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#51 GunSmith1_basic
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nintendo fired Gunpei Yokoi for a huge screw up with the virtual boy and he was piilar of Nintendo for years, creating the Game boy and game series like Kid Icarus and Metroid. How can Nintendo not fire Sakamoto for driving Metroid into the ground? I like to think that they have taken notice and that we won't see Sakamoto as the project director anymore. He still has value in terms of his designing skills, but then again Yokoi was a brilliant man himself

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#52 nintendofreak_2
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I'd like them to get another shot with it, because Other M had some promise. All they really needed to do was get rid of those ****ing Where's Waldo parts, open up the world for exploration (a lot), and improve the combat with more hand to hand options and make Samus more agile (I'd like to be jump and shoot or jump onto enemies myself). Don't people forgot how they felt when they first saw Other M's release trailer at E3. That reveal rivaled the Twilight Princess reveal in 04, and people got real hyped about Other M real quick with the kind of potential it had.

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#53 nintendoboy16
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nintendo fired Gunpei Yokoi for a huge screw up with the virtual boy and he was piilar of Nintendo for years, creating the Game boy and game series like Kid Icarus and Metroid. How can Nintendo not fire Sakamoto for driving Metroid into the ground? I like to think that they have taken notice and that we won't see Sakamoto as the project director anymore. He still has value in terms of his designing skills, but then again Yokoi was a brilliant man himself

GunSmith1_basic
Different people in charge. Yokoi was fired when Hiroshi Yamauchi was still at Nintendo.
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#54 finalfantasy94
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nintendo fired Gunpei Yokoi for a huge screw up with the virtual boy and he was piilar of Nintendo for years, creating the Game boy and game series like Kid Icarus and Metroid. How can Nintendo not fire Sakamoto for driving Metroid into the ground? I like to think that they have taken notice and that we won't see Sakamoto as the project director anymore. He still has value in terms of his designing skills, but then again Yokoi was a brilliant man himself

GunSmith1_basic

when did this happen? I found other m good. Is it better then the others well of course not but it doesint have to be to still be enjoyable. Someone shouldint get fired cause some people didint like a game.

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#55 Nanomage
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It´s like Retro studios doesn´t even exist anymore...
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#56 thom_maytees
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

nintendo fired Gunpei Yokoi for a huge screw up with the virtual boy and he was piilar of Nintendo for years, creating the Game boy and game series like Kid Icarus and Metroid. How can Nintendo not fire Sakamoto for driving Metroid into the ground? I like to think that they have taken notice and that we won't see Sakamoto as the project director anymore. He still has value in terms of his designing skills, but then again Yokoi was a brilliant man himself

nintendoboy16

Different people in charge. Yokoi was fired when Hiroshi Yamauchi was still at Nintendo.

I thought he resigned.

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#57 gamefan67
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As long as Sakamoto isnt involved then I'm game. Team Ninja should pair up with Retro Studios, now that would be boss.
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#58 mexicangordo
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I love how the casual Metroid fans were the ones that hated Other M the most (you know who you are) and those of us who respect the series understood where it was coming from. I said it when the game came out and I still stand by it, Metroid Other M was a very fun and different experience. There were some faults for sure but I loved some of the concepts team Ninja were aiming for. Sadly the execution had issues.

Either way their won't be a Team Ninja Metroid game ever again. It has been said numerous times when the game cam out, even by Reggie, that the game performed incredible below Nintendo standards even with an incredible marketing campaign. Many blame Samus's portrayabut I really think it was the entire direction of the game in general.

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#59 svetzenlether
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I guess I'm in the minority because I liked Other M quite a bit. I still liked the Prime series alot more, but still, it was good. That being said, I'd rather see another game go to Retro again, or a different (but capable) developer who'd be able to pull off something new.

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#60 WiiCubeM1
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I'd support a new Metroid from them. Unlike most people, I loved Other M. The gameplay was great.

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#61 Nega3
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I'm still waiting for another PROPER Metroid shooter by Retro. We haven't had one in 5 years.

Other M doesn't count. If we got another Retro Studios Metroid game on the Wii U it'll be a killer app and I'll definitely buy the U just for that game.

Don't disappoint me Nintendo!

