE knows that Sony is not going to make them much money this gen.gamefreakomega

Wrong.

Why profit from one console when you can profit from two? It's not that Sony isn't making them much money, its that Sony + MS will make them more.

Just wanted to say that of course Japanese games are going to sell better on the PS3 than the 360, in Japan. The reason is that there are more PS3s in Japan than 360. Now with that in mind, there are more 360s than PS3s in North America, and I'm not 100% sure who's on top at the moment in Europe.

Square Enix who has been saying for a while that they have wanted to break into the Western gaming market (can't be bothered to find a link, it's late here, google is your friend), have announced that Final Fantasy XIII will be coming not only to the PS3, but also the 360. Now to the hardcore Sony fanboy/fangirl, this may seem like blasphemy. Oh no! A game series that originally started out on Nintendo systems and then made it's way to Sony systems is now on a Microsoft system.

While it may seem like the end of the world to you, it isn't to 360 owners, and especially not to Square Enix. Now I can't predict which version will sell more in North America and Europe. It could go either way. The things is Square Enix will be making more money than they would regardless of which version sells more. Couple this with the fact that at the moment (unless I missed something) FFXIII is not going to be on 360 in Japan (a move that is sensible, but at the same time mind boggling to me), and there you have it, this whole thread was pointless.

A mistake you say? Nope, the only thing Square Enix is making is money, more so than they would have with an exclusive.

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

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I wonder if anyone thinks like me and think Sony may have been in the % of votes to let the game go multiplat. Really it's a smart move the game will obviously sell more on the PS3 due to the regional value and fanbase of the game itself and with Versus XIII being exclusive to the PS3 *as far as we know* Giving the Xbox gamers a taste of the Final Fantasy series may be that final push for them to get both systems really.

That or Sony is really mad at Square Enix for letting the game go, and kicking themselves for wasting there money saving the company from bankrupcy multiple times.

360 #1 in software sales even over the Wii with huge install base. Thread Fail

VirtuaCast

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

masiisam

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

You guys are talking about the most ridiculous things. Sony isn't going to buy Square Enix. End of story.

If they cared that much about those games not being for PS3, they would pay a few million to have them come to PS3, they wouldn't spend nearly a billion buying Square Enix... come on guys...

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

masiisam

Yes, they decided to go with Sony's main competitor IN ADDITION to Sony itself. It tells me Square is a business and that they want to make as much money as possible. Not a bad goal, I say.

[QUOTE="bphan"]This entire thread is ridiculous. Seriously, get over it already. FF 13 is coming to 360. The OP sounds like such a whiner and cry baby. Oh noes. Square is teh doomed cuz ff13 is teh goin to Xbox. hahaha.AmyMizuno

Amy I already told you, What if all other shareholders voted to port FFXIII to xbox360 and sony was the only one against the decision?

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

gamefreakomega

Yes, they decided to go with Sony's main competitor IN ADDITION to Sony itself. It tells me Square is a business and that they want to make as much money as possible. Not a bad goal, I say.

Believe it or not, it's good for Square AND it's good for Sony. Every time the game is purchased on 360 it profits Sony, it's a win for them if you ask me.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

gamefreakomega

Yes, they decided to go with Sony's main competitor IN ADDITION to Sony itself. It tells me Square is a business and that they want to make as much money as possible. Not a bad goal, I say.

I agree with you and the first part of my comment that was not quoted reflects the same opinion.....

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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ThugKing6669

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

[QUOTE="bphan"]This entire thread is ridiculous. Seriously, get over it already. FF 13 is coming to 360. The OP sounds like such a whiner and cry baby. Oh noes. Square is teh doomed cuz ff13 is teh goin to Xbox. hahaha.AmyMizuno

I am sure Square knows a few things about business, market trends and the will of their investors....Certainly more than anyone on this forum..

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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Jynxzor

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

First off I said games, I didn't specify RPGs anywhere in that post, read much? Second off, this is Final Fantasy, a well known RPG franchise. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Lost Odyssey are all newcomers to the RPG genre. I'm not saying FFXIII on the 360 will outsell the PS3 version, but I'm also not saying that the PS3 version will outsell the 360 version (in North America and Europe). Have RPG sales been good on the PS3 so far?

