Sub-HD FTW: Metal Gear Online = 665p

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Resolution is more important when dealing with Computer Monitors. Not important when using televisions.TMontana1004

Is this the new damage controle now?

Nah he's actually right. I don't think Deihmos is even a Sony fanboy.

But comon, it's just as important. It's like saying I rather play on 480i TV instead of 1080p HDTV.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!donwoogie

Was Halo 3 good looking? Nope

Was it a fun game? Yes

Graphics do not always determine the game child!

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

thrones

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

Shame alot of games on both consoles aren't HD either :|

And that's why it shouldn't be used as a selling point.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

Bebi_vegeta

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

Shame alot of games on both consoles aren't HD either :|

And that's why it shouldn't be used as a selling point.

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Resolution is more important when dealing with Computer Monitors. Not important when using televisions.Bebi_vegeta

Is this the new damage controle now?

Nah he's actually right. I don't think Deihmos is even a Sony fanboy.

But comon, it's just as important. It's like saying I rather play on 480i TV instead of 1080p HDTV.

It's an important factor but not a defining factor.

1024x768 is not 665p. Especially with 2xAA anamorphic renderingAlways-Honest

Same # of pixels.

[QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

Bebi_vegeta

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

i don't get this you can watch blu-ray movies. can't some games be unscaled to 1080. i don't have an high-def tv so i don't really know anything about this. but i can tell the difference between dvd and blu-ray on my tv. it called hype everyone does it and it still works even know. as for the games isn't it up to the developer. i mean its only been a year. also this sony promised me thing is getting out of hand. i mean its like sony your mother and your mad because she didn't take you to the zoo because she had to work. its not a big deal.

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

megaton3k

I thought the 360 and PS3 were supposed to be HD gaming consoles. They are advertised that way...what happened?

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]if tis 665P that means guns of the patriots the single player should be true 720p and if it is awesome i can live with that.AmyMizuno

All I can say is wait and see.

every online game has been like that halo 3 has been like that most of the games I've played it looks worst online hell gears scaled lower in resolution for online play. And now MGO is a completely separate game then the actual Metal Gear Solid Single player it will make it even easier for them to be-able to do this I guarantee we get a higher resolution in the single player.

if tis 665P that means guns of the patriots the single player should be true 720p and if it is awesome i can live with that.Nolan16

Isn't 1024x768 resolution 4:3 picture format? If so then a 16:9 TV would stretch the image to fit the screen making the game look weird and stretched out.Supafly1

It automatically upscales to 1080p, so i'm fine. The graphics arn't amazing to begin with, but I expect Guns of the Patriots to blow me away.Couth_

So you are fine if you use an upscaler with Wii? That doesn't change the actual 480p resolution of Wii.

Isn't 1024x768 resolution 4:3 picture format? If so then a 16:9 TV would stretch the image to fit the screen making the game look weird and stretched out.Supafly1

No, the image looks compressed horizontally when it's first rendered. Then when it's "stretched" to 16:9, it looks normal.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]It automatically upscales to 1080p, so i'm fine. The graphics arn't amazing to begin with, but I expect Guns of the Patriots to blow me away.RK-Mara

So you are fine if you use an upscaler with Wii? That doesn't change the actual 480p resolution of Wii.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Isn't 1024x768 resolution 4:3 picture format? If so then a 16:9 TV would stretch the image to fit the screen making the game look weird and stretched out.mjarantilla

No, the image looks compressed horizontally when it's first rendered. Then when it's "stretched" to 16:9, it looks normal.

Oh, and I should note that most plasma TVs 42" and under are 1024x768, they just use rectangular pixels.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

thrones

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

Shame alot of games on both consoles aren't HD either :|

You're missing the point, Sony guaranteed and promised dual 1080p and 120fps frames, it was one of their selling points for the PS3. MS never made such claims. Cows bash Halo 3 for not having real HD resolutions, and now they're accepting that the biggest PS3 game ever, MGS4 and MGO are not full HD resolutions. Ouch.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

ReverseCycology

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

Shame alot of games on both consoles aren't HD either :|

You're missing the point, Sony guaranteed and promised dual 1080p and 120fps frames, it was one of their selling points for the PS3. MS never made such claims. Cows bash Halo 3 for not having real HD resolutions, and now they're accepting that the biggest PS3 game ever, MGS4 and MGO are not full HD resolutions. Ouch.

No, MS just claimed HD. IMO, just as bad when your best looking games either have performance issues or run at sub-HD resolutions.

pshaw. My TV is natively 768p....and I never run anything in 1080i cause of the flicker. 720p ftw. So no biggie.dxmcat

your tv cant do 1080i anyways . it jsut takes the signal and down scales it from 1920x1080 to 1366x768p

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="megaton3k"]

576P? 665P? WTF? Were counting pixels now? I think we as gamers have fallen into a new low.

ReverseCycology

If only Sony didn't promissed me things like HD ready console... hey I wouldn't of mind.

Shame alot of games on both consoles aren't HD either :|

You're missing the point, Sony guaranteed and promised dual 1080p and 120fps frames, it was one of their selling points for the PS3. MS never made such claims. Cows bash Halo 3 for not having real HD resolutions, and now they're accepting that the biggest PS3 game ever, MGS4 and MGO are not full HD resolutions. Ouch.

What do you expect? You can't change it can you. Only a fanboy would go crazy and try and believe that after they got their hands on the console.

Wait, 665p and a "solid" 30fps? Since when was 30fps solid at that res? 30FPS is pretty low for that.death1505921

CoD4/Halo 3 runs around that res and that FPS :|

MGS 4 single player should be full 720pHD we will see but iam sure it will be.Nolan16

We can only hope, not that anyone will notice the difference anyway amirite?

Wait, 665p and a "solid" 30fps? Since when was 30fps solid at that res? 30FPS is pretty low for that.death1505921

30 FPS is perfectly acceptable. It isn't buttery smooth, but it certainly isn't a slide show. Let's take what we can get here. This is pretty indicative of what the final MGS4 product will look and play like if you ask me.

[QUOTE="death1505921"]Wait, 665p and a "solid" 30fps? Since when was 30fps solid at that res? 30FPS is pretty low for that.thrones

CoD4/Halo 3 runs around that res and that FPS :|

And I brought CoD4 and halo 3 in to this where?

In all seriousness, with people spouting how powerfull the PS3 is, and how it's "awesome" CPU how the hell is it running at 30fps at that res? You must all know a CPU makes a bigger deal vs a GPU at lower res.

The textures/graphics arn't exactly something to write home about either, that is pathetic.

30 frames per second. 1024x768 native. And a texture quality that is absolutely horrific. BoxOffice 3 at work. TekkenMaster606

I thought the textures look all right in motion...

Anyway, you kept on going about how it was 500p or something :P

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]30 frames per second. 1024x768 native. And a texture quality that is absolutely horrific. BoxOffice 3 at work. thrones

I thought the textures look all right in motion...

Anyway, you kept on going about how it was 500p or something :P

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]30 frames per second. 1024x768 native. And a texture quality that is absolutely horrific. BoxOffice 3 at work. Egghead360

I thought the textures look all right in motion...

Anyway, you kept on going about how it was 500p or something :P

I dunno, maybe it's easier to go over the internets with 30FPS or something... I honestly can't see why they can't imho.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]30 frames per second. 1024x768 native. And a texture quality that is absolutely horrific. BoxOffice 3 at work. Egghead360

I thought the textures look all right in motion...

Anyway, you kept on going about how it was 500p or something :P

This is a good point. If you are going to lower the resolution than bump up the FPS, I mean even if it is 40-50 instead of 60...its still alot better than 30.

:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!BioShockOwnz

Kojima, you son of a *****! im still loyal to his work and the MGS series tho. I think that is what he meant when he said he is not satisfied, because for the last few months, they kept hinting, but not directly stating that the game would run at full 1080p 60fps. he had to reduce the resolution 1. to get it to fit on the disc and 2. the ps3 couldnt run that smoothly enough. As for #1, I would not have cared one bit to get up, and walk 7 feet, change a disc, and sit back down, in a matter of 6 seconds, and have my full resolution, would you too have minded doing that?!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!EmperorSupreme

Halo got slammed because they hyped the crap out of the graphics. They said it would be the best game graphically on consoles, they also showed the CGI footage at E3 06 and said it was in-game, then they advertised it as 1080p. All that added to why Halo got slammed for graphics which it deserved.

Metal Gear has been hyped as well, but not for it's graphics.

Bungie never "hyped the crap out of the graphics", they even said to EGM in one of their previews they weren't trying to make the next Gears of War because that wasn't practical within the art style they were going for. And as far as them saying it would be the best looking game on consoles? Where? Do you have a link to prove that?

The E3 06 footage was not CGI, it was in game. Behind closed doors at E3 06, they showed off the game to the press, showing the Master Chief running around within the environment seen in the trailer. But don't take my word for it, take GameSpot's.

Third, Halo 3 was never advertised as native 1080p. Bungie themselves even said the game would not run in native 1080p before the game launched. Check the link.

And as far as Metal Gear not being hyped for it's graphics, :lol:. You must not have been around these parts very long.

I dunno, maybe it's easier to go over the internets with 30FPS or something... I honestly can't see why they can't imho.

thrones

This is a good point. If you are going to lower the resolution than bump up the FPS, I mean even if it is 40-50 instead of 60...its still alot better than 30.

TheSystemLord1

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!The_Game21x

Halo got slammed because they hyped the crap out of the graphics. They said it would be the best game graphically on consoles, they also showed the CGI footage at E3 06 and said it was in-game, then they advertised it as 1080p. All that added to why Halo got slammed for graphics which it deserved.

Metal Gear has been hyped as well, but not for it's graphics.

Bungie never "hyped the crap out of the graphics", they even said to EGM in one of their previews they weren't trying to make the next Gears of War because that wasn't practical within the art style they were going for. And as far as them saying it would be the best looking game on consoles? Where? Do you have a link to prove that?

The E3 06 footage was not CGI, it was in game. Behind closed doors at E3 06, they showed off the game to the press, showing the Master Chief running around within the environment seen in the trailer. But don't take my word for it, take GameSpot's.

Third, Halo 3 was never advertised as native 1080p. Bungie themselves even said the game would not run in native 1080p before the game launched. Check the link.

And as far as Metal Gear not being hyped for it's graphics, :lol:. You must not have been around these parts very long.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!Egghead360

Halo got slammed because they hyped the crap out of the graphics. They said it would be the best game graphically on consoles, they also showed the CGI footage at E3 06 and said it was in-game, then they advertised it as 1080p. All that added to why Halo got slammed for graphics which it deserved.

Metal Gear has been hyped as well, but not for it's graphics.

Bungie never "hyped the crap out of the graphics", they even said to EGM in one of their previews they weren't trying to make the next Gears of War because that wasn't practical within the art style they were going for. And as far as them saying it would be the best looking game on consoles? Where? Do you have a link to prove that?

The E3 06 footage was not CGI, it was in game. Behind closed doors at E3 06, they showed off the game to the press, showing the Master Chief running around within the environment seen in the trailer. But don't take my word for it, take GameSpot's.

Third, Halo 3 was never advertised as native 1080p. Bungie themselves even said the game would not run in native 1080p before the game launched. Check the link.

And as far as Metal Gear not being hyped for it's graphics, :lol:. You must not have been around these parts very long.

Yeah, personally I think it looks great.

[QUOTE="Egghead360"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: Oh man, lets see if the cows slam this like they did with Halo 3.:roll: Lets see some consistency, guys!The_Game21x

Halo got slammed because they hyped the crap out of the graphics. They said it would be the best game graphically on consoles, they also showed the CGI footage at E3 06 and said it was in-game, then they advertised it as 1080p. All that added to why Halo got slammed for graphics which it deserved.

Metal Gear has been hyped as well, but not for it's graphics.

Bungie never "hyped the crap out of the graphics", they even said to EGM in one of their previews they weren't trying to make the next Gears of War because that wasn't practical within the art style they were going for. And as far as them saying it would be the best looking game on consoles? Where? Do you have a link to prove that?

The E3 06 footage was not CGI, it was in game. Behind closed doors at E3 06, they showed off the game to the press, showing the Master Chief running around within the environment seen in the trailer. But don't take my word for it, take GameSpot's.

Third, Halo 3 was never advertised as native 1080p. Bungie themselves even said the game would not run in native 1080p before the game launched. Check the link.

And as far as Metal Gear not being hyped for it's graphics, :lol:. You must not have been around these parts very long.

Yeah, personally I think it looks great.

I think Halo 3 is the one game that I can confidently describe is little more than an HD version of its predecessor. I think they even reused the same human character models from Halo 2, because the ones in Halo 3 look terrible.

I wasnt "too" impressed by Halo 3, but i;m less impressed by MGS4.Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]I wasnt "too" impressed by Halo 3, but i;m less impressed by MGS4.Egghead360

Huge levels that you couldn't explore. I think people forget that part. Having those huge levels in Halo 3 rendered in-engine were functionally the same as the skymaps of Halo 2.