SSBB will not use the Wiimote?!

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

UKNintendoFreak

Only a few buttons, yes. But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well. You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well. The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic. In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

[QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

-The-G-Man-

Only a few buttons, yes.  But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well.  You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well.  The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic.  In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

[QUOTE="UKNintendoFreak"]

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for shield. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

-The-G-Man-

Using a combination of the D-pad in buttons would be more difficult and not feel as good as an analog stick, in my opinion.

hoooooray for nintendo! the company who knows more than anyone about the gaming business!! :roll: :roll:

Gears360

The way they're selling, I guess so.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

UKNintendoFreak

Only a few buttons, yes. But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well. You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well. The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic. In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

Truthfully? Crap. That setup will completely ruin any attempt at cancelling, wavedashing, SHFFLing, directional influence, etc. It'll just be too clunky, cumbersome and drag down the experience.

Much like the DS touch screen/stylus control, the wiimote will prove to be more limiting then anything else.

You either innovate across the board or its not innovation at all.  Not using the wiimote is like admitting that the wiimote is limited to casual crap and is not suitable for real games.

[QUOTE="UKNintendoFreak"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

rykaziel

Only a few buttons, yes. But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well. You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well. The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic. In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

thats weird.  boxing and golf work fine for me.   boxing is actually my favourite, though they arent perfect, theyre more than functional._vacant_

They're certainly functional, they're just not as good as bowling, tennis, or baseball.  With boxing it was hard to be accurate and flailing your arms would sometimes get you the win.  Also, no sense of physical contact.  With golf it was difficult to accurately gauge your swing; having the standard power bar and after setting the power swinging the Wii remote would have worked much, much, much better.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="UKNintendoFreak"]

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for shield. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

UKNintendoFreak

Using a combination of the D-pad in buttons would be more difficult and not feel as good as an analog stick, in my opinion.

Which is probably why they'll use the classic or GC controller; either of those would work much better.

[QUOTE="UKNintendoFreak"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

Redmoonxl2

Only a few buttons, yes. But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well. You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well. The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic. In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

Truthfully? Crap. That setup will completely ruin any attempt at cancelling, wavedashing, SHFFLing, directional influence, etc. It'll just be too clunky, cumbersome and drag down the experience.

 It is pretty crap yeah, but I thought about that in two minutes...........:P

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

UKNintendoFreak

Only a few buttons, yes.  But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well.  You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well.  The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic.  In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

Much like the DS touch screen/stylus control, the wiimote will prove to be more limiting then anything else.

You either innovate across the board or its not innovation at all.  Not using the wiimote is like admitting that the wiimote is limited to casual crap and is not suitable for real games.

Bread_or_Decide

You don't use the Wiimote to reach up or down, you use the Nunchuck for most things, and use the wiimote movement in place of the c-stick AvinashTyagi

Ah, correct.  I was assuming that the D-pad would be used.  I still say that the setup would feel awkward, however.

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"] You don't use the Wiimote to reach up or down, you use the Nunchuck for most things, and use the wiimote movement in place of the c-stick -The-G-Man-

Ah, correct.  I was assuming that the D-pad would be used.  I still say that the setup would feel awkward, however.

When trying to do precise actions, the controls were unresponsive, such as when putting in the golf game.SolidSnake35

Ah, I see. Yeah, putting is a git in Wii Sports. Anyone know if it's any better in Tiger Woods?

As for boxing, I think part of that is people are moving far too quickly. It's probably a workaround solution to Flailing Arms Syndrome

[QUOTE="UKNintendoFreak"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CelineDion"]

I guarantee you that Nintendo isn't going to make you buy a classic controller to play SSBB, either.

You're going to hold the Wii-mote sideways. And the SSB series has only ever used a couple of buttons.

laughingman42

Only a few buttons, yes.  But the reason you had more than a few attacks was because which way you moved the analog stick affected your attack was well.  You're not going to be able to use the nunchuk with the Wii remote sideways.

Then use the nunchuck and don't hold the Wii-mote sideways.

That could prove problematic as well.  The Smash Bros. series is fast and frantic.  In the heat of the battle, having to reach up and down the Wii remote wouldn't work so well, I don't think.

