Star Ocean: The Last Hope Gamespot Review (7.5) - PS3

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#51 GreySeal9
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Maybe I'm not fully aware of what was added on from the 360 version but how does having all of the same stuff plus having more not make it any better?

BPoole96

Because raw content doesn't automaticallymake something better. If that were true, more content on a bad game (not talking about SO)could make it less of a bad game.

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#52 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Maybe I'm not fully aware of what was added on from the 360 version but how does having all of the same stuff plus having more not make it any better?

Rza_rectah

who knows maybe the things square added wasnt enough to justify a higher score.

Higher standards than last year the par gets higher after every year.

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#53 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Maybe I'm not fully aware of what was added on from the 360 version but how does having all of the same stuff plus having more not make it any better?

who knows maybe the things square added wasnt enough to justify a higher score.

Higher standards than last year the par gets higher after every year.

That seems very likely too.
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#54 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] who cares what this game was hyped at though honestly so dudes were wrong move on.

I was reiterating to him that some will be, indeed, surprised regardless.
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#55 Chutebox
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I called it! Go meeee!!!

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#56 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] who cares what this game was hyped at though honestly so dudes were wrong move on.Stevo_the_gamer
I was reiterating to him that some will be, indeed, surprised regardless.

they shouldnt be if they did their research I dont believe any SO achieved a AA on this site. Maybe part 3 did but thats it.

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#57 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Looked bad anyway.Stevo_the_gamer
Well, still managed to get high A.

It got that score over a year ago...
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#58 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Looked bad anyway.xsubtownerx
Well, still managed to get high A.

It got that score over a year ago...

And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.
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#59 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Well, still managed to get high A. Chutebox
It got that score over a year ago...

And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)
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#60 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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they shouldnt be if they did their research I dont believe any SO achieved a AA on this site. Maybe part 3 did but thats it.

Rza_rectah

Yeah, God forbid some people to be hopeful and be hyped about a certain game. :?

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#61 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] It got that score over a year ago...

And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

Worth is different. It's ridiculous to think it hasn't improved.
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#62 Giancar
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] It got that score over a year ago...

And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

so do you think because the other version is cheaper this one should get a lower score?
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#63 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]they shouldnt be if they did their research I dont believe any SO achieved a AA on this site. Maybe part 3 did but thats it.

Yeah, God forbid some people to be hopeful and be hyped about a certain game. :?

SO this game sucks now because a number doesnt meet a gamers preceived expectation thats nonsense. Its up to the people who hyped this game to determine if it meets their liking not some number given by a GS reviewer.
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#64 Rockman999
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Star Ocean was never really that special. =\

Isn't this SE's first game released on the PS3 now?

supa_badman

Second, FF13 was the first.

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#65 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] It got that score over a year ago...xsubtownerx
And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

I bought SO4 on 360 last year played it for 2 lol and sold it for half the price after 1 day cuz I couldnt handle the terrible English voice acting any more and now I bought it on PS3 again Japanese voices addition were more than enouh to make me buy it.

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#66 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

so do you think because the other version is cheaper this one should get a lower score?

Not at all. The score is fine and exactly what it should have gotten.
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#67 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] And it managed to get that score now, which tells you the game improved.

Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

Worth is different. It's ridiculous to think it hasn't improved.

I agree. Just as ridiculous as thinking the improvements are worth an extra 30$.
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#68 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] Suuuure. :lol: I wonder if the improvements are worth twice as much.. ;)

Worth is different. It's ridiculous to think it hasn't improved.

I agree. Just as ridiculous as thinking the improvements are worth an extra 30$.

Never said it was worth the extra money.
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#69 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] SO this game sucks now because a number doesnt meet a gamers preceived expectation thats nonsense. Its up to the people who hyped this game to determine if it meets their liking not some number given by a GS reviewer.

I never said this game sucked. :? Nevertheless, people will still be surprised to see a game score lower than they predicted -- who wouldn't be if their prediction was off?
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#70 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Worth is different. It's ridiculous to think it hasn't improved.

I agree. Just as ridiculous as thinking the improvements are worth an extra 30$.

Never said it was worth the extra money.

I never said you did. And I still love you. :oops:
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#71 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] SO this game sucks now because a number doesnt meet a gamers preceived expectation thats nonsense. Its up to the people who hyped this game to determine if it meets their liking not some number given by a GS reviewer.Stevo_the_gamer
I never said this game sucked. :? Nevertheless, people will still be surprised to see a game score lower than they predicted -- who wouldn't be if their prediction was off?

that number means nothing HR got a 8.5 i hyped it for a 9.5 I think its deserving of a 9.5. Initially I was abit surprised but in the end its just a number just because some one guess a wrong school or they are off a .5 is not a big deal. This game is barely a surprise its a port of a game which recieved the same score and that game was released over a year ago.
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#72 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] SO this game sucks now because a number doesnt meet a gamers preceived expectation thats nonsense. Its up to the people who hyped this game to determine if it meets their liking not some number given by a GS reviewer.

I never said this game sucked. :? Nevertheless, people will still be surprised to see a game score lower than they predicted -- who wouldn't be if their prediction was off?

did you get the new total war yet stevo?
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#73 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] that number means nothing HR got a 8.5 i hyped it for a 9.5 I think its deserving of a 9.5. Initially I was abit surprised but in the end its just a number just because some one guess a wrong school or they are off a .5 is not a big deal. This game is barely a surprise its a port of a game which recieved the same score and that game was released over a year ago.

I'm well aware you're not surprised by this, that doesn't mean others are not.
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#74 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I agree. Just as ridiculous as thinking the improvements are worth an extra 30$.

Never said it was worth the extra money.

I never said you did. And I still love you. :oops:

Aw shucks. Now I'm blushing too!
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#75 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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did you get the new total war yet stevo?lawlessx
It's currently sitting idle at a UPS shipping center twenty minutes away from my house. UPS will drop it off tomorrow -- knowing my luck, I'll probably be ****ing the last dropoff of the day. :cry:
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#76 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] that number means nothing HR got a 8.5 i hyped it for a 9.5 I think its deserving of a 9.5. Initially I was abit surprised but in the end its just a number just because some one guess a wrong school or they are off a .5 is not a big deal. This game is barely a surprise its a port of a game which recieved the same score and that game was released over a year ago.Stevo_the_gamer
I'm well aware you're not surprised by this, that doesn't mean others are not.

Thats not what I was arguing I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised because honestly its the same game with some free DLC whats to be surprised about?
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#77 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] Thats not what I was arguing I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised because honestly its the same game with some free DLC whats to be surprised about?

That's quite the simplification.
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#78 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] Thats not what I was arguing I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised because honestly its the same game with some free DLC whats to be surprised about?Stevo_the_gamer
That's quite the simplification.

how so? is it not the truth?
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#79 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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how so? is it not the truth?Rza_rectah
You just oversimplified all the improvements and additions to the game by just calling that mere "DLC". :?

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#80 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Meh. Let me say that again. MEH. Yay for the beta testing mchine to keep up in scores with the none beta testing version !!!11!!

GreySeal9

That "beta-testing our games" talking point was always kind of dumb.

and was never suppose to be taken serious.

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Its a great game. I have had it since launch a few weeks ago. And the anime menus and icons are much better. Those cgi icons are ugly!!!
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#82 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]how so? is it not the truth?Stevo_the_gamer

You just oversimplified all the improvements and additions to the game by just calling that mere "DLC". :?

so those slight improvements and minimal additions warrant a year old game a higher score. Food for thought did the ps3's version of batman score higher. No slight improvments dont change the core experiance of the game it still remains the same.
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#83 Midnightshade29
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After beating WKC and playing SO4 international for about 30 hours now I can confirm it again GS sux with JRPGs reviews WKC >> SO4 international if you add this to Lost odyssey 7.5 (deserved 9) and eternal sonata 8.5 (6 was too much for it) you will know that trusting GS JRPGs reviews is a crime.

Kashiwaba
Yeah Eteranal sonata was the worst game ever!!!! The game is garbage yet got a 8.5 here?
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#84 Midnightshade29
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where is finalstar! somebody tell him to get off WKC and get over here :P

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Actually he is probably busy playing mw2..
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#85 PSdual_wielder
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Decent score, I'll find some way to play this game later down the road, because no way I'm buying this full price and in this season. :)

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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] so those slight improvements and minimal additions warrant a year old game a higher score. Food for thought did the ps3's version of batman score higher. No slight improvments dont change the core experiance of the game it still remains the same.

