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#51 latinrage69
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[QUOTE="latinrage69"]back on topic. how the hell can anyone compare a fighting game which is still in development to a finished fps? if you wanted to compare fighting games, then you should've compared SSBB to tekken 6, or doa 4/5, or street fighter 4, or virtua fighter 5. why an fps? because it's the most popular game on the market?Tsug_Ze_Wind

SSBB and Halo, aside from their genres, have a lot in common. They're both the multiplayer kller app for their system, the biggest system seller for their system, they target (arguably) the same audience. Even the levels and items are similar (as I compare).

But, it's not meant to be all that serious. :P

the biggest difference is that one is exclusive to running and gunning while the other is actual fighting. they're both monkey sh-- fights don't get me wrong, but even though SSBB is targeted towards children, there are more prepubescent children playing halo than SSBB.

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#52 nintendofreak_2
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Comparing features, of two games OF TWO DIFFERENT GENRES!!axes03
Features can still be compared, it doesn't matter if they from different games of different genres. People compare graphics of games of different genres, I guess they should stop that too?
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#53 latinrage69
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[QUOTE="axes03"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="axes03"]

idiotic sheep, youre comparing an FPS thats already out to a fighting game thats not out,

"L-O-G-I-C", google it, youll learn something

Marth6781

He's comparing features, not the games themselves.

Comparing features, of two games OF TWO DIFFERENT GENRES!!

Thats like saying why compare 360/ps3 graphics since they're different systems.

but then what else are we going to do in system wars?

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#54 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]That's debateable too. Cows think it's now Uncharted. I don't think so, but I'm in no position to join that argument. ;)

*re-rerails*

latinrage69

*derails* uncharted comes close t gears but doesn't take the title. that's one game compared to a handful found on the 360 (exclusives not multiplat.) that still qualifies the 360 as being the home to the best console graphics; because of the sheer number of graphically awesome titles, not just one.

*tries to re-rail. "dammit! the track warped!"*

Well, I agree.

*track safely re-rails*

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#55 jim_shorts
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So you're comparing an FPS that's been released to a fighting game that isn't out for a few more months. It doesn't quite work for me.
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#56 Shinobishyguy
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so how bout dat falcon punch?
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#57 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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the biggest difference is that one is exclusive to running and gunning while the other is actual fighting. they're both monkey sh-- fights don't get me wrong, but even though SSBB is targeted towards children, there are more prepubescent children playing halo than SSBB.

latinrage69

They're definitely different games. But I think it actually makes more sense to compare them then, say...FF13 versus Mass Effect.

I was going to touch on community, but I didn't think it would be well-recieved. :P

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#58 Willy105
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So you're comparing an FPS that's been released to a fighting game that isn't out for a few more months. It doesn't quite work for me.jim_shorts

It's like we practically have the game due to those nonstop blogs from Nintendo.

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#60 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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so how bout dat falcon punch?Shinobishyguy

I do believe you are referring to the Falkown Paaanch, after which you would request that the opponent shows you their moves.

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#61 DragonfireXZ95
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am i the only one who finds this silly? ur comparing a FPS to a fighting game and on top of all....you are comparing halo 3 to a game that isnt even out :?Dante2710

You guys are taking this way to seriously, it's obvious that he's purposely being biased and doing this for fun. lol

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#62 HelloJon
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Tsug_Ze_Wind you have to ask Willy if you can write an article in system wars monthly cuz this post was funny. Keep up the great work!
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#63 jim_shorts
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]So you're comparing an FPS that's been released to a fighting game that isn't out for a few more months. It doesn't quite work for me.Willy105

It's like we practically have the game due to those nonstop blogs from Nintendo.

I highlighted the problem. I'm no lemming, but if it comes directly from nintendo, they're trying to get you excited.
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#64 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Tsug_Ze_Wind you have to ask Willy if you can write an article in system wars monthly cuz this post was funny. Keep up the great work!HelloJon

You know, that's a good idea...;)

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#65 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]so how bout dat falcon punch?Tsug_Ze_Wind

I do believe you are referring to the Falkown Paaanch, after which you would request that the opponent shows you their moves.

So thats how it's spelled. I got the PANCH right but I always spelled it "falcone" like ice cream cone....but meh.

some what related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw&feature=related

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#66 PotatoSan
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Every single thing is opinion.

