Starcraft 2 objectively has the best RTS campaign ever

Relic is not good in making varied mission and having awesome presentation.

Past Blizzard RTS, while having excellent presentation for their time, are outdated in term of level/mission design.

Homeworld has better story than Sc2, but Relic's other RTS are all thin in terms of plot and of course, variety and twist in level/mission design.

No, CoH neither has better presentation than Sc2 nor does it have the same level of replaybility and diversity.

Dawn of War 2 is downright awful and boring. (campaign)

Warcraft 3 doesn't offer anything else but story progression.

The mission design in SC2 was very outdated, altough I did love the campaign. But best ever? Nah. It had the best between mission segments, but the campaigh itself isn't as good as Myth 1-2, World in Conflict, Nexus and some other games. It just felt unfinished, the story wasn't gripping, there wasn't any real big resolution to anything, it just felt like a set of missions forcefully glued together.

Also..don't bash DoW2. The main's game campaign wasn't really good, but the one in Chaos Rising was amazing.

The mission design in SC2 was very outdated, altough I did love the campaign. But best ever? Nah. It had the best between mission segments, but the campaigh itself isn't as good as Myth 1-2, World in Conflict, Nexus and some other games. It just felt unfinished, the story wasn't gripping, there wasn't any real big resolution to anything, it just felt like a set of missions forcefully glued together.

Also..don't bash DoW2. The main's game campaign wasn't really good, but the one in Chaos Rising was amazing.

AdrianWerner

Also, Sc2 has the best presentation for an RTS so far, and it does have better character model than even ME2.

The mission design in SC2 was very outdated, altough I did love the campaign. But best ever? Nah. It had the best between mission segments, but the campaigh itself isn't as good as Myth 1-2, World in Conflict, Nexus and some other games. It just felt unfinished, the story wasn't gripping, there wasn't any real big resolution to anything, it just felt like a set of missions forcefully glued together.

Also..don't bash DoW2. The main's game campaign wasn't really good, but the one in Chaos Rising was amazing.

AdrianWerner

How did the campaign feel unfinished and outdated in terms of design and mechanics? Each level introduced not only a new unit but also a unique game mechanic to that said map used to great effect. Every level very clearly had been balanced and play test through multiple iteration so that standard tactics could be used along side unique approaches on a range of difficulties required for the level, I will agree that I was disappointed in the story and I think the main problem came from the fact that we had a long campaign of one race and a mini series of another instead of a plot advancing through all eyes like the first game and the expansion did but I'm also extremely excited for the next expansion because I'm very curious how they are going to approach the presentation.

I can honestly say that I dont play enough RTS games to declare it the best ever, but it was fantastic!

Yet, i found it very boring, forced and a huge step down from Starcraft 1 campaign

I really enjoyed it... but Starcraft is really the only RTS I play anymore... so I can't say its the BEST EVER... but the best I've played, no doubt.

1 thing I don't like about it though... is how long it takes for the story to pick up... alot of the early missions just feel like they were put there to drag it out, in order to justify breaking the game up into 3 parts.

Warcraft 3 was better. It's still far from "outdated".

imho :P

I really enjoyed SC2s campaign, but to say DOW2s campaign was awful.... :| :evil: I really need to pick up World In Conflict though. Played the demo and loved it, but I just haven't got around to buying it. :P

SC2 campaign is fantastic. I really liked it but the best ever? I don't know. My favorite is Rome: Total War campaign, if you consider it so.

I really enjoyed SC2s campaign, but to say DOW2s campaign was awful.... :| :evil: I really need to pick up World In Conflict though. Played the demo and loved it, but I just haven't got around to buying it. :P

DreamCryotank

KKnD had a much more engaging storyline imo. That and live action.

No it doesnt. It was pretty good but its not the best ever. Dawn of war 2 campaign sucked but Retribution SM campaign is top notch.

Age of Empires 2: The Age of Kings had many excellent campaigns.

While we have only played 1/3 of the Starcraft 2 story so far and the mechanics of the system could evolve and change between these 3 games. It does by far have the best characters (Zeratul), races, lore, setting, etc, etc of any RTS ever made by a very large margin. I did love the choices with the tech tree, mercenaries, and upgrades providing decent amounts of replayability...Im gonna say I agree, and think it will get even better with the heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void.

Bad time to say this, since Shogun 2 JUST came out.

Co-op siege of Kyoto may just be the coolest thing I've ever played in my life.

But no, RTS mission design is usually build bases, kill enemies, win.Ravenchrome

Also, Sc2 has the best presentation for an RTS so far, and it does have better character model than even ME2.

Ravenchrome

Bad time to say this, since Shogun 2 JUST came out.

Co-op siege of Kyoto may just be the coolest thing I've ever played in my life.

MetroidPrimePwn

Except Total War games are not RTS games.. They are a hybrid.

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Bad time to say this, since Shogun 2 JUST came out.

Co-op siege of Kyoto may just be the coolest thing I've ever played in my life.

sSubZerOo

Except Total War games are not RTS games.. They are a hybrid.

Yet, i found it very boring, forced and a huge step down from Starcraft 1 campaign

killzoneded

and i am 100% sure that you haven't play sc2 and sc1, simple because you donot have a gaming pc. I have seen you in a couple of threads now trolling about pc gaming.

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Bad time to say this, since Shogun 2 JUST came out.

Co-op siege of Kyoto may just be the coolest thing I've ever played in my life.

sSubZerOo

Except Total War games are not RTS games.. They are a hybrid.

You can't be objectively best on what is clearly an opinion.

IMO SC2 is a very good campaign, especially where variety is concerned, but it's story really brings it down, and I ended up liking WiC more because of it.

to ravenchrome, all you've done is post your own opinion, stop acting like your opinion is fact.

for the record, I found startcraft 2 boring and stale. My opionion.

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Bad time to say this, since Shogun 2 JUST came out.

Co-op siege of Kyoto may just be the coolest thing I've ever played in my life.

sSubZerOo

Except Total War games are not RTS games.. They are a hybrid.

Yeah, I can go either way on this. I don't think the TW series is RTS since the campaign map isn't in real time, which means it plays completely different than something like Starcraft. At the same time, it's still a strategy game, so comparisons for the campaign are not impossible.

That said, nothing in Starcraft can beat being crowned Roman Emperor in RTW.

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But no, RTS mission design is usually build bases, kill enemies, win.AdrianWerner

Also, Sc2 has the best presentation for an RTS so far, and it does have better character model than even ME2.

Ravenchrome

Zeratul, and Kerigan, especially kerigan, are two of the richest, coolest, most badass characters ever to grace a video game.

I also found these from the Wiki.

Heart of the Swarm

The campaign operates similarly to an RPG, in which Kerrigan is focused on increasing her personal power through mutations. Zerg armies protect her as she garners this power. The greater her power, the more zerg she's able to control. Like Wings of Liberty, the player will be presented with choices as to which missions to carry out and which units to get, but such choices won't be based on cash. Both the missions and their objectives are intended to be quite different from the ones featured in Wings of Liberty. She will instead worry about evolving the Swarm.The campaign will feature a branched storyline structure.

Legacy of the Void

The campaign will focus on Zeratul as its main character.

The protoss campaign will be based on diplomacy as the protoss factions splinter. The player will work with different protoss tribes and sects, helping leaders of some sects which will anger others. Using units from one side may preclude using units from the other side and alienating one or another sect may cut the player off from part of the campaign. The ultimate goal of the campaign is to unite the various tribes into a viable, unified force that can ensure the protoss' survival.

So each one will have a Twist to its campaign mechanic confirmed, and dont forget that these are Expansions. Once all three are installed, opening the game it will be a masterpiece at that point. And if you consider the FMV's a part of the campaign as they are "story" and if the next 2 have FMV's of the quality from Liberty, watching all the FMV's will be a beautiful work of art that will be better than most movies these days.

Warcraft 3 has a much better campaign...

Warcraft 3 has a much better campaign...

Espada12

It was fun, But I cant see how anyone could think that comes even close to the FMV's and real time story scenes....oh snap...I just remember the scene when the Lich king comes home and kills his father in the throne room...the FMV's and between mission story was presented with amazing art and style I had just forgotten till I really thought about it...basically Blizzard PWNS everyone.

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Warcraft 3 has a much better campaign...

chrion133

It was fun, But I cant see how anyone could think that comes even close to the FMV's and real time story scenes.

I thought it had much better structure and a much much better story. It was also pretty fun seeing how everything was playing out with the different races in the game throughout the world.

I'm surprised at all the people giving WiC love. Maybe it was just due of my underpowered PC and the awful voice-acting, but I thought it was pretty bland.

Also, thread needs more CoH/OF. Those campaigns were fantastic.

It starts out brilliantly but by the final quarter it becomes more workman-like than exhilarating because there's less variation. Also, the narrative just doesn't hold up. I expected slightly better from Blizzard given the quality of Warcraft 3's story. Its about an 8/10.

Zeratul, and Kerigan, especially kerigan, are two of the richest, coolest, most badass characters ever to grace a video game.

chrion133

I'd like to agree, but SC2 is the only RTS I've ever played to completion... actually its the only RTS I ever played for more than an hour or so. Great game, but I'm in no position to say either way.

There's no way to really objectively measure something like that, since it's down to preference.

That said, I agree.

I agree. I don't understand the hate for SC2's single player. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Best game of 2010 easily.