Here's my idea on how Smash should work: hold the Wiimote sideways. Use D-Pad for movement. Pressing 2 to do special attacks, 1 for normal attacks, A for shield and B for that weird amulet attack in the video shown. A motion in a direction while pressing 2 will do different special attacks. Shaking the controller can do smash moves and the - button can do taunts. Opinions?

Much like the DS touch screen/stylus control, the wiimote will prove to be more limiting then anything else.

You either innovate across the board or its not innovation at all.  Not using the wiimote is like admitting that the wiimote is limited to casual crap and is not suitable for real games.

Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"] You don't use the Wiimote to reach up or down, you use the Nunchuck for most things, and use the wiimote movement in place of the c-stick AvinashTyagi

Ah, correct.  I was assuming that the D-pad would be used.  I still say that the setup would feel awkward, however.

I'm just saying it would probably take some getting used to.  It could work, but I have a feeling I would like the normal controller more.

do all ps3 games use teh 6axizz? /threadchrisdojo

They may not use motion sensing.They will use the Wii-mote,just not motion sensing.Smash Bros. is very fast paced,and they believe that it could get in the way while fighting.Most likely,they will use the nunchuck,or give the option of using the GC controller (which is confirmed),or the Classic Controller.

EDIT: But they might implement some motion sensing.You never know.We hardly know anything....

The way I see it...

Z2 = Shield

Z1 = Jump

A = Attack

B = Special Attack

Z2 + A = Grab

Quick up/down motion on the Wiimote = Jump 

That's the best setup I can think off even though it sacs the grab button. Then again, most people shield grab anyways.

I really don't think there is a good setup.  Using motions for anything is far too imprecise in timing for a fighting game, not due to weakness of the controller but just because of how vauge the gestures have to be to be "read", leading to mistakes.  And for a button only configuration you have to use all the buttons, which is very awkward and without a C-stick equivalent, you can't use aerials without DIing, which would kill a lot of the air game.  I would stick with the normal controls.

For me... Wiimote (one-handed): Wiimote up/down: Jump/Lower platform Wiimote left/right. A: Attack B: Special Attack D-pad up: Grab D-pad down: Shield I had to make sure that it would work since the D-pad is some distance from the A and B trigger. It seems good but there's always the complaint of wave-dashing since a jump button would be required. ...Just a thought.Teh_Stevz

Not only that but you've pretty much killed up/down attacks with that set up. As such, a setup would kill most characters that need that up/down attack setup. Fast Falling won't be possible anymore. As you said, wavedashing would be ruined. Forget about cancelling since shielding in the air will cause dodge. Imagine setting up for a combo, dodging and falling to your death. In order for that setup to work, you need to simplify and slow the game down drastically.

The nunchuk setup is the only viable way to play Smash without sacrificing more than what is needed.

I really don't think there is a good setup.  Using motions for anything is far too imprecise in timing for a fighting game, not due to weakness of the controller but just because of how vauge the gestures have to be to be "read", leading to mistakes.  And for a button only configuration you have to use all the buttons, which is very awkward and without a C-stick equivalent, you can't use aerials without DIing, which would kill a lot of the air game.  I would stick with the normal controls.

 

ZinkOxide

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]For me... Wiimote (one-handed): Wiimote up/down: Jump/Lower platform Wiimote left/right. A: Attack B: Special Attack D-pad up: Grab D-pad down: Shield I had to make sure that it would work since the D-pad is some distance from the A and B trigger. It seems good but there's always the complaint of wave-dashing since a jump button would be required. ...Just a thought.Redmoonxl2

Not only that but you've pretty much killed up/down attacks with that set up. As such, a setup would kill most characters that need that up/down attack setup. Fast Falling won't be possible anymore. As you said, wavedashing would be ruined. Forget about cancelling since shielding in the air will cause dodge. Imagine setting up for a combo, dodging and falling to your death. In order for that setup to work, you need to simplify and slow the game down drastically.

The nunchuk setup is the only viable way to play Smash without sacrificing more than what is needed.

[QUOTE="JayPee89"]The Wiimote is only for BS games. Anything that requires actual skill needs an actual controller.Tylendal

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]For me... Wiimote (one-handed): Wiimote up/down: Jump/Lower platform Wiimote left/right. A: Attack B: Special Attack D-pad up: Grab D-pad down: Shield I had to make sure that it would work since the D-pad is some distance from the A and B trigger. It seems good but there's always the complaint of wave-dashing since a jump button would be required. ...Just a thought.Teh_Stevz

Not only that but you've pretty much killed up/down attacks with that set up. As such, a setup would kill most characters that need that up/down attack setup. Fast Falling won't be possible anymore. As you said, wavedashing would be ruined. Forget about cancelling since shielding in the air will cause dodge. Imagine setting up for a combo, dodging and falling to your death. In order for that setup to work, you need to simplify and slow the game down drastically.

The nunchuk setup is the only viable way to play Smash without sacrificing more than what is needed.

You have down for shielding. Shielding while in the air cases air dodge, killing fast falling. Also, fast falling is needed for SHFFLing, which is the backbone of the combo system in Smash. Eliminate that and you basically have a different game. Also, killing wavedashing kills an extra layer of mindgames that can be used in Brawl.

Sorry but I wont buy new controllers just for one game. The Wiimote will be an option and Im sure of it.

Sorry but I wont buy new controllers just for one game. The Wiimote will be an option and Im sure of it.

Hir0_N

Don't expect to be much of an opponent using the Wiimote if Brawl is anything like Melee. As I stated in your other thread, Nintendo will have the classic controller packed in with Brawl for sure.

I don't thinks so. I've been playing TW PGA 07 and I can tell you playing in standard control mode takes skill and proper coordination, just like real golf does. I hope they can figure out ways to implement wii-mote motion controls, but I've only heard mostly about how they are using the old GC contoller. That would be problematic however since most new wii owners might never have owned a GC, and if anyone has noticed, Game Cube related accesories are fading fast in retail stores.Darthmatt

On the other hand, most Smash Bros. fans have GCN controllers out the wazoo.  And what I've noticed is that stores in my area are now stocking more GCN accessories than they were last year.

Then what's the point of the damn thing?  Honestly, all you hear about is how the Wiimote gives you greater control over your game and is more immersive, and then I found out that one of the Wii's flagship titles will not support it?  The other day I was thinking about how hard and awkward it would be trying to short hop, wavedash, and cancel with a wiimote, so I read up on the game, and I was suprised to learn that I'll need to dig out my GC controller to even play the game. 

 

So I ask you, Nintendo fans/supporters, how does this choice not condemn the wiimote?  SSBB using an old controller just tells me that the wiimote is not suited to games that require pinpoint timing and accuracy, which is extremely dissapointing, because here I thought I was told the wiimote would be the best thing since sliced bread.  SSBB using a "last-gen" controller just seems to me like all the wiimote is good for is slow paced leisure games and mini-game collections. 

rykaziel

The DS does not NEED to use both of its screens in every game.  The DS does not NEED to use Touch-screen functionality in every game.  Mario Kart made excellent use of 2 screens, but left out the touch-screen feature, because it would have been impractical.  MPH made pretty poor use of two screens, but it made excellent use of the touch screen.  FF3 didn't make good use of the touch-screen or the dual-screen.  It's about options, not necessity.  The same is true for the Wii.  The option is there for devs to do something new, but they aren't required to do so.  It's much better that way for both devs and consumers.  That's why Nintendo has a winner with the Wii.

You have down for shielding. Shielding while in the air cases air dodge, killing fast falling. Also, fast falling is needed for SHFFLing, which is the backbone of the combo system in Smash. Eliminate that and you basically have a different game. Also, killing wavedashing kills an extra layer of mindgames that can be used in Brawl.Redmoonxl2

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]You have down for shielding. Shielding while in the air cases air dodge, killing fast falling. Also, fast falling is needed for SHFFLing, which is the backbone of the combo system in Smash. Eliminate that and you basically have a different game. Also, killing wavedashing kills an extra layer of mindgames that can be used in Brawl.Teh_Stevz

It still wouldn't work since gesturing the wrong way will screw you up. If there is a delay that allows you to adjust, you're still slowing the game down. 

Don't expect the game to use the Wiimote alone, anyways. As I stated before, if Nintendo wants to keep the complexity of the game, they'll be packing in a classic controller with the game. If you want to Brawl to be equal to Melee, gimmicky movements are not going to cut it. Fighting games like Budokai 2 are better suited on the Wii, not games like Smash or even Street Fighter. 