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#67 chillpill100
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lol its funny how only the 360/PS3 users have a problem with comparing a fighter to an FPS
could it be...... you cant find anything about the argument that is false?
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#68 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Every single thing is opinion.

PotatoSan

Everything? Eeeeeeeverything?

Probably. But it's a pretty dern good opinion.

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#69 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="axes03"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="axes03"]

idiotic sheep, youre comparing an FPS thats already out to a fighting game thats not out,

"L-O-G-I-C", google it, youll learn something

latinrage69

He's comparing features, not the games themselves.

Comparing features, of two games OF TWO DIFFERENT GENRES!!

Thats like saying why compare 360/ps3 graphics since they're different systems.

but then what else are we going to do in system wars?

the point is, that guy just got owned.
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#70 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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lol its funny how only the 360/PS3 users have a problem with comparing a fighter to an FPS
could it be...... you cant find anything about the argument that is false?chillpill100

It's expected that none of them are refuting any single point, because it is a ****load to read. :P

I was hoping an avid Halo player would try and debate with me on any levels/weapon points, though.

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#71 kansasdude2009
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wow tsug - :shock:

I read most of it - good job :P

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#72 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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wow tsug - :shock:

I read most of it

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Impossible. I refuse to believe it. :lol:

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#73 kansasdude2009
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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

wow tsug - :shock:

I read most of it

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Impossible. I refuse to believe it. :lol:

oh no... its true! :o

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#74 mlbslugger86
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you gotta be kidding me, i love SSBM but that single player sucked, its like they payed more attention to the multiplayer than the single player, so with that said...theres no way SSBB is going to be better
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You may already be aware of this, but this comparison is horribly, horribly flawed.

SSBB basically wins in multiplayer because you count each additional stage, character, and item as a separate victory on your chart. But why? Does a new Brawl stage contribute as much to the total fun as a new Halo stage? Do you want Halo to have a ton of different characters? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The other flaw is that you're comparing a game that is out to a game that isn't out. A lot of your statements (especially about SP) are essentially "I don't know what Brawl is like, but Halo's isn't that good, so Brawl is probably better." That's not very fair. You have no idea how the level design or difficulty of Brawl's singleplayer will be. Until you have some idea, it's silly to compare.

Finally, the whole idea of comparing a fighting game to a FPS game (especially going category by category) is pretty ridiculous on its own.

If this whole thing was a joke, it's a joke that you seem to have spent far too much time on (It probably didn't need to be three posts long). If it wasn't a joke, then it has major issues as a fair comparison.

You should have done what you did for sales for all your categories.

Verdict: W8-N-C

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#76 DrinkDuff
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[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]says the sheep :o
JPOBS

Whenever sheep bring up sales lemmings and cows always say sales don't matter. I guess I was wrong though. :?

Sales own.

I like playing sales. It's a AAA experience for me.
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#77 Dreams-Visions
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I disagree.

That is all.

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#78 latinrage69
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ok Tsug, i've got a few bones to pick with you:

single player:

how can you say that SSBB has a better single player mode/campaign than halo? it's a fighting game! you can finish it in 30 minutes! it doesn't contain a story!

verdict:

HALO

Gameplay:

punch and kick vs. run-gun-blow sh-- - up.

due to halo actual having a story line, the verdict goes to HALO.

Protagonist:

a genetically engineered super soldier called Master Chief vs an over-weight midget plumber. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the marine that's this one easily.

Verdict:

All hail the Cheif!

Plot:

an epic story about the human struggle for survival against an alien invader and a planet killing disease known as the grave digger vs....since when do fighting games have plots? it's just button mash (or in the wii's case, through your arms around like an idiot) for half-an-hour.

Verdict:

Halo

Level design:

being able to travel from world to world with beautiful scenery (except the "cortana" level. that level pissed me off.) vs. a closed box area in 2d.

Verdict:

Halo

Waffles!?! how can you say waffles!?! french toast is so much better!!!:evil:

Co-Op:

online monkey sh-- fights for all (except the wii)!!!

Verdict:

Halo

Fun:

Verdict:

Tie. if you're not having fun playing the game, then why are you still playing it?

halo also has the silver skulls. one of which is, if you shoot a grunt in the head, confetti flies out and you hear children cheering "yay!". now that is fun.

