St. John: Game Consoles Will Be Dead By 2020

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="ice144"]

That makes more sense. By "running out of ideas" you had given me the idea that at some point all innovations in console gaming will just stop.

If the console industry is anything like the markets that you listed, there will always be improvements in technology though, even if a "big" one doesnt happen every 5 years.

0rbs

There will always be new ideas. Is there any medium that ran out of ideas? Seriously. If there is any medium that allows for total creativity, gaming is one

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

It's because gamers are looking around desperately for something new. "Traditional" gamepad gaming has grown stale. Gamers want something more immersive, and peripherals, as overpriced as they are, allow gamers to get more completely into the game by having them actually perform the actions they want their avatar to do. That's also why the Wii is so successful. Even if it's not nearly as good as a specialized peripheral, it's still the closest that any console manufacturer has come to making a "generalized" peripheral.

either that or the market is expanding beyond it's traditional roots, which indicates GROWTH.

"Looking for something new" = "expanding beyond traditional roots"

You just repeated what I said.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="ice144"]

That makes more sense. By "running out of ideas" you had given me the idea that at some point all innovations in console gaming will just stop.

If the console industry is anything like the markets that you listed, there will always be improvements in technology though, even if a "big" one doesnt happen every 5 years.

mjarantilla

There will always be new ideas. Is there any medium that ran out of ideas? Seriously. If there is any medium that allows for total creativity, gaming is one

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

It's because gamers are looking around desperately for something new. "Traditional" gamepad gaming has grown stale. Gamers want something more immersive, and peripherals, as overpriced as they are, allow gamers to get more completely into the game by having them actually perform the actions they want their avatar to do. That's also why the Wii is so successful. Even if it's not nearly as good as a specialized peripheral, it's still the closest that any console manufacturer has come to making a "generalized" peripheral.

[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="ice144"]

That makes more sense. By "running out of ideas" you had given me the idea that at some point all innovations in console gaming will just stop.

If the console industry is anything like the markets that you listed, there will always be improvements in technology though, even if a "big" one doesnt happen every 5 years.

mjarantilla

There will always be new ideas. Is there any medium that ran out of ideas? Seriously. If there is any medium that allows for total creativity, gaming is one

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

It's because gamers are looking around desperately for something new. "Traditional" gamepad gaming has grown stale. Gamers want something more immersive, and peripherals, as overpriced as they are, allow gamers to get more completely into the game by having them actually perform the actions they want their avatar to do. That's also why the Wii is so successful. Even if it's not nearly as good as a specialized peripheral, it's still the closest that any console manufacturer has come to making a "generalized" peripheral.

either that or the market is expanding beyond it's traditional roots, which indicates GROWTH.

"Looking for something new" = "expanding beyond traditional roots"

You just repeated what I said.

I was getting the idea you were saying they're running out of ideas, so it's desperation they are venturing elsewhere, what i was getting at, it's not desperations, just expansion

[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Let me put it this way: if you want garbage, you can buy garbage and giggle your way to the bank. When you buy a Wii you're buying old technology that's been basically reissued so that it's cheaper to manufacture.

BobHipJames

The Wii Remote is OLD technology? And the last console it was on was...

Oh, please. The Wii does not have a DVD player, it does not have a music player (does it?), it doesn't have a hard drive, it's running on old video components....

A Wii remote costs $40 and a Wii nun-chuck costs $20. That's literally all you're getting that's "new." That's if you call "new" technology wireless technology with motion sensing. And those are retail prices. I have no doubt Nintendo is making a profit at the $60 mark for a Wii controller.

You're not even getting close to what you pay for, beyond the novelty and the platform itself and what its capable of. From a price-performance ratio and from a cost-effectiveness ratio, in comparison to the competition, the Wii is completely and utterly embarrassing.

And whether or not the Wii remote is new....listen, you could package the stupid thing as a PC component and have the exact same enterprise.

Why do you like PCs so much dude? I hate computer games. Sitting in front of my small computer screen pressing buttons. I'd rather play a game on a big screen TV at least 10 feet away from the screen. All I want to use a computer for is work, checking e-mail, internet and storing my photos, videos, files and music. That's the way I like it. No doubt it won't be like this forever but when that day comes then I'll change.

[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Let me put it this way: if you want garbage, you can buy garbage and giggle your way to the bank. When you buy a Wii you're buying old technology that's been basically reissued so that it's cheaper to manufacture.

BobHipJames

The Wii Remote is OLD technology? And the last console it was on was...

Oh, please. The Wii does not have a DVD player, it does not have a music player (does it?), it doesn't have a hard drive, it's running on old video components....

A Wii remote costs $40 and a Wii nun-chuck costs $20. That's literally all you're getting that's "new." That's if you call "new" technology wireless technology with motion sensing. And those are retail prices. I have no doubt Nintendo is making a profit at the $60 mark for a Wii controller.

You're not even getting close to what you pay for, beyond the novelty and the platform itself and what its capable of. From a price-performance ratio and from a cost-effectiveness ratio, in comparison to the competition, the Wii is completely and utterly embarrassing.

And whether or not the Wii remote is new....listen, you could package the stupid thing as a PC component and have the exact same enterprise.

You should take a business class and marketing class, because with all due respect you know nothing about neither and it embarrassingly shows.

Wii doesn't NEED a dvd player. People don't buy it for that. You want to add stuff you don't NEED for the sake of adding something new. Its not what you do but HOW you do it. I'm pretty sure Nintendo did some market research and realized thats not what it needs to be about.

You're the type of consumer that buys a iphone or PSP because "it plays music, videos, internent browsing,.." blah blah blah. Everything BUT the main reason you are buying it in the first place: games! Thats why DS sells. Its focused on games and plays them well. People dont care about extras or the 'latest'.

Nintendo can make all the profit they want. These people are running business's: not crusades. Its about supply and demand. Isn't that basic economics? People demand it and nintendo is supplying it.

You want 'the most for your money'. If you were in it for a console, you would choose a PS3 over a 360 because of the 'The Cell'and how future proof it is. Meanwhile, 360 owners are loving so many more games, they couldn't care.

You could package that 'stupid thing' as a PC component and not have the success of the wii.

Consoles supply a different need in the family household than PC's. PC's are used for so many other things and its simply not a thing the family gathers around to play. Not like consoles.

People like them seperate for many things.

1) they dont want their kid playing games on it messing up the PC

2) they are doing work on the PC or other stuff non game related. They can seperate teh game playing to the console

3) With a console, you dont have to worry about the latest updates, drivers, memory, storage, etc.

People pay for convience. Its not always 'the most for your money'.

Nintendo realized all this and has been making a ton of money at it. They know what to do with the technology. If you were in charge with your logic, you'd run Nintendo into the ground

Why do you like PCs so much dude? I hate computer games. Sitting in front of my small computer screen pressing buttons. I'd rather play a game on a big screen TV at least 10 feet away from the screen. All I want to use a computer for is work, checking e-mail, internet and storing my photos, videos, files and music. That's the way I like it. No doubt it won't be like this forever but when that day comes then I'll change.

livinitup01

Amen to that. Naysayers just don't get it. All they see is "I can play games on a computer. I can play games on a console. Why do I need a console?"

Thats how their narrow vision goes. It's very limited thinking and they simply can't see the larger picture.

3) With a console, you dont have to worry about the latest updates, drivers, memory, storage, etc.

flazzle

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

3) With a console, you dont have to worry about the latest updates, drivers, memory, storage, etc.

heretrix

Well, its not so extreme but yes, you have a point. But i dont have to delete MS Office or other business utilities to play Gears of War on my 360, because I wont have any business apps on there. I guess there will always be updates.

But hey, while we are predicting, I predict in the future there will be ONE device anyone needs. It will be the size of a ipod. You can hook it up to your tv and monitor. It will have its own screen for smaller game playing and viewing. It will have tiny massive harddrives. Probably SSD. You can make phone calls, browse, hook up keyboards, etc. It will eliminate all computer makers, ipod makers, console makers, cell phone makers, hand held consoles.

