Square Enix's biggest mistake ever could be them backing 360

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"]

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Jynxzor

Oh I totally understand I'm not trying to point you out as a fanboy or attacking me, I just felt a few things were out of place and I don't see it as a mistake for SE to release it for the 360 i just expect the obvious that the sales on the 360 will be good but nothing for fanboys to really get in a fus about on either side.

I'm sorry if I attempted to single you out not my intentions, I'm personally glad the game is multiplatform but what I would love to know is the real reason they did do multiplat...we will never know the true answer but can only assume the most logical one, Money!

It's straight, I'm just used to having people go off for me having an opinion or knowledge of something that has any kind of negative meaning on their console/game of choice. So I just took your words the wrong way. I probably came off a little to strongly myself.

I'm just really tired of this whole Final Fantasy on 360 is the end of the world fanboy crap. I'm sure you are too judging by your post. So no hard feelings?

That post was written by me over 6 months ago today. I even know who I was talking to, Teuf. Anyway, sometimes corporate executives begin to lose touch with reality. I think the average person, not only myself probably has a better grounding than most MBAs out there today.

AmyMizuno

You are aware that I have multiple accounts on GameSpot, Amy, aren't you? And that a large network of GameSpotters work and play games together? If you're talking to almost anyone on GS, there's a damn good chance you're talking to me. That's how I know when people are lying, when they say one thing to "subrosian" and another thing to __________ .

Bottom line, I don't feel you're qualified to contest the decision of people who've been doing this job longer than you claim to be alive. It's one thing if you don't *agree* with the decision on moral principle, fine, but to call it a bad business decision is simply absurd.

IMO, I feel that the PS3 version will sell better because of 2 major issues.

1) Unless it has changed, FF13 is not going to be on the 360 in Japan.

2) Square has said that they will start, or have just started, on the 360 version AFTER the PS3 version comes out.

[QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

AmyMizuno

Do you even know what a Keiretsu is? It's the Japanese board of interlocking corporate directorships that helps prevent hostile takeovers of companies in Japan; however, Sony is one of the few Japanese companies that has decided not to take part in the Keiretsu. Square-Enix's Keiretsu is Mitsubishi Financial, but their Keiretsu is weak, because it onlyowns around 10% of the company, not nearly enough to prevent a hostile takeover from Sony. It is enough to prevent one from Microsoft though.

So sad you assume anyone with a new account automatically has an alternate - it's a scary thought any "new" comer could disagree with you, let alone provoke thought (of which there seems to be very little on these forums).

In any case, you dodge the issue. Take it from someone who has actually studied corporations law (albiet one pertaining to Australia - nevertheless concepts are applicable internationally) - a company acting in the detriment of itself is not helping its investors.

So why would they cut revenue streams for an investor? Even if there was a vote on the issue, to avoid a conflict of interest, Sony would either not vote at all or have to make very clear its own position. In either case, how is it beneficial to have a game stay exclusive to one platform? To the company, it's beneficial to it, and it's investors, to expand and create more opportunities for itself.

The argument you have put forward shows a lack of understanding and education on the subject-matter. So sad anyone can create a thread about anything - I guess that would explain the convolution on these boards.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

sbfriends

Do you even know what a Keiretsu is? It's the Japanese board of interlocking corporate directorships that helps prevent hostile takeovers of companies in Japan; however, Sony is one of the few Japanese companies that has decided not to take part in the Keiretsu. Square-Enix's Keiretsu is Mitsubishi Financial, but their Keiretsu is weak, because it onlyowns around 10% of the company, not nearly enough to prevent a hostile takeover from Sony. It is enough to prevent one from Microsoft though.

So sad you assume anyone with a new account automatically has an alternate - it's a scary thought any "new" comer could disagree with you, let alone provoke thought (of which there seems to be very little on these forums).

In any case, you dodge the issue. Take it from someone who has actually studied corporations law (albiet one pertaining to Australia - nevertheless concepts are applicable internationally) - a company acting in the detriment of itself is not helping its investors.

So why would they cut revenue streams for an investor? Even if there was a vote on the issue, to avoid a conflict of interest, Sony would either not vote at all or have to make very clear its own position. In either case, how is it beneficial to have a game stay exclusive to one platform? To the company, it's beneficial to it, and it's investors, to expand and create more opportunities for itself.

The argument you have put forward shows a lack of understanding and education on the subject-matter. So sad anyone can create a thread about anything - I guess that would explain the convolution on these boards.

Agreed, trying to sell a few more millions it's like totally stupid, bad move SE.

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[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

CJL13

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

What are you always picking on Amy BlackBond? :?