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="rykaziel"]

Then what's the point of the damn thing?  Honestly, all you hear about is how the Wiimote gives you greater control over your game and is more immersive, and then I found out that one of the Wii's flagship titles will not support it?  The other day I was thinking about how hard and awkward it would be trying to short hop, wavedash, and cancel with a wiimote, so I read up on the game, and I was suprised to learn that I'll need to dig out my GC controller to even play the game. 

 

So I ask you, Nintendo fans/supporters, how does this choice not condemn the wiimote?  SSBB using an old controller just tells me that the wiimote is not suited to games that require pinpoint timing and accuracy, which is extremely dissapointing, because here I thought I was told the wiimote would be the best thing since sliced bread.  SSBB using a "last-gen" controller just seems to me like all the wiimote is good for is slow paced leisure games and mini-game collections. 

Wintry_Flutist

Because the dev thought we would have to move like the characters.

Then what's the point of the damn thing?  Honestly, all you hear about is how the Wiimote gives you greater control over your game and is more immersive, and then I found out that one of the Wii's flagship titles will not support it?  The other day I was thinking about how hard and awkward it would be trying to short hop, wavedash, and cancel with a wiimote, so I read up on the game, and I was suprised to learn that I'll need to dig out my GC controller to even play the game. 

 

So I ask you, Nintendo fans/supporters, how does this choice not condemn the wiimote?  SSBB using an old controller just tells me that the wiimote is not suited to games that require pinpoint timing and accuracy, which is extremely dissapointing, because here I thought I was told the wiimote would be the best thing since sliced bread.  SSBB using a "last-gen" controller just seems to me like all the wiimote is good for is slow paced leisure games and mini-game collections. 

rykaziel

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="rykaziel"]

Then what's the point of the damn thing?  Honestly, all you hear about is how the Wiimote gives you greater control over your game and is more immersive, and then I found out that one of the Wii's flagship titles will not support it?  The other day I was thinking about how hard and awkward it would be trying to short hop, wavedash, and cancel with a wiimote, so I read up on the game, and I was suprised to learn that I'll need to dig out my GC controller to even play the game. 

 

So I ask you, Nintendo fans/supporters, how does this choice not condemn the wiimote?  SSBB using an old controller just tells me that the wiimote is not suited to games that require pinpoint timing and accuracy, which is extremely dissapointing, because here I thought I was told the wiimote would be the best thing since sliced bread.  SSBB using a "last-gen" controller just seems to me like all the wiimote is good for is slow paced leisure games and mini-game collections. 

Shinobishyguy

Because the dev thought we would have to move like the characters.

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]

Then what's the point of the damn thing? Honestly, all you hear about is how the Wiimote gives you greater control over your game and is more immersive, and then I found out that one of the Wii's flagship titles will not support it? The other day I was thinking about how hard and awkward it would be trying to short hop, wavedash, and cancel with a wiimote, so I read up on the game, and I was suprised to learn that I'll need to dig out my GC controller to even play the game.

 

So I ask you, Nintendo fans/supporters, how does this choice not condemn the wiimote? SSBB using an old controller just tells me that the wiimote is not suited to games that require pinpoint timing and accuracy, which is extremely dissapointing, because here I thought I was told the wiimote would be the best thing since sliced bread. SSBB using a "last-gen" controller just seems to me like all the wiimote is good for is slow paced leisure games and mini-game collections.

i_like_pizza

The DS does not NEED to use both of its screens in every game. The DS does not NEED to use Touch-screen functionality in every game. Mario Kart made excellent use of 2 screens, but left out the touch-screen feature, because it would have been impractical. MPH made pretty poor use of two screens, but it made excellent use of the touch screen. FF3 didn't make good use of the touch-screen or the dual-screen. It's about options, not necessity. The same is true for the Wii. The option is there for devs to do something new, but they aren't required to do so. It's much better that way for both devs and consumers. That's why Nintendo has a winner with the Wii.

I hope the Wiimote is the only option. There are enough buttons to play the game just fine.

If they have the option of the VC/GC controller, they eliminate the possibility of having special items that use motion.