The biggest lie in console gaming history

It must have been sony's 'the ps4 is the most powerfull console ever made'

Crackdown 3 would probably make it shutdown, possibly catch fire

and I mean it runs the witcher 3 at 20 fps...

Like how you are lying about software optimization being an equation to hardware performance? Jesus Christ man, lay off the post button. This is extra sad.

Not going into the legal ramifications or GameSpot's rules about software emulation on PC for a moment, let's simply look at how 360 games perform in emulation with the XBone. Can I say the XBone is a step backwards in hardware because it struggles with a game as simple as Mass Effect?

The answer is no. I can't Cow or even XBone hate to the levels of stupidity it would take to make a thread about this bumfuckery.

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I clicked on this thread expecting stupidity, and I was not disappointed.

software optimization how?

So the ps4 is now more difficult to dev for, it's a standard pc for christ sake

Just read my edit and then feel bad about starting this thread. Like really REALLY bad.

@commander: I don't suppose you have a link to Sony stating this?

@MonsieurX said:

We've had our arguments in the past but whn you're right you're right. Perhaps this is a lesson in shame on me.

Both you and XboxStache need to sit in a room and make love over the hate yall have over the two opposing systems.

Cringe-worthy bad thread.

This is beyond pathetic.

Another day....another butt hurt TC.

that doesn't even make sense, what does software optimization and emulating old x360 games has to do with this thread?

Simpy nothing!

I didn't even think it was possible to add more stupid to this thread, but here you are being an over-achiever.

You're just grasping for straws

Nope.

That the PS4 or Xbox One are good.

Both fanbases have been arguing over which console sucks less.

@Demonjoe93: lol, it's so satisfying.

lol that being a fanboy is a good thing.

Emulators introduces translation overheads hence you can't compare it with native programs.

Meh, Sony has a long history of lying to consumers. Why would the ps4 be any different

lol I just knew this would be some PS4 salt before clicking.

And wow what a lame OP. And then knowing that TC is likely older than most of the posters here and still brought something like this to the table.

Shame bro. Shame.

@commander:

Sony's belief that PS3 was superior to gaming PC which prompted the defensive presentation from nVidia.

During Folding at Home benchmark battles, nVidia shows their G80/G84 CUDA processors was superior on non-graphics math processing against CELL's SPE.

Both NVIDIA(via CUDA) and IBM (via CELL v2) was engaged in a battle in the heavy math server and HPC market.

Right, because "MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE OF ALL TIME" after 95% of the games playing better on your rival's console is super legit.

Is Crackdown even going to be 1080p/60fps? Also, there is nothing keeping Sony from using cloud computing in their games if they wish to do so. Sony's console is more powerful, but they are both shit anyway. Nice try with the fanboy bulshit.

@Desmonic: someone post that ps4 watch dogs ad for me. Then there are Sony execs like Adam Boyes implying that most Ps4 games will run at 1080/60.

@mems_1224: Cry all you want, that doesn't change that PS4 >> XB1 when it comes to power (no that either is some sort of powerhouse even by their launch standard). That has been shown time and time again.

But I guess when MS comes out with the hyperboles, it's cool.

MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE OF ALL TIME*!!

* Please note: Most games play better on our rival's machine.

Yeah, Witcher 3 runs like a slide show on PS4. But cows love to brag about 1080p so that's all what matters. Doesn't matter if they had to change the game's visuals from original build or compromise fps. What matters is 1080p. 20 fps are cinematic anyway (even lower than cinematic but you got my point).

@Desmonic: I never said anything about either console's power. Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with the MS thing. I don't remember that

@mems_1224: Really? I recall you saw the Gamescom livestream with all of us. I know you posted in the thread, in fact you even quoted me. Not sure why you're memory is faultering with something so recent, yet recalls Watch Dogs...

See, TC has made this thread because MS said that line ("MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE OF ALL TIME") when talking about Crackdown 3. Thus, context.

@Desmonic: MS said they had the most powerful console of all time during their press conference this week? I honestly don't remember that. I remember them saying over and over that they have the best Xbox lineup of all time but that's it. Do you remember when it happened during the show?

@mems_1224:

Alongside a bunch of "20x the powah of the XB1!!" that we saw during the trailer, yes.

http://www.gamesradar.com/crackdown-3-effectively-turns-your-xbox-one-most-powerful-console-ever-made/

So, I ask the question - does this technology make the Xbox One more powerful? Jones nods. Does it, effectively, make it the most powerful console ever made while those servers are running? Jones nods. While Crackdown utilises it purely for physics, the opportunity here is clear. Who knows what another company could make with this, given the time? For the moment, though, I'm not entirely bothered - I just knocked a penthouse balcony off its moorings and watched it take 20 others out on its way to the ground. I'm still smiling.