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

Delsage

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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ThugKing6669

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

First off I said games, I didn't specify RPGs anywhere in that post, read much? Second off, this is Final Fantasy, a well known RPG franchise. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Lost Odyssey are all newcomers to the RPG genre. I'm not saying FFXIII on the 360 will outsell the PS3 version, but I'm also not saying that the PS3 version will outsell the 360 version (in North America and Europe). Have RPG sales been good on the PS3 so far?

What about Oblivion and Mass effect? Forgot those hu?

[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

masiisam

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

Nope it hasn't been confirmed. Regardless of whether money was thrown around or not, it probably will never be confirmed either way. If everyone would take the time to read my post on page 3, I think I pretty much explained the whole Final Fantasy XIII/Xbox 360 situation from a unbiased and logical point of view. Although it will probably get spun around by fanboys as they have a tendency to be afraid of truth.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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ThugKing6669

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

First off I said games, I didn't specify RPGs anywhere in that post, read much? Second off, this is Final Fantasy, a well known RPG franchise. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Lost Odyssey are all newcomers to the RPG genre. I'm not saying FFXIII on the 360 will outsell the PS3 version, but I'm also not saying that the PS3 version will outsell the 360 version (in North America and Europe). Have RPG sales been good on the PS3 so far?

Well consdiering you are talking about a RPG with your sales statistics one would assume you are not just spouting non relevant information and atempting to make a point with the high atach rate. Also Final Fantasy may be a large franchise and I did point out I expect to see good sales, but from current trends *This is all we can go on we can't speculate just because it's Final Fantasy every 360 owner will go crazy for it* So yes, newcomer or not sales were even lackluster for a new IP.

1. I did read, and I assumed you were trying to make a point by saying the 360 has a high attach rate...I guess I was wrong and you were just spouting useless information? Or shall I assume I was correct and you are trying to damage control I pointed out that your facts are flawed for the current topic of discussion in this thread. One does not start talking about sales of genres of games in a thread pointed towards a RPG.

2."PS3 RPG sales are good so far?" Is this a rhetorical question? Obviously it is, and hence I won't dignify it with an answer considering you must know that PS3 RPG's are few and far between world-wide at the moment...but the RPG's in Japan seem to be sharing a good bit of success for the instal base.

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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VirtuaCast

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

First off I said games, I didn't specify RPGs anywhere in that post, read much? Second off, this is Final Fantasy, a well known RPG franchise. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Lost Odyssey are all newcomers to the RPG genre. I'm not saying FFXIII on the 360 will outsell the PS3 version, but I'm also not saying that the PS3 version will outsell the 360 version (in North America and Europe). Have RPG sales been good on the PS3 so far?

What about Oblivion and Mass effect? Forgot those hu?

Was that directed at me or the guy I quoted?

[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

masiisam

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

Oh common, it's obvious that Microsoft is doing what ever they can to get the Japanese fanbase.

All these JRPG's are being put onto the 360, yet the sales for them are not enough to even make a profit to how much time and money is put into making them.

I don't think Square or Microsoft would ever post the documents saying "Yes this game was bought to be on this system." as it would diminish their reputation. However keeping it secret is worse in my taste, especially when it's so obvious.

They are giving the 360 lots of love, while ignoring the PS3-- going against the market trends and against the will of their own investors. How is this a smart business decision? Square made a calculated decision that they could sell more on a more popular system-- the 360, but will the 360 still be on top when FFXIII actually releases? If the numbers continue like they have, the answer is no. PS3 is expected to pass 360 in worldwide sales in April, 2009. I'm guessing Sony's current strategy is to pass the 360 in worldwide sales before the release of FFXIII.

AmyMizuno

Taken from a prevoius thread made by Amy.

While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.

As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make. They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...

AmyMizuno

Hooray for more hypocricy from Amy.....

When are you going to make up your mind?

Its also interesting to see you talk business.

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

sbfriends

Amy is a freshman CS student, not a business person, her belief about investing, profit, business law, business management, and finance are reflective of that lack of education. That's not to insult her, it's simply a reality than an MBA / MIS / whatever should know: people without formal training / experience in these areas generally say things that make little sense to those with that experience / education.

