[QUOTE="Javy03"] If a game needs two Blu Rays it will most likely be for a very very good reason and when you think about how many DVDs that would be it would make Blu rays look even better. The truth is installing actually IMPROVES the way a game runs. Thats the biggest difference, not the saving time but the performance issue. Swapping disks improves or adds nothing but installing games helps how well a game runs. I guarantee if the 360 had a standard HDD it would have mandatory installs too.Trmpt
You know that you have to install the game because of blu ray right? The 360 doesnt have that problem.
There are plenty of games that have no install and run exactly the same on the PS3 as on the 360. COD 4, Blazblue and plenty of others had no install and run fine. In the end there is no denying that installs improve the loading times and the game's preformance. The 360 could benefit from some of this as well. Don't be surprised next gen when HDD are standard along with installs all around.
[QUOTE="Javy03"] In the end there is no denying that installs improve the loading times and the preformance of games that have difficulties with the slow reader. Fixed and expanded.
[QUOTE="Javy03"] If a game needs two Blu Rays it will most likely be for a very very good reason and when you think about how many DVDs that would be it would make Blu rays look even better. The truth is installing actually IMPROVES the way a game runs. Thats the biggest difference, not the saving time but the performance issue. Swapping disks improves or adds nothing but installing games helps how well a game runs. I guarantee if the 360 had a standard HDD it would have mandatory installs too.Javy03
You know that you have to install the game because of blu ray right? The 360 doesnt have that problem.
There are plenty of games that have no install and run exactly the same on the PS3 as on the 360. COD 4, Blazblue and plenty of others had no install and run fine. In the end there is no denying that installs improve the loading times and the game's preformance. The 360 could benefit from some of this as well. Don't be surprised next gen when HDD are standard along with installs all around. Hopefully there wont have to be ANY installs next gen for games on blu ray if they actually manage to increase the read speed of the drive.
[QUOTE="Javy03"] In the end there is no denying that installs improve the loading times and the preformance of games that have difficulties with the slow reader.IronBass
Fixed and expanded. Not just difficulties with a slow reader. DVD read speeds differ on different parts of the disk. If they need to pull alot of information and they have used up the limited space that reads quicker it can cause problems. Installing games makes games run smoother period. There is 0 benefit to disk swapping. Why are people even arguing this. Its not like the 360 couldnt benefit from installs.
To allow content that wouldn't be possible on a single DVD.
Installing games makes games run smoother period.Javy03
Yes, but that's not the reason some PS3 games have mandatory installs. It's not to "improve", but to "compensate". Just like disc swapping in the 360 case.
Its not like the 360 couldnt benefit from installs.Javy03
And it does. Installing game son the HDD makes loading times shorter.
Hopefully there wont have to be ANY installs next gen for games on blu ray if they actually manage to increase the read speed of the drive. Trmpt
Yes but of course like they do every gen., they push the system to the max which is where installs could help a game run smoothly. Truthfully if devs only had to worry about making games on Blu ray it would probably easier but since they make games with the 360, lack of HDD and DVD in mind they use installs as a way to make it easier to port. I am sure that if devs made games with the intention of having an install all around the benefits of installs would be more obvious but since they have one system that doesn't allow for that assumption it really inhibits installs benefits. That's why optional installs are pointless, because devs still have to make sure it works just as well without the install.
[QUOTE="Javy03"] To allow content that wouldn't be possible on a single disc. [QUOTE="Javy03"] Installing games makes games run smoother period.IronBass
Yes, but that's not the reason some PS3 games have mandatory installs. It's not to "improve", but to "compensate".
Its not like the 360 couldnt benefit from installs.Javy03
And it does. Installing game son the HDD makes loading times shorter.
the first one isnt a benefit over installing.
theres no benefit to disk swapping over installing
[QUOTE="washd123"]theres no benefit to disk swapping over installingIronBass
Indeed. Just like a mandory installs, they are to compensate.
In the 360 case, to compensate the smaller storage of DVD.
I am not talking about just the 360 vs PS3. I am talking about disk swapping vs. installing in general. Do you honestly think that installing a game on the 360 won't benefit it? Of course, all systems have load times and installs can aid with pop up textures, skippable cutscenes, and other subtle improvements. Disk swapping aids in nothing. I feel like your arguing to just argue. Mandatory installs have clear benefits to gaming, disk swapping has none. With a larger format and a HDD to pull from there wouldn't be so much a need for many multiple disk games with packaging/royalty prices that devs have complained about.
[QUOTE="Trmpt"] Hopefully there wont have to be ANY installs next gen for games on blu ray if they actually manage to increase the read speed of the drive. Javy03
Yes but of course like they do every gen., they push the system to the max which is where installs could help a game run smoothly. Truthfully if devs only had to worry about making games on Blu ray it would probably easier but since they make games with the 360, lack of HDD and DVD in mind they use installs as a way to make it easier to port. I am sure that if devs made games with the intention of having an install all around the benefits of installs would be more obvious but since they have one system that doesn't allow for that assumption it really inhibits installs benefits. That's why optional installs are pointless, because devs still have to make sure it works just as well without the install. There are exclusives as well as multiplats that require an install so you cant really blame the 360 for making it a requirement on some games. And as far a s next gen goes I think that if they increased the speed of the drive they would actually be able to do away with the installs. Blu ray and DVD use different methods for reading discs. A blu ray at 2x (or is it 3x (cant remember))is the equivalent to a FULL dvd being read at 12x. But since the blu ray has so much more information on it that speed just isnt quick enough. I think that if they put in a drive that is 10x or quicker then the installs wouldnt be mandatory just like how they arnt with the 360.
