The 360 is the best core gaming experience you will find in a console this gen

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="RickTophen"]XBL is too expensive and it only does shooters. :(tormentos

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="RickTophen"]XBL is too expensive and it only does shooters. :(tormentos

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.

Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.

Nice try.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] 4 bucks a month and thanks for the chuckle.... next!Lexter45

$5? FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS!?

It was a dollar today. :P

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="tormentos"] No is $60 a year MS doesn't allow you to break the cost of XBL into months,if you want a single month of XBL is like $9 dollars,and 3 months is $25.NeonNinja

$5? FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS!?

It was a dollar today. :P

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"] Really? I just bought a month of Live for 5$ on Live. How did that happen if Microsoft doesn't allow me?Lexter45

$5? FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS!?

It was a dollar today. :P

For $1 a month I think I'm gonna use my Paypal account to pay. Let's do this! :P

Nice opinion and all but i prefer the PS3 and consider myself a core gamer and i own both consoles, of course this is also my opinion

Nah, thanks for trying though.

The ps3 sells more than the 360, and has for quite sometime. The 360's pad has larger deadzones in the sticks, and less sesnitivity in the sticks as well as all buttons. This is the problem I have with shooters on the 360. Going from say, CoD, on ps3 to 360 is very difficult because small movements are impossible on the 360, which is why every shooter on 360 requires massive auto aim.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] 4 bucks a month and thanks for the chuckle.... next!NeonNinja

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.

Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.

Nice try.

i guess it is understandable that some sw guys would miss those though since the specials are placed in ads.

lol, in sw ads are "SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT!" or "IN YO FACE!" until they are about an xbl fee sale then they are invisible.

its funny that you would use metacritic to back up your claims. according to metacritic, here are the exclusive's ratings

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xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

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ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

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yeah..... it doesnt really back up what youre saying

arbitor365

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would use metacritic to back up your claims. according to metacritic, here are the exclusive's ratings

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xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

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ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

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yeah..... it doesnt really back up what youre saying

CaseyWegner

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

Casey, can we make a new rule that exclusives are not a prerequisite for a game actually being a game?

[QUOTE="Gotham-Calls"]

this is all opinion. no facts were given to back up opinion. just blatant things no one should even care about. i can't believe i read this.

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] No is $60 a year MS doesn't allow you to break the cost of XBL into months,if you want a single month of XBL is like $9 dollars,and 3 months is $25.Riverwolf007

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.

Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.

Nice try.

i guess it is understandable that some sw guys would miss those though since the specials are placed in ads.

lol, in sw ads are "SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT!" or "IN YO FACE!" until they are about an xbl fee sale then they are invisible.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would use metacritic to back up your claims. according to metacritic, here are the exclusive's ratings

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

--------------------

yeah..... it doesnt really back up what youre saying

AdobeArtist

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

Casey, can we make a new rule that exclusives are not a prerequisite for a game actually being a game?

or make it known that playing the system wars metagame isn't a requirement for posting here.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.

Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.

Nice try.

TheEroica

i guess it is understandable that some sw guys would miss those though since the specials are placed in ads.

lol, in sw ads are "SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT!" or "IN YO FACE!" until they are about an xbl fee sale then they are invisible.

It's quite easy to quote fees for a service never actually paid for on a product never actually owned ;)

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.

Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.

Nice try.

TheEroica

i guess it is understandable that some sw guys would miss those though since the specials are placed in ads.

lol, in sw ads are "SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT!" or "IN YO FACE!" until they are about an xbl fee sale then they are invisible.

On top of it all, I don't understand the ad complaint. There's one ad in all the windows available. You don't have to watch it. And usually it's for a game or a promo on XBL.

Today's two ads were XBL Gold for $1 a month and the Rage trailer. But apparently, ads are making XBL a cesspool for MS to leech money off of its fanbase while the PSN remains true to real gamers.

Or some random crap that obnoxious fanboys feel like spewing. :P

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="Gotham-Calls"]

this is all opinion. no facts were given to back up opinion. just blatant things no one should even care about. i can't believe i read this.

Gotham-Calls

the sales argument should indeed have been left out unless he just considers the wii to be 100% non-hardcore which is not true.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would use metacritic to back up your claims. according to metacritic, here are the exclusive's ratings

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

--------------------

yeah..... it doesnt really back up what youre saying

CaseyWegner

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

he is avoiding looking at exclusives because it doesnt jive with his idea of 360 superiority. we all know that exclusives are what matters, especially on SW. but as long as he is selective with his information, he doesnt have to worry about that.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

That so? I stand corrected.mmmwksil

Well I won't push the issue on either side. In the end it isn't a huge deciding factor, and I'm almost sorry for bringing it up.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

its funny that you would use metacritic to back up your claims. according to metacritic, here are the exclusive's ratings

