The 360 sold 310,000 last week, outsold the PS3 2:1...

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Liquid-GEAR

I would have to vomit.

Same here.

Think my current favorite is Mr. Lif. But I think Nas takes the cake as best of all time.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic, God's Son..need I say more?

As for lyricist, it's quite a tie between likes such as Nas, Aesop Rock, Big Juss, Vast Aire.

Lil Wayne is the future of rap even Jay-Z said it.

...Jay-Z?:lol:

He has no say till he releases another Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint, sorry. Illmatic alone demolishes anything Lil' Wayne has tried to accomplish.

The future does not lie in the hands of some mainstream cRAP. The future has always been in the hand of those who actually try to change the state of hiphop for the better; Lil Wayne does not fit this category.

Here's someone who does:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q4RZH75mB2w

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Liquid-GEAR

I would have to vomit.

Same here.

Think my current favorite is Mr. Lif. But I think Nas takes the cake as best of all time.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic, God's Son..need I say more?

As for lyricist, it's quite a tie between likes such as Nas, Aesop Rock, Big Juss, Vast Aire.

Lil Wayne is the future of rap even Jay-Z said it.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Erkidu

I would have to vomit.

Same here.

Think my current favorite is Mr. Lif. But I think Nas takes the cake as best of all time.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic, God's Son..need I say more?

As for lyricist, it's quite a tie between likes such as Nas, Aesop Rock, Big Juss, Vast Aire.

Lil Wayne is the future of rap even Jay-Z said it.

but death metal = prosperity?

FAIL.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Lil Wayne is the best rapper here and now :D

Liquid-GEAR

Sorry, but I can't, in any state of mind, agree with that.

I don't listen to him continously, no. But I've listened quite a bit. He's definately one of the better mainstream rappers, but best rapper here and now?...ha....hahaha...

Yes, cows, the Xbox360 did in fact out-sell the PS2 2:1 during Black Friday:

Xbox360 PWNS PS3 2:1

Seeing how cows are so willing to accept one coporate (Sony)exec's word, they should have no problem accepting another's (MS).

And for once, I would love for cows to provide some REAL proof of the PS3's EU sales dominance other than the often-wrong VGC.

LosDaddie

So, PS3 was outsold by 360 because Microsoft said so? Funny. I don't care because I contributed to the sales of both systems, plus a Wii. I don't care if Sony stays in third for the entire life of the system, I'll still buy MGS4 when it comes out.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.ToScA-

I would have to vomit.

Same here.

Think my current favorite is Mr. Lif. But I think Nas takes the cake as best of all time.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic, God's Son..need I say more?

As for lyricist, it's quite a tie between likes such as Nas, Aesop Rock, Big Juss, Vast Aire.

Lil Wayne is the future of rap even Jay-Z said it.

...Jay-Z?:lol:

He has no say till he releases another Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint, sorry. Illmatic alone demolishes anything Lil' Wayne has tried to accomplish.

The future does not lie in the hands of some mainstream cRAP. The future has always been in the hand of those who actually try to change the state of hiphop for the better; Lil Wayne does not fit this category.

Here's someone who does:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q4RZH75mB2w

LMA:lol: :lol: WTH was that? No metaphors? No adlibs? No double entendre? You can't be the future of hip hop with none of those things and most importantly, no delivery.

I liked his subject matter but thats about it

Alright? but death metal = prosperity? FAIL.Liquid-GEAR

I would also have to say Immortal Technique but he`s very very underrated.Adrian_Cloud

Rap is the weakest form of music, lyrically and musically. Try some Pink Floyd, Dizzy, Miles Davis, Def Leppard, Frank Zappa, O'jays,Bjork, Prince if you want some real good music.
The majority of rappers aren't even serious about there art form and just focus on "makin money".

What a joke of a statement. Unlike other forms of music which have heavey emphasis on instruments Rap is almost soley reliant on the the ability to create good lyrics. Rappers Rap. That's what they do. They create lyrics and let it flow.

The majority of every musican main focus is on money. That's called business lo.

Oh man ignorance. Even outside of video games is still strong on this forum.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Yes, cows, the Xbox360 did in fact out-sell the PS2 2:1 during Black Friday:

Xbox360 PWNS PS3 2:1

Seeing how cows are so willing to accept one coporate (Sony)exec's word, they should have no problem accepting another's (MS).

And for once, I would love for cows to provide some REAL proof of the PS3's EU sales dominance other than the often-wrong VGC.

g_hart

So, PS3 was outsold by 360 because Microsoft said so? Funny. I don't care because I contributed to the sales of both systems, plus a Wii. I don't care if Sony stays in third for the entire life of the system, I'll still buy MGS4 when it comes out.

Cows seem to have no problem believing Sony when they report sales figures. So, you want to call foul when the situation is reversed?

Oh and I own all 3 consoles too. What? Did you think you were alone in that regard?

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Rap is the weakest form of music, lyrically and musically. Try some Pink Floyd, Dizzy, Miles Davis, Def Leppard, Frank Zappa, O'jays,Bjork, Prince if you want some real good music.
The majority of rappers aren't even serious about there art form and just focus on "makin money".

Blackbond

What a joke of a statement. Unlike other forms of music which have heavey emphasis on instruments Rap is almost soley reliant on the the ability to create good lyrics. Rappers Rap. That's what they do. They create lyrics and let it flow.

The majority of every musican main focus is on money. That's called business lo.

Oh man ignorance. Even outside of video games is still strong on this forum.

You left out the most concerning part: He says the bolded statement and then lists Def Leppard as "real good music." :|

I'm scared.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

I would also have to say Immortal Technique but he`s very very underrated.Blackbond

Rap is the weakest form of music, lyrically and musically. Try some Pink Floyd, Dizzy, Miles Davis, Def Leppard, Frank Zappa, O'jays,Bjork, Prince if you want some real good music.
The majority of rappers aren't even serious about there art form and just focus on "makin money".

What a joke of a statement. Unlike other forms of music which have heavey emphasis on instruments Rap is almost soley reliant on the the ability to create good lyrics. Rappers Rap. That's what they do. They create lyrics and let it flow.

The majority of every musican main focus is on money. That's called business lo.

Oh man ignorance. Even outside of video games is still strong on this forum.

The future of rap = the decay of western society.Erkidu

So what does that say about video games and their fanboys. The decay of global society?

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]Alright? but death metal = prosperity? FAIL.Erkidu

Dude, so do I. Go back a few pages and click on kcpp2b's links. It's the first step. ;)

[QUOTE="Erkidu"]The future of rap = the decay of western society.Blackbond

So what does that say about video games and their fanboys. The decay of global society?

American Gangster was awesome and Lil Wayne is anything but mainstream. His success comes from his mixtapes which you might not have heard.

LMA:lol: :lol: WTH was that? No metaphors? No adlibs? No double entendre? You can't be the future of hip hop with none of those things and most importantly, no delivery.

I liked his subject matter but thats about it

Liquid-GEAR

American Gangster was okay at best (better than the dreadful Kingdom Come at least). And as I've said, I've heard some of Wayne's material, and he sure as hell is mainstream wether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Wow...I love your analysis of the song. The song was pretty much straight-forward, talking about the miserable state of hiphop today. The fact that you claimed that he had no delivery is enough for me to regard your post as moot. Fantastic lyrics, with great wordplay, a voice and flow that pretty much runs around Lil Wayne in circles, and more importantly a message that'll keep you thinking for quite some time. Lil' Wayne has yet to impress me even halfway within these elements.

There are several successful (success as in bringing the genre back to its roots) that don't necesarilly use any of the styles you so proudly listed to get their point across in a way that puts most rappers (including Lil' Wayne) to shame.

Also, I did mention Aesop Rock earlier. If you're so eager for rap techniques that include things you listed, you should check him out.

Trouble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK8WKkxl-2w

Gossip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnITRbMVHp8&feature=related

pretty dope tracks

Lots of 360s are failing so lemmings are buying it over and over again.DaysAirlines

lol i remember that was a lemming favourite retort against the PS2.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.ToScA-

I would have to vomit.

Same here.

Think my current favorite is Mr. Lif. But I think Nas takes the cake as best of all time.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic, God's Son..need I say more?

As for lyricist, it's quite a tie between likes such as Nas, Aesop Rock, Big Juss, Vast Aire.

Lil Wayne is the future of rap even Jay-Z said it.

...Jay-Z?:lol:

He has no say till he releases another Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint, sorry. Illmatic alone demolishes anything Lil' Wayne has tried to accomplish.

The future does not lie in the hands of some mainstream cRAP. The future has always been in the hand of those who actually try to change the state of hiphop for the better; Lil Wayne does not fit this category.

Here's someone who does:

LMA:lol: :lol: WTH was that? No metaphors? No adlibs? No double entendre? You can't be the future of hip hop with none of those things and most importantly, no delivery.

I liked his subject matter but thats about it

American Gangster was okay at best. As I've said, I've heard some of Wayne's material, and he sure as hell is mainstream wether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Wow...I love your analysis of the song. The song was pretty much straight-forward, talking about the miserable state of hiphop today. The fact that you claimed that he had no delivery is enough for me to regard your post as moot. Fantastic lyrics, with great wordplay, a voice and flow that pretty much runs around Lil Wayne in circles, and more importantly a message that'll keep you thinking for quite some time. Lil' Wayne has yet to impress me even halfway within these elements.

There are several successful (success as in bringing the genre back to its roots) that don't necesarilly use any of the **** you listed to get their point across in a way that puts most rappers (including Lil' Wayne) to shame.

You can't listen to Lil wayne's mainstream work and judge him based on that. He's famous for what he does off camera really. Like I said I completely disagree so lets agree to disagree.

Sony is disputing Microsoft's statement about the ratio of Xbox 360 to PS3 sales during the week of Black Friday. Here's what Kimberly Otzman, a Sony spokeswoman, said to Todd Bishop of seattlepi.com:

"It's (Sony Computer Entertainment America) policy not to disclose our unit sales numbers until NPD numbers are officially released which will be December 13th. However, I can assure you that Microsoft's estimates of our PS3 unit sales numbers are way off and they did not outsell PS3 2:1 during Black Friday week

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-89034.aspx

this is not damage control ps3 numbers are not even out

Update, 12:30 p.m.: Sony is disputing Microsoft's statement about the ratio of Xbox 360 to PS3 sales. Here's what Kimberly Otzman, a Sony spokeswoman, said in an e-mail just now:

"It's (Sony Computer Entertainment America) policy not to disclose our unit sales numbers until NPD numbers are officially released which will be December 13th. However, I can assure you that Microsoft's estimates of our PS3 unit sales numbers are way off and they did not outsell PS3 2:1 during Black Friday week."

Sony is disputing Microsoft's statement about the ratio of Xbox 360 to PS3 sales during the week of Black Friday. Here's what Kimberly Otzman, a Sony spokeswoman, said to Todd Bishop of seattlepi.com:

"It's (Sony Computer Entertainment America) policy not to disclose our unit sales numbers until NPD numbers are officially released which will be December 13th. However, I can assure you that Microsoft's estimates of our PS3 unit sales numbers are way off and they did not outsell PS3 2:1 during Black Friday week

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-89034.aspx

Tnasty11

Dec. 13th it is.

Wrong on all counts. Even Lupe Fiasco would run circles around that kid. Jay-Z would and so would Lil Wayne.

You can't listen to Lil wayne's mainstream work and judge him based on that. He's famous for what he does off camera really. Like I said I completely disagree so lets agree to disagree.

Liquid-GEAR

Nice rebutal:lol:

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and fact is that Mr. Lif is a rising star that despite his underground status has been compared to the likes of KRS One; a feat which Jay-Z and Lupe Fiasco aren't even close
to achieve.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=njgZ_GGYnoo

The day Lupe or Jay-Z can spit like he (and Edan of course; he'd also mop the floor which most of the dreamers you've mentioned) is when hip-hop is back on the track it fell off from in the mid 90s.

And Lil' Wayne is clearly mainstream. That is not only clear by listening to his oh-so-aimed-at-the-overall-public-music, but also the his popularity as well as those he collaborate with.

Let me introduce you to Cannibal Ox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dRjsaaK7uo

Lil' Who?:lol:

Lyrical geniouses...

Try to get a hold of the song 'The F-Word'. It's undisputable, lyrics don't get much better than that.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

American Gangster was okay at best. As I've said, I've heard some of Wayne's material, and he sure as hell is mainstream wether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Wow...I love your analysis of the song. The song was pretty much straight-forward, talking about the miserable state of hiphop today. The fact that you claimed that he had no delivery is enough for me to regard your post as moot. Fantastic lyrics, with great wordplay, a voice and flow that pretty much runs around Lil Wayne in circles, and more importantly a message that'll keep you thinking for quite some time. Lil' Wayne has yet to impress me even halfway within these elements.

There are several successful (success as in bringing the genre back to its roots) that don't necesarilly use any of the **** you listed to get their point across in a way that puts most rappers (including Lil' Wayne) to shame.

ToScA-

You can't listen to Lil wayne's mainstream work and judge him based on that. He's famous for what he does off camera really. Like I said I completely disagree so lets agree to disagree.

Nice rebutal:lol:

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and fact is that Mr. Lif is a rising star that despite his underground status has been compared to the likes of KRS One; a feat which Jay-Z and Lupe Fiasco aren't even close
to achieve.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=njgZ_GGYnoo

The day Lupe or Jay-Z can spit like he (and Edan of course; he'd also mop the floor which most of the dreamers you've mentioned) is when hip-hop is back on the track it fell off from in the mid 90s.

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Lots of 360s are failing so lemmings are buying it over and over again.Funkyhamster

That was pretty epic...

Holy sh..pwned. lol

Can't be a fact and an opinion can't be wrong.You can't argue lolLiquid-GEAR

It's clear that you're done.

Thanks.

Sony is disputing Microsoft's statement about the ratio of Xbox 360 to PS3 sales during the week of Black Friday. Here's what Kimberly Otzman, a Sony spokeswoman, said to Todd Bishop of seattlepi.com:

"It's (Sony Computer Entertainment America) policy not to disclose our unit sales numbers until NPD numbers are officially released which will be December 13th. However, I can assure you that Microsoft's estimates of our PS3 unit sales numbers are way off and they did not outsell PS3 2:1 during Black Friday week

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-89034.aspx

Tnasty11

wait why did ms say how many ps3 sold? never heard of that

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"]The future of rap = the decay of western society.Erkidu

So what does that say about video games and their fanboys. The decay of global society?

Then how about this. Your statement = Ignorant. You like that better?

[QUOTE="Tnasty11"]

Sony is disputing Microsoft's statement about the ratio of Xbox 360 to PS3 sales during the week of Black Friday. Here's what Kimberly Otzman, a Sony spokeswoman, said to Todd Bishop of seattlepi.com:

"It's (Sony Computer Entertainment America) policy not to disclose our unit sales numbers until NPD numbers are officially released which will be December 13th. However, I can assure you that Microsoft's estimates of our PS3 unit sales numbers are way off and they did not outsell PS3 2:1 during Black Friday week

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-89034.aspx

Liquid-GEAR

Dec. 13th it is.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Lil Wayne is the best rapper here and now :D

ToScA-

Sorry, but I can't, in any state of mind, agree with that.

me neither, NAS is the best

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"]The future of rap = the decay of western society.Blackbond

So what does that say about video games and their fanboys. The decay of global society?

Then how about this. Your statement = Ignorant. You like that better?

If MS is right and they did outsell PS3 by 2-1 then PS3 is in even in worse shape then I thought. In the past 2 months RnC and Uncharted came out, Also price cut, also a the 40gb sku. If after all that and still PS3 gets outsold by 2-1 then it will be a long painfull console gen for PS3.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"]The future of rap = the decay of western society.Erkidu

So what does that say about video games and their fanboys. The decay of global society?

Then how about this. Your statement = Ignorant. You like that better?

Its been well past your time to stop posting. You can't make a statement. And then say its your opinion seeing as how you stated something as it was fact.

And anybody can link something to worst rap lyrics. I can say video games are all garbage and then link you to Anubis II and E.T.

Your post isn't even laughable its just sad.

When people talk about American's being idiots they don't ever bring up Rap music. They bring up our President and the way we think we are the center of the world. I have never heard other countries say America is stupid becuase of Rap music. You're just making crap up now.

Oh and that also sounds far-fetched that other Nationalities would insult America. Seeing as how we are the home to so many. I can see it now how Koreans, Irish, Polish, African's, and Japanese amongst all other nationalities hate America lol.

Rap is the weakest form of music, lyricallyand musically. Try some Pink Floyd, Dizzy, Miles Davis, Def Leppard, Frank Zappa, O'jays,Bjork, Prince if you want some real good music.
The majority of rappers aren't even serious about there art form and just focus on "makin money".

Adrian_Cloud

So let me get this straight, you insult someone elses music yet list some crappy talentless bands who can't play the guitar for poop and the creator of the metrosexual and some singer that sounds like the witch queen? :|

I love it how fans of other music can hate on Rap yet people who like Rap never really go out of their way to put down other forms of music.Blackbond

Very untrue. I get a lot of crap for the music I listen to, especially from those who like rap. Not that all who listen to the genre are like that though.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

Please dont say hip hop and have Lil wayne in ur sig at the same time lol :p

Anywho yeah Im oldschool when hip hop was amazing and not commercial rap now catered for the masses and formulaic as hell

I used to love me some PE, EPMD, Gangstarr, Tribe, Slick Rick, Rakim, Pete Rock & CL smooth etc...

Dreams-Visions

I like old school as well and lil wayne is not commercial. He doesn feature on commercial songs BUT he isn't. How many lil wayne songs have you heard? Probably like 5 am I right? and all singles right? LOL

You should listen to Dedication 2, Drought 3, Drought is over 4. especially this track: "Trouble"

Im sorry I was raised on ****c hip hop music man, lil wayne is a downgrade and yes Ive heard some of his songs.

Are you a 50 cent fan by any chance? LOL

Calling somone a 50 Cent fan is like disrespecting his mother. Fighting words. :lol:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO TRUE!

But man no way. Im in to real Hip hop man. After the list of names I made how can someone ask me about50 cent.

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Lots of 360s are failing so lemmings are buying it over and over again.Dreams-Visions

he walked right into the trap. :lol:

:lol:

Lots of 360s are failing so lemmings are buying it over and over again.DaysAirlines

its the ps2 all over again :shock:

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Paddy345"]

http://www.vgchartz.com/

This site confirms 360 sales this week but ps3 and wii are ahead worldwide this week, ps3 outsells wii in japan again and outsells 360 in europe

Paddy345

Let's just never use vgchartz for any reason...even if they did get one number correct.

Actually they have proved reliable many times and confirmed many sales, you saying it's wrong cause you don't wanna believe it doesn't convince me, i'm sorry

it's sad that you use vgcharts even though you know it's unreliable

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Is this thread now about hip hop? SWEEET :D This is what I've been listening to recently:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=7372917

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=17334462

tbone802

Please dont say hip hop and have Lil wayne in ur sig at the same time lol :p

Anywho yeah Im oldschool when hip hop was amazing and not commercial rap now catered for the masses and formulaic as hell

I used to love me some PE, EPMD, Gangstarr, Tribe, Slick Rick, Rakim, Pete Rock & CL smooth etc...

Couldn't agree with that more. Late 80's - late 90's is where hip hop is at.

Sir u have my respect.

When Hip hop was an art form and real not this junk now. I was a TRUE hip hop head man. What happened to it is nasty.

How many of u new guys know who Jeru is or Gangstarr or KRS ONE or Tribe or Slick Rick or Rakim or Pete rock & CL smooth etc...?

Lol.. This is going to be fun. I can't believe anyone is arguing is this credible. After Microsoft lied about sales last year. I heard microsoft sold 3 million last winter, and 10.4 million overall. Then they stayed at 10.4 million for 6 months.

How much did PS3 sell? TC

Tnasty11

310,000/2

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Liquid-GEAR

Oh god no. Hes talented but best ever my god dude...

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Why didn't MS send out a press release about sales every two days like Sony did? They just played it quiet for some reason.Jandurin

exactly

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Dreams-Visions

I dont know about u guys but Chuck D IS hip hop. He was exactly all an MC should and could be.

Nas is good too as was Q Tip and Rakim and others but yeah Chuck D and KRS ONE are on the top of the list really.

Of what Hip hop really is.

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Lil wayne is the best rapper alive.Tsug_Ze_Wind

I would have to vomit.

Hahaha exactly dude.