The 360 cpu is weak

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

-GeordiLaForge-

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Im sick of this i own both consoles crap, but yet you only bash X360 i wonder why? And yes i have friends believe it or not, they have PS3's/X360's and Wii's and yes i have played most PS3 games to date bub i know what im talking about. Why are you now talking about system power? we are talking about witch game is Visually better not how much of the systems power it is taking up. Face it PD0 & Kameo look better then R:FOM, the walls the ground ect..but not the charter models R:FOM looks a whole lot better there.Citizen_Zero

No I dont only bash the 360 I only bash it when people make unreasonable arguments that arent true. If you think texture detail in Kameo and PDZ0 make up for superior particle effects, better lighting, better char models and more on screen action then thats your opinion. 

If i was such a PS3 fanboy I wouldnt make this statmnet.

Gears of War looks better then anything currently on the PS3.  See?  I own both i dont care i will enjoy both im just stating what I feel is true. Now if someone says PS3 will never have a game that looks better then Gears of War that is when i start defending the PS3. 

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?H3llstrike

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Citizen_Zero

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the same time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

[QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"]The PS3 is weaker than the 360 in most catagories.Heith

Ya know...saying won't make it true.

[QUOTE="H3llstrike"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Megagames is hardly a resource for console development.

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp. That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful. The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?Nagidar

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?Citizen_Zero

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail. All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing. PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) . Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles. If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Citizen_Zero

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

You are a fine example of why Hermits should stick to playing computer games and reframe from talking about anything technical as you know nothing about it.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Billyhyw

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

I'll put this on the top of my who give's a damm list

For gaming all you need is an in order execution CPU. Why do you think the PS3, PS2,PS1, Xbox, Xbox360, GC, NF4, Dreamcast, Wii, all use in order execution CPU's?The_Nemacyst

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Nagidar

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]For gaming all you need is an in order execution CPU. Why do you think the PS3, PS2,PS1, Xbox, Xbox360, GC, NF4, Dreamcast, Wii, all use in order execution CPU's?imprezawrx500

Actually it was weaker then the PS2 CPU.  It just had double the ram and a better GPU  which is why pc devs loved it. 

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

That means more dev time thats all.  It doesnt mean the processor is capable of doing anything less for gaming.  There is no procssor in 2002 that would hold a candle to either the PS3 or 360 in terms of gaming purposes.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]For gaming all you need is an in order execution CPU. Why do you think the PS3, PS2,PS1, Xbox, Xbox360, GC, NF4, Dreamcast, Wii, all use in order execution CPU's?imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Billyhyw

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

That means more dev time thats all.  It doesnt mean the processor is capable of doing anything less for gaming.  There is no procssor in 2002 that would hold a candle to either the PS3 or 360 in terms of gaming purposes.

 Actually, thats wrong, the only reason the Cell and Xenon is good for gaming is because the force devs to make perfect game code, because of them being in-order processors. Works out quite nicely actually, devs can't afford to be lazy.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Nagidar

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Nagidar

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

That means more dev time thats all.  It doesnt mean the processor is capable of doing anything less for gaming.  There is no procssor in 2002 that would hold a candle to either the PS3 or 360 in terms of gaming purposes.

 Actually, thats wrong, the only reason the Cell and Xenon is good for gaming is because the force devs to make perfect game code, because of them being in-order processors. Works out quite nicely actually, devs can't afford to be lazy.

No it allows for better optimization and cheaper hardware cost. There is nothing the 360 cpu or the PS3 cpu cant do that a standard desktop pc processor cant do in terms of gaming.  You could not run many of the games the 360 or PS3 is doing with a procssor from 2002 which is what he is claiming.

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

 The Xenos has a higher shader model, puts out more polygons, more shader ops and uses USA, I find it hard to believe the PS3 will surpass the PS3.

Lair...game looks ok, nothing special, the only thing that impressed me about it is all the stuff going on at the same time while still looking good.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Billyhyw

Umm, in case you didn't know, BOTH the Xenon and Cell are extremely weak compared to standard desktop processors.

For gaming both are far better then standard desktop processsors . And there is nothing in the pc right now that touches what the Cell can do for graphic rendering and games.

People need  to realize this and ill say it once"HEAVLY STRIPPED DOWN" means for desktop applications.  In other words both the PS3 and 360 would suck at running multiple desktop applicaitons and a beafy OS.  But for gaming purposes you need top of the line processors to rival the performance.

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Billyhyw

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

That means more dev time thats all.  It doesnt mean the processor is capable of doing anything less for gaming.  There is no procssor in 2002 that would hold a candle to either the PS3 or 360 in terms of gaming purposes.

 Actually, thats wrong, the only reason the Cell and Xenon is good for gaming is because the force devs to make perfect game code, because of them being in-order processors. Works out quite nicely actually, devs can't afford to be lazy.

No it allows for better optimization and cheaper hardware cost. There is nothing the 360 cpu or the PS3 cpu cant do that a standard desktop pc processor cant do in terms of gaming.  You could not run many of the games the 360 or PS3 is doing with a procssor from 2002 which is what he is claiming.

 Thats because the code isn't "sloppy". Devs are forced to make the gaming code perfect.  Why do you think in-order processors are so much cheaper to make.

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Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Nagidar

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

 The Xenos has a higher shader model, puts out more polygons, more shader ops and uses USA, I find it hard to believe the PS3 will surpass the PS3.

Lair...game looks ok, nothing special, the only thing that impressed me about it is all the stuff going on at the same time while still looking good.

Err the shader pipes in the Xenos are far weaker then the RSX yes they have more but it doesnt matter if there weaker. The architectures are so differnt you cant look at the specs on the GPU and go WOW THAT ONES WAY BETTER.

And read what I highlited in bold I have yet to see a 360 game that matches the graphical detail of Lair on the scale not even close.  Lair texture detail is on par with Gears of War and look at all the thing on screen at a time and the scale.  Most PS3 games coming out this year easily match anything the 360 has to offer and this is the PS3 first year.  Lair in m opionion already exceeds it.

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Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

 The Xenos has a higher shader model, puts out more polygons, more shader ops and uses USA, I find it hard to believe the PS3 will surpass the PS3.

Lair...game looks ok, nothing special, the only thing that impressed me about it is all the stuff going on at the same time while still looking good.

Err the shader pipes in the Xenos are far weaker then the RSX yes they have more but it doesnt matter if there weaker. The architectures are so differnt you cant look at the specs on the GPU and go WOW THAT ONES WAY BETTER.

And read what I highlited in bold I have yet to see a 360 game that matches the graphical detail of Lair on the scale not even close.  Lair texture detail is on par with Gears of War and look at all the thing on screen at a time and the scale.  Most PS3 games coming out this year easily match anything the 360 has to offer and this is the PS3 first year.  Lair in m opionion already exceeds it.

  Wow, just wow, here you need a lesson:

PS3 vs 360

 EDIT: You can read the whole article if you want, pretty informative, but the part about the GPU's is on 7 and 8.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?Billyhyw

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

You are a fine example of why Hermits should stick to playing computer games and reframe from talking about anything technical as you know nothing about it.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Nagidar

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

That means more dev time thats all.  It doesnt mean the processor is capable of doing anything less for gaming.  There is no procssor in 2002 that would hold a candle to either the PS3 or 360 in terms of gaming purposes.

 Actually, thats wrong, the only reason the Cell and Xenon is good for gaming is because the force devs to make perfect game code, because of them being in-order processors. Works out quite nicely actually, devs can't afford to be lazy.

No it allows for better optimization and cheaper hardware cost. There is nothing the 360 cpu or the PS3 cpu cant do that a standard desktop pc processor cant do in terms of gaming.  You could not run many of the games the 360 or PS3 is doing with a procssor from 2002 which is what he is claiming.

 Thats because the code isn't "sloppy". Devs are forced to make the gaming code perfect.  Why do you think in-order processors are so much cheaper to make.

Yes but in terms of raw power the 360 cpu cost about 250 bucks to manufacture when it was launched.  That was in house production as well so If AMD or Intell sold that chip to the maket it would be about a 400 dollar chip as they want to make profit off every peace they sell. 

An inorder procssor at 250$ ?  Now the tc is trying to tell me a processor from 2002 is more powerful?  Why wouldnt Microsoft just slap that in the 360 for about 90 bucks.  O wait I know why because it isnt as powerful as whats in the 360.  The 360 inorder procssor has a good amount of power for gaiming purposes thats why they went with it. 

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

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Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

You are a fine example of why Hermits should stick to playing computer games and reframe from talking about anything technical as you know nothing about it.

I actually try to defend both consoles I like them all. ( Well except the Wii) And there is nothing in your stamtnets that are proven true at all. Both procossors in the 360 and PS3 are great for gaming and the PS3's is outstanding once devs learn to work with it.

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Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

What has yet to happen?

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Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

You are a fine example of why Hermits should stick to playing computer games and reframe from talking about anything technical as you know nothing about it.

I actually try to defend both consoles I like them all. ( Well except the Wii) And there is nothing in your stamtnets that are proven true at all. Both procossors in the 360 and PS3 are great for gaming and the PS3's is outstanding once devs learn to work with it.

 Somewhat true, except the PS3's architecture is bottlenecking it, devs will beable to get power out of it, but not as much as SONY's theoretical numbers.

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

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The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

I have read that and I have also read some comments from the NT dev that shoots that down in every conceviable way.  Its hard for me to take anything he says as valid fact when he fails to list what games hes developed and what company he works for.  Also much of his information is taken from a Major Nelson article from 2005( A Microsoft employee).

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Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

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The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.

Um yea thats called texture detail.  All bumps and ground work is a form of textureing.  PDZ0 uses tons of bumpmapping and paralaxmapping as many  Rare games do. (Rare makes great looking games) .  Regardless i have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.  If you want to see a game that matches the ground detail or should I say far exceeds it go look up the new pics Lair and you will have an idea of what the PS3 will be doing soon.

Seriously read my previous post or dont waste my time. Thousands of low poly ocrs that all look the same isnt as impressive as what REOM is doing at the smae time.   And no we dont know the 360 is texture king especially since the PS3 verision of Oblivion( one of the best looking 360 games) has better textures on the PS3.   

Then why did you clearly say * I have yet to see a game on the 360 match the onscreen action of REFOM and that is a PS3 launch titles.* when Kameo has at leat 1,000x as many AI on screen as R:FOM regurdless of what they look like it is WAY more action.  Also WTF do you expect Oblivion to look like with a year of extra dev time @_@, how do you think R:FOM would look on the X360 with a year of extra dev time?

AI ?  What AI?  The orcs just aimlessly run around there is nothing special about what they are doing on the screen and they all look exaclty the same.  It is not as impressive as the bulding structuctures falling down 20 + enemies on screen at a time and Smoke and expolsions going off all over the place.

And extra dev time?  Oblivion was being worked on the 360 a year before the PS3 beta kits were even finshed.  In other words no the PS3 didnt get any extra dev time.  It just came out later when it was being finshed on the 360 they were just getting started with it on the PS3 they didnt start working on them at the same time.

 All the stuff for the PS3 version of Oblivion was already in place, all Bethesda had to do was tweak it.

You still have to build the game.  Im not saying Oblvion looks better on the PS3 due to raw power but for the peopel that give me this crap about 360 being able to do more textures the PS3 is capable of the exact same and thats a fact thats my only point here.

 Actually, the 360 is capable of rendering more detailed textures, the Xenos is capable of doing effetcs the RSX is not.  Doesn't mean the PS3 will not have good looking games, but I highly doubt it will surpass what the 360 is capable of.

Um anything the 360 can do the PS3 can do easily as good or better. The only thing Xenos can do is some DX10 effects and that isnot a problem as the RSX and Cell can emulate those just as good if not better using Open Gl. And it wont surpass the 360?  Lair already looks better then anything on the 360.

I have read that and I have also read some comments from the NT dev that shoots that down in every conceviable way.  Its hard for me to take anything he says as valid fact when he fails to list what games hes developed and what company he works for.  Also much of his information is taken from a Major Nelson article from 2005( A Microsoft employee).

 Wow, the guy even posts his sources, WITH LINKS, on page 10.

And read what I highlited in bold I have yet to see a 360 game that matches the graphical detail of Lair on the scale not even close. Lair texture detail is on par with Gears of War and look at all the thing on screen at a time and the scale. Most PS3 games coming out this year easily match anything the 360 has to offer and this is the PS3 first year. Lair in m opionion already exceeds it.

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Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

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Umm, in case you didn't know, BOTH the Xenon and Cell are extremely weak compared to standard desktop processors.

For gaming both are far better then standard desktop processsors . And there is nothing in the pc right now that touches what the Cell can do for graphic rendering and games.

People need  to realize this and ill say it once"HEAVLY STRIPPED DOWN" means for desktop applications.  In other words both the PS3 and 360 would suck at running multiple desktop applicaitons and a beafy OS.  But for gaming purposes you need top of the line processors to rival the performance.

Hmm i would love to see how Kameo would run on something like that.

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