It will do everything all computer and media devices do today. Thus, it will eliminate everything but itself.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

3) With a console, you dont have to worry about the latest updates, drivers, memory, storage, etc.

flazzle

Well, its not so extreme but yes, you have a point. But i dont have to delete MS Office or other business utilities to play Gears of War on my 360, because I wont have any business apps on there. I guess there will always be updates.

[QUOTE="livinitup01"]That seems pretty scary to think about. No more Mario saving Peach? A world without Mario is in dark turmoil. I hope the world will end by then.BobHipJames

The point is you'll be playing your console games on your PC. It's like Sega. No more Sega consoles, but Sega software still exists? Where? On other consoles. Well, the idea is when the consoles die the developers move on up to the PC platform, where I FRIGGIN' WANT THEM.

Dude I don't think that will ever be the case unless they can find some way to deal with pirates. PC developers are actually moving to consoles not the other way around.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="ice144"]

That makes more sense. By "running out of ideas" you had given me the idea that at some point all innovations in console gaming will just stop.

If the console industry is anything like the markets that you listed, there will always be improvements in technology though, even if a "big" one doesnt happen every 5 years.

HuusAsking

There will always be new ideas. Is there any medium that ran out of ideas? Seriously. If there is any medium that allows for total creativity, gaming is one

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

It's because gamers are looking around desperately for something new. "Traditional" gamepad gaming has grown stale. Gamers want something more immersive, and peripherals, as overpriced as they are, allow gamers to get more completely into the game by having them actually perform the actions they want their avatar to do. That's also why the Wii is so successful. Even if it's not nearly as good as a specialized peripheral, it's still the closest that any console manufacturer has come to making a "generalized" peripheral.

No, HARDCORE GAMERS think it's gimmicky.

And the reason gamepads won out over joysticks was ergonomics. Hard to make a joystick as portable as a gamepad and still have it be stable enough to play with. Oh, unless they use thumbsticks. Wait, aren't those the standard now?

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Let me put it this way: if you want garbage, you can buy garbage and giggle your way to the bank. When you buy a Wii you're buying old technology that's been basically reissued so that it's cheaper to manufacture.

livinitup01

The Wii Remote is OLD technology? And the last console it was on was...

Oh, please. The Wii does not have a DVD player, it does not have a music player (does it?), it doesn't have a hard drive, it's running on old video components....

A Wii remote costs $40 and a Wii nun-chuck costs $20. That's literally all you're getting that's "new." That's if you call "new" technology wireless technology with motion sensing. And those are retail prices. I have no doubt Nintendo is making a profit at the $60 mark for a Wii controller.

You're not even getting close to what you pay for, beyond the novelty and the platform itself and what its capable of. From a price-performance ratio and from a cost-effectiveness ratio, in comparison to the competition, the Wii is completely and utterly embarrassing.

And whether or not the Wii remote is new....listen, you could package the stupid thing as a PC component and have the exact same enterprise.

Why do you like PCs so much dude? I hate computer games. Sitting in front of my small computer screen pressing buttons. I'd rather play a game on a big screen TV at least 10 feet away from the screen. All I want to use a computer for is work, checking e-mail, internet and storing my photos, videos, files and music. That's the way I like it. No doubt it won't be like this forever but when that day comes then I'll change.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

I for one don't agree with him but I think it's an interesting read anyway. What do you think?

HuusAsking

I don't understand what your asking me :lol: I have no idea why they are so popular in Japan. It's problaby the same reason Wii is so popular over there.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

I for one don't agree with him but I think it's an interesting read anyway. What do you think?

-Renegade

I don't understand what your asking me :lol: I have no idea why they are so popular in Japan. It's problaby the same reason Wii is so popular over there.

Yeah arcades are super fun aren't they.