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#79 blazinindyanboy
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HALO is so musch better in my opiniion.
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#80 latinrage69
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]says the sheep :o
DrinkDuff

Whenever sheep bring up sales lemmings and cows always say sales don't matter. I guess I was wrong though. :?

Sales own.

I like playing sales. It's a AAA experience for me.

it's better than playing the waiting game!!! *gives two thumbs up and a kool-aid smile*

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You may already be aware of this, but this comparison is horribly, horribly flawed.

SSBB basically wins in multiplayer because you count each additional stage, character, and item as a separate victory on your chart. But why? Does a new Brawl stage contribute as much to the total fun as a new Halo stage? Do you want Halo to have a ton of different characters? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The other flaw is that you're comparing a game that is out to a game that isn't out. A lot of your statements (especially about SP) are essentially "I don't know what Brawl is like, but Halo's isn't that good, so Brawl is probably better." That's not very fair. You have no idea how the level design or difficulty of Brawl's singleplayer will be. Until you have some idea, it's silly to compare.

Finally, the whole idea of comparing a fighting game to a FPS game (especially going category by category) is pretty ridiculous on its own.

If this whole thing was a joke, it's a joke that you seem to have spent far too much time on (It probably didn't need to be three posts long). If it wasn't a joke, then it has major issues as a fair comparison.

You should have done what you did for sales for all your categories.

Verdict: W8-N-C

sonicmj1

Took the words that I was waaaay too lazy to write.

I think it's the weekly updates that has Sheep to close to the trees to see the forest anymore.

Someone wake me when I can voicechat with online players. Then I'll be truly excited.

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#82 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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You may already be aware of this, but this comparison is horribly, horribly flawed.

SSBB basically wins in multiplayer because you count each additional stage, character, and item as a separate victory on your chart. But why? Does a new Brawl stage contribute as much to the total fun as a new Halo stage? Do you want Halo to have a ton of different characters? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Actually, they were seperated into major categories, minor categories within major categories, and the direct comparisons of similar features. Sounder the multiplay major category, there were the minorcategories of Gametypes,Levels, Characters, Items, Online, Offline, and the Future.It was more distinct, but some things were lost in copying it to a thread.

The other flaw is that you're comparing a game that is out to a game that isn't out. A lot of your statements (especially about SP) are essentially "I don't know what Brawl is like, but Halo's isn't that good, so Brawl is probably better." That's not very fair. You have no idea how the level design or difficulty of Brawl's singleplayer will be. Until you have some idea, it's silly to compare.

We have an idea, through the Smash Bros Dojo. Sakurai has been pretty good about telling us the good and bad about the various new features.Also, it wasn't allin SSBB's favor. I forfeited the online sections to Halo.

Finally, the whole idea of comparing a fighting game to a FPS game (especially going category by category) is pretty ridiculous on its own.

This is SW, and that's what we do. I'm far from the first to do this comparison, I'm just doing it from the perspective of someone who's a veteran of both series.

If this whole thing was a joke, it's a joke that you seem to have spent far too much time on (It probably didn't need to be three posts long). If it wasn't a joke, then it has major issues as a fair comparison.

Middle ground? It's not meant to be taken too seriously, but there is some points that I believe are valid.

You should have done what you did for sales for all your categories.

Verdict: W8-&-C

sonicmj1

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#83 blazinindyanboy
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HALO is so musch better in my opiniion.
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#84 6matt6
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you failed to convince me.
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#85 latinrage69
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HALO is so musch better in my opiniion.blazinindyanboy

yes we heard you the first time. do you want a cookie for waiting so long for a response?

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#86 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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ok Tsug, i've got a few bones to pick with you:

single player:

how can you say that SSBB has a better single player mode/campaign than halo? it's a fighting game! you can finish it in 30 minutes! it doesn't contain a story!

verdict:

HALO

SSBB's single player actually is going to have a story, and it's going to be a full-fledged side-scroller. One of those I'm excited about. :P

Gameplay:

punch and kick vs. run-gun-blow sh-- - up.

due to halo actual having a story line, the verdict goes to HALO.

Story line = gameplay. Do the books equal sales?

Protagonist:

a genetically engineered super soldier called Master Chief vs an over-weight midget plumber. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the marine that's this one easily.

Verdict:

All hail the Cheif!

MC is so lame. The Arbiter could have a chance, though.