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#62 GreekGameManiac
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As long as they DON'T do the mistakes they did with Other M.

Or NGIII,for that matter.

>_>

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#63 FireEmblem_Man
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

nintendo fired Gunpei Yokoi for a huge screw up with the virtual boy and he was piilar of Nintendo for years, creating the Game boy and game series like Kid Icarus and Metroid. How can Nintendo not fire Sakamoto for driving Metroid into the ground? I like to think that they have taken notice and that we won't see Sakamoto as the project director anymore. He still has value in terms of his designing skills, but then again Yokoi was a brilliant man himself

thom_maytees

Different people in charge. Yokoi was fired when Hiroshi Yamauchi was still at Nintendo.

I thought he resigned.

I think you're right, Yokoi was demoted and was force to do nothing until he decided to pack is desk and move on to creat the Wonder Swan for Bandai. Shame his life was taken before the release of the Wonder Swan.

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#64 FireEmblem_Man
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I love how the casual Metroid fans were the ones that hated Other M the most (you know who you are) and those of us who respect the series understood where it was coming from. I said it when the game came out and I still stand by it, Metroid Other M was a very fun and different experience. There were some faults for sure but I loved some of the concepts team Ninja were aiming for. Sadly the execution had issues.

mexicangordo

I'm no casual Metroid fan, but I know a bad game when I played one. And Other M was bad.

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#65 SuperFlakeman
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It´s like Retro studios doesn´t even exist anymore...Nanomage

It would be perfect if Retro was working on Prime 4 for Wii U, however it must include wiimote+nunchuck option, which means they can't really explore the gamepad features because it has to be playable with the Wiimote too, if it forces me to use dual analog I won't buy it.

That's why "Other M 2" makes more sense, a TPS Metroid like that would actually benefit from the gamepad.

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#66 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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Yeah, because the first one they made is awesome and dosent ruin the metroid franchise at all :?. At this point what does it matter anyways nintendo sucks.

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#67 FireEmblem_Man
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Yeah, because the first one they made is awesome and dosent ruin the metroid franchise at all :?. At this point what does it matter anyways Sakamoto sucks.

Advid-Gamer

Fixed for you ;)

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#68 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Different people in charge. Yokoi was fired when Hiroshi Yamauchi was still at Nintendo.FireEmblem_Man

I thought he resigned.

I think you're right, Yokoi was demoted and was force to do nothing until he decided to pack is desk and move on to creat the Wonder Swan for Bandai. Shame his life was taken before the release of the Wonder Swan.

I heard separate things on that matter, but still. Different things happened with Yamauchi when he was in charge at Nintendo.

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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

I'm no casual Metroid fan, but I know a bad game when I played one. And Other M was bad.

FireEmblem_Man
I'm with you, FireEmblem_Man. An interesting concept/idea can't save poor execution.

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]It´s like Retro studios doesn´t even exist anymore...SuperFlakeman

It would be perfect if Retro was working on Prime 4 for Wii U, however it must include wiimote+nunchuck option, which means they can't really explore the gamepad features because it has to be playable with the Wiimote too, if it forces me to use dual analog I won't buy it.

That's why "Other M 2" makes more sense, a TPS Metroid like that would actually benefit from the gamepad.

I much rather Retro move on. The Prime Trilogy is amazing, but I want to see what else they can do. How about a Star Fox Adventures type game from them. Or ideally a new IP.
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#70 Bigboi500
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The first one was great. Haters gon hate.

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#71 Michael0134567
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I'd be up for it.Other M is great.

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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

I love how the casual Metroid fans were the ones that hated Other M the most (you know who you are) and those of us who respect the series understood where it was coming from. I said it when the game came out and I still stand by it, Metroid Other M was a very fun and different experience. There were some faults for sure but I loved some of the concepts team Ninja were aiming for. Sadly the execution had issues.

FireEmblem_Man

I'm no casual Metroid fan, but I know a bad game when I played one. And Other M was bad.

na dont agree. It was far from bad.

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#73 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

I love how the casual Metroid fans were the ones that hated Other M the most (you know who you are) and those of us who respect the series understood where it was coming from. I said it when the game came out and I still stand by it, Metroid Other M was a very fun and different experience. There were some faults for sure but I loved some of the concepts team Ninja were aiming for. Sadly the execution had issues.