If Batman released a year later, I doubt it would have scored AAA. Again, I fail to see why it's wrong for someone to be hopeful that this game would score an 8.0.
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#87 Rza_rectah
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Decent score, I'll find some way to play this game later down the road, because no way I'm buying this full price and in this season. :)

PSdual_wielder
yeah its not worth it at full price, but I have a feeling this games price will drop fast.
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#88 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] so those slight improvements and minimal additions warrant a year old game a higher score. Food for thought did the ps3's version of batman score higher. No slight improvments dont change the core experiance of the game it still remains the same.Stevo_the_gamer
If Batman released a year later, I doubt it would have scored AAA. Again, I fail to see why it's wrong for someone to be hopeful that this game would score an 8.0.

Its not wrong thats not what I was arguing Im simply saying that they shouldnt its only a cause for self dissapointment. The factors are clear for this game to recieve the same school even before it was reviewed.
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#89 PSdual_wielder
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Decent score, I'll find some way to play this game later down the road, because no way I'm buying this full price and in this season. :)

Rza_rectah

yeah its not worth it at full price, but I have a feeling this games price will drop fast.

exactly, which is why I expect to buy this during the summer which is often the gaming drought period.

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The factors are clear for this game to recieve the same [score] even before it was reviewed.Rza_rectah
Those so-called factors can be viewed from a variety of different positions. Not to individuals like finalstar2007. Just because you view them a certain way doesn't dictate everyone else would see the same thing.
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#91 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Decent score, I'll find some way to play this game later down the road, because no way I'm buying this full price and in this season. :)

yeah its not worth it at full price, but I have a feeling this games price will drop fast.

exactly, which is why I expect to buy this during the summer which is often the gaming drought period.

Same Im buying a lot of games this summer 2010 is a great year for gaming so far.
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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] so those slight improvements and minimal additions warrant a year old game a higher score. Food for thought did the ps3's version of batman score higher. No slight improvments dont change the core experiance of the game it still remains the same.Stevo_the_gamer
If Batman released a year later, I doubt it would have scored AAA. Again, I fail to see why it's wrong for someone to be hopeful that this game would score an 8.0.

Really? Batman: Arkham Asylum is probably the greatest comic book hero game of all time. How in the world world a mere year tarnish that?Amazing games stay amazing forlonger than a year.

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#93 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] so those slight improvements and minimal additions warrant a year old game a higher score. Food for thought did the ps3's version of batman score higher. No slight improvments dont change the core experiance of the game it still remains the same.GreySeal9

If Batman released a year later, I doubt it would have scored AAA. Again, I fail to see why it's wrong for someone to be hopeful that this game would score an 8.0.

Really? Batman: Arkham Asylum is probably the greatest comic book hero game of all time. How in the world world a mere year tarnish that?Amazing games stay amazing for muchlonger thana year.

Thats true too some games stand the test of time very well.
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#94 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Well, even with all the so-called improvements, it still ended up scoring the same as the Xbox 360 version; no doubt about that this is the superior version.

Stevo_the_gamer

That's what many in SW already said would happen with such an aged port...No surprises here.

True, though some -- including you -- had hoped for AA, or suspected it might as such. Quite a few hyped it as AA.

Hey, did you just make that up right in front of me? That's not accurate at all.

I was one of the main guys that said it would probably get the same score, a plus for new stuff, and minus for late port, in the end, about the score...I'm not even that interested in the PS3 version much anymore, unless I see it on the cheap. I still have my 360 copy.

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Me directly talking about the PS3 future SO4 score - "Obviously it's improved...BUT it's a year old. I think it will be a 7.5 again. Maybe 8.0."

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You just reminded me of how accurate I am! :o I mean, dang, I'm pretty good! :P Anyways, I can play that game, but this is what it would look like.

"Some -- including you -- had hoped and pined for an a low score, or at best an equal "A" GS score."

Don't worry, I'm not going around telling people what they hope for when then don't even do...I don't honestly care, I didn't make the game.;)

Anyways, check out my link as well, that poll even found the game to be "A" hype majority with about 160 voters. Sure, polls are broken, but it's a telling tale of how low most expected, even non PS3 owners.

Like I said, my link shows directly what I said, I didn't "Hope" for anything at all. There was no hope involved.:P


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#95 Rockman999
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Its a great game. I have had it since launch a few weeks ago. And the anime menus and icons are much better. Those cgi icons are ugly!!!Midnightshade29
How is the combat compared to SO3? I hated that if you ran out of MP, your character died.