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

Delsage

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

Oh common, it's obvious that Microsoft is doing what ever they can to get the Japanese fanbase.

All these JRPG's are being put onto the 360, yet the sales for them are not enough to even make a profit to how much time and money is put into making them.

I don't think Square or Microsoft would ever post the documents saying "Yes this game was bought to be on this system." as it would diminish their reputation. However keeping it secret is worse in my taste, especially when it's so obvious.

ironic how the 360 version is going to the japanese audience

edit: isnt*

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="ThugKing6669"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

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Jynxzor

This is true, and I also remember reading something about 360 having the highest attach rate of all three consoles. This means that 360 players buy more games than players on PS3 and Wii.

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

First off I said games, I didn't specify RPGs anywhere in that post, read much? Second off, this is Final Fantasy, a well known RPG franchise. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Lost Odyssey are all newcomers to the RPG genre. I'm not saying FFXIII on the 360 will outsell the PS3 version, but I'm also not saying that the PS3 version will outsell the 360 version (in North America and Europe). Have RPG sales been good on the PS3 so far?

Well consdiering you are talking about a RPG with your sales statistics one would assume you are not just spouting non relevant information and atempting to make a point with the high atach rate. Also Final Fantasy may be a large franchise and I did point out I expect to see good sales, but from current trends *This is all we can go on we can't speculate just because it's Final Fantasy every 360 owner will go crazy for it* So yes, newcomer or not sales were even lackluster for a new IP.

1. I did read, and I assumed you were trying to make a point by saying the 360 has a high attach rate...I guess I was wrong and you were just spouting useless information? Or shall I assume I was correct and you are trying to damage control I pointed out that your facts are flawed for the current topic of discussion in this thread. One does not start talking about sales of genres of games in a thread pointed towards a RPG.

2."PS3 RPG sales are good so far?" Is this a rhetorical question? Obviously it is, and hence I won't dignify it with an answer considering you must know that PS3 RPG's are few and far between world-wide at the moment...but the RPG's in Japan seem to be sharing a good bit of success for the instal base.

First off, let's get this out of the way. Damage control? No, your mistaking me for a fanboy. While I am a fanboy, it is not of any of the consoles of this generation. The only thing I am a fanboy of is Sega, who in my opinion died with the Dreamcast.

1. The point that I'm trying to make in regards to the high attach rate is that 360 owners buy a lot of games. So I'm sure Square Enix took notice of that when making the multiplatform decision. If you still don't understand, owner's of a system buying more games, means a higher change that their game will be bought by them. The thing with 360 as opposed to the previous Xbox is that there are RPG fans that jumped ship from the PS2 at the beginning of this gen. So there is a good chance for decent to high sales of Final Fantasy XIII on Xbox 360.

2. I wasn't asking that question as a attack, I was asking it to know how well the sales were. I don't keep much track of sales personally, and only happen to catch that kind of information when I visit kotaku.com or here. I know there's not very many PS3 RPGs, but again I was just asking so that I could know the information. RPGs selling in Japan is a given.

Either way, the main point I'm trying to make is that the decision to go multiplatform with Final Fantasy XIII is not a mistake for Square, it won't hurt them, unless nobody buys the game on 360. Which isn't going to happen. That would be like nobody buying Halo. Square is going to make more money than they normally would have. The only ones hurt by this are die-hard Sony fanboys and fangirls who are hurt that their system lost an exclusive. Which dosen't make sense to me since they still get to play it.

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

Delsage

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

Oh common, it's obvious that Microsoft is doing what ever they can to get the Japanese fanbase.

All these JRPG's are being put onto the 360, yet the sales for them are not enough to even make a profit to how much time and money is put into making them.

I don't think Square or Microsoft would ever post the documents saying "Yes this game was bought to be on this system." as it would diminish their reputation. However keeping it secret is worse in my taste, especially when it's so obvious.

What does the Japanese fanbase have to do with it though, the Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII is not going to Japanese Xbox 360s. So the only thing that could affect is worldwide sales.