@ConanTheStoner: "Knowing that TC is likely older than most of the posters here and still brought something like this to the table.

Shame bro. Shame."

Exactly....

Any thread about Sony's lies is a good thread. Look how pissed these cows get when you remind them how Sony lies.

If you like being lied to, have no games, have last gen tech and constantly be strung along about greatness waiting, then the PS4 will suit you.

@Desmonic: I'm a bit disappointed with you. Microsoft never said that... That came from Gamesradar. Here we are talking about companies lying and here you are LYING saying that MS said that... **SMH**

....and yes Sony is the king of lying. Yet their fan base barely say shit to call them out except to continue to get buttf****ed while they say stupid a** shit like 20 million sales or current 8th gen leader. I swear are ponies even real gamers?

Ya know what I notice? Is that although Xbox fans will talk shit about Sony they will also talk crap about MS if they eff up. Not so with Sony Fraudboys who keep their mouths shut and will gladly remain bent over while Sony fu**s them up the a** just to save face in the name of a stupid console war. You guys are DUMB. You are a consumer/gamer first (at least I think you are but maybe not). Call Sony out when they lie or **** up. You should not be defending that Piece of sh*t Network with their bullish*t stability updates.

...and no. It's not cool to say a game like watchdogs is 1080/60 and then later on get EXPOSED in a BOLD FACE LIE. And no you should be ashamed of so-called remasters like God of War 3 that LOOKS EXACTLY like the ps3 version which did nothing except up rezz and fps; and yes you should be ashamed when MS releases Gears the Ultimate edition and ALL Gears games for just $40 bucks compared to what Phony is providing with uncharted with no MP. Yet you have idiots like Heili8 or whatever the f*uck his name is making stupid statements like "for gamers by gamers". Even if he's just clowning around shit like that makes ponies like that look like an idiot.

@T-razor1: I'm sorry, is the producer of Crackdown 3 not being payed by MS? I'm fairly sure neither you or me are paying for his salary. So, if a reporter (granted, "gaming reporter/journalist" lol) asks him "Is the Xbox One now the most powerful console of all time?" and his answer is positive, isn't he and the company he works for, accountable for that?

Because that's how the world works dude. If you're in representation of your company/parent company in any public (and even private) event, then whatever you say has you and the ones you're representing accountable. He could have easily answered "I can't comment on that" or "You'll have to ask Phil (and/or other Xbox representatives) about that". Nope. He agreed to that statement. Nor have you seen anyone at MS deny said "allegations".

Much like if say, someone from Naughty Dog came out and said, "Our games can't be done elsewhere because of X, Y, Z clearly PR based reasons." they, as Sony employees, would be accountable for that, but also Sony as a company for allowing that kind of message to be "told".

Quality of threads in system wars have gone to shit as of late. What happened?

Honestly, the title of this is flat out pathetic. Don't come out with shit like that and expect to be taken seriously.

We believe you...lol

Maybe I will compile a list of their current gen lies. The most recent one that comes to mind is during the PS4 reveal, they threw up a list of 150 developers that were "currently" working on PS4 games. Then they change the number to 23 and also said that Mojang was a "mistake" on that list.

They pull this shit time and time again. Most of the time they just brush it of with a "oh sorry, my bad" and know they can get away with it. They know the initial wave of hype puts Ponies on a power trip. More to come....

Sure, mister 'conanthestoner'

you already forgot what this thread was about the moment you wrote this post

NO it didn't prompted that,in fact what sony what was compare many times and wasn't sony who claim it were PC sites were results of systems vs PC using only the CPU.

How 31,000K PS3 would beat 162,000 PC,Nvidia never release that as a response to sony.

It is you who claim that and it is you who can't stop comparing Cell to Cuda cores inside Nvidia GPU,Cell is so freaking great that you have to use a GPU to actually beat it since most CPU on 2007 would lick its feet crunching numbers.

Hell on 2009 the PS3 using Cell actually beat an intel i7 965 encoding movies.

According to the announcement of Fixstars reached the Cell processor of the Playstation a performance of 29 FPS, that is 1.2 times real-time conversion - the cell has a similar performance as the CUDA Badaboom encoder in combination with an Nvidia Geforce GTX-285. By comparison, Intel's current top-CPU, the Core i7 965 XE, does it still at 18 FPS - normal desktop CPUs even create only about 5 FPS.

http://www.nairaland.com/275825/ps3-cell-faster-than-core

Hahahahaa....

You still mad about Cell been so great...lol

Again, why the artificial separation between SPE from CUDA when the majority of the workloads are raster graphics related?

NVIDIA's counter presentation was against Sony's PS3 vs PC claims.

Why limit the PC without using the best PC config i.e. gaming PC as of late 2006 which is 1 month ahead of PS3?

The standard flag bearer for gaming PC for late 2006 was NVIDIA G80 + Intel Core 2 Duo combo i.e. new box vs new box.

PC without a GPU is not gaming PC i.e. it's again apples to oranges comparison by Sony.

SPEs doesn't even have CPU's supervisor and user instruction set modes i.e. fails the 68K CPU feature test.

Here's Digitalfoundry's take on the encoder, not surprisingly the view is fairly negative.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/codecsys-video-encoding-on-ps3-article

That said, the speed is the key here, and make no mistake, CodecSys CE-10 can be stupendously fast. In my tests I found I could encode 720p at 35-40FPS, while 1080p came in at around 20-24FPS. That isn't exactly real-time, but it's still very, very fast. But speed counts for nothing in the greater scheme of things, if the quality of the encode you get out of the other end isn't particularly good. The freeware x264 encoder can pump out 1080p at a sustained 24FPS using just one core of a 3.0GHz Core 2 Duo if you turn off enough encoding features. Speed is important, but the whole point of h264 is that quality is king.

Fixstar misrepresented PC's CPU performance by not comparing apples to apples and selecting crappy encoding software/settings for the PC side.

The rest of the PC market didn't believe CELL's claims and Intel keeps on winning. Poke Intel on FLOPS issue (or any issue) enough and you'll get plenty of FLOPS i.e. Intel racing ahead to AVXv3 512bits SIMD for Sky-Lake-E and Cannon-Lake.

Fold at Home benchmark has higher relation to physics workloads than a video encoder.

In the end, PS4's design is the evidence for gaming PC's processing model** wins

**Gaming PC's data processing model

CPU: out-of-order design, good branching, good stack handling (for C++ function call handling), Per clock, AMD Jaguar is roughly similar to Intel Core 2's performance. AMD Jaguar supports 128bit SSE SIMD hardware as per Intel Core 2 standard and Intel 256bit AVXv1 (via 128bit SIMD hardware). Focused on the best single thread/serial thread performance per watt. X86 ISA acts like instruction compression. ARM adopted compressed 16bit instruction set with it's 32bit instruction set. PowerPC killed by X86 and ARM.

Also, X86 is a stack based CPU design which is optimized for C++ or function call driven computer languages i.e. one of the few reasons why Doom 3 for MacOS PPC was inferior to X86 version. X86 is capable mixing GPR, FPU and SIMD registers without hitting via memory or cache transfers i.e. another reason why Doom 3 for MacOS PPC was inferior to X86 version.

GPU: AMD GCN has 64 element MIMD warp/wave front instruction issue model. NVIDIA CUDA G8x era has 16 or 32 element MIMD warp/wave-front instruction issue model. Current NVIDIA Maxwell has 128 MIMD warp/wave-front instruction issue model. PC GpGPUs from NVIDIA G80 to AMD GCN v1.3 and NVIDIA Maxwellv2 has multiple thousands of registers (SRAM) model. SPE only has a tiny set of 128 registers (SRAM). Focused on the best data parallel processing performance per watt.

IBM CELL= master of nothing i.e. mediocre CPU (PPE) and mediocre at data parallel processor (SPE).

Sony's PS4 is the evidence for gaming PC's processing model being the superior solution.

Intel/AMD/NVIDIA solutions = win

IBM solutions = dead.

PC industry scores another kill i.e. IBM. PC industry keeps on killing IBM's solutions. CELL design was spirited from PS2's EE with IBM's PPC IP i.e. SPE ISA being based from PPE/VMX ISA.

From http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/power/pdfs/pa-cmpware1/pa-cmpware1-pdf.pdf

The collection of processors in a Cell Broadband Engine™ (Cell/B.E.) processor displays a DSP-like architecture. This means that the order in which the SPUs.

Notice IBM didn't state SPU being CPU like. IBM > YOU.

I posted the IBM link in 2014 against your stupid claims AND you still went against the designer for the damn CELL.

Try again.

I thought the PS3 was the most powerful console.

If you get a chance watch these. This will bