The 360 is the best core gaming experience you will find in a console this gen

I can send an invite from any game to any person on any game at any time, I can chat with them from any game on any game they are on at any time, people can view what I'm doing at any time from any game...etc all of these are intergrated and easy to find on the 360 on the ps3 if it has the ability your usually having to find it and boot up a completely seperate program to do it.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="tormentos"]The xbox 360 is the best core gaming experience thanks to is super hardcore only appealing Games like Sesame Street,Kinect sports,Gunslinger... For those 3 games alone i would happily pay $100 for live.Lexter45

http://www.vgchartz.com/#Worldwide%20Totals If you look at these totals in the enclosed link you'll see the world has not overwhelmingly chosen the 360 over PS3, in fact it's limited mostly to american sales, the japanese sales of 360 is a joke compared to PS3. While the worldwide total hardware sales of 360 over PS3 are only a mere 4 million, thats hardly a definitive choice of one over the other by gamers. Even though i agree the 360 is a phenomenal console it does not have superior hardware to PS3 nor' does it have superior exclusives, those two statements are facts not opinions. As for the controller, i happen to know that my brother in law who has been a die hard Xbox fan since the original came out in 2001, actually prefers the layout, feel and size of my Dual shock PS3 controller to his 360 controller, so that is all a matter of opinion. Plus I.M.O. graphically the PS3 is still far superior to 360, and once Uncharted 3 comes out everyone will see Gears 3 won't be fit to shine it's shoes, as far as graphics go.Slimmin360

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] since when have exclusives been all that matter?arbitor365

its for the simple reason that they allow you measure what a system has to offer that others do not. if the 360 disapeared, we could play all those multiplats on the PS3 and/or PC. it makes no sense for a console to tote around its multiplats as a symbol of its worth. its nothing more than a distraction, to avert attention away from a lackluster library of exclusives.

anyway, im curious about something. are you guys conceding that the PS3 has a superior exclusive library? If it does, than aparently it shouldnt matter to you right? but i still want to hear you go on record as saying that. This especially goes out to the TC. because if he is using metacritic as a source, he has to admit this.

as long as PS3 doesn't have Halo or Gears, it will never have a superior library IMO. i do enjoy uncharted and god of war though, and the show...wish that game was on 360.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="tormentos"]The xbox 360 is the best core gaming experience thanks to is super hardcore only appealing Games like Sesame Street,Kinect sports,Gunslinger... For those 3 games alone i would happily pay $100 for live.ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"] That Lineup is almost as Great as PSMoves titles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_the_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Superstars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_on_Broadway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape_Escape_Fury!_Fury! Almost.Lexter45

You responding with a list of Move games is completely different. We all know Move has "kiddie" and/or crappy games too. The difference is that's not all the PS3 has. Only 1 out of 14 PS3 exclusives this year has been a Move only game. Mocking PS3 for 1 out of 14 games being a lame Move game in response to someone mocking 360 for 3 out of 4 games being lame Kinect games is a pretty sorry retort.

Here, let's go back further. Since Move released, 7 out of 23 retail exclusives have been Move-only games. Since Kinect launched, 16 out of 17 retail exclusives have been Kinect games. And that 1 non-kinect exclusive isn't even first party. MS has completely abandoned the 'core gaming' userbase in favor of cashing in on kinect, and relies entirely on third party to keep their core fan-base satisfied. Sony continues to support the core gaming fanbase. Even their take on the motion control scene is more about adding in control options to core games than it is putting out tons of casual motion shovelware.

I'm inclined to disagree with you. I don't think it's fair to pay for Xbox Live considering they don't provide dedicated servers. It's pretty obvious that the Xbox 360 pales in comparrison to the PS3 when it comes to exclusive software since Sony has a huge first party. The patching is long, I'll agree with you on that. However, one thing that regularly goes unmentioned is the fact that you can pay with exact cash to get what you want on the PS store provided it's $5 or more. It's also worth pointing out that the Xbox 360 gets outsold by the PS3 in most Countries. In the end, I don't really see your point.

Sserv

Well, i agree.

The simple answer is KINECT. Kinect equals the opposite of core, btw.

Stopped reading after these two things:

1) Superior controller? Industry agrees with you? All I can say is....source? So until you have some links to back up that statement, it IS YOUR OPINION.

2) Sells better than ps3.--------Huh? I'm confused.... Last I checked, the ps3 has outsold the 360 since 2008. Ouch.

I'm what you call a fanboy of games. I play extensively on my 360, ps3, pc and 3ds. They all have their merits, but really, I don't care, I just want to play games.

Btw, steak is good. Yum.

Well its all about opinion (for the ps3 users only)...

Well its all about opinion (for the ps3 users only)...

speedfog

I suppose.

360 controller is superior with its AA batteries? pfff

Will people stop with this AAA, AA, A garbage? What are you, sleeping with Bill Gates?

[QUOTE="RickTophen"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] Before Gears 3 the 360 didn't have a retail exclusive for 10 months. So no, it shouldn't.Lexter45

How does a 10 month time frame cancel out the entire life time accumulation of exclusives? What happened this year doesn't negate 2010, 2009, 2008, or any year before that right back till Nov 2005.

Will people stop with this AAA, AA, A garbage? What are you, sleeping with Bill Gates?

Johnny_Rock

Will people stop with this AAA, AA, A garbage? What are you, sleeping with Bill Gates?

Johnny_Rock

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="RickTophen"] Yes it should. Are you saying that Xbox 360 has 0 exclusives when it came out back in November 2005?AdobeArtist

How does a 10 month time frame cancel out the entire life time accumulation of exclusives? What happened this year doesn't negate 2010, 2009, 2008, or any year before that right back till Nov 2005.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Yeah. The difference is, the 360 has had 4 retail exclusives this year (2 A+, 2 below A). 3 of them are Kinect only. The PS3 has had 14 retail eclusives this year (9 A+, 5 below A). Only 1 of them is Move only, with 5-6 supporting Move as optional controls. Listing Kinect games as the 360 exclusive line-up isn't far from the truth. Trying to list Move only PS3 games as the PS3's line-up to counter it is false, because they are a small fraction of the PS3's exclusive line up.

ianuilliam

You responding with a list of Move games is completely different. We all know Move has "kiddie" and/or crappy games too. The difference is that's not all the PS3 has. Only 1 out of 14 PS3 exclusives this year has been a Move only game. Mocking PS3 for 1 out of 14 games being a lame Move game in response to someone mocking 360 for 3 out of 4 games being lame Kinect games is a pretty sorry retort.

Here, let's go back further. Since Move released, 7 out of 23 retail exclusives have been Move-only games. Since Kinect launched, 16 out of 17 retail exclusives have been Kinect games. And that 1 non-kinect exclusive isn't even first party. MS has completely abandoned the 'core gaming' userbase in favor of cashing in on kinect, and relies entirely on third party to keep their core fan-base satisfied. Sony continues to support the core gaming fanbase. Even their take on the motion control scene is more about adding in control options to core games than it is putting out tons of casual motion shovelware.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"] Um, no. You said that the 360 was out before PS3 and it should have more AA-AAA Exclusives. The 10 month retail release exclusive drought Kinda negates that.Lexter45

How does a 10 month time frame cancel out the entire life time accumulation of exclusives? What happened this year doesn't negate 2010, 2009, 2008, or any year before that right back till Nov 2005.

how doesthat negate it? those tenmonths were still ten months that there could have been games being released. just because it was a drought doesn't mean it doesn't count.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="RickTophen"] Yes it should. Are you saying that Xbox 360 has 0 exclusives when it came out back in November 2005?AdobeArtist

How does a 10 month time frame cancel out the entire life time accumulation of exclusives? What happened this year doesn't negate 2010, 2009, 2008, or any year before that right back till Nov 2005.

even taking previous releases into account (once again, I have to post this)

metacritic

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xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

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ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

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and considering the 360 had a head start, thats pretty sad.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

How does a 10 month time frame cancel out the entire life time accumulation of exclusives? What happened this year doesn't negate 2010, 2009, 2008, or any year before that right back till Nov 2005.

CaseyWegner

how doesthat negate it? those tenmonths were still ten months that there could have been games being released. just because it was a drought doesn't mean it doesn't count.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"] Umm, did you see the OP that I was quotring? He was mocing Kinect for having "Kiddie" titles. I showed him PSMove's Lineup of kid titles. Please read the full quote next time.Lexter45

You responding with a list of Move games is completely different. We all know Move has "kiddie" and/or crappy games too. The difference is that's not all the PS3 has. Only 1 out of 14 PS3 exclusives this year has been a Move only game. Mocking PS3 for 1 out of 14 games being a lame Move game in response to someone mocking 360 for 3 out of 4 games being lame Kinect games is a pretty sorry retort.

Here, let's go back further. Since Move released, 7 out of 23 retail exclusives have been Move-only games. Since Kinect launched, 16 out of 17 retail exclusives have been Kinect games. And that 1 non-kinect exclusive isn't even first party. MS has completely abandoned the 'core gaming' userbase in favor of cashing in on kinect, and relies entirely on third party to keep their core fan-base satisfied. Sony continues to support the core gaming fanbase. Even their take on the motion control scene is more about adding in control options to core games than it is putting out tons of casual motion shovelware.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"] Um no, he was mocking Kinect having Kiddie games. If he was mocking 360's exclusive drought Don't you think he would've, you know, MOCK it?ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]What do you think he was doing by saying the 360 core experience was great, and only listing Kinect games, if not mocking the fact that MS has taken all focus off of core games in favor of making nothing but Kinect games? 16 of 17 retail exclusives since Kinect launched have been Kinect-only titles. Thus in a thread claiming 360 has the better core experience, making fun of of the fact that MS's "core experience" ever since Kinect launched consists of Kinect games is to the point, and funny. Making fun of the fact that Move-only games, are equally bad as Kinect-only games is not as funny, and not to the point at all, since those make up maybe a third of the exclusives since Move launched, and are not Sony's focus or the "core ps3 experience."

Lexter45

The xbox 360 is the best core gaming experience thanks to is super hardcore only appealing Games like Sesame Street,Kinect sports,Gunslinger... For those 3 games alone i would happily pay $100 for live.tormentos

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"] Read it again [QUOTE="tormentos"]The xbox 360 is the best core gaming experience thanks to is super hardcore only appealing Games like Sesame Street,Kinect sports,Gunslinger... For those 3 games alone i would happily pay $100 for live.ianuilliam

-sales dont matter? Well lets look at metacritic scores:

360

AAA (90+) = 36
AA (80-89) = 220
A (70-79) = 314

PS3

AAA (90+) = 30
AA (80-89) = 198
A (70-79) = 214

StrongDeadlift

ouch. i see that no cows have yet successfully made an attempt to spin this one. ;)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Lexter45"] You missed my point. He said that because the 360 has been out for a year more than the PS3 then it should have more AAA-AA Games. The 10 month drought kind of negates that.Lexter45

how doesthat negate it? those tenmonths were still ten months that there could have been games being released. just because it was a drought doesn't mean it doesn't count.

but there's a difference between being released before your competitor and going through a drought. the drought was a problem it ran into. who's fault is it that there was a drought and why should it count as some kind of grace period?

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how doesthat negate it? those tenmonths were still ten months that there could have been games being released. just because it was a drought doesn't mean it doesn't count.

CaseyWegner

but there's a difference between being released before your competitor and going through a drought. the drought was a problem it ran into. who's fault is it that there was a drought and why should it count as some kind of grace period?

XBL is too expensive and it only does shooters. :(RickTophen

I buy a console based off of two things 1. the games I like to play , and 2 which console I think will get more support first and third party which at this point is undeniablly the PS3. Where is the 360 support for next year? Where is it for this year? Last year?This is what I heard last year'' well we dont know ms has in store for us ''Sony is Destroying MS in this ''exclusive war''. I mean it isnt even close and hasnt been the last few years. Maybe you like gears thats fine or halo or whatever. Dont make these topics when the console your claiming is better has a total of two good exclusives compared to sony's 10 this year. Its ridiculous. I KNOW what exclusives I want from SONY NEXT YEAR ALREADY!!!! Twisted metal son!

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

-sales dont matter? Well lets look at metacritic scores:

360

AAA (90+) = 36
AA (80-89) = 220
A (70-79) = 314

PS3

AAA (90+) = 30
AA (80-89) = 198
A (70-79) = 214

KarateeeChop

ouch. i see that no cows have yet successfully made an attempt to spin this one. ;)

the fact that they arent using exclusives pretty much invalidates those numbers completely

here are the exclusive numbers

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xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

--------------------

its hilarious that lemmings have to resort to multiplats, because they know their exclusives are inferior

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

-sales dont matter? Well lets look at metacritic scores:

360

AAA (90+) = 36
AA (80-89) = 220
A (70-79) = 314

PS3

AAA (90+) = 30
AA (80-89) = 198
A (70-79) = 214

ouch. i see that no cows have yet successfully made an attempt to spin this one. ;)

the fact that they arent using exclusives pretty much invalidates those numbers completely

here are the exclusive numbers

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

--------------------

its hilarious that lemmings have to resort to multiplats, because they know their exclusives are inferior

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

-sales dont matter? Well lets look at metacritic scores:

360

AAA (90+) = 36
AA (80-89) = 220
A (70-79) = 314

PS3

AAA (90+) = 30
AA (80-89) = 198
A (70-79) = 214

arbitor365

ouch. i see that no cows have yet successfully made an attempt to spin this one. ;)

the fact that they arent using exclusives pretty much invalidates those numbers completely

here are the exclusive numbers

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

--------------------

its hilarious that lemmings have to resort to multiplats, because they know their exclusives are inferior

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

ouch. i see that no cows have yet successfully made an attempt to spin this one. ;)

Drakan11

the fact that they arent using exclusives pretty much invalidates those numbers completely

here are the exclusive numbers

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xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

--------------------

its hilarious that lemmings have to resort to multiplats, because they know their exclusives are inferior

I heavily doubt your opinion.

[QUOTE="Drakan11"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the fact that they arent using exclusives pretty much invalidates those numbers completely

here are the exclusive numbers

---------------------

xbox

6 AAA

16 AA

19 A

----------

ps3

10 AAA

31 AA

20 A

--------------------

its hilarious that lemmings have to resort to multiplats, because they know their exclusives are inferior

ianuilliam

I'd assume 2 Gears, 2 Forzas, and 2 Halos. Gears 1 isn't exclusive, and ODST isn't 90+.

ianuilliam

that is correct

yakuza 4 / motorstorm / infamous 2 / resistance 3 / killzone 3 / LBP 2 VS Gears 3. nope.campzor

Witcher 2 / Dark Souls / Mass Effect 1-2-3 / Lost Odyssey / Blue Dragon / Tales of Vesperia / Gears 1-2-3 / Halo 3 - CE - Reach - 4 / Fable 2-3-4-Journey / Alan Wake / Draco

VS Uncharted 3

Nope

[QUOTE="campzor"]yakuza 4 / motorstorm / infamous 2 / resistance 3 / killzone 3 / LBP 2 VS Gears 3. nope.loosingENDS

Witcher 2 / Dark Souls / Mass Effect 1-2-3 / Lost Odyssey / Blue Dragon / Tales of Vesperia / Gears 1-2-3 / Halo 3 - CE - Reach - 4 / Fable 2-3-4-Journey / Alan Wake / Draco

VS Uncharted 3

Nope