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

--------------------

yeah..... it doesnt really back up what youre saying

arbitor365

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

he is avoiding looking at exclusives because it doesnt jive with his idea of 360 superiority. we all know that exclusives are what matters, especially on SW. but as long as he is selective with his information, he doesnt have to worry about that.

that doesn't mean his source doesn't back up what he's saying as you stated.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

That so? I stand corrected.Lexter45

Xbox was out before ps3, it should have more AAA - AA exsclusives.RickTophen

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] The PS3 has a consistently higher variety. Lems only get that little snippet of information by going back to the before times a few years ago when MS actually supported a variation of titles in their high rated ones. There were quite a bit back then. But for a long time now the PS3 has dominated in the area in the past few years.

lx_theo

you've never seen people countering xbox 360 lists with people saying things like "let me know when the 360 gets a AAAAE" or "AAAAE > the 360's entire library"?

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] The PS3 has a consistently higher variety. Lems only get that little snippet of information by going back to the before times a few years ago when MS actually supported a variation of titles in their high rated ones. There were quite a bit back then. But for a long time now the PS3 has dominated in the area in the past few years.lx_theo

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] Kind of like how Cows have to go back a couple years ago to constantly bring up MGS4 Scoring a 10?CaseyWegner

you've never seen people countering xbox 360 lists with people saying things like "let me know when the 360 gets a AAAAE" or "AAAAE > the 360's entire library"?

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]my renewal for the entire year was $30 and i bought it through the 360 so there are plenty of specials on xbl if you keep your eyes open.

i guess it is understandable that some sw guys would miss those though since the specials are placed in ads.

lol, in sw ads are "SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT!" or "IN YO FACE!" until they are about an xbl fee sale then they are invisible.

NeonNinja

On top of it all, I don't understand the ad complaint. There's one ad in all the windows available. You don't have to watch it. And usually it's for a game or a promo on XBL.

Today's two ads were XBL Gold for $1 a month and the Rage trailer. But apparently, ads are making XBL a cesspool for MS to leech money off of its fanbase while the PSN remains true to real gamers.

Or some random crap that obnoxious fanboys feel like spewing. :P

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

considering he wasn't talking about exclusives, yes it does. :?

CaseyWegner

he is avoiding looking at exclusives because it doesnt jive with his idea of 360 superiority. we all know that exclusives are what matters, especially on SW. but as long as he is selective with his information, he doesnt have to worry about that.

that doesn't mean his source doesn't back up what he's saying as you stated.

Cross game chat, cross game invites, intergrated invites and party chat, intergrated status updates...etc

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

he is avoiding looking at exclusives because it doesnt jive with his idea of 360 superiority. we all know that exclusives are what matters, especially on SW. but as long as he is selective with his information, he doesnt have to worry about that.

TheEroica

that doesn't mean his source doesn't back up what he's saying as you stated.

they're all that matter for the metagame here.

What does critical ratings have to do with a "core" gaming experience?

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] I've never paid over 50 for the year... ever. Cows seem to pay much more for their subscription.TheEroica

On top of it all, I don't understand the ad complaint. There's one ad in all the windows available. You don't have to watch it. And usually it's for a game or a promo on XBL.

Today's two ads were XBL Gold for $1 a month and the Rage trailer. But apparently, ads are making XBL a cesspool for MS to leech money off of its fanbase while the PSN remains true to real gamers.

Or some random crap that obnoxious fanboys feel like spewing. :P

Very true, very true.

It's always funny when people speak about things they just don't know.

since when have exclusives been all that matter?TheEroica

its for the simple reason that they allow you measure what a system has to offer that others do not. if the 360 disapeared, we could play all those multiplats on the PS3 and/or PC. it makes no sense for a console to tote around its multiplats as a symbol of its worth. its nothing more than a distraction, to avert attention away from a lackluster library of exclusives.

anyway, im curious about something. are you guys conceding that the PS3 has a superior exclusive library? If it does, than aparently it shouldnt matter to you right? but i still want to hear you go on record as saying that. This especially goes out to the TC. because if he is using metacritic as a source, he has to admit this.

As far as exclusives go, the PS3 may have a ton of more variety. However, the marketing that is done for the majority of those games is pretty lacking when compared to any 360 titles, which is precisely why they don't sell nearly as well. And if that happens, my friends, which are mostly 360 gamers (if not exclusively), meaning that I would have to avoid those less popular titles to ensure that I can stay connected with any people that I know personally. Otherwise, as is the case with the PS3 and its online service, there's not much of an incentive to play its exclusive games online.

Likewise, Nintendo has a seemingly endless number of franchises and focuses probably on only a few of them, causing the rest of them to sell poorly. Of course, Nintendo has been around much longer, so there are still way more good selling franchises that it has than Sony. Maybe if Sony experimented more with titles that are likely to be popular, while also being able to adapt in so many ways (as Halo's or Mario's universe), then the PS3 would do much better than right now.

If PSN is as great as Sony makes it out to be, then we'd see a much heavier emphasis on ensuring that each title sells well when compared to Microsoft's and Nintendo's most emphasized franchises. This leaves so much potential but so little execution done on the online multiplayer experience for Sony. And why should that surprise people when a ton of its franchises are Japanese ones, not western ones, leading to last gen (single-player-only) experiences.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] since when have exclusives been all that matter?arbitor365

its for the simple reason that they allow you measure what a system has to offer that others do not. if the 360 disapeared, we could play all those multiplats on the PS3 and/or PC. it makes no sense for a console to tote around its multiplats as a symbol of its worth. its nothing more than a distraction, to avert attention away from a lackluster library of exclusives.

anyway, im curious about something. are you guys conceding that the PS3 has a superior exclusive library? If it does, than aparently it shouldnt matter to you right? but i still want to hear you go on record as saying that. This especially goes out to the TC. because if he is using metacritic as a source, he has to admit this.

Why would they? You play what you prefer. You say the 360 exclusive library is lackluster, but I find it enjoyable and have no interest in the PS3 exclusive library.

Exclusive library of games is completely subjective and based solely on preference. It's factually incorrect for a person's preference to be wrong.

I refuse 360 because it was design in the western world. remember japanese car vs american carhippiesanta

When was the last time the Japanese made a Corvette? Oh yeah, never.

[QUOTE="RickTophen"]Xbox was out before ps3, it should have more AAA - AA exsclusives.Lexter45

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="RickTophen"]Xbox was out before ps3, it should have more AAA - AA exsclusives.RickTophen

I think what he's trying to say is that MS take their time with releasing exclusives whereas Sony has a steady stream of releases.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="RickTophen"]Xbox was out before ps3, it should have more AAA - AA exsclusives.RickTophen

Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.Nice tryNeonNinja

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

As an owner of both consoles, and a known cow on here, I have held this in for far too long. As much as cows do not want to own up to it, the Xbox360 is the superior core gaming experience this generation. The 360 is PS3's superior in the gaming industry, and the industry standard. Dont believe me?

-Vastly superior online service. Xbox Live is the industry standard for online gaming.

In what way is it superior? None. And 60 bucks. It's like throwing away a full retail game every year.

-Superior controller (the majority of the industry appears to agree with me btw. Numerous developers hate the Dualshock 3 and agree that it is a poorly made controller). The 360 controller is the industry standard. Now cows, I know you are going to say "oh but this is just your opinion"......hmm, I wonder why soo many industry figures share this opinion? Yet, you never hear anyone other than PS3 fanboys saying it the other way around ;)

Ehm proof? And how does it matters what developers think when YOU are playing?

-Just for system wars, the console sells more. Period. The industry has spoken with its wallet.

Actually PS3 sells more

-sales dont matter? Well lets look at metacritic scores:

Yes? PS3 has better avarage in the top 25 games.

AAA (90+) = 36
AA (80-89) = 220
A (70-79) = 314

PS3

AAA (90+) = 30
AA (80-89) = 198
A (70-79) = 214

-Almost ALL multuplats favor the 360. Even the very few multiplats that favor the PS3 (usually through exclusive content) are still better on the 360 due to the better controller and Xbox live.

-better integration. Does this really need any explaining? It is common knowlege that the 360 has a superior operating system, and is better integrated than the XMB. Cross game chat, party chat, etc....

All in all, the PS3 has been an absolute clusterf***, and nothing but a headache for almost every party involved. The 360 is the FIRST priority for almost ALL publishers, developers, multiplats, investors, and gamers as a whole. Tell me PS3 fans, how many people have you seen on your facebook talking about the next Gears of War game? Now, in comparison, how many have you seen talking about Killzone or Resistance? Or hell, even Uncharted? (I love uncharted, im not hating on it).

No not really. Nowadays most developers focus just as much on the PS3, if not more. Just look at Portal 2, LA noire etc. And how come there are so many more exclusives on the PS3 nowadays? Yeah cause the PS3 by far is first priority. And I've never heard anyone talk about Gears of War ever. But many times Uncharted and Killzone. It's only in the US anyone cares about Gears.

Sony has done everything in its power to keep the PS3 relevant by a mere thread(and they did), and to undo all of the f*** ups they did this gen, but there is no denying that the PS3 is second to the 360 this gen. The Xbox 360 is the Playstation 3's SUPERIOR in the console market this generation by every single posible comparable metric.

lol

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Cross game chat, cross game invites, intergrated invites and party chat, intergrated status updates...etc

cain006

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]Clearly you don't know anything about XBL.Right now MS is offering XBL for $1 a month.Nice trytormentos

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Cross game chat, cross game invites, intergrated invites and party chat, intergrated status updates...etc

WilliamRLBaker