FireEmblem_Man

I'm no casual Metroid fan, but I know a bad game when I played one. And Other M was bad.

what was bad about it? "note i've never played the game but i've heard nothing but bad things from it" j
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#74 inb4uall
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Metroid Other M wasn't as bad as everybody made it out to be, but it deifinitely seemed horrible because it had to be held up to the Metroid franchise. I really do hope that Retro Studios does at least one more Metroid Prime especially after the cliff hanger they left us at the end of Corruption.

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heck yeah. hopefully they have another MPH for 3DS also :D

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#75 Renegade_Fury
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Yeah, we all want a lot of things that never come true. Please keep them the hell away from Metroid, Nintendo.

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#76 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

I love how the casual Metroid fans were the ones that hated Other M the most (you know who you are) and those of us who respect the series understood where it was coming from. I said it when the game came out and I still stand by it, Metroid Other M was a very fun and different experience. There were some faults for sure but I loved some of the concepts team Ninja were aiming for. Sadly the execution had issues.

Chris_Williams

I'm no casual Metroid fan, but I know a bad game when I played one. And Other M was bad.

what was bad about it? "note i've never played the game but i've heard nothing but bad things from it" j

to be honest one of the things I found to be negative was lack of exploration like every other metroid game. You will proboly hear some say "they ruiend the samu character" Im personally aint in that camp.

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#77 SolidTy
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As long as Sakamoto isnt involved then I'm game. Team Ninja should pair up with Retro Studios, now that would be boss.gamefan67

No, never again. Worst Metroid ever concieved was due to Team Ninja, not just one man, the whole team takes the blame. It took a village to kill Metroid, the leader takes the most fault, but that entire studio is wack for Metroid.

I'll never forget as I remember beating Metroid on NES and telling people when asked that Samus was female. I remember getting into fights as kids insisted I was lying. Metroid was my fave IP of all time back in the day. Retro brought back some glory, but Samus on NES, and especially years later with her SNES game stole many a gamers heart.

Team Ninja should never touch a Nintendo IP again, especially my beloved Metroid.

Retro on their own would be just dandy. I would have thought a happysheep.jpeg like you would have felt the same.

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[QUOTE="gamefan67"]As long as Sakamoto isnt involved then I'm game. Team Ninja should pair up with Retro Studios, now that would be boss.SolidTy

No, never again. Worst Metroid ever concieved was due to Team Ninja, not just one man, the whole team takes the blame. It took a village to kill Metroid, the leader takes the most fault, but that entire studio is wack for Metroid.

I'll never forget as I remember beating Metroid on NES and telling people when asked that Samus was female. I remember getting into fights as kids insisted I was lying. Metroid was my fave IP of all time back in the day. Retro brought back some glory, but Samus on NES, and especially years later with her SNES game stole many a gamers heart.

Team Ninja should never touch a Nintendo IP again, especially my beloved Metroid.

Retro on their own would be just dandy. I would have thought a happysheep.jpeg like you would have felt the same.

Team Ninja was in charge of the combat and gameplay.

Sakamoto had complete control over the story and was responsible for the cinematic focus. Other M was Sakamoto's bid to be as great as Kojima and to make a video game movie. He is the reason the game failed

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#79 DarkLink77
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Team Ninja couldn't craft a story if their lives depended on it. Bread_or_Decide
It's fortunate that they didn't write Other M's, then. On topic, I say let 'em. But make sure Sakamoto is kept as far away from the script as humanly possible.
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If they took out the story and made a more open world like Metroid Prime then I'd love it. The platforming and combat were really solid in Other M. Metroid games are at their best when you have no idea where you're going (like in Super Metroid or Metroid Prime with no hints).

When people say that Other M is the worst Metroid game then they've clearly not played the bad Metroid games like the original, Return of Samus, and Hunters. God dammit, I've played Metroid flash games better than Return of Samus.

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#81 4dr1el
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http://www.psu.com/a016587/Team-Ninja-goes-hands-on-with-breasts-to-create-the-cutest-chicks-in-videogames

http://kotaku.com/5935278/team-ninja-explains-how-it-researched-breast-physics-hands-on

Looking forward to their next wonderful work :).

[spoiler] Nope! [/spoiler]

rjdofu

dude, if they can make samus breasts bounce with ultra realistic physics then count me in. I'll buy a WiiU just for it :lol:

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#82 SolidTy
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If they took out the story and made a more open world like Metroid Prime then I'd love it. The platforming and combat were really solid in Other M. Metroid games are at their best when you have no idea where you're going (like in Super Metroid or Metroid Prime with no hints).

When people say that Other M is the worst Metroid game then they've clearly not played the bad Metroid games like the original, Return of Samus, and Hunters. God dammit, I've played Metroid flash games better than Return of Samus.

nintendoman562

Nice generalization that fails because clearly, here's my generalization, you didn't play Metroid when it was a new game running on NES hardware, comparing it to the games of it's time. You probably played it (VC or GBA cIassics ) after you played the far superior sequels aka out of order. Metroid on NES was AMAZING....obviously the SNES sequel was even better.

http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/index.html (78/100)

Metroid II wasn't a bad game, it's just an old GB game but for it's time it was fun considering the hardware it was on but I would liken the impact of Other M to Metroid II, in that both were not great getting similar A/78-79% scores from critcs for their time.

Metroid II's excuse was it was running on horrible handheld weak GB hardware, which is NOT the same for excuse we can apply to Other M which was running on modern Nintendo home console hardware. In fact, Hunters destroys Other M in the world's critics eyes. You may as well call the Orignal Super Mario Bros. Crap because Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros 3 are soo much better. Duh, they better be.

I own every single Metroid game, including Hunters. I've been with the series since day one, as a fan since day one, I paid top dollar for each one. It wasn't great either but it was good. Specifically I wasn't talkng about GB or DS Metroid, but rather the home console Metroid retail games. That said, Hunters was better for what it did and the world's critics agreed : http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/metroid-prime-hunters 85/100 vs. Other M's 79/100 http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-other-m.

Was Other M the worst game ever? No, but it was a major blow to the franchise for a home console retail metroid, and to fans for modern gaming. This is hard for people to understand in SW, but handheld gaming =/= console gaming. There are millions of people that will never, ever buy a handheld machine (3DS, Vita, Gameboy, DS, PSP, Gamegear, Nomad, none of them ) but that very same market/demographic will buy every home console Nintendo machine.

The expectations for a home console Metroid experience are higher for the public, that's how it is. Other M was our Metroid we got for the Wii, a modern gen system, and it just didn't deliver, sadly. Argue if you must, but that's the reality.

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#83 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

If they took out the story and made a more open world like Metroid Prime then I'd love it. The platforming and combat were really solid in Other M. Metroid games are at their best when you have no idea where you're going (like in Super Metroid or Metroid Prime with no hints).

When people say that Other M is the worst Metroid game then they've clearly not played the bad Metroid games like the original, Return of Samus, and Hunters. God dammit, I've played Metroid flash games better than Return of Samus.

SolidTy

Nice generalization that fails because clearly, here's my generalization, you didn't play Metroid when it was a new game running on NES hardware, comparing it to the games of it's time. You probably played it after you played the far superior sequels aka out of order. Metroid on NES was AMAZING....obviously the SNES sequel was even better.

http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/index.html (78/100)

Metroid II wasn't a bad game, it's just an old GB game but for it's time it was fun considering the hardware it was on but I would liken the impact of Other M to Metroid II, in that both were not great getting similar A/78-79% scores from critcs for their time.

Metroid II's excuse was it was running on horrible handheld weak GB hardware, which is NOT the same for excuse we can apply to Other M which was running on modern Nintendo home console hardware. In fact, Hunters destroys Other M in the world's critics eyes.

I own every single Metroid game, including Hunters. I've been with the series since day one, as a fan since day one, I paid top dollar for each one. It wasn't great either but it was good. Specifically I wasn't talkng about GB or DS Metroid, but rather the home console Metroid retail games. That said, Hunters was better for what it did and the world's critics agreed : http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/metroid-prime-hunters 85/100 vs. Other M's 79/100 http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-other-m.

Was Other M the worst game ever? No, but it was a major blow to the franchise for a home console retail metroid, and to fans for modern gaming. This is hard for people to understand in SW, but handheld gaming =/= console gaming. There are millions of people that will never, ever buy a handheld machine (3DS, Vita, Gameboy, DS, PSP, Gamegear, Nomad, none of them ) but that very same market/demographic will buy every home console Nintendo machine.

The expectations for a home console Metroid experience are higher for the public, that's how it is. Other M was our Metroid we got for the Wii, a modern gen system, and it just didn't deliver, sadly. Argue if you must, but that's the reality.

Really major blow to the francise? Dude you seem to be going overbord. The only reality I see is your high dislike for the game. Also didint MP3 come for wii so wasint that 2 metroid games for the wii. Both which I found enjoyable. I personally didint care for hunter I found it boring as dirt but hey thats just my opinoin.

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#84 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

If they took out the story and made a more open world like Metroid Prime then I'd love it. The platforming and combat were really solid in Other M. Metroid games are at their best when you have no idea where you're going (like in Super Metroid or Metroid Prime with no hints).

When people say that Other M is the worst Metroid game then they've clearly not played the bad Metroid games like the original, Return of Samus, and Hunters. God dammit, I've played Metroid flash games better than Return of Samus.

finalfantasy94

Nice generalization that fails because clearly, here's my generalization, you didn't play Metroid when it was a new game running on NES hardware, comparing it to the games of it's time. You probably played it after you played the far superior sequels aka out of order. Metroid on NES was AMAZING....obviously the SNES sequel was even better.

http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/index.html (78/100)

Metroid II wasn't a bad game, it's just an old GB game but for it's time it was fun considering the hardware it was on but I would liken the impact of Other M to Metroid II, in that both were not great getting similar A/78-79% scores from critcs for their time.

Metroid II's excuse was it was running on horrible handheld weak GB hardware, which is NOT the same for excuse we can apply to Other M which was running on modern Nintendo home console hardware. In fact, Hunters destroys Other M in the world's critics eyes.

I own every single Metroid game, including Hunters. I've been with the series since day one, as a fan since day one, I paid top dollar for each one. It wasn't great either but it was good. Specifically I wasn't talkng about GB or DS Metroid, but rather the home console Metroid retail games. That said, Hunters was better for what it did and the world's critics agreed : http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/metroid-prime-hunters 85/100 vs. Other M's 79/100 http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-other-m.

Was Other M the worst game ever? No, but it was a major blow to the franchise for a home console retail metroid, and to fans for modern gaming. This is hard for people to understand in SW, but handheld gaming =/= console gaming. There are millions of people that will never, ever buy a handheld machine (3DS, Vita, Gameboy, DS, PSP, Gamegear, Nomad, none of them ) but that very same market/demographic will buy every home console Nintendo machine.

The expectations for a home console Metroid experience are higher for the public, that's how it is. Other M was our Metroid we got for the Wii, a modern gen system, and it just didn't deliver, sadly. Argue if you must, but that's the reality.

Really major blow to the francise? Dude you seem to be going overbord. The only reality I see is your high dislike for the game. Also didint MP3 come for wii so wasint that 2 metroid games for the wii. Both which I found enjoyable. I personally didint care for hunter I found it boring as dirt but hey thats just my opinoin.

Maybe I am, however consider this :

I waited for a new home console Metroid game for an entire generation (N64). Seeing what happened to Mario and then Zelda, definitely was neat to chat about with friends and fans about a new 64 Metroid game. It was a long wait, but it was an exciting wait. Then seeing teasers for a possible Metroid during the N64 era (always turned out to be other games, thanks Nintendo Power, EGM, and Gamepro :evil: ), and I didn't get a N64 Metroid. Millions didn't get one. Now, while we understand why, the reality was many fans didn't understand. We needed Gunpei Yokoi, which is a very sad tale for fans that want to look that up. Anyways, looking at Other M's success, do you think Nintendo will push for a New Metroid ASAP for Wii U next gen really soon? It seems like a safe bet, but who knows, perhaps not. Maybe just a 3DS version, maybe. As far as me having a high dislike for Other M, I didn't have a high dislike. I liked the game for all it's flaws, but unfortunately, I can also understand why so many non-fans and even fans decided to skip the title completely after the reviews and word of mouth got out.

I just worry that I may go through a whole home console generation again with No Home console Metroid. It already happened during my excruciating N64 years, and I would really hate for it to happen during my Wii U years. Or worse, we get another one akini to Other M. Other M had a lot of potential, so there's always that, but I think the Wii U hardware could make a Metroid game very exciting in seasoned, and talented devs hands.

I am a Metroid fan, so I'm going to be a little bit more critical of what gets delivered at top dollar, but that's okay. I never LOVED the handheld Metroids btw, but I did enjoy them as I approached them understanding they were crafting a Metroid on a tiny machine in my hands. The Home Console Metroids were my main course. I did say the game was a 79/100, which means it was a decent game. We are off track, my point was that it was the worst Metroid to me so far, and the critics (some reviews are more modern but...) put Other M right next to Metroid II for GB as the worst games in the series. Still, considering they are high "A" games, that's pretty good. I think over time, Other M will have the lowest rank for the series in time, but it may take years and a few console gens for those late reviews to pour in...probably from gamers that don't exist yet, or are 1-2 years old.

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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

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Nice generalization that fails because clearly, here's my generalization, you didn't play Metroid when it was a new game running on NES hardware, comparing it to the games of it's time. You probably played it after you played the far superior sequels aka out of order. Metroid on NES was AMAZING....obviously the SNES sequel was even better.

http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/585799-metroid-ii-return-of-samus/index.html (78/100)

Metroid II wasn't a bad game, it's just an old GB game but for it's time it was fun considering the hardware it was on but I would liken the impact of Other M to Metroid II, in that both were not great getting similar A/78-79% scores from critcs for their time.

Metroid II's excuse was it was running on horrible handheld weak GB hardware, which is NOT the same for excuse we can apply to Other M which was running on modern Nintendo home console hardware. In fact, Hunters destroys Other M in the world's critics eyes.

I own every single Metroid game, including Hunters. I've been with the series since day one, as a fan since day one, I paid top dollar for each one. It wasn't great either but it was good. Specifically I wasn't talkng about GB or DS Metroid, but rather the home console Metroid retail games. That said, Hunters was better for what it did and the world's critics agreed : http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/metroid-prime-hunters 85/100 vs. Other M's 79/100 http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-other-m.

Was Other M the worst game ever? No, but it was a major blow to the franchise for a home console retail metroid, and to fans for modern gaming. This is hard for people to understand in SW, but handheld gaming =/= console gaming. There are millions of people that will never, ever buy a handheld machine (3DS, Vita, Gameboy, DS, PSP, Gamegear, Nomad, none of them ) but that very same market/demographic will buy every home console Nintendo machine.

The expectations for a home console Metroid experience are higher for the public, that's how it is. Other M was our Metroid we got for the Wii, a modern gen system, and it just didn't deliver, sadly. Argue if you must, but that's the reality.

SolidTy

Really major blow to the francise? Dude you seem to be going overbord. The only reality I see is your high dislike for the game. Also didint MP3 come for wii so wasint that 2 metroid games for the wii. Both which I found enjoyable. I personally didint care for hunter I found it boring as dirt but hey thats just my opinoin.

Maybe I am, however consider this :

I waited for a new home console Metroid game for an entire generation (N64). Seeing what happened to Mario and then Zelda, definitely was neat to chat about with friends and fans about a new 64 Metroid game. It was a long wait, but it was an exciting wait. Then seeing teasers for a possible Metroid during the N64 era (always turned out to be other games, thanks Nintendo Power, EGM, and Gamepro:evil:), and I didn't get a N64 Metroid. Millions didn't get one. Now, while we understand why, the reality was many fans didn't understand. We needed Gunpei Yokoi, which is a very sad tale for fans that want to look that up. Anyways, looking at Other M's success, do you think Nintendo will push for a New Metroid ASAP for Wii U next gen really soon? It seems like a safe bet, but who knows, perhaps not. Maybe just a 3DS version, maybe. As far as me having a high dislike for Other M, I didn't have a high dislike. I liked the game for all it's flaws, but unfortunately, I can also understand why so many non-fans and even fans decided to skip the title completely after the reviews and word of mouth got out.