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Seems fair to me. It's not that great of an RPG. Certainly good and worth playing, but that's about it. I do like the battle system though, I'll give the game that.

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#97 2mrw
Member since 2008 • 6206 Posts

fair enough, i expected an 8 tho.

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#98 Vipa37
Member since 2009 • 268 Posts

Square screwed up and i bet you if Tales of vesperia comes out in US/EU and they charge full price that game is gonna sit there till it drops down. At the most the game should have been $40 AT MOST. Then square is gonna wonder why people didnt buy the port and thats because its $60 people who wanted to play it played it or read the story and no amount of content addition is gonna warrant full price. I stand by that look at ninja gaiden sigma 2 would have sold a boat load if tecmo would have released it at $40.

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#99 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Hey, did you just make that up right in front of me? That's not accurate at all.

I was one of the main guys that said it would probably get the same score, a plus for new stuff, and minus for late port, in the end, about the score...I'm not even that interested in the PS3 version much anymore, unless I see it on the cheap. I still have my 360 copy.

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Me directly talking about the PS3 future SO4 score - "Obviously it's improved...BUT it's a year old. I think it will be a 7.5 again. Maybe 8.0."

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You just reminded me of how accurate I am! :o I mean, dang, I'm pretty good! :P Anyways, I can play that game, but this is what it would look like.

"Some -- including you -- had hoped and pined for an a low score, or at best an equal "A" GS score."

Don't worry, I'm not going around telling people what they hope for when then don't even do...I don't honestly care, I didn't make the game.;)

Anyways, check out my link as well, that poll even found the game to be "A" hype majority with about 160 voters. Sure, polls are broken, but it's a telling tale of how low most expected, even non PS3 owners.

Like I said, my link shows directly what I said, I didn't "Hope" for anything at all. There was no hope involved.:P


SolidTy

I didn't make anything up -- whether or not you hoped it would achieve AA is my inferrence, but you at least suspected it "might" achieve AA; otherwise, you wouldn't have added that little "Maybe 8.0" at the end of your comment. You wouldn't have said such if you didn't believe at all within it. Again, notice the "or" in my post as I inferred that you hoped, and/or suspected it could achieve AA. Simple as that.

I'm well aware of the hype, as such I linked that same exact thread within the first few posts of this very thread. I was merely showcasing that quite a few might be surprised at the 7.5 score instead of the AA hype they were leaning towards.

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#100 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Hey, did you just make that up right in front of me? That's not accurate at all.

I was one of the main guys that said it would probably get the same score, a plus for new stuff, and minus for late port, in the end, about the score...I'm not even that interested in the PS3 version much anymore, unless I see it on the cheap. I still have my 360 copy.

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Me directly talking about the PS3 future SO4 score - "Obviously it's improved...BUT it's a year old. I think it will be a 7.5 again. Maybe 8.0."

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You just reminded me of how accurate I am! :o I mean, dang, I'm pretty good! :P Anyways, I can play that game, but this is what it would look like.

"Some -- including you -- had hoped and pined for an a low score, or at best an equal "A" GS score."

Don't worry, I'm not going around telling people what they hope for when then don't even do...I don't honestly care, I didn't make the game.;)

Anyways, check out my link as well, that poll even found the game to be "A" hype majority with about 160 voters. Sure, polls are broken, but it's a telling tale of how low most expected, even non PS3 owners.

Like I said, my link shows directly what I said, I didn't "Hope" for anything at all. There was no hope involved.:P


Stevo_the_gamer

I didn't make anything up -- whether or not you hoped it would achieve AA is my inferrence, but you at least suspected it "might" achieve AA; otherwise, you wouldn't have added that little "Maybe 8.0" at the end of your comment. You wouldn't have said such if you didn't believe at all within it. Again, notice the "or" in my post as I inferred that you hoped, and/or suspected it could achieve AA. Simple as that.

I'm well aware of the hype, as such I linked that same exact thread within the first few posts of this very thread. I was merely showcasing that quite a few might be surprised at the 7.5 score instead of the AA hype they were leaning towards.

So this proves nothing he said maybe an 8 but he was spot on with 7.5. Stop begging for a win you lost.