Just look at what 20 gig HD owners of the PS3 and the 360 are going through right now. With mandatory installs on the PS3 and game disk installs on the 360, upgrading a hard drive is definitely gouing to be an issue for some.

heretrix

Well, thats the choice of the developer and its only mandatory because that is how they designed it. PS2 got by quite fine without filling up a HD. But my point is uninstalling stuff on my 360/ps3 is different than looking for room on my PC. MY pc could be filled with home movies, stuff for work, my kids project, etc. On a console, Im sure i can delete all the crap my games put on there an redownload them or reinstall them at any time not interrupting real life work. Otherwords, its nice to have all my gaming in one place, at a place where the family often gathers around. My PC, though it can play games, is also used for work and other non game stuff.

No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.muscleserge

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

BobHipJames

Why are these peripherals 'junk'? I find quite a few of the ones you mentioned quite fun. And whats wrong with a rail shooter? They are awsome if done right.

Are any peripherals not considered junk by you? Or is every single one junk?

You should take a business class and marketing class, because with all due respect you know nothing about neither and it embarrassingly shows.

Wii doesn't NEED a dvd player. People don't buy it for that. You want to add stuff you don't NEED for the sake of adding something new. Its not what you do but HOW you do it. I'm pretty sure Nintendo did some market research and realized thats not what it needs to be about.

You're the type of consumer that buys a iphone or PSP because "it plays music, videos, internent browsing,.." blah blah blah. Everything BUT the main reason you are buying it in the first place: games! Thats why DS sells. Its focused on games and plays them well. People dont care about extras or the 'latest'.

Nintendo can make all the profit they want. These people are running business's: not crusades. Its about supply and demand. Isn't that basic economics? People demand it and nintendo is supplying it.

You want 'the most for your money'. If you were in it for a console, you would choose a PS3 over a 360 because of the 'The Cell'and how future proof it is. Meanwhile, 360 owners are loving so many more games, they couldn't care.

You could package that 'stupid thing' as a PC component and not have the success of the wii.

Consoles supply a different need in the family household than PC's. PC's are used for so many other things and its simply not a thing the family gathers around to play. Not like consoles.

People like them seperate for many things.

1) they dont want their kid playing games on it messing up the PC

2) they are doing work on the PC or other stuff non game related. They can seperate teh game playing to the console

3) With a console, you dont have to worry about the latest updates, drivers, memory, storage, etc.

People pay for convience. Its not always 'the most for your money'.

Nintendo realized all this and has been making a ton of money at it. They know what to do with the technology. If you were in charge with your logic, you'd run Nintendo into the ground

flazzle

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I need to take a BUSINESS CLASS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

No thanks, I'm trying to be something other than a third-rate goombah.

1, 2, and 3 mean nothing to me and I derive utterly more convenience from PC gaming.

The Wii has garbage software when put up against a direct comparison to the 360, PS3, PC, or PS2. PS2 has practically equivalent graphics to the Wii. Plus it's a....DVD player...lol.

You don't need a Wii-mote. Nobody does. I game with a KB/M and a Sixaxis. I'm not utterly incapable of doing so last time I checked.

Marketing doesn't make a quality product, neither does running an efficient business that gives people what they demand. I don't care what people demand, because I'm a consumer, not a lemming (non-system wars usage).

I wouldn't touch Nintendo or any other business with a 20 foot pole. I don't like businesses because I don't like capitalism. I'm interested in a quality product, which the Wii is not.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Well, there's always peripheral junk.

Guitar Hero, Dance Dance, rail-shooters, Wii-Fit, etc.

For some reason, in this generation, peripheral crap with overpriced gimmicks seem to be selling extremely well.

flazzle

Why are these peripherals 'junk'? I find quite a few of the ones you mentioned quite fun. And whats wrong with a rail shooter? They are awsome if done right.

Are any peripherals not considered junk by you? Or is every single one junk?

Hey, don't take it that way. If you want to play with them, that's fine. Actually, I'd love for there to be one standard lightgun that has a great deal of developer support. That's the one thing that I like about the Wii. It's good for rail shooters. And it comes with the console.