[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] True. But the Blu-Ray disk does have its benefits and this is one of them.IronBass
Mandatory installs are a benefit now? :? I'm not complaining. If waiting a few minutes before I play a game is the price I have to pay for it to run smoothly then fine by me.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"] True. But the Blu-Ray disk does have its benefits and this is one of them.clubsammich91
Mandatory installs are a benefit now? :? I'm not complaining. If waiting a few minutes before I play a game is the price I have to pay for it to run smoothly then fine by me. games run perfectly fine on the 360 and that's without mandatory installs. :|
[QUOTE="Javy03"] If a game needs two Blu Rays it will most likely be for a very very good reason and when you think about how many DVDs that would be it would make Blu rays look even better. The truth is installing actually IMPROVES the way a game runs. Thats the biggest difference, not the saving time but the performance issue. Swapping disks improves or adds nothing but installing games helps how well a game runs. I guarantee if the 360 had a standard HDD it would have mandatory installs too.Trmpt
You know that you have to install the game because of blu ray right? The 360 doesnt have that problem.
Takes about 15 seconds to change a disc, how long to PS3 installs take... exactly!
super_star98789
I have siblings, losing disc 3 of a game really pisses me off. For this reason I would rather have installs, even 3hr installs, than a game that comes on multiple discs. If they had an option for buying a single disc at a fraction of the price, I would have no problem with multi-disc games.
Takes about 15 seconds to change a disc, how long to PS3 installs take... exactly!
II_Seraphim_II
I have siblings, losing disc 3 of a game really pisses me off. For this reason I would rather have installs, even 3hr installs, than a game that comes on multiple discs. If they had an option for buying a single disc at a fraction of the price, I would have no problem with multi-disc games. At least you would be able to play half of the game.........if you lost that blu ray disc you would be f****d.
Honestly both sides of the argument are a bit silly if you ask me. If you can't wait a few minutes for a install you have issues. If you are too lazy to get up and change a disc you have issues.
Although the one funny thing I think I should point out about the people who seem to have a thing against disc swapping I have a question for you. Do you or do you not get up to switch discs any time you wanna change which game you are playing? How is that really any different than changing a disc after every 10 or so hours of gameplay in a RPG? Just wondering.
[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]both are short and anyone that complains about either is just being a fanboysexxxyboy
ill complain about disc swapping, for obvious reasons. when i play games i like to sit back and relax, not be bothered by getting up and swapping disc. imagine this for a second will you. its a hot day, youve turned the AC off for some reason, your sweating in your seat from the intense ps3 gameplay alone, let alone with all that heat (not from the ps3 from the air, imagine a 360 now for this part), your playing the ps3 game with the awesome controller that makes your fingers strong with awkward trigger buttons, your so comfortable cuz of the heat, then BAM: insert disc 2 and think about disc 3 for later. now you have to get up, take out the disc, store it, take out the next disc, put it in, wait a few seconds for it to load, meanwhile you have lost all immersion in the game, now u gotta remember which part you were at, and finally you go to sit back down in your seat, but feel like you are sitting in a wet spot because of all the sweat marks. you feel gross and disgusted, you decide to turn off the game to justify your getting up. Well, if you put it that way, then I guess I praise installs :P. I think, just by reading your post, I just caught a phobia from games that have more than one disc ;).
[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]both are short and anyone that complains about either is just being a fanboysexxxyboy
ill complain about disc swapping, for obvious reasons. when i play games i like to sit back and relax, not be bothered by getting up and swapping disc. imagine this for a second will you. its a hot day, youve turned the AC off for some reason, your sweating in your seat from the intense ps3 gameplay alone, let alone with all that heat (not from the ps3 from the air, imagine a 360 now for this part), your playing the ps3 game with the awesome controller that makes your fingers strong with awkward trigger buttons, your so comfortable cuz of the heat, then BAM: insert disc 2 and think about disc 3 for later. now you have to get up, take out the disc, store it, take out the next disc, put it in, wait a few seconds for it to load, meanwhile you have lost all immersion in the game, now u gotta remember which part you were at, and finally you go to sit back down in your seat, but feel like you are sitting in a wet spot because of all the sweat marks. you feel gross and disgusted, you decide to turn off the game to justify your getting up. After reading your post I do not think installs or disc swapping is really the problem but I will just leave it at that.
add up 15 seconds of disc swapping for everytime you swap the disc. Then imagine how many times you will play the game in the rest of your lifetime. Then you have to add all that time up!
add up 15 seconds of disc swapping for everytime you swap the disc. Then imagine how many times you will play the game in the rest of your lifetime. Then you have to add all that time up!
zarshack
Compared to the seconds it takes to install each game its not that much.
add up 15 seconds of disc swapping for everytime you swap the disc. Then imagine how many times you will play the game in the rest of your lifetime. Then you have to add all that time up!
Compared to the seconds it takes to install each game its not that much. Eh, but during the install you can do something else. Let's say it takes 10 minutes. I can go make a sandwich, make my bed, blow my nose and take a bathroom break in those 10 minutes. And then I'm done with it. But each time you have to wait for 15 seconds to continue your game you're basically wasting your time. Plus there are more obvious reasons why I prefer to install games like less noise and heat from the disc drive and the better performance. I hate it when I stumble upon PS3 games that I can't install and then during the game I get tons of loading screens at the checkpoints. Yes, Killzone 2 and Call of Juarez, I'm looking at you!
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