She calls for it with her hypocrisy and constant bashing of MS.

• Not to mention her constant Blind Nationalism
• Her compulsive lying
• Her inability to provide facts to back up her statements most of the time
• Her I don't need facts to prove something.

That combined with what you said "Hypocrisy" makes her an incredibly difficult poster to understand. The day before E3 she says that if Sony doesn't deliver tomorrow shes jumping ship to Nintendo.Well Sony showed off RFOM2, KZ2, MAG essentially shooters and not really anything in the JRPG catagory or anything else in JPN taste.

So what does she do? She shrugs it off and claims she will give them two more chances.

In reality we went through this before. Most JRPGS on the 360 have been selling better then games like Disgaea 3, Valkyrie Chronicles, and even Persona 3 on PS2.

We've gone through the raw numbers and the statisics and what happened. She ignored them.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

AmyMizuno

You made that post immediately following when I started building the official Too Human hype thread on a private board. That would simply show that you follow my posting history, which I'm well aware of for a number of reasons.

I'm glad you find me so interesting Amy, I find you fascinating, you're better at this game than most, but it's best if you're simply consistent in your stories. There's nothing wrong with being honest about who you are.

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I do apologize that this is old, so technically you must be a sophmore by now? With one year of engineering experience under your belt, I still do not think you're exactly qualified to discuss the decisions of companies with projects costing in the hundred million dollar range. If you were Steve Ballmer, maybe, but you're not, and I'm not - we have to look at Square-Enix, a wildly succesful company, and say "they might know how to make money". Maybe, just maybe, they know what they're doing :P

Now, you're entitled to disagree with them on principle - which I'd understand, I disagree with Nintendo on principle, even if I can't argue with their financial success. But what you're doing is saying you know better than a company that has done this since before you claim to have been born, about how to make money in the gaming market. Based on what? Do you believe you have better data than Square-Enix? Do you believe you're a better analyst? Do you think you're a smarter business person than the executive body of Square Enix?

[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

Blackbond

Or maybe you shouldn't threaten to sue someone over an internet forum causing a whole bunch of unessecary drama :roll:

What are you always picking on Amy BlackBond? :?

She calls for it with her hypocrisy and constant bashing of MS.

• Not to mention her constant Blind Nationalism
• Her compulsive lying
• Her inability to provide facts to back up her statements most of the time
• Her I don't need facts to prove something.

That combined with what you said "Hypocrisy" makes her an incredibly difficult poster to understand. The day before E3 she says that if Sony doesn't deliver tomorrow shes jumping ship to Nintendo.Well Sony showed off RFOM2, KZ2, MAG essentially shooters and not really anything in the JRPG catagory or anything else in JPN taste.

So what does she do? She shrugs it off and claims she will give them two more chances.

In reality we went through this before. Most JRPGS on the 360 have been selling better then games like Disgaea 3, Valkyrie Chronicles, and even Persona 3 on PS2.

We've gone through the raw numbers and the statisics and what happened. She ignored them.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• Not to mention her constant Blind Nationalism
• Her compulsive lying
• Her inability to provide facts to back up her statements most of the time
• Her I don't need facts to prove something.

That combined with what you said "Hypocrisy" makes her an incredibly difficult poster to understand. The day before E3 she says that if Sony doesn't deliver tomorrow shes jumping ship to Nintendo.Well Sony showed off RFOM2, KZ2, MAG essentially shooters and not really anything in the JRPG catagory or anything else in JPN taste.

So what does she do? She shrugs it off and claims she will give them two more chances.

In reality we went through this before. Most JRPGS on the 360 have been selling better then games like Disgaea 3, Valkyrie Chronicles, and even Persona 3 on PS2.

We've gone through the raw numbers and the statisics and what happened. She ignored them.

AmyMizuno

Wow, it's funny to see someone so confident about themself, in a thread centered around the notion a company should be detrimental to itself to please investors.

That's what we call irony.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

AmyMizuno

If you said you were a freshman 6 monthes ago you would be in your second semester of your freshman year. Aren't you still considered a freshman until we reach the upcoming fall semester?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• Not to mention her constant Blind Nationalism
• Her compulsive lying
• Her inability to provide facts to back up her statements most of the time
• Her I don't need facts to prove something.

That combined with what you said "Hypocrisy" makes her an incredibly difficult poster to understand. The day before E3 she says that if Sony doesn't deliver tomorrow shes jumping ship to Nintendo.Well Sony showed off RFOM2, KZ2, MAG essentially shooters and not really anything in the JRPG catagory or anything else in JPN taste.

So what does she do? She shrugs it off and claims she will give them two more chances.