But I greatly disagree with spending $70 on a wireless guitar peripheral

Peripherals are not junk by definition, and junk by my definition does not mean junk by your definition. Consider it junk in a "slang" sense. Contemplating on it, I mean "unnecessary side dish."

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.-Renegade

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.-Renegade

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

Some people create games without the interest in a quick buck. See some of the most successful and quality PC mods. They make a grand total of $0 on those games and spend a lot of time and energy creating them.

Then there's Assassin's Creed. I looked people in the face, told them I hated the game, and they bought it anyway. One after the other. And practically everyone hates it.

Assassin's Creed sucked. Seriously. It sold millions and millions. I don't quantify quality by sales. If I did I'd be a bandwagon monkey instead of a consumer. I know I speak for myself, but what can I do.

That's...interesting.

Would that be good or not? I mean, all that means is that people would migrate to the pc, and handhelds will become increasingly more useful.

ice144

But hey, while we are predicting, I predict in the future there will be ONE device anyone needs. It will be the size of a ipod. You can hook it up to your tv and monitor. It will have its own screen for smaller game playing and viewing. It will have tiny massive harddrives. Probably SSD. You can make phone calls, browse, hook up keyboards, etc. It will eliminate all computer makers, ipod makers, console makers, cell phone makers, hand held consoles.

It will do everything all computer and media devices do today. Thus, it will eliminate everything but itself.

flazzle

Don't talk so bad about iphones. :(

No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.muscleserge

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.BobHipJames

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

Some people create games without the interest in a quick buck. See some of the most successful and quality PC mods. They make a grand total of $0 on those games and spend a lot of time and energy creating them.

Then there's Assassin's Creed. I looked people in the face, told them I hated the game, and they bought it anyway. One after the other. And practically everyone hates it.

Assassin's Creed sucked. Seriously. It sold millions and millions. I don't quantify quality by sales. If I did I'd be a bandwagon monkey instead of a consumer. I know I speak for myself, but what can I do.

I am not talking about the quality of the games I am talking about the games being pirated. PC developers are moving to consoles for a reason...

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.HuusAsking

There were many factors to the Crash of '83, and the lack of hardware control hasn't hurt any other home entertainment industry.

Rising licensing fees, when combined with skyrocketing dev costs, are hurting game developers.

And the 360 and PS3 may be turning quarterly profits, but neither have fully recouped their initial development costs, and are unlikely to before the next generation begins.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.-Renegade

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

Some people create games without the interest in a quick buck. See some of the most successful and quality PC mods. They make a grand total of $0 on those games and spend a lot of time and energy creating them.

Then there's Assassin's Creed. I looked people in the face, told them I hated the game, and they bought it anyway. One after the other. And practically everyone hates it.

Assassin's Creed sucked. Seriously. It sold millions and millions. I don't quantify quality by sales. If I did I'd be a bandwagon monkey instead of a consumer. I know I speak for myself, but what can I do.

I am not talking about the quality of the games I am talking about the games being pirated. PC developers are moving to consoles for a reason...

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.muscleserge

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

On PSone Gran Turismo.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.mjarantilla

There were many factors to the Crash of '83, and the lack of hardware control hasn't hurt any other home entertainment industry.

Rising licensing fees, when combined with skyrocketing dev costs, are hurting game developers.

And the 360 and PS3 may be turning quarterly profits, but neither have fully recouped their initial development costs, and are unlikely to before the next generation begins.

That's why I am thinking if M$ wants to be really profitable this generation the 360 will need to have a 6 year life cycle unless they just decide to give up like the first Xbox.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.-Renegade

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Some people create games without the interest in a quick buck. See some of the most successful and quality PC mods. They make a grand total of $0 on those games and spend a lot of time and energy creating them.

Then there's Assassin's Creed. I looked people in the face, told them I hated the game, and they bought it anyway. One after the other. And practically everyone hates it.

Assassin's Creed sucked. Seriously. It sold millions and millions. I don't quantify quality by sales. If I did I'd be a bandwagon monkey instead of a consumer. I know I speak for myself, but what can I do.