I just worry that I may go through a whole home console generation again with No Home console Metroid. It already happened during my excruciating N64 years, and I would really hate for it to happen during my Wii U years. Or worse, we get another one akini to Other M. Other M had a lot of potential, so there's always that, but I think the Wii U hardware could make a Metroid game very exciting in seasoned, and talented devs hands.

I am a Metroid fan, so I'm going to be a little bit more critical of what gets delivered at top dollar, but that's okay. I never LOVED the handheld Metroids btw, but I did enjoy them as I approached them understanding they were crafting a Metroid on a tiny machine in my hands. The Home Console Metroids were my main course. I did say the game was a 79/100, which means it was a decent game. We are off track, my point was that it was the worst Metroid to me so far, and the critics (some reviews are more modern but...) put Other M right next to Metroid II for GB as the worst games in the series. Still, considering they are high "A" games, that's pretty good. I think over time, Other M will have the lowest rank for the series in time, but it may take years and a few console gens for those late reviews to pour in...probably from gamers that don't exist yet, or are 1-2 years old.

to be honest it could go ether way. Since heck some might get introduced to metroid by other m and end up liking it we dont really know since well we cant see in the futuer:P.I dont think other m killed a chance of another metroid consol game. If nintendo feels like this type of game didint sell they might just try metorid another way. Since they know they had sucess with the prime games. I honestly wouldint mind something like other m again just improve on it. Such add way way more exploration like previous games and I didint mind them trying to add a story witin the metroid game. It still bugs me that some people like G4 feel the game was sexist and put women down. I didint feel that at all.

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I honestly wouldint mind something like other m again just improve on it. Such add way way more exploration like previous games and I didint mind them trying to add a story witin the metroid game. It still bugs me that some people like G4 feel the game was sexist and put women down. I didint feel that at all.

finalfantasy94

imo the Other M style of gameplay is just wrong though. The only reason that Kojima gets away with it is because his gameplay is among the best out there so we put up with his excesses. I say that the MGS series could use a tighter, less movie-like narrative.

Also btw I agree that the game was not sexist exactly, but just written so terribly that it allowed for a sexist interpretation. The Metroid series was never in need of a story anyway and would be well served by going back to its roots. Honestly, with the success that Nintendo has had with NSMB I would not be surprised if all their series went back to the formulas that made them great. That means tight, action packed gameplay with little to no story and almost no time wasted in dead time like cutscenes, tutorials, dialogue and story. Metroid, Mario and Zelda need a good shot of that medicine (and yes, 3D marios are very guilty of this as well)

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No, never again. Worst Metroid ever concieved was due to Team Ninja, not just one man, the whole team takes the blame. It took a village to kill Metroid, the leader takes the most fault, but that entire studio is wack for Metroid. I'll never forget as I remember beating Metroid on NES and telling people when asked that Samus was female. I remember getting into fights as kids insisted I was lying. Metroid was my fave IP of all time back in the day. Retro brought back some glory, but Samus on NES, and especially years later with her SNES game stole many a gamers heart. Team Ninja should never touch a Nintendo IP again, especially my beloved Metroid. Retro on their own would be just dandy. I would have thought a happysheep.jpeg like you would have felt the same. SolidTy
Cry me a river. It was an attempt to move the series in a new direction and it, for the most part, worked well enough. Should they keep going? At least with the narrative, but they should focus on providing a less linear world. If Team Ninja didn't collaborate with Nintendo, we probably wouldn't have seen any Metroid game... and the series had an even greater chance of dying off. I love Metroid too... have since 1994... and I enjoyed Other M for what it was, rather than what I wanted it to be.
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If Nintendo is going to make a new Metroid they should make it themselves or find someone else other than TN. They made Metroid annoying.

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Cry me a river. It was an attempt to move the series in a new direction and it, for the most part, worked well enough. Should they keep going? At least with the narrative, but they should focus on providing a less linear world. If Team Ninja didn't collaborate with Nintendo, we probably wouldn't have seen any Metroid game... and the series had an even greater chance of dying off. I love Metroid too... have since 1994... and I enjoyed Other M for what it was, rather than what I wanted it to be.Zeviander

I must say,this opinion is somewhat right,

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Well they took the franchise from "commonly featured on favorite game lists" to "but at least they tried something new!". Why shouldn't they make another one? :roll:

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Good lord no. I do not blame them entirely for how bat Other M was since it was mostly Sakamoto's fault (I hope they never let him near the Metroid franchise again), but they were part of the equation and I feel like even under the right leadership, they could be a jinx of the series if they did another one.
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Other M was awful

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I seriously wonder if I played the same game as others when they say this.
The game was fun and well made on nearly all fronts BUT the characters and dialogue. Those were bad, or rather not fitting for a metroid game.
Id like another Other M structured Metroid but with Team Ninja no where near the story and characters. Other M couldve been amazing if it wasnt for them.

I actualyl liked Other M too. But in comparison to the prime series, I mean, it just wasn't in the same ball park BUT it was still a fun game and felt like a metroid style labrynth as you progress through the game.
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Well they took the franchise from "commonly featured on favorite game lists" to "but at least they tried something new!". Why shouldn't they make another one? :roll:Teufelhuhn
Castlevania 64 doesn't exist... Castlevania 64 doesn't exist... Castlevania 64... :evil: There are always bumps in the road.
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well they took the franchise from "commonly featured on favorite game lists" to "but at least they tried something new!". Why shouldn't they make another one? :roll:Zeviander
Castlevania 64 doesn't exist... Castlevania 64 doesn't exist... Castlevania 64... :evil: There are always bumps in the road.

Other M is more like Lords of Shadow though, both are polished experiences, but are not really Metroid/Castlevania games in terms of game design.

My stance is Other M is better than nothing, since Nintendo's internal teams are occupied with non-niche games. I really dig the isometric 3D environments and the alternating gravity parts.

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[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Other M was awful

Shirokishi_


I seriously wonder if I played the same game as others when they say this.
The game was fun and well made on nearly all fronts BUT the characters and dialogue. Those were bad, or rather not fitting for a metroid game.
Id like another Other M structured Metroid but with Team Ninja no where near the story and characters. Other M couldve been amazing if it wasnt for them.

I agree, the story was completely terrible, but It had my favorite gameplay of a Metroid on a console post SNES, i was never a fan of the Prime series, so I kind of hope they do get another chance at Metroid, but I just hope someone else writes the story.

Am I the only one that doesn't love the Prime Trilogy, I mean I love Retro, but if they were to do another Metroid, I'd prefer it'd be 2.5D like Other M, even with all the flaws I still prefer OM to the Prime Trilogy.

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I enjoyed Other M, it wasn't a masterpiece but it was still good. If they take their time on a new title and polish up the combat, especially the first-persion parts of it, then it could be very enjoyable.

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[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Other M was awful

layton2012


I seriously wonder if I played the same game as others when they say this.
The game was fun and well made on nearly all fronts BUT the characters and dialogue. Those were bad, or rather not fitting for a metroid game.
Id like another Other M structured Metroid but with Team Ninja no where near the story and characters. Other M couldve been amazing if it wasnt for them.

I agree, the story was completely terrible, but It had my favorite gameplay of a Metroid on a console post SNES, i was never a fan of the Prime series, so I kind of hope they do get another chance at Metroid, but I just hope someone else writes the story.

Am I the only one that doesn't love the Prime Trilogy, I mean I love Retro, but if they were to do another Metroid, I'd prefer it'd be 2.5D like Other M, even with all the flaws I still prefer OM to the Prime Trilogy.

A 2D, or 2.5 Metroid game from Retro would be godly! Though I would rather see Nintendo throw them a Yoshis Island sequel, but that's just a dream of mine that'll NEVER happen. :P

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I'd be willing to give them another chance. Other M wasn't bad, it just wasn't Metroid.
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Other M was awful, the world doesn't need a follow-up. Hayashi should stick to what he knows, making sure Tina's breasts bounce accurately.

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A game that got over a 7 is awful? Man this place is crazy..............
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[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Other M was awful, the world doesn't need a follow-up. Hayashi should stick to what he knows, making sure Tina's breasts bounce accurately.

cainetao11

A game that got over a 7 is awful? Man this place is crazy..............

Hyperbole Wars! I cant really talk though, I do the same thing sometimes. :P