Stupid Bioware, Mass Effect framerate is bad, and it got downgraded.

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#51 NGG123
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This sort of reminds me when xbox 360 fans were ragging on lair for the frame rate problems during tgs. The fps will be fixed..
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#52 Sooshy
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[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Gears had frame rate issues for what seemed like weeks before launch, but they got cleared up.Einhanderkiller
During my playthrough of Gears of War, the frame rate would get a bit sporadic is some areas and it would stutter in others.

Weird, the only time I noticed a frame rate drop was when a cut scene was playing.
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#53 fahadq8
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frame rate or no frame rate im hyping this game aaa
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#54 magus-21
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This sort of reminds me when xbox 360 fans were ragging on lair for the frame rate problems during tgs. The fps will be fixed..NGG123
Personally, I was ragging on Lair because the gameplay demos just sucked, but that's just me.
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#55 godhandiscen
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If Mass Effect had a framerate as good as Gears, then I can be a happy gamer. This title has been hyped to infinity. I am seriously expecting nothing short of greatness from this title. If the graphics are subpar, I know I will be pissed. I want to lie to myself that I wont be, but then again I am the kind of graphics whore who sold his second car to buy an HDTV. Do you get what I am saying? 
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#56 LabWarrior1
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lemms are calling this game the best looking game yet, yeah right.GermanShepard06

Because ... it is ?? And of course it is, show us a better looking rpg on PS3 then or pc, FF13 characters look like PS1 comparing to the detail, shaders and lighting of Mass Effect models

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#57 BloodTorment1
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If Mass Effect had a framerate as good as Gears, then I can be a happy gamer. This title has been hyped to infinity. I am seriously expecting nothing short of greatness from this title. If the graphics are subpar, I know I will be pissed. I want to lie to myself that I wont be, but then again I am the kind of graphics whore who sold his secondcar to buy an HDTV. Do you get what I am saying? godhandiscen

:shock:

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#58 fahadq8
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The game looks great. The lightning effect when Shepherd shot a space zombie with a shotgun looked fantastic as it danced around the screen. Perhaps the most impressive looking bit was the adept's conjured barrier that provided both cover and a clean view of the field ahead. The texture work and visual flair that was added do a great service towards drawing the player into the immediate world, though the environmental detail and nice futuristic design lead the way. When we see a fully polished game later this year, everybody is in for a treat

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/770/770896p1.html

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[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]If Mass Effect had a framerate as good as Gears, then I can be a happy gamer. This title has been hyped to infinity. I am seriously expecting nothing short of greatness from this title. If the graphics are subpar, I know I will be pissed. I want to lie to myself that I wont be, but then again I am the kind of graphics whore who sold his secondcar to buy an HDTV. Do you get what I am saying? BloodTorment1

:shock:


What? I had no use for my second car. After I got my Camaro I was set. But yeah, I sold that car, and bought an HDTV among other gaming goodies.
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#60 Dr_DudeMan
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I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

godhandiscen
First off it hasnt been downgraded, thats confirmed. Second off, most optimization occurs in the final three months. So stop whining. Girl gamers are so funny.
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#61 DaddyDC650
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I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

godhandiscen
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(
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#62 BloodTorment1
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[QUOTE="BloodTorment1"]

[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]If Mass Effect had a framerate as good as Gears, then I can be a happy gamer. This title has been hyped to infinity. I am seriously expecting nothing short of greatness from this title. If the graphics are subpar, I know I will be pissed. I want to lie to myself that I wont be, but then again I am the kind of graphics whore who sold his secondcar to buy an HDTV. Do you get what I am saying? godhandiscen

:shock:


What? I had no use for my second car. After I got my Camaro I was set. But yeah, I sold that car, and bought an HDTV among other gaming goodies.

Oh, I thought you actually needed the car:P Good idea!:wink::)

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#63 mc2k4
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The power of the cell would handle such a tactful task quite essentially.
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[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

DaddyDC650
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

DaddyDC650
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

Only retarded lemmings would stop hyping this game, since it will probably be game of the year. I am not a lemming either, have all systems and a gaming pc. But I am definitly most hyped for Mass Effect. Bioware is also one of the most consistant developers, so anyone that hasnt been gaming long enough to know this will be unpleasantly surprised when all their bashing of Mass Effect was for naught.
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#65 godhandiscen
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[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

Dr_DudeMan
First off it hasnt been downgraded, thats confirmed. Second off, most optimization occurs in the final three months. So stop whining. Girl gamers are so funny.


Who the F*^&# said I was a girl. Thats my wife in the pic.
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#66 mc2k4
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Only retarded lemmings would stop hyping this game, since it will not be game of the year (MGS4). I am not a lemming either, have all systems and a gaming pc. But I am definitly most hyped for Mass Effect. Bioware is also one of the most consistant developers, so anyone that hasnt been gaming long enough to know this will be unpleasantly surprised when all their bashing of Mass Effect was for naught.Dr_DudeMan


Fixed.  You're welcome, sit down.
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#67 fahadq8
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[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

Dr_DudeMan
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

DaddyDC650

LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

Only retarded lemmings would stop hyping this game, since it will probably be game of the year. I am not a lemming either, have all systems and a gaming pc. But I am definitly most hyped for Mass Effect. Bioware is also one of the most consistant developers, so anyone that hasnt been gaming long enough to know this will be unpleasantly surprised when all their bashing of Mass Effect was for naught.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/770/770896p1.html

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#68 ps3gen
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I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

godhandiscen


they did have problem fitting the game into one disk..lol..mass effect cant do 30fps im not suprised..
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#69 omarguy01
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gears of war had crappy framerates n look how that turned out. they fixed it
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#70 godhandiscen
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The power of the cell would handle such a tactful task even worse. So be happy that you lemgods are at least getting it in some form.mc2k4

Fixed. :wink: 2 can play this game.
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#71 DaddyDC650
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[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

Dr_DudeMan
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

DaddyDC650
LoL! I guess lemmings won't be hyping this game as much as they used to. Anyway, I noticed the "stuttering" in some Mass Effect videos but I thought it was my connection. Guess I was wrong. =(

Only retarded lemmings would stop hyping this game, since it will probably be game of the year. I am not a lemming either, have all systems and a gaming pc. But I am definitly most hyped for Mass Effect. Bioware is also one of the most consistant developers, so anyone that hasnt been gaming long enough to know this will be unpleasantly surprised when all their bashing of Mass Effect was for naught.

Who said lemmings would stop hyping the game? I said that they probably won't be hyping it as much as they were before...... I own a 360 myself but the game really doesn't seem too appealing to me.
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#72 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

shungokustasu
Framerate don't matter. It's the story that counts. LMAO that what the lemmings will say...



KOTOR had a bad framerate yet it was one of the best RPG games to date.  Anyway as long as they get it locked at 30 FPS it should be fine.
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#73 mc2k4
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[QUOTE="mc2k4"]The power of the cell would handle such a tactful task even worse. So be happy that you lemgods are at least getting it in some form.godhandiscen

Fixed. :wink: 2 can play this game.



*Yawn*  I'm going to bed now.
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#74 supermechakirby
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I see no downgrade just cows really trying to reach for some damage
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#75 Kahuna_1
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you guys shouldnt even worry...you get to have KOTOR 3, im so jealous, im hoping ill have my new pc by spring 08
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#76 godhandiscen
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

justforlotr2004
Framerate don't matter. It's the story that counts. LMAO that what the lemmings will say...



KOTOR had a bad framerate yet it was one of the best RPG games to date. Anyway as long as they get it locked at 30 FPS it should be fine.


Yes, but ME doesnt seem as innovative as Kotor.
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#77 Deamon321
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[QUOTE="godhandiscen"]

I had a bad feeling not everything could be good news. Yeah, I am a graphics whore, and with such a little time before release, if the game cant hit 30fps it is obvious it just wont. @#$%%~!

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157785

shungokustasu
Framerate don't matter. It's the story that counts. LMAO that what the lemmings will say...

what do u mena framerate dont matter n00b??? Id rather have my bf2 all on low and have 100 fps than haev it on hi wid 30 fps anyday.
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#78 Deamon321
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you guys shouldnt even worry...you get to have KOTOR 3, im so jealous, im hoping ill have my new pc by spring 08Kahuna_1
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#79 dru26
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After reading both articles from 1up and IGN, I think people are jumping to too many conclusions. IGN didn't even mention any slowdown, and 1up stated that what they saw could be fixed, I wouldn't be too worried.
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#80 ps3gen
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lol at cows...that's why the game is still in development...i'd join in and bash it with you if it was released in its current state but alas it is not, and i have no doubt bioware will have the problems fixed by releasemwa


why is that its struggling to run it at 30 frame per second?? i thought the 360 can do it easily..lol..
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#81 obi_kenobi24
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Did you guys not see my post where Bioware responded to the 1up article??? Bioware Responds To the 1up Preview; Quote: We're actually pretty proud of the eyes in Mass Effect, so I think it was just a mistake or something. If there was anything wrong with them, it would have had to be specific to that build (minor problems do arise from time to time). As far as the frame rate and such "minor quibbles", what the folks at GDC saw was a build of the game. It wasn't some special build made to show off progress or hype up a particular feature. It was what gets made daily around here. Sometimes the builds work great, sometimes they have a few small flaws, sometimes they explode like supernovas sending the team into hysterics trying to fix it. These things happen. Generally the game gets better and better with each passing build (barring Nova-type builds, but these get fixed darned fast). The game is not optimized yet (as mentioned). It will still get multiple layers of polish and optimization before you fans get your hands on it. Personally, I'm really pleased that the only thing 1Up could find to complain about was stuff that I know will be fixed before we ship the game. They are well aware of these little problems and their whole dev time left is pretty much just polishing
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#82 rexoverbey
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I guess the TC failed to read this part of the link he provided....

The only areas where Mass Effect currently suffers (keep in mind this is still an early build, with much optimization left before the game ships) are the direct result of how impressively it succeeds. IGN

Remember when everyone freaked because Gears had framerate issues.  Even gamespot commented on that (Jeff Gerstmann) and then it ended up fine.

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#83 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]mind posting the part where they talked about framerate issues?D0wnfall1


And while we've been assured that the game is supposed to end up locked at 30 frames per second, right now it isn't hitting that. When the camera pans, there's some stuttering, some of the animations aren't quite complete and during the combat sequences we noticed some sputtering, as well.

It's in there.

I guess that confirms it won't be on PS3 :lol:

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#84 godhandiscen
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I guess the TC failed to read this part of the link he provided.... [quote="IGN"]The only areas where Mass Effect currently suffers (keep in mind this is still an early build, with much optimization left before the game ships) are the direct result of how impressively it succeeds. rexoverbey

Remember when everyone freaked because Gears had framerate issues. Even gamespot commented on that (Jeff Gerstmann) and then it ended up fine.


Wasnt the article by 1up? Also, game journalists know crap about game development. With 2-3 months to go, there is too little time to fix the framerate. You have to take in consideration, that the last month and a half is just bug testing, printing disks, and shipping to retailers. Therefore, there is only one more month to optimize the code. I am a programmer, and I really feel bad for the Bioware guys right now. They will have a month working from 8:00 AM to 10:00 PM. And even then, to optimize the code may not be even possible. So they either downgrade the visual, which I doubt, or leave the framerate with problems. Remeber the Oblivion team? How they said they were gonna fix the framerate? Well, goes to show you that it is not always possible to do it.
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#85 SeanBond
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Don't worry, Sony fanboys, you're laughing at the 360 and its owners due to the the "framerate issues" Mass Effect has now, but I'm sure someone with a 360 will be more than happy to let you play the final game for yourself when it comes out. That is, unless you're still too busy trying to figure out how to make Motorstorm work in splitscreen, or perhaps wondering where the "4-D graphics" switch is on your PS3...:wink:

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#86 WilliamRLBaker
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I see no downgrade... as well you need too read the article better they say early build...as well as slight shuttering. thats expected in an early before beta build of a game as well spight shuttering does not=bad frame rate your blowing whats in that article way out of perortion. and game journalist know dip about game development? wow....you just lost all respect in my eyes and your opinion no longer carries any weight.
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#88 Chu-Fye
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Remember when Cows called Gears Jaggires Of War? Its desperation.. just wait till the final product!!!
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#89 danneswegman
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lemms are calling this game the best looking game yet, yeah right.GermanShepard06
could be for consoles, but if the framerate is super low, it's of no use to make the visuals beautifull... framerate is really important to me. But there is ni denying the game looks good. let's not fall in to damage control allready shall we.
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#90 sxs_alex
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if framerates will be too low then the developers will have to downgrade the graphics.
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#91 danneswegman
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if framerates will be too low then the developers will have to downgrade the graphics. sxs_alex
yep
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#92 Mass_Effect
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Why do people want this game just because of the graphics? Bioware don't normally release games with ground breaking graphics, they just make games with brilliant gameplay. And also, I'm sure Chris Priestly on the Bioware forums said the frame rate will be tweaked closer to the end of development
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#93 MrGrimFandango
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Did you guys not see my post where Bioware responded to the 1up article??? Bioware Responds To the 1up Preview; Quote: We're actually pretty proud of the eyes in Mass Effect, so I think it was just a mistake or something. If there was anything wrong with them, it would have had to be specific to that build (minor problems do arise from time to time). As far as the frame rate and such "minor quibbles", what the folks at GDC saw was a build of the game. It wasn't some special build made to show off progress or hype up a particular feature. It was what gets made daily around here. Sometimes the builds work great, sometimes they have a few small flaws, sometimes they explode like supernovas sending the team into hysterics trying to fix it. These things happen. Generally the game gets better and better with each passing build (barring Nova-type builds, but these get fixed darned fast). The game is not optimized yet (as mentioned). It will still get multiple layers of polish and optimization before you fans get your hands on it. Personally, I'm really pleased that the only thing 1Up could find to complain about was stuff that I know will be fixed before we ship the game. They are well aware of these little problems and their whole dev time left is pretty much just polishingobi_kenobi24

Hmm, thats good. I might have to walk down to Bioware tomorrow and give them heck :P or pay them $20 to show me some exclusive goods.

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#94 darklord888
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]mind posting the part where they talked about framerate issues?D0wnfall1


And while we've been assured that the game is supposed to end up locked at 30 frames per second, right now it isn't hitting that. When the camera pans, there's some stuttering, some of the animations aren't quite complete and during the combat sequences we noticed some sputtering, as well.

It's in there.

It's called optimization. That is where they're at now in development so just going into. Guess what? It probably has about 500 bugs too at this point. They'll fix it. Kotor ran perfectly(atleast the first did but they didn't work on the second).
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#96 Mass_Effect
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]Why do people want this game just because of the graphics? Bioware don't normally release games with ground breaking graphics, they just make games with brilliant gameplay. And also, I'm sure Chris Priestly on the Bioware forums said the frame rate will be tweaked closer to the end of developmentflamingschmoes2
I understand, but when you release many E3 videos boasting tof how advanced the graphics are, you have an obligation as a developer to stick to your claims and stay as close to your target videos. Otherwise don't boast in the first place. but Bioware responded that they will fix it, so this restores hope

Bioware are showing off the graphics, which is OK because it is a good looking game. But people should stop hyping this game solely because of its graphics; its a Bioware game. KOTOR had pretty poor graphics when it was released, but that didn't stop it from being the best RPG on the Xbox

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#97 StealthSting
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[QUOTE="flamingschmoes2"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]Why do people want this game just because of the graphics? Bioware don't normally release games with ground breaking graphics, they just make games with brilliant gameplay. And also, I'm sure Chris Priestly on the Bioware forums said the frame rate will be tweaked closer to the end of developmentMass_Effect

I understand, but when you release many E3 videos boasting tof how advanced the graphics are, you have an obligation as a developer to stick to your claims and stay as close to your target videos. Otherwise don't boast in the first place. but Bioware responded that they will fix it, so this restores hope

Bioware are showing off the graphics, which is OK because it is a good looking game. But people should stop hyping this game solely because of its graphics; its a Bioware game. KOTOR had pretty poor graphics when it was released, but that didn't stop it from being the best RPG on the Xbox

People are not hyping this game just because of its graphics. We may have different opinions on this, but I always have been overwhelmed by the game in the graphics department and like flamingschmoes2 said they promised quite alot of stuff with this title, so......... Why not deliver the goods on all fronts? It would certainly not bother me.
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#99 godhandiscen
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Did you guys not see my post where Bioware responded to the 1up article??? Bioware Responds To the 1up Preview; Quote: We're actually pretty proud of the eyes in Mass Effect, so I think it was just a mistake or something. If there was anything wrong with them, it would have had to be specific to that build (minor problems do arise from time to time). As far as the frame rate and such "minor quibbles", what the folks at GDC saw was a build of the game. It wasn't some special build made to show off progress or hype up a particular feature. It was what gets made daily around here. Sometimes the builds work great, sometimes they have a few small flaws, sometimes they explode like supernovas sending the team into hysterics trying to fix it. These things happen. Generally the game gets better and better with each passing build (barring Nova-type builds, but these get fixed darned fast). The game is not optimized yet (as mentioned). It will still get multiple layers of polish and optimization before you fans get your hands on it. Personally, I'm really pleased that the only thing 1Up could find to complain about was stuff that I know will be fixed before we ship the game. They are well aware of these little problems and their whole dev time left is pretty much just polishingobi_kenobi24

Wow, I totally missed this. I am confident about this game again. Thank you. Could you link me to it?

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[QUOTE="flamingschmoes2"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]Why do people want this game just because of the graphics? Bioware don't normally release games with ground breaking graphics, they just make games with brilliant gameplay. And also, I'm sure Chris Priestly on the Bioware forums said the frame rate will be tweaked closer to the end of developmentMass_Effect

I understand, but when you release many E3 videos boasting tof how advanced the graphics are, you have an obligation as a developer to stick to your claims and stay as close to your target videos. Otherwise don't boast in the first place. but Bioware responded that they will fix it, so this restores hope

Bioware are showing off the graphics, which is OK because it is a good looking game. But people should stop hyping this game solely because of its graphics; its a Bioware game. KOTOR had pretty poor graphics when it was released, but that didn't stop it from being the best RPG on the Xbox

watch the walktrough demo http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11790&type=mov&pl=game or download: http://www.gametrailers.com/downloadnew.php?id=11790&type=mov&f= it's not just graphics. if you played KOTOR you wouldn't have even said such a silly thing. But i agree the grasphics are great too