In reality we went through this before. Most JRPGS on the 360 have been selling better then games like Disgaea 3, Valkyrie Chronicles, and even Persona 3 on PS2.

We've gone through the raw numbers and the statisics and what happened. She ignored them.

AmyMizuno

Hunch? Either you're egostical or you have one of these!

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

subrosian

You made that post immediately following when I started building the official Too Human hype thread on a private board. That would simply show that you follow my posting history, which I'm well aware of for a number of reasons.

I'm glad you find me so interesting Amy, I find you fascinating, you're better at this game than most, but it's best if you're simply consistent in your stories. There's nothing wrong with being honest about who you are.

-

I do apologize that this is old, so technically you must be a sophmore by now? With one year of engineering experience under your belt, I still do not think you're exactly qualified to discuss the decisions of companies with projects costing in the hundred million dollar range. If you were Steve Ballmer, maybe, but you're not, and I'm not - we have to look at Square-Enix, a wildly succesful company, and say "they might know how to make money". Maybe, just maybe, they know what they're doing :P

Now, you're entitled to disagree with them on principle - which I'd understand, I disagree with Nintendo on principle, even if I can't argue with their financial success. But what you're doing is saying you know better than a company that has done this since before you claim to have been born, about how to make money in the gaming market. Based on what? Do you believe you have better data than Square-Enix? Do you believe you're a better analyst? Do you think you're a smarter business person than the executive body of Square Enix?

So Subrosian, isn't it funny how months after our huge RROD argument, it came out that it was infact defects in the GPU. That's hilarious, isn't it? Looks like I was right. I'm usually right, but when I'm wrong I do admit it.AmyMizuno

I thought we were discussing Square-Enix investing in the 360 in the future, based on the NPD? If we were discussing FF XIII, there is a sticky for that. And if you want to disucss the RROD, feel free to create a new topic (but please use something OTHER than blogs in India to prove your claims that the GPU typically gets to "over 100 C in regular usage")

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As far as on-topic is concerned, you've yet to answer a simple question:

What makes you more qualified to decide on International Business than Square-Enix? What multi-million dollar software company do you act as CEO for?

Just like GTA, FFXIII won't do anything for either console.

It's not really a mistake for SE though. They'll probably be fine, even though the userbases of both consoles won't be that high.

I'm not playing hard to get Subrosian, but I haven't even thought of you since our last epic conversation. I haven't been reporting any of your posts, and I haven't been looking at your profile or posting history. I think it's funny how Microsoft came out a few months later and said there were indeed defects in the 360 GPU. This especially shows how arguing with you isn't worth my time.

AmyMizuno

This is all off topic, I had one question:

What makes you more qualified to decide what platforms to invest in than the executive board of Square-Enix?

The fact of the matter is, I am right a majority of the time. When I have a hunch about something, it is generally correct, and you can look at my track record to see how often I am right.My own track record can be used to support my assertions. That's why I don't always need facts, although facts are nice.

AmyMizuno

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Do you not see that he stated his opinion as a fact? That is all that I am pointing out.Blackbond

See if it wasn't for someone like you claiming that Star Ocean 4 coming to PS3 is a fact, 360 is destroying gaming is a fact, and that a lot of PS2 games push more Polygons then Gears of War is a fact. Without ever backing up any of your statements proving so this thread would have been so much better.

I would laugh my behind off if they put out Xbox 720 right before the PS3 passed the 360 thus making them sell more in the generation lol.

But yeah unless MS figures out something its all but slowly inevitiable that they will be behind.

Prove them all right now then if they are facts then.

To be completely honest, I'm not discussing anything with you. I'm through arguing with you, because there is no way to convince you that you are wrong. Square-Enix probably made the decision to port FFXIII and start backing 360 a few months ago, and they didn't see the following trends (PS3 starting to outsell 360). By the time FFXIII actually come out in the US, PS3 will be ahead of 360.AmyMizuno

I didn't think this topic was about FF XIII or I would not post in it - I thought we were discussing SE investment in the 360 (overall) based on NPD numbers. If it is about FF XIII, let me know now so we can lock it. :)

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

AmyMizuno

If you said you were a freshman 6 monthes ago you would be in your second semester of your freshman year. Aren't you still considered a freshman until we reach the upcoming fall semester?

Well duh you completely a full two semesters of College.

