Steam Needs Quality Control

Why would they need PSN exactly?

What does PSN provide over Steam?

Petitions exist on both sides. I can't fault either, for wanting more quality games.

Still, prove your point. You need to show that more PC gamers want console games, than vice versa.

Valve is very inconsistent but also innovative and open at arms.

If you don't think a game looks good, you don't buy it.

Quality control.

@xboxdone74:

You mean those petition for multiplat games?

Doesn't matter, a lot of steam fanatics will buy anything once Gabe opens his zipper and tells them to open wide. PC is just held to a lower standard, that's why 2d games or games with bad PS2 graphics get 8s thrown at them.

PC platform is so starved for quality cutting edge games, a halfass game that would have been considered a throwaway on SNES is given high ratings. Crysis was 7 years ago? Since then, even Crytek went console. Witcher series? Went console. Console where the cutting edge is these days.

Yeah man, Steam needs to have a hacking-prone network that will compromise everyone's cc info

Glad to oblige.

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/rockstar-release-gta-v-on-pc (this first one proves the point, but here are others)

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/01/13/dark-souls-pc-petition-at-nearly-70000-signatures-namco-listening/

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dragonsdogma-pc/

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/release-destiny-on-pc

http://www.change.org/petitions/rock-star-games-bring-red-dead-redemption-on-pc

http://www.change.org/petitions/konami-release-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-on-pc

http://www.change.org/petitions/naughty-dog-the-last-of-us-we-want-the-last-of-us-to-come-to-pc

https://www.change.org/petitions/sega-increase-the-number-of-pc-releases-segapcports

@mr-powers:

Yet Witcher and Crysis games remain the best and look the best on PC.

2d games you say?

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Games/XboxIndieGames

I agree man, the cutting edge is definetely on consoles, i mean they got:

Cutting edge jaggies, cutting edge upscaled low resolutions, cutting edge hideous blurry textures, cutting edge crosseyed lara, cutting edge low framerate, cutting edge microtransactions that make the f2p pc games look like awesome deals, so much cutting edge

Did I misword my point? Prove that the PC petitions outnumber the console petitions. Learn the English language, sunshine.

Valve doesn't give a shit about quality control.

They have essentially become Nintendo in the sense that Nintendo used to have quality control and took pride in their name. But once they became dominant they stopped caring and will let any company come and pinch off a hot steamy shit game as long as they get a piece of cash pie. That's what valve does, they let anyone come and shit in their yard as long as they get a buck.

All valve does now is just suck at the tit of steam and occasionally throw some useless gimmick to their customers like steam cards, or a new hat in TF2.

They have become fat, lazy and complacent.

:-/

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2014/1/2/breaking-steam-and-origin-services-taken-down-by-hackers.aspx

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/11/valve-confirms-steam-hack-credit-cards-personal-info-may-be-stolen/

http://techland.time.com/2012/02/13/steam-hack-worse-than-thought-three-months-later/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielnyegriffiths/2011/11/10/steam-hacked-newell-watch-your-credit-card/

http://www.latinopost.com/articles/2745/20140103/two-separate-hacking-groups-take-down-steam-ea-servers.htm

@lundy86_4:

:-/

I cannot find any PC to console petitions that number more than 650,000 sigs, first and foremost. Find one, and start proving me wrong, cupcake. Otherwise, my point stands.

Do you know what the burden of proof is? If so, you may want to retract your statement.

@lundy86_4: I retract nothing. I've provided ample amount of evidence. It's in your best interest to admit that PC gamers petition in far greater number for console ports than vice versa. Provide evidence on the contrary, to contradict what I've provided, otherwise, this is how it stands. I'll be waiting.

You seem to only have provided evidence of petitions for console games to come to PC. If you are going to claim that PC gamers petition in far greater number than console gamers. You will need to find a good representation of the average number of signatures for each form of petition and then show out of all those signatures how many people identify as PC Gamers and how many identify as console gamers. Sounds like a lot of work so you best get to it

@lostrib: how long will it be before I'm proven wrong? A long time I assume. The burden is on PC gamers, now, to counter my evidence. You guys are a pretty confident lot though. Should be able to provide some contradicting evidence. Sitting back saying the burden is on me won't cut it, ma boy. I've provided evidence, you haven't so far. Conclusion, PC gamers petition in far greater numbers than console gamers.

Still waiting.

So you don't know what the burden of proof is. A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Still waiting for you to prove your claim: "PC gamers petition in far greater number for console ports than vice versa." You made a comparison claim that PC gamer petitions> console gamer petitions. You can't just give evidence for half a comparison and then claim it's correct. You have to show that there are a far greater number of PC gamers petitioning for games than console gamers. So do all those things I said above and you will have some very strong evidence for you case.

I'll wait

@lostrib: Already provided. Waiting for a counter. We're down to the wire here. PC status about to take a huge plunge. Hurry up.

Steam is DRM and DRM must die.

Consoles are DRM too , Origin, Uplay, Xbox live, PSN are all DRM methods

@ 04dcarraher

Ofcourse. But thats what you expect from a from a platform that can't be upgraded, has no mods and charges more cash despite the platform being easier to develope for than PC.

Thing I don't hate steam because its DRM, I hate it because its the only DRM I can't crack on my own, normally I but the game and download the crack, with steam, there is no crack, it better to just download the pre-cracked version and save myself the trouble.

I'm kind of curious as to why you need to crack a steam game? I can see why you'd do it with a disc based game as it means less hassle but with steam you don't need to put a disc in, you just need to sign in. That is literally no different to playing on a console or maybe slightly harder if you happen to share a PC.

Oh, what an amazing argument. It worked MOST OF THE TIME...

@ soulitane

Need to ? I didn't get into PC gaming for needs, I do it because I always considered it mine, despite what the EULA says I could do whatever I wanted with whatever I bought. Why do I have to sign in ? Why is there an app in my PC telling me what I can and can't do ? Its the Principal, the same principal many PC Gamers had before steam, I wonder what happend to them ?

I know one of'em (my brother's friend) actually stepped his game up and cracked his 360 and hasn't paid for a single one of his 81 games and doesn't have to deal with Micrsoft's bullsh!t no external media on their internal hard drive. Maybe the rest went to GOG, seems likely.

but thats for the digital guys, where did the retail PC costumer go ?

Why the hell does steam still sell retail games ? Thats the fucked up part. Some retail games like Football Manager and UT3 were atleast steam optional, now many of them are becoming steam mandatory.... In Retail !

I highly agree, EA is pretty much 50-50 when it comes down to it. They really need to have something that requires them to actually finish or at least update/patch a game within a certain amount of time cause I do have some games from EA from almost a year ago that have yet to get any updates.

So then what are you complaining about then? It seems more like you're complaining for the sake of it rather than for any logical reasons. What exactly is wrong with steam? It allows you to play most of your games without a disc or a need to crack it. The games are often much cheaper than at retail allowing the developers to make more money due to the lower cost as more people are willing to dip their feet in if it doesn't cost them much. Apart from a select few games it's more or less as if there is no DRM as long as you're signed into steam (which is done as you turn on your PC). To me it more seems like you don't like any sort of change.

Your brother's friend sounds like an idiot to be honest. It more sounds like he needs to rationalise why he pirates games rather than doing it for some stupid moral reason.

They went online, why would they go in store when legitimate PC games cost a lot in a lot of foreign markets. Steam and other DD stores make legitimate games cheaper and thus more accessible in these markets and in more common markets such as the States. It also is the move to the digital age which just about every other medium is embracing too (books, movies, music etc).

It's the developers choice, it seems they prefer using steam rather than other more intrusive forms of DRM such as GFWL. DRM will be there regardless and more people prefer steam so why wouldn't they use it?

The thing about PC gaming is that it's an open platform for any game designers out there, you could make a game tomorrow and get it on PC by the next day, thats the greatness of gaming on PC finding little gems, what I don't agree with is this silly early access rubbish there doing I mean it's no secret half the games are completely broken and hardly work and are quite rubbish to be fair and are charging £20 here in the UK not sure about in the US, but that needs to be sorted, but you take the good with the rubbish on pc thats all.

@ soulitane

Well Duh ! I though that was obvious.

Any way three of my Retail games were DRM free, no Codes no Disk needed. One of which I could actually play online :D

I like discs, they're disks.

Also the burden of distrobution is now shifted from the developers to the consumer, unless you got free internet then lucky you, you genuinely are not paying for distrobution, but if you don't have free internet then the money you wouldve paid to get the game distrobuted in retail now just becomes part of your monthly fee to your ISP , ofcourse if you already got unlimited internet then you won't notice the difference, if not then you will notice it as Rockstar makes bigger games (hence Why I don't use GOG). My country's internet infrustructure is way above the working mans paygrade (hence retail, hence retail steam games are just insulting) the summer sales are useless for people with limited caps mind you 10 GB a month is $19. I got the 1st 3 Assassin's Creed games at retail for $20, ofcourse brand new they were $40 (which is cool for a franchise and genre you're familiar with) each but after a year they're less than half that (which is cool for trying something new).

No single console has GTA4, Mario Galaxy, and MGS4 (Metal Gear Solid). The PC, however, does have virtually everybuilding,strategy, and space sim EXCLUSIVE to the platform.

Also, what an odd group of games for you to pick. No PC gamer has ever been up awake at night wishing they had either MG or MGS4 on PC.

If "quality" is measured by how long gamers play games, and how much fun they have playing them, then the PC obliterates consoles. The end.

While you probably realize you are wasting your time, you may not appreciate how far back people like him are.

I used to work a couple hours at a convenience store, and it shocked me how poor most people's reading ablilites are.

"Buy a sandwich get a coffee for 79 cents" "HEY BRO YOUR SIGN SAYS THE SANDWICH IS 79 CENTS THAT'S FALSE ADVERTISING!!!"

"SAVE $2.00. $3.50 each. Regular $5.50" "HEY BRO YOUR SIGN SAYS IT IS $2.00 THAT'S FALSE ADVERTISING!!!"

1 We are comparing consoles to pc not a single console to pc. Even if i did consoles still have 1 AAAAE while pc has zero. Please don't change the subject.

2 No true Scotsman fallacy

3 who said anything about how long games are?

Steam is a marketplace. Do you hold Gamestop, or similar physical retail outlets, accountable for the quality of the software they sell?

It seems to be going both ways. Console games going to the PC and PC games going to the Consoles.

I use Steam to get cheap PC games of well known games. I haven't bought a single green light game.

Dude, stop wasting your time. You are preaching to a moronic troll (assuming he really isn't that stupid).

The people saying that quality doesn't matter in a market place are wrong. Just look at Xbox Live Indie games. At first, it was a creative platform for indie developers to create unique and interesting games. However, the amount of crap games that filled the system overshadowed the few quality gems the system spawned.

I do find it unpleasant that they will sell the same buggy games from 20 years ago without fixing the bugs.

WE are not doing anything. You have invented the most absurd category (AAAAE) OF ONE GAMEPER CONSOLE in order to claim console games are higher quality. A high rating let's you know the reviewer felt it was significantly better than other games on the platform.

How long a gamer plays a game, and how much fun a gamer has while playing it, are what determine whether a game is "good". Having a lot of fun with a game for 10 hours and then selling it back to GameStop does not make it a good game. And what's really sad, is that even on consoles, the "good" games - mainly fighting and driving games - often end up with lower ratings than those cutscene-laden-one-playthrough games that GameSpot seems to shower with praise.

I never expect much from trolls. Sometimes it's fun to poke at them to see if they can actually prove their point

Ignorant comments like that discredit your own opinion and show just how you are incapable of having a proper discussion. I don't agree with everything Jim Sterling says, but the man is a credited reviewer and has been in the industry for quite awhile. I'm willing to bet he probable knows more about the industry on a bad day than a no named little punk like you has acquired in his entire existence, so show some ****ing respect if that's possible for you to do................

Can't say I've ever had a problem running a game off of Steam.

PC gamers know that some older games may need some coaxing to get working with newer OSs. Steam isn't an PS3 you can't just stick in the disc and expect it to work.

Plus being able to buy a 6 month old game for $5 while it costs $40 on a console more than makes up for having to look up a minor fix online.

I'm happy if my opinion to you is worthless. i've got my opinions and they shouldn't affect you anyway.

and jim sterling's opinion is worthless to me, i've read his stuff before. he is just another playstation supporter.

and you quote mined my post, purposefully omitting the part where i talk about potential for a proper discussion. i'm glad you got brutalized in this thread.

Yeah and the PC games don't have that? Did you watch the video? As far as Quality Control goes Consoles are killing PC games, half those games on steam look like the PS 2 would be ashamed of them.

You don't even lie good. Jim sterling is primarily a PC supporter anyone that even occasionally watches his stuff would know that which is why his Steam video is so bitterly sweet. In fact one of the things I disagree with him about is his preference to PC gaming. You undermined your own post by being a disrespectful ignorant little twat, which eliminated all possibility of having a proper discussion, not that you ever intended to have one to begin with anyway.