Plot:

an epic story about the human struggle for survival against an alien invader and a planet killing disease known as the grave digger vs....since when do fighting games have plots? it's just button mash (or in the wii's case, through your arms around like an idiot) for half-an-hour.

Verdict:

Halo

I did give this one to Halo. Just so we're clear.

Level design:

being able to travel from world to world with beautiful scenery (except the "cortana" level. that level pissed me off.) vs. a closed box area in 2d.

Verdict:

Halo

Cortana is the worst level of anything ever.

Waffles!?! how can you say waffles!?! french toast is so much better!!!:evil:

Blasphemy!

Co-Op:

online monkey sh-- fights for all (except the wii)!!!

Verdict:

Halo

"Don't kill me, you moron! I'm trying to save every sentient being in the galaxy!"

Fun:

Verdict:

Tie. if you're not having fun playing the game, then why are you still playing it?

halo also has the silver skulls. one of which is, if you shoot a grunt in the head, confetti flies out and you hear children cheering "yay!". now that is fun.

I can't get that skull. :cry:

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#87 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

You may already be aware of this, but this comparison is horribly, horribly flawed.

SSBB basically wins in multiplayer because you count each additional stage, character, and item as a separate victory on your chart. But why? Does a new Brawl stage contribute as much to the total fun as a new Halo stage? Do you want Halo to have a ton of different characters? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Actually, they were seperated into major categories, minor categories within major categories, and the direct comparisons of similar features. Sounder the multiplay major category, there were the minorcategories of Gametypes,Levels, Characters, Items, Online, Offline, and the Future.It was more distinct, but some things were lost in copying it to a thread.

The other flaw is that you're comparing a game that is out to a game that isn't out. A lot of your statements (especially about SP) are essentially "I don't know what Brawl is like, but Halo's isn't that good, so Brawl is probably better." That's not very fair. You have no idea how the level design or difficulty of Brawl's singleplayer will be. Until you have some idea, it's silly to compare.

We have an idea, through the Smash Bros Dojo. Sakurai has been pretty good about telling us the good and bad about the various new features.Also, it wasn't allin SSBB's favor. I forfeited the online sections to Halo.

Finally, the whole idea of comparing a fighting game to a FPS game (especially going category by category) is pretty ridiculous on its own.

This is SW, and that's what we do. I'm far from the first to do this comparison, I'm just doing it from the perspective of someone who's a veteran of both series.

If this whole thing was a joke, it's a joke that you seem to have spent far too much time on (It probably didn't need to be three posts long). If it wasn't a joke, then it has major issues as a fair comparison.

Middle ground? It's not meant to be taken too seriously, but there is some points that I believe are valid.

You should have done what you did for sales for all your categories.

Verdict: W8-&-C

Tsug_Ze_Wind

If there are multiple classes of categories, as well as subcategories, then it's kinda confusing. But things have different weight, especially when you try to compare a fighting game to a FPS (which is why you, and everyone else in SW, shouldn't set out to do that). 20 stages in Brawl, for instance, aren't necessarily greater than 9 stages in Halo 3 (or whatever the numbers are).

For instance, a fighting game lives and dies by two things: the fighting engine, and the character balance. If those things are there, then it doesn't matter a lot how many stages there are, it'll still be a strong game. Stage variety helps, naturally, but not in the same way. A FPS, on the other hand, doesn't need a wide variety of characters or anything, but stages factor much more into the end quality of the multiplayer. This is just one example of that dissonance. And, in the end, you're comparing how everything comes together, but they're two different kinds of games, so it's difficult to weigh them objectively, because people like different experiences. No matter how much you break it down, in the end, it still all comes down to opinions when you compare directly across genres, and opinions don't usually make for good comparisons.

The Smash Bros Dojo tells us a lot about what things there are, and how they're meant to work, but it doesn't tell us quality. They can talk about the Adventure mode all they want, but we won't know how it is until we play it from start to finish. We might think that Special Melee means less than Custom Gametypes, but we won't know until we get our hands on with the game and try them all out and see. Brawl may have a better SP, and it may have a better co-op, and it may even have a fantastic story, and be far more fun than Halo 3. It also may have a terrible singleplayer, and even its multiplayer might be unbalanced and frustrating. The point is, even if we attempt to compare across genres, we won't have anywhere to go from until we actually have the final product.

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If there are multiple classes of categories, as well as subcategories, then it's kinda confusing. But things have different weight, especially when you try to compare a fighting game to a FPS (which is why you, and everyone else in SW, shouldn't set out to do that). 20 stages in Brawl, for instance, aren't necessarily greater than 9 stages in Halo 3 (or whatever the numbers are).

For instance, a fighting game lives and dies by two things: the fighting engine, and the character balance. If those things are there, then it doesn't matter a lot how many stages there are, it'll still be a strong game. Stage variety helps, naturally, but not in the same way. A FPS, on the other hand, doesn't need a wide variety of characters or anything, but stages factor much more into the end quality of the multiplayer. This is just one example of that dissonance. And, in the end, you're comparing how everything comes together, but they're two different kinds of games, so it's difficult to weight them objectively, because people like different experiences. No matter how much you break it down, in the end, it still all comes down to opinions when you compare directly across genres, and opinions don't usually make for good comparisons.

The Smash Bros Dojo tells us a lot about what things there are, and how they're meant to work, but it doesn't tell us quality. They can talk about the Adventure mode all they want, but we won't know how it is until we play it from start to finish. We might think that Special Melee means less than Custom Gametypes, but we won't know until we get our hands on with the game and try them all out and see. Brawl may have a better SP, and it may have a better co-op, and it may even have a fantastic story, and be far more fun than Halo 3. It also may have a terrible singleplayer, and even it's multiplayer might be unbalanced and frustrating. The point is, even if we attempt to compare across platforms, we won't have anywhere to go from until we actually have the final product to compare.

sonicmj1

I'd say it all balances out. Halo doesn't need variety in characters, but it would help. SSBB doesn't need items, but it helps to make the game more enjoyable. I can't compare the basic game mechanics, and I'm not trying to. But it's close enough to gameplay, and it's the closest we're going to get on this hotly debatedtopic.

In the end, I wanted to see if what we knew about SSBB so far could stand up to another game I play frequently. I added some controversy and things both sides could relate to, and aimed for an enjoyable read. Admit it, it's better than seeing another sales thread. ;)

Anyway, I have to go eat. I'll check the thread later.

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#89 latinrage69
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[QUOTE="latinrage69"]

ok Tsug, i've got a few bones to pick with you:

single player:

how can you say that SSBB has a better single player mode/campaign than halo? it's a fighting game! you can finish it in 30 minutes! it doesn't contain a story!

verdict:

HALO

SSBB's single player actually is going to have a story, and it's going to be a full-fledged side-scroller. One of those I'm excited about. :P

i haven't played a side-scroller in years. isn't paper mario a side-scroller?

Gameplay:

punch and kick vs. run-gun-blow sh-- - up.

due to halo actual having a story line, the verdict goes to HALO.

Story line = gameplay. Do the books equal sales?

buh..buh...teh halo movie is in the wurx!:cry:

Protagonist:

a genetically engineered super soldier called Master Chief vs an over-weight midget plumber. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the marine that's this one easily.

Verdict:

All hail the Cheif!

MC is so lame. The Arbiter could have a chance, though.

the game takes place in 2553 and is a sci-fi game. the chief is perfect for the part. though a fembot would've hilarious.

Plot:

an epic story about the human struggle for survival against an alien invader and a planet killing disease known as the grave digger vs....since when do fighting games have plots? it's just button mash (or in the wii's case, through your arms around like an idiot) for half-an-hour.

Verdict:

Halo

I did give this one to Halo. Just so we're clear.

yea i know. i read your post.

Level design:

being able to travel from world to world with beautiful scenery (except the "cortana" level. that level pissed me off.) vs. a closed box area in 2d.

Verdict:

Halo

Cortana is the worst level of anything ever.

agreed. dammit prey! why did you inspire bungie! :evil:

Waffles!?! how can you say waffles!?! french toast is so much better!!!:evil:

Blasphemy!

*gasp* SARACEN!!

Co-Op:

online monkey sh-- fights for all (except the wii)!!!

Verdict:

Halo

"Don't kill me, you moron! I'm trying to save every sentient being in the galaxy!"

"but that'll destroy the ring! i'm afraid i can't let you do that!"

Fun:

Verdict:

Tie. if you're not having fun playing the game, then why are you still playing it?

halo also has the silver skulls. one of which is, if you shoot a grunt in the head, confetti flies out and you hear children cheering "yay!". now that is fun.

I can't get that skull. :cry:

just watch this vid. link

Tsug_Ze_Wind

just to be clear, you're comments are i red, my new comments are in blue.

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#90 sonicmj1
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I'd say it all balances out. Halo doesn't need variety in characters, but it would help. SSBB doesn't need items, but it helps to make the game more enjoyable. I can't compare the basic game mechanics, and I'm not trying to. But it's close enough to gameplay, and it's the closest we're going to get on this hotly debatedtopic.

In the end, I wanted to see if what we knew about SSBB so far could stand up to another game I play frequently. I added some controversy and things both sides could relate to, and aimed for an enjoyable read. Admit it, it's better than seeing another sales thread. ;)

Anyway, I have to go eat. I'll check the thread later.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

It's the best comparison you can really make at this point, I guess, but it's still a faulty comparison.

Still, it isn't another sales thread, and it isn't one of those 'advertisement' threads that sheep seem to enjoy making so much.

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#91 Pro_wrestler
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Nice thread although I feel that Halos SP is alot better judging from past games and Halo 3. The multiplayer is a toss-up also judging from past games. SmashBro. is great.
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#92 AndYOU
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That was alright. You were sorta biased, but at least you weren't fanboy biased

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#93 Chargeagles1
Member since 2006 • 1711 Posts

This was in-depth and hilarious. It was also convincing.Willy105

I agree.

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#94 hamstergeddon
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am i the only one who finds this silly? ur comparing a FPS to a fighting game and on top of all....you are comparing halo 3 to a game that isnt even out :?Dante2710


no ur not. :| Your the tenth one to have said this.




And to teh TC, I definitely think you were slanted in SSBB's direction, but good poat overall
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#95 Blackification
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Very good thread. Hope everyone realizes that in the end this thread proves one and only one thing. It's a matter of opinion. Pick what you like, play it, love it, and stop complaining.

Oh and btw I agree with you opinion :). This thread needs more squirtle though.

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#96 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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i haven't played a side-scroller in years. isn't paper mario a side-scroller?

Super Paper Mario? Not really.

buh..buh...teh halo movie is in the wurx!:cry:

Peter Jackson will kill us all.

the game takes place in 2553 and is a sci-fi game. the chief is perfect for the part. though a fembot would've hilarious.

The Arbiter works fine. Really, the only reason he isn't the main character is because people *****ed about him in 2.

Who's that Spartan in DOA4? Give her the part. Halo vs. Metroid would be more interesting. :lol:

yea i know. i read your post.

No you didn't. This is SW, you're not allowed to comprehend a post that long. :P

Cortana is the worst level of anything ever.

agreed. dammit prey! why did you inspire bungie! :evil:

I still think they wanted to top the Library. They did.

*gasp* SARACEN!!

*gasp* ....Waffles!

"but that'll destroy the ring! i'm afraid i can't let you do that!"

"OMG noob! Nooooooo!"

just watch this vid.

I can't even do that, I'm on a really old laptop. :cry:

just to be clear, you're comments are i red, my new comments are in blue.

Not anymore. :twisted:

latinrage69

It's the best comparison you can really make at this point, I guess, but it's still a faulty comparison.

Still, it isn't another sales thread, and it isn't one of those 'advertisement' threads that sheep seem to enjoy making so much.

sonicmj1

What can I say? Us sheep like to be professional. 8) :P


And to teh TC, I definitely think you were slanted in SSBB's directionhamstergeddon

What tipped you off, the blatant admission of bias at the end? :P

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#97 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Very good thread. Hope everyone realizes that in the end this thread proves one and only one thing. It's a matter of opinion. Pick what you like, play it, love it, and stop complaining.

Oh and btw I agree with you opinion :). This thread needs more squirtle though.

Blackification

We did have a lackage of Squirtleage. Much thankage.

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#98 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Blackification"]

Very good thread. Hope everyone realizes that in the end this thread proves one and only one thing. It's a matter of opinion. Pick what you like, play it, love it, and stop complaining.

Oh and btw I agree with you opinion :). This thread needs more squirtle though.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

We did have a lackage of Squirtleage. Much thankage.

screw squirtle.

dis thread needs moar mudkips!

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#99 thriteenthmonke
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You people saying "nice thread" just ruined his thread by posting when he said don't.Gimli524

So did you.

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#100 Renegade_Fury
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Pointless comparison. It's like comparing Street Fighter to Crysis.