They are giving the 360 lots of love, while ignoring the PS3-- going against the market trends and against the will of their own investors. How is this a smart business decision? Square made a calculated decision that they could sell more on a more popular system-- the 360, but will the 360 still be on top when FFXIII actually releases? If the numbers continue like they have, the answer is no. PS3 is expected to pass 360 in worldwide sales in April, 2009. I'm guessing Sony's current strategy is to pass the 360 in worldwide sales before the release of FFXIII.AmyMizuno

i can understand FFXIII going multiplat etc. But why Square enix is making exclusives for the 360 i dont quite understand... If someone knows why plz tell me, i've been stumped on this for a while.blackeneddeath

If you go to page three of this thread, I put a explanation of why they would be doing that. It's unbiased so you don't have to worry about any fanboy crap.

This thread has been attaacked by the derailing train!

This thread has been attaacked by the derailing train!

Jynxzor

sony launched the ps3 in 2006.. we're in 2008.. they're still unable to pass x360 overall sales world wide..

MS launched X360 in 2005.. that's 3 years of advantage (over ps3) in worldwide sales..

how long is a life span of a console before launching the next? 5 years?

if sony managed to outperform MS by year 4 or 5.. how long they'll enjoy that market share dominance before the next wave of consoles hits?

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]i can understand FFXIII going multiplat etc. But why Square enix is making exclusives for the 360 i dont quite understand... If someone knows why plz tell me, i've been stumped on this for a while.ThugKing6669

If you go to page three of this thread, I put a explanation of why they would be doing that. It's unbiased so you don't have to worry about any fanboy crap.

aight thanks... only read the first two pages lol

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Heh well what do you know. Its like I said before. A compulsive liar. Destroyed her via her own words.

Blackbond

If you said you were a freshman 6 monthes ago you would be in your second semester of your freshman year. Aren't you still considered a freshman until we reach the upcoming fall semester?

Well duh you completely a full two semesters of College.

So let me get this straight she is a sophomore in college who is an intern for CNN and also works as a programmer :shock:.

I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? I guess that's whyamymizuno

May I quote you in the future on that bit of insight? I never knew President Bush had such a controlling hand over Square-Enix!

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"]

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]i can understand FFXIII going multiplat etc. But why Square enix is making exclusives for the 360 i dont quite understand... If someone knows why plz tell me, i've been stumped on this for a while.blackeneddeath

If you go to page three of this thread, I put a explanation of why they would be doing that. It's unbiased so you don't have to worry about any fanboy crap.

aight thanks... only read the first two pages lol

I just read your post, and that makes sense, but if they were trying to become a big part of the western front wouldnt they come up with a westernized type of game to bring into america instead of what they are putting out now?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[quote="amymizuno"]I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? I guess that's whyAmyMizuno

May I quote you in the future on that bit of insight? I never knew President Bush had such a controlling hand over Square-Enix!

your going all over the place here...

[QUOTE="ThugKing6669"]

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"]i can understand FFXIII going multiplat etc. But why Square enix is making exclusives for the 360 i dont quite understand... If someone knows why plz tell me, i've been stumped on this for a while.blackeneddeath

If you go to page three of this thread, I put a explanation of why they would be doing that. It's unbiased so you don't have to worry about any fanboy crap.

aight thanks... only read the first two pages lol

No problem, I do that sometimes too lol. Hopefully the post helps.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[quote="amymizuno"]I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? I guess that's whyAmyMizuno

May I quote you in the future on that bit of insight? I never knew President Bush had such a controlling hand over Square-Enix!

You know what, I have to ask, what does the current value of the USD have anything to do with SE trying to expand their market share with the 360?

[QUOTE="blackeneddeath"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[quote="amymizuno"]I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? I guess that's whyAmyMizuno

May I quote you in the future on that bit of insight? I never knew President Bush had such a controlling hand over Square-Enix!

your going all over the place here...

happens to me too...

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[quote="amymizuno"]I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? I guess that's whysplinter-OP

May I quote you in the future on that bit of insight? I never knew President Bush had such a controlling hand over Square-Enix!

You know what, I have to ask, what does the current value of the USD have anything to do with SE trying to expand their market share with the 360?

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

The fact of the matter is, I am right a majority of the time. When I have a hunch about something, it is generally correct, and you can look at my track record to see how often I am right.My own track record can be used to support my assertions. That's why I don't always need facts, although facts are nice.

Blackbond

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

See if it wasn't for someone like you claiming that Star Ocean 4 coming to PS3 is a fact, 360 is destroying gaming is a fact, and that a lot of PS2 games push more Polygons then Gears of War is a fact. Without ever backing up any of your statements proving so this thread would have been so much better.

I would laugh my behind off if they put out Xbox 720 right before the PS3 passed the 360 thus making them sell more in the generation lol.

But yeah unless MS figures out something its all but slowly inevitiable that they will be behind.

Blackbond

Prove them all right now then if they are facts then.

Yup I'm still waiting for you to prove that you're usually always right :roll: