Super Mario Galaxy is still the best game so far this gen.

So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

I cannot talk for MGS4 as I have not played it, but GTA4 is one of my least favorite owned Xbox360 games. Halo, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Call of Duty 4, and even The Darkness are all preferable to GTA4 and all it's minigame gimmicks.

Super Mario Galaxy is awesome. I would be proud to place it alongside Call of Duty 4, Bioshock or Mass Effect as one of the greatest games this generation. Still need to play MGS4

I kinda miss that game. Even after beating it with both mario and luigi with 242 stars.

I love seeing Super Mario Galaxy, Halo 3, and MGS4 on my shelf. They don't fight eachother or anything. It's amazing.

Allow me to take issue with something you said, "industry-changing gameplay". I really wouldn't say SMG had industry changing gameplay. It changed the way you played the core Mario games for sure but I don't think we are going to get a bunch of gravity themed platformers in the near future because of it. No existing franchise can have industry changing gameplay. It takes a new IP to really have the freedom to do something like that. Mario will always have to jump platforms and collect stars. Halo 3 must always be a FPS and Snake will always have to sneak his way around enemies.

So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

Bigboi500

There is nothing new about the physics in SMG. Actually, the physics engine in SMG is pretty poor compared to most complex physics heavy games. There was nothing in SMG that had never been done in gaming before, just a few things that had not been done in a Mario platformer before.

If you enjoy it, good for you. If you think its the best thing since sliced bread, then thats your opinion, your welcome to it.

I'm just pointing out its not new, high tech, or innovative from a gameplay standpoint. That of course has nothing to do with how fun you may think it is, or is not. I was just correcting your statement about "never done before in a game." You should have wrote "never done before in a mario game."

If it wasn't for MGS4 I would completely agree with you.

SMG was much better than I had anticipated and went far, FAR beyond 'just another Mario game'. It really did deserve to win GOTY 2007 and rests as my 3rd favourite game of all time. (After MGS4 and RE4)

So, your basing your opinion off you playing smg yourself, despite all the negative comments, but you won't give mgs its praise because of from what you heard?Suicide your account, that's failure and hypocrisy....

From what I heard smg was a little kiddy game as epic as it is it was a good game...so, can the same go for me?Since i heard smg was a little kiddy game, let me take that opinion without playing it, but ignore what someone says about mgs4, and go ahead and say it's superior...that's fair right?Because that's basically what you've done...

You can't compare mgs and galaxy, anyone who says anyone of them are better is pure opinion, forget ratings, forget scores, forget everything, this is halo killzone, gt forza, or any of that, these are two COMPLETELY different games who couldn't be more different than one another in any way possible, nothing is similar on either of them, I'll tell you what, I've played Galaxy, but not mgs4, and galaxy was so insanely fun.The colors, the graphics/art style, wave riding on the stinger was so much fun, I played it briefly and had a freakin BLAST..the game was amazing..

So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

Bigboi500

I didnt even bother to read what you wrote there. I have only 1 thing to say.

Your opinion doesnt mean anything for others , only you. So keep it for yourself , or give serious reasons of why you thing SMG is the better than GTA4-MGS4 (except your personall preference ofc). Serious ones , not generally or personal opinions. Thats all.

I admit I've not played MGS IV

You may want to actually play it before saying any other game is better or worse than it. You know because forming opinion about a game based on other's opinions rather than playing it is silly.

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So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

evilross

There is nothing new about the physics in SMG. Actually, the physics engine in SMG is pretty poor compared to most complex physics heavy games. There was nothing in SMG that had never been done in gaming before, just a few things that had not been done in a Mario platformer before.

If you enjoy it, good for you. If you think its the best thing since sliced bread, then thats your opinion, your welcome to it.

I'm just pointing out its not new, high tech, or innovative from a gameplay standpoint. That of course has nothing to do with how fun you may think it is, or is not. I was just correcting your statement about "never done before in a game." You should have wrote "never done before in a mario game."

Games have reached a point where strong narrative elements have a huge impact on the overall experience. As a result, a game can have merely excellent (and not revolutionary) gameplay combined with narrative unrivalled in the medium, and get an exceptional score.

This shouldn't be as surprising to people as it seems to be.

I can tell you've never played MGS4. SMG is very, very good but it felt to me like Mario 64 in space. It would be nice to see Nintendo at least try to put together a form of quality story.

MGS4's first two chapters are some of the best, in recent memories, even from a fun factor perspective. The third so far is dragging a bit.

smg is one of the best games this gen. I also am enjoying MGS4. I don't know which I like better it almost like asking me which one of my kids I like better. They are both so good and haters of either are missing out.HarlockJC

If one of your kids grew up to be Mario and the other Solid Snake...admit it Snake would be your favorite :P

"Hey son....save that princess yet? I mean she keeps getting kidnapped and all."

"Way to go son...another metal gear vanquished. Good job. Have some rations!"

I can tell you've never played MGS4. SMG is very, very good but it felt to me like Mario 64 in space. It would be nice to see Nintendo at least try to put together a form of quality story.

MGS4's first two chapters are some of the best, in recent memories, even from a fun factor perspective. The third so far is dragging a bit.

dru26

Act 3's main mission is a throwback to MG2 on the MSX. Anyone here know what I'm talking about? Following the guard through the jungle?

An opinion I'd totally disagree wtih.

Don't get me wrong, I think SMG is a pretty good game...but it certainly does not have "industry-changing gameplay." Actually, I just consider it a new version of SM64 (and that's not a bad thing by any stretch to me).

uhh, no it isn't. MGS4 is a far better game in almost every term, although it is difficult to compare two different genre's of games.

SMG got good reviews around the block, no doubting it's a great game. but, if you look at the 8's and the 8.5's mgs4 is getting from sites like Eurogamer, they have ABSOLUTELY no idea what they're talking about. the reviews are Horrendous and the reviewers give terrible reasons for marking down the game. the only possible flaws that i can see are the install time. there's nothing really else wrong with the game that isn't based on opinion.

oh, and guess what i just noticed:

SMG

MGS

they have the same letters. that's cool

So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

Bigboi500

super mario galaxy is utter crap!! I shouldn't have bought in to the wii hype!

By "industry-changing" gameplay, I believe the TC meant that never before have we seen a physics engine do what SMG does. Yeah, go ahead bring up Crysis and other games with amazing physics, but are you running around small planets in those games? Each with their own gravitational pull? I Don't think so.

The developing in that physics engine for SMG must have taken so much time.

I brought my mom in to see the Good Egg Galaxy. I walked over to the edge and she was like "Yikes don't fall off." And I just totally did a leaping jump over the edge, being hauled around safely to the other side. It feels so good to do that.

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So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

Great_Ragnarok

super mario galaxy is utter crap!! I shouldn't have bought in to the wii hype!

I'd say its one of the best. I'd put it over GTAIV though, I havent played MGS4 so i can't judge.

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So what if GTA IV and MGS IV got tens here. Who cares outside of this small population of GS posters? SMG offered new physics never done before in a game. What did GTA IV bring new to the formula? Actually it removed tons of great gameplay from the series. I admit I've not played MGS IV but I've not heard of new and industry-changing gameplay from anybody, if it does please inform me of it.

All of this is just my opinion of course, so please feel free to add yours if you like.

AzatiS

I didnt even bother to read what you wrote there. I have only 1 thing to say.

Your opinion doesnt mean anything for others , only you. So keep it for yourself , or give serious reasons of why you thing SMG is the better than GTA4-MGS4 (except your personall preference ofc). Serious ones , not generally or personal opinions. Thats all.

then would you trust the opinions of reviewers? seeing how SMG is in the top 5 on GR, above GTA4 and MGS4. or is that not enough proof?

Super Mario Galaxy has been amazing.

From what I've played with MGS4, it's almost right up there where SMG is though.

I'll wait until I finish the game though

uhh, no it isn't. MGS4 is a far better game in almost every term, although it is difficult to compare two different genre's of games.

SMG got good reviews around the block, no doubting it's a great game. but, if you look at the 8's and the 8.5's mgs4 is getting from sites like Eurogamer, they have ABSOLUTELY no idea what they're talking about. the reviews are Horrendous and the reviewers give terrible reasons for marking down the game. the only possible flaws that i can see are the install time. there's nothing really else wrong with the game that isn't based on opinion.

oh, and guess what i just noticed:

SMG

MGS

they have the same letters. that's cool

mistervengeance

lol. that is interesting...

By "industry-changing" gameplay, I believe the TC meant that never before have we seen a physics engine do what SMG does. Yeah, go ahead bring up Crysis and other games with amazing physics, but are you running around small planets in those games? Each with their own gravitational pull? I Don't think so.

The developing in that physics engine for SMG must have taken so much time.

I brought my mom in to see the Good Egg Galaxy. I walked over to the edge and she was like "Yikes don't fall off." And I just totally did a leaping jump over the edge, being hauled around safely to the other side. It feels so good to do that.

wiretoss

Those physics have already been implemented in exactly the same way in other games, although maybe not for the entire duration of the game. A lot of sheep seem to be blinded by the Mario franchise and are unwilling to admit that, yes, the game has a lot of variety and is a lot of fun but is not "revolutionary" in the slightest. It's just another Mario platformer.

Well done there, you have a opinion in your hands.

Orange Box for me.

A lot of people will agree with you, a lot of people will disagree with you though :oops:, I will probably agree as I have never played a MGS game I liked more than any Mario platformers.csliney

Like I said I have not played MGS IV and probably never will because it just isn't my kind of game. I'm glad people are enjoying it though.

[QUOTE="csliney"]A lot of people will agree with you, a lot of people will disagree with you though :oops:, I will probably agree as I have never played a MGS game I liked more than any Mario platformers.Bigboi500

Like I said I have not played MGS IV and probably never will because it just isn't my kind of game. I'm glad people are enjoying it though.

You play Gears of War, GTA4, Assasins Creed, ect, how is MGS4 not your kind of game? It should be like your dream game.

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[QUOTE="csliney"]A lot of people will agree with you, a lot of people will disagree with you though :oops:, I will probably agree as I have never played a MGS game I liked more than any Mario platformers.Samurai_Xavier

Like I said I have not played MGS IV and probably never will because it just isn't my kind of game. I'm glad people are enjoying it though.

You play Gears of War, GTA4, Assasins Creed, ect, how is MGS4 not your kind of game? It should be like your dream game.

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[QUOTE="csliney"]A lot of people will agree with you, a lot of people will disagree with you though :oops:, I will probably agree as I have never played a MGS game I liked more than any Mario platformers.Bigboi500

Like I said I have not played MGS IV and probably never will because it just isn't my kind of game. I'm glad people are enjoying it though.

You play Gears of War, GTA4, Assasins Creed, ect, how is MGS4 not your kind of game? It should be like your dream game.

Thats one of the things I love about MGS games. You dont have to be stealthy if you dont want to. You can just shoot yourself through the whole game if you want to, of course, at certain points you do have to hide though. I havent played MGS4, but the reviews seem to say that in the game you can choose at all times whether to sneak past enemies or just shoot them, its your choice, and I love this freedom MGS gives.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="csliney"]A lot of people will agree with you, a lot of people will disagree with you though :oops:, I will probably agree as I have never played a MGS game I liked more than any Mario platformers.Samurai_Xavier

Like I said I have not played MGS IV and probably never will because it just isn't my kind of game. I'm glad people are enjoying it though.

You play Gears of War, GTA4, Assasins Creed, ect, how is MGS4 not your kind of game? It should be like your dream game.

Thats one of the things I love about MGS games. You dont have to be stealthy if you dont want to. You can just shoot yourself through the whole game if you want to, of course, at certain points you do have to hide though. I havent played MGS4, but the reviews seem to say that in the game you can choose at all times whether to sneak past enemies or just shoot them, its your choice, and I love this freedom MGS gives.

but i dont like the fact that the more you kill, the price goes up for weapons from drebin. i think they called it 'War Price'

Super Mario Galaxy is still the best game so far this gen. Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Super Mario Galaxy is still the best game so far this gen. Bubblehash

actually if you check metacritic and GR, you would notice that SMG has a higher rating than MGS4.

so its not just his opinion...