HuusAsking

I am not talking about the quality of the games I am talking about the games being pirated. PC developers are moving to consoles for a reason...

Capcom and Square have always made games for PC...

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.-Renegade

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Sims: 50 million

WoW: 11 million

Lineage 2: 14 million

Sims 2: 13 million

StarCraft: 10 million

Notice the variety in franchises? You mentioned only two franchises, the PC has four unique, separate franchises, and some of them -- StarCraft and the Sims -- are FIRST-TIME franchises (i.e. not sequels or follow-ups).

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]

I think so, consoles get a lot of publicity, where PC doesn't. I thing that all the money MS has spent making the 360 could go to game developement, there wouldn't be RROD. The industry would be very different, how different I don't know. Also what game sold over 10 mil on any single console?HuusAsking

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Yeah that is only one game. Compared to consoles PC games just don't sell in the same volume.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No one is stopping you from getting a small PC hooking it up to an HDTV and playing games with a PS2, 360, or countles other controllers PC offers. Hell I do it sometimes when I feel like it. I also have a 360, but compared to my PC the 360 feels childish and cheap. I love AA, and the crisp image quality my comp delivers. PC is the most versatile platfrom, you can use is however you want, hell you can hook up like 3 1080p HDTVs to the same comp. I personally see no point in consoles, people have PCs anyway, why not just standerdise some form of specs and controllers and release games for them.HuusAsking

Do you honestly think the gaming industry would be making as much money now if we could only play games on PC? Have you not seen PC games sales? When is the last time a game outside of an MMO has ever sold 10 million copies on PC?

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

The original Sims sold 50 million, actually, with 20 million expansion packs sold.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Some people create games without the interest in a quick buck. See some of the most successful and quality PC mods. They make a grand total of $0 on those games and spend a lot of time and energy creating them.

Then there's Assassin's Creed. I looked people in the face, told them I hated the game, and they bought it anyway. One after the other. And practically everyone hates it.

Assassin's Creed sucked. Seriously. It sold millions and millions. I don't quantify quality by sales. If I did I'd be a bandwagon monkey instead of a consumer. I know I speak for myself, but what can I do.

-Renegade

I am not talking about the quality of the games I am talking about the games being pirated. PC developers are moving to consoles for a reason...

Capcom and Square have always made games for PC...

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]

I think so, consoles get a lot of publicity, where PC doesn't. I thing that all the money MS has spent making the 360 could go to game developement, there wouldn't be RROD. The industry would be very different, how different I don't know. Also what game sold over 10 mil on any single console?mjarantilla

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Sims: 50 million

WoW: 11 million

Lineage 2: 14 million

Sims 2: 13 million

StarCraft: 10 million

Notice the variety in franchises? You mentioned only two franchises, the PC has four unique, separate franchises, and some of them -- StarCraft and the Sims -- are FIRST-TIME franchises (i.e. not sequels or follow-ups).

The thing is though PC releases waaay more games then what is released on consoles but if you look at the numbers overall console games sell better.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

Oh yeah? The Sims outsold all of them (around 15 million--the highest console-based seller, GT3, only went about 14 and a half).mjarantilla

The original Sims sold 50 million, actually, with 20 million expansion packs sold.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

Capcom and Square have always made games for PC...

HuusAsking

Resident Evil 4 PC and Final Fantasy XI PC.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]

I think so, consoles get a lot of publicity, where PC doesn't. I thing that all the money MS has spent making the 360 could go to game developement, there wouldn't be RROD. The industry would be very different, how different I don't know. Also what game sold over 10 mil on any single console?-Renegade

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Sims: 50 million

WoW: 11 million

Lineage 2: 14 million

Sims 2: 13 million

StarCraft: 10 million

Notice the variety in franchises? You mentioned only two franchises, the PC has four unique, separate franchises, and some of them -- StarCraft and the Sims -- are FIRST-TIME franchises (i.e. not sequels or follow-ups).

The thing is though PC releases waaay more games then what is released on consoles but if you look at the numbers overall console games sell better.