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

AmyMizuno

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

[QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

AmyMizuno

Do you even know what a Keiretsu is? It's the Japanese board of interlocking corporate directorships that helps prevent hostile takeovers of companies in Japan; however, Sony is one of the few Japanese companies that has decided not to take part in the Keiretsu. Square-Enix's Keiretsu is Mitsubishi Financial, but their Keiretsu is weak, because it onlyowns around 10% of the company, not nearly enough to prevent a hostile takeover from Sony. It is enough to prevent one from Microsoft though.

Could you explain to me how it would prevent a hostile takeover from Microsoft but not Sony. Is it because Sony owes shares in Square-Enix (I think, not 100% about this though)? I'm not asking as a attack on you or to debate, just genuinely curious.

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

Wow...

At the end of the day and however people want to spin this..The game will sell more copies with the 360 on board....and what investor would shun that concept? Making more money???..

I find it even more funny if Sony is so deep rooted in Square...And they still decided to go with Sony's main competitor..What does that tell you..

Delsage

Tells me that Microsoft has deep pockets of course. ;)

MS has deep pockets...that's for damn sure..I wish I was just in the coin pocket of those pants..

But has it been "confirmed" that MS bought into this?...There are a host of other reasons that are also possible

Oh common, it's obvious that Microsoft is doing what ever they can to get the Japanese fanbase.

All these JRPG's are being put onto the 360, yet the sales for them are not enough to even make a profit to how much time and money is put into making them.

I don't think Square or Microsoft would ever post the documents saying "Yes this game was bought to be on this system." as it would diminish their reputation. However keeping it secret is worse in my taste, especially when it's so obvious.

If it is so obvious then why is FF still exclusive in japan?

It's fine to have opinion/assumptions..but they are far from fact..

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

AmyMizuno

Amy is a freshman CS student, not a business person, her belief about investing, profit, business law, business management, and finance are reflective of that lack of education. That's not to insult her, it's simply a reality than an MBA / MIS / whatever should know: people without formal training / experience in these areas generally say things that make little sense to those with that experience / education.

Anyway, takeovers aren't the same in Japan as they are in the United States because of the Keiretsu. Sony however, is not a part of the Keiretsu. Did you read what I said above, or are you just trying to troll?

I only know what you claim Amy.

Anyway, I'm a college student currently studying Software Engineering. I wouldn't admit this on the public forums, but I'm only a freshmen =P, so I'm not quite as knowledgable as I pretend to be xD. Anyway, thanks for correcting me, and I hope to be able to program XNA some day when I become more knowledgable.

AmyMizuno

*shrugs* if you were lying to me then I do apologize. And I don't troll Amy, accusing people of trolling in your posts, and calling people "ban-dodgers" though is trolling. I'm not reporting it here, of course, I don't think that's a good way to resolve a dispute, and I have no intention of insulting your intelligence, but I would like you to clarify how you're qualified to talk on this issue?

I don't think being able to pull things off Wikipedia is quite the same as being an expert in International Business. As a claimed "software engineer" you'd probably agree with the statement that it takes a few years to really "get" stuff like object-oriented programming, and what all that really "means", no matter how smart you are.

What you're doing here is implying that you, a college freshman, are smarter than the dozens of world-c1ass business executives with years of formal education and decades of experience. I mean, really? That's a rather bold claim.

-

And of course if you're not a college freshman / were making something up there y'know you're more than welcome to update us with the correct information regarding your background. I of course don't want to be inaccurate about your experience.

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ThugKing6669

Oh I totally understand I'm not trying to point you out as a fanboy or attacking me, I just felt a few things were out of place and I don't see it as a mistake for SE to release it for the 360 i just expect the obvious that the sales on the 360 will be good but nothing for fanboys to really get in a fus about on either side.

I'm sorry if I attempted to single you out not my intentions, I'm personally glad the game is multiplatform but what I would love to know is the real reason they did do multiplat...we will never know the true answer but can only assume the most logical one, Money!

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

Blackbond

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

What are you always picking on Amy BlackBond? :?

[QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

subrosian

Amy is a freshman CS student, not a business person, her belief about investing, profit, business law, business management, and finance are reflective of that lack of education. That's not to insult her, it's simply a reality than an MBA / MIS / whatever should know: people without formal training / experience in these areas generally say things that make little sense to those with that experience / education.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

subrosian

Amy is a freshman CS student, not a business person, her belief about investing, profit, business law, business management, and finance are reflective of that lack of education. That's not to insult her, it's simply a reality than an MBA / MIS / whatever should know: people without formal training / experience in these areas generally say things that make little sense to those with that experience / education.

Anyway, takeovers aren't the same in Japan as they are in the United States because of the Keiretsu. Sony however, is not a part of the Keiretsu. Did you read what I said above, or are you just trying to troll?

I only know what you claim Amy.

Anyway, I'm a college student currently studying Software Engineering. I wouldn't admit this on the public forums, but I'm only a freshmen =P, so I'm not quite as knowledgable as I pretend to be xD. Anyway, thanks for correcting me, and I hope to be able to program XNA some day when I become more knowledgable.

AmyMizuno

*shrugs* if you were lying to me then I do apologize. And I don't troll Amy, accusing people of trolling in your posts, and calling people "ban-dodgers" though is trolling. I'm not reporting it here, of course, I don't think that's a good way to resolve a dispute, and I have no intention of insulting your intelligence, but I would like you to clarify how you're qualified to talk on this issue?

I don't think being able to pull things off Wikipedia is quite the same as being an expert in International Business. As a claimed "software engineer" you'd probably agree with the statement that it takes a few years to really "get" stuff like object-oriented programming, and what all that really "means", no matter how smart you are.

What you're doing here is implying that you, a college freshman, are smarter than the dozens of world-c1ass business executives with years of formal education and decades of experience. I mean, really? That's a rather bold claim.

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

AgentA-Mi6

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

What are you always picking on Amy BlackBond? :?

She calls for it with her hypocrisy and constant bashing of MS.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

AgentA-Mi6

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

What are you always picking on Amy BlackBond? :?

I do not pick on anyone. I simply prefer to watch people destroy and inflict damage upon themselves. Yes I know its a sick amusement but its just too damn hilarious. You can't tell me that if I was your neighbor and I continuously ran into a tree you wouldn't look out your window and point and laugh at me lol.

I think it will boost overall sales of FF by 25%. Considering that FF has been in decline since VII (9 millions) where XII sold only 5 millions. Lets say that XIII sells 5 millions again, in the PS3 (Japan represents half those numbers, and FF XIII is exclusive in Japan) so maybe FF XIII can reach a number between 7 and 8 million units. It will sell more on the PS3, it been shown by previous releases of other J-Games. The 360, as many have said in both Europe and Asia, is not marketed well, and holds a huge "american" feeling to it. And just to let you guys know, USA may be the biggest consumer in the world, but its also the most hated comunity in the world, and if there are people who hold grudges, gamers are in the top of that chart.

MS has failed at marketing their product in non-americanized places, just check Japan, games as Lost Oddyssey and Blue Dragon should have sold a million at least only in Japan, Its the father of Final Fantasy, and Nobuo Uematsu (who is also the leader of the Black Mages, a really popular band in Japan). Not only that, but Blue Dragon had Akira Toriyama. Those 2 games had WIN writen all over their covers. It saddens me, because they are also good games, great RPGs that were skipped by many, and may have killed possible franchises for the future. MS can buy as many franchises as he wants, but at what price. What is the price that we as gamers are paying?

I'm studying math and while I don't know about law, I can certainly find the area under a curve if you give me a formula for that curve.death919

If all it took to be good at International Business was an understanding of basic calculus, or an introductory economics course, half of college students would be billionaires. International distribution of software across multiple platforms, based on predicted returns-on-investments and taking into account risk factors (and a couple dozen other things that are frankly beyond the scope of forum discussion) with no background in business would be near-impossible.

You can study the issues, but at a certain point you have to accept that Square-Enix is an incredibly wealthy company staffed with people who know what they're doing - they don't do something like this on a whim, and it's a bit *grand* for someone who is not an expert in these matters to imply Square-Enix made a "bad decision". Square-Enix did market research, they know their timeline, they know what they're doing.