star ocean 4 just sealed the deal Blu-ray is now a must!

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Keep-the-Faith"]

So?

you change a disk.

id take that over a mandatory install anyday.

-Oath

Not if you have a HDD which majority of 360 owners have. Before you even start the game start the disk installation, grab a soda, sit back for maybe 12 minutes and your set to play.

[QUOTE="roddollente"]lol at people going 'installation time'. the only game i've had installations between chapters is MGS4, and one chapter takes time to complete. almost every ps3 game installs the first time you insert the disc. also, hasn't the 360 implemented the 'mandatory installs' to reduce noise, disc-scratching, etc.? people saying, 'installation times' are just lame. next time go buy a ps3 first, will you? spinecaton

Sooner or later you are going to run out of room on your HDD for installing games though. I mean say if I had the amount of 360 games as I do for a PS3 and the average installation files is 3gigs. I have 45 games x 3 gigs per game = 135gigs worth of space. Now of course I can always buy a bigger HDD or just delete the file from my HDD but then if I want to play again I have to install and manage my files. The PS3 style of installing isn't the way to go and the xbox 360 DVD isn't the way to go, but that is all we have. Both have their ups and downs so might as well deal with them until next gen consoles.

If Blu-Ray becomes the standard format for next gen consoles, I don't see mandatory installs being there anymore. Even though the 2x blu-ray drive in the PS3 can essentially put out the same amount of information as a DVD per second, it's not always the case. However with newer blu-ray drives the read speed has increased, which means hopefully no more mandatory installs, maybe just a choice. Newer tech always has it's downsides, wrinkles that need to be ironed out

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a first for RPGs? I don't think I've ever had to change disc to go back to another area.Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="-Oath"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] But you have to go back to this area so you change to the previous disk. OOPS now you made a mistake and don't really need to go there but where you were so you change the disk back. See that can get annoying. CAlNlAC

Not if you have a HDD which majority of 360 owners have. Before you even start the game start the disk installation, grab a soda, sit back for maybe 12 minutes and your set to play.

Ung, I keep forgetting that! Your right, you do have to change the disks still but its still not annoying as most ppl think it to be. If your on te lazyside then it can be a real pain in the arse.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a first for RPGs? I don't think I've ever had to change disc to go back to another area.Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Keep-the-Faith"]

So?

you change a disk.

id take that over a mandatory install anyday.

-Oath

Not if you have a HDD which majority of 360 owners have. Before you even start the game start the disk installation, grab a soda, sit back for maybe 12 minutes and your set to play.

I love Blu-Ray and think it is a great new format, however swapping disks I could really care less about. On the other hand, the fact that if you want to go back to another location, you need to swap disks, it's a pretty stupid design flaw. I'm sure I will still enjoy it, but it's just one of those things where the developer should have said "wow this was a pretty stupid idea, we should find a way around it"lundy86_4

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]I love Blu-Ray and think it is a great new format, however swapping disks I could really care less about. On the other hand, the fact that if you want to go back to another location, you need to swap disks, it's a pretty stupid design flaw. I'm sure I will still enjoy it, but it's just one of those things where the developer should have said "wow this was a pretty stupid idea, we should find a way around it"angry_fork

That's what i'm thinking... it's just something that should have jumped straight out and slapped the developer in the face. From what i've seen i'm psyched for it either way... I highly enjoyed Star Ocean: Til the End of Time

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a first for RPGs? I don't think I've ever had to change disc to go back to another area.Panther501

The last disc is the end of the game with little game content and alot of CGI movies. Your going to spend all your time doing everything on disc 2 before you move on to finish the game. Your not going to be swaping the disc every minute because you need to go back and get something. Sony Fanboys are really jealous the really wanted this games hard luck we'll enjoy it.paul265

Have you ever played an old-school JRPG, at the end of the game you could go back and do the awesome stuff, all side quests, secret bosses and dungeons... I don't think it's going to kill the game, but it is an annoyance. I know i'm gonna like it

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="roddollente"]lol at people going 'installation time'. the only game i've had installations between chapters is MGS4, and one chapter takes time to complete. almost every ps3 game installs the first time you insert the disc. also, hasn't the 360 implemented the 'mandatory installs' to reduce noise, disc-scratching, etc.? people saying, 'installation times' are just lame. next time go buy a ps3 first, will you? lundy86_4

Sooner or later you are going to run out of room on your HDD for installing games though. I mean say if I had the amount of 360 games as I do for a PS3 and the average installation files is 3gigs. I have 45 games x 3 gigs per game = 135gigs worth of space. Now of course I can always buy a bigger HDD or just delete the file from my HDD but then if I want to play again I have to install and manage my files. The PS3 style of installing isn't the way to go and the xbox 360 DVD isn't the way to go, but that is all we have. Both have their ups and downs so might as well deal with them until next gen consoles.

If Blu-Ray becomes the standard format for next gen consoles, I don't see mandatory installs being there anymore. Even though the 2x blu-ray drive in the PS3 can essentially put out the same amount of information as a DVD per second, it's not always the case. However with newer blu-ray drives the read speed has increased, which means hopefully no more mandatory installs, maybe just a choice. Newer tech always has it's downsides, wrinkles that need to be ironed out

Yup, next gen we will see a bunch of things ironed out that were annoyances this gen. Both systems have their ups and downs so might as well stomach it and wait. I never use technology as "ownage" on this forums, only games :P

The last disc is the end of the game with little game content and alot of CGI movies. Your going to spend all your time doing everything on disc 2 before you move on to finish the game. Your not going to be swaping the disc every minute because you need to go back and get something. Sony Fanboys are really jealous the really wanted this games hard luck we'll enjoy it.paul265

I just don't care enough. All this tells me is that this game will be very big. The act of changing a disc requires so little effort it isn't worth mentioning. I liked multiple discs with LO (No backtracking mind you.) simply because it felt like you were starting a fresh chapter. My only concern with this backtracking thing is a possible increased likelyhood of crashing due to disc changes. It reminds me of when I used to get PC games on CD. Oh how much fun installing CoD 2 was, only 6 discs worth of instalation goodness. WasntAvailable

I dunno, i've just loved changing discs since the PS1 era, it just made games feel that much more epic. I think my first full playthrough of an RPG was Final Fantasy 7 when it was released... and it was good

[QUOTE="bigLLL"]

If you listen to IGN's review of star ocean 4 you would have heard them say when you want to go back to other areas in the game you will need to change disc, so basically if u need to back track your gonna need to change disc then change it again once you need to continue foward with the game again, thats just Lame star ocean 4 really needed to be on blu-ray, changing dics isnt so bad, but when you need to change discs just to back track in a game it's no good at all, and if anyone has played a star ocean game you would know there is a lot of back tracking.-Oath

Didnt bother me with legend of Dragoon, wont bother me now.

Gametrailers' Video Preview for anyone whos interested

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45755.html

Well the game is complete right? It does suck to swap discs that many times however it's still managable and scored well on IGN.waynehead895

they gave it a 8..and the graphic isnt even hd..way to go square..now bring it to the ps3 because u knwo its goin to sell badly on the 360..lol

[QUOTE="insomnia37"]That game needs to be ported to the PS3. No it doesnt. You want it? Buy a 360

That just proves there's nothing next gen about the 360. ?WTF? No, it proves that the 360 needs larger DVD compatability, thats all.

I'm wondering how many games now are out for the 360 that are on multiple discs? If a games good enough the disc swapping should matter. Besides, the 360 can HDD install games so no swapping need,+ fast loading.-Oath

Or they could just force a HDD install and avoid changing or using discs at all except for distribution purposes. Blu-ray isn't necessary at all.foxhound_fox

If you listen to IGN's review of star ocean 4 you would have heard them say when you want to go back to other areas in the game you will need to change disc, so basically if u need to back track your gonna need to change disc then change it again once you need to continue foward with the game again, thats just Lame star ocean 4 really needed to be on blu-ray, changing dics isnt so bad, but when you need to change discs just to back track in a game it's no good at all, and if anyone has played a star ocean game you would know there is a lot of back tracking.

So?

you change a disk.

id take that over a mandatory install anyday.

so are mandatory installs.

[QUOTE="Keep-the-Faith"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] But you have to go back to this area so you change to the previous disk. OOPS now you made a mistake and don't really need to go there but where you were so you change the disk back. See that can get annoying. bigLLL

so are mandatory installs.

That game needs to be ported to the PS3. insomnia37

Agree, the game looks sweet, i wish that they release a PS3 version soon.

[QUOTE="waynehead895"]Well the game is complete right? It does suck to swap discs that many times however it's still managable and scored well on IGN.stayhigh1

they gave it a 8..and the graphic isnt even hd..way to go square..now bring it to the ps3 because u knwo its goin to sell badly on the 360..lol

[QUOTE="bigLLL"]

If you listen to IGN's review of star ocean 4 you would have heard them say when you want to go back to other areas in the game you will need to change disc, so basically if u need to back track your gonna need to change disc then change it again once you need to continue foward with the game again, thats just Lame star ocean 4 really needed to be on blu-ray, changing dics isnt so bad, but when you need to change discs just to back track in a game it's no good at all, and if anyone has played a star ocean game you would know there is a lot of back tracking.

Bigboi500

Is this a cow jealousy thread? I wouldn't want that slow reading BD in any console specially the 360. I'll take disk swapping over crushing loading times any dayocinom

and if anyone has played a star ocean game you would know there is a lot of back tracking.

bigLLL

[QUOTE="waynehead895"]Well the game is complete right? It does suck to swap discs that many times however it's still managable and scored well on IGN.stayhigh1

they gave it a 8..and the graphic isnt even hd..way to go square..now bring it to the ps3 because u knwo its goin to sell badly on the 360..lol

What gives you the idea it would sell better on the PS3? Considering VC numbers were horrible, I wouldn't see it selling much better on the PS3. Atleast on the xbox 360 they have had good numbers with JRPG sales.

Well the game is complete right? It does suck to swap discs that many times however it's still managable and scored well on IGN.waynehead895

they gave it a 8..and the graphic isnt even hd..way to go square..now bring it to the ps3 because u knwo its goin to sell badly on the 360..lol

What gives you the idea it would sell better on the PS3? Considering VC numbers were horrible, I wouldn't see it selling much better on the PS3. Atleast on the xbox 360 they have had good numbers with JRPG sales.

Changing discs is not a big deal unless stuff like this happens, I remember playing Tiger Woods on the GC and it had different courses on different discs which sucked, but RE4 was 2 discs and was not a problem at all just switch at a certain point.wooooode

Swapping discs in Star Ocean is no more bad than mandatory installs. Both suck arse.PoppaGamer

A quick one off 3 min wait is too much for most people huh?

I mean sure MGS4 had a 8 min install, with a 3 min install/act. But thats MGS4. Its got so much data on the disk.

Other than that, Installs dont even come close to the word "bothering"

Games like KZ2 have no installs...:?

[QUOTE="roddollente"]lol at people going 'installation time'. the only game i've had installations between chapters is MGS4, and one chapter takes time to complete. almost every ps3 game installs the first time you insert the disc. also, hasn't the 360 implemented the 'mandatory installs' to reduce noise, disc-scratching, etc.? people saying, 'installation times' are just lame. next time go buy a ps3 first, will you? spinecaton

Sooner or later you are going to run out of room on your HDD for installing games though. I mean say if I had the amount of 360 games as I do for a PS3 and the average installation files is 3gigs. I have 45 games x 3 gigs per game = 135gigs worth of space. Now of course I can always buy a bigger HDD or just delete the file from my HDD but then if I want to play again I have to install and manage my files. The PS3 style of installing isn't the way to go and the xbox 360 DVD isn't the way to go, but that is all we have. Both have their ups and downs so might as well deal with them until next gen consoles.

Is this a cow jealousy thread? I wouldn't want that slow reading BD in any console specially the 360. I'll take disk swapping over crushing loading times any dayocinom

Isn't Star Ocean 3 discs? I wonder why they didn't just stretch it our on 4 discs, and put all the data on each discCouth_