This guy's analysis is completely wrong. The console industry continues to break records all the way around with the Wii, 360, and PS3. All consoles are doing remarkably better than they did last year and they are selling a lot of software. You can see this when you look at the YOY growth for both hardware and software sales.

In fact, I expect the industry to continue to grow bigger and bigger as long as there are new gamers who are brought in. This is why the PS1, PS2, and the Wii have done well in appealing to the mass market. As long as consoles continue to do this, the industry will not collapse upon itself.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]

I think so, consoles get a lot of publicity, where PC doesn't. I thing that all the money MS has spent making the 360 could go to game developement, there wouldn't be RROD. The industry would be very different, how different I don't know. Also what game sold over 10 mil on any single console?-Renegade

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Sims: 50 million

WoW: 11 million

Lineage 2: 14 million

Sims 2: 13 million

StarCraft: 10 million

Notice the variety in franchises? You mentioned only two franchises, the PC has four unique, separate franchises, and some of them -- StarCraft and the Sims -- are FIRST-TIME franchises (i.e. not sequels or follow-ups).

The thing is though PC releases waaay more games then what is released on consoles but if you look at the numbers overall console games sell better.

That's because console developers spend bucketloads on movie trailers and TV commercials, billboards and full-spread magazine ads. Any game receiving THAT much coverage is going to sell at least a million or two. PC games usually rely on word-of-mouth.

This guy's analysis is completely wrong. The console industry continues to break records all the way around with the Wii, 360, and PS3. All consoles are doing remarkably better than they did last year and they are selling a lot of software. You can see this when you look at the YOY growth for both hardware and software sales.

In fact, I expect the industry to continue to grow bigger and bigger as long as there are new gamers who are brought in. This is why the PS1, PS2, and the Wii have done well in appealing to the mass market. As long as consoles continue to do this, the industry will not collapse upon itself.

Zhengi

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="livinitup01"]That seems pretty scary to think about. No more Mario saving Peach? A world without Mario is in dark turmoil. I hope the world will end by then.-Renegade

The point is you'll be playing your console games on your PC. It's like Sega. No more Sega consoles, but Sega software still exists? Where? On other consoles. Well, the idea is when the consoles die the developers move on up to the PC platform, where I FRIGGIN' WANT THEM.

Dude I don't think that will ever be the case unless they can find some way to deal with pirates. PC developers are actually moving to consoles not the other way around.

You have a good point. That's why the console will perish eventually. Every publisher would prefer to release games to a platform without paying licesing fees to a manufacturer.

A unified platform with the security capabilities of consoles but without the licesing fees would automaticaly win support of EA a another dozen big publishers(specially if that platform is compatible with PC like x86 architecture and all the development tools and skill they already have apply to it).

Something like this would allow an effective competition between several software delivery services(XBL, PSN, Steam, iTunes). Because in the end, music, movies, games, it's all software and that's where consumers can benefit from competition.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="muscleserge"]

I think so, consoles get a lot of publicity, where PC doesn't. I thing that all the money MS has spent making the 360 could go to game developement, there wouldn't be RROD. The industry would be very different, how different I don't know. Also what game sold over 10 mil on any single console?mjarantilla

On PSone Gran Turism.

On PS2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto Vice City and Grand Theft Auto 3. All these games have sold over 10 million copies on these consoles. Not many PC games outside of WoW have even come close to these kind of sales.

Sims: 50 million

WoW: 11 million

Lineage 2: 14 million

Sims 2: 13 million

StarCraft: 10 million

Notice the variety in franchises? You mentioned only two franchises, the PC has four unique, separate franchises, and some of them -- StarCraft and the Sims -- are FIRST-TIME franchises (i.e. not sequels or follow-ups).

The thing is though PC releases waaay more games then what is released on consoles but if you look at the numbers overall console games sell better.

That's because console developers spend bucketloads on movie trailers and TV commercials, billboards and full-spread magazine ads. Any game receiving THAT much coverage is going to sell at least a million or two. PC games usually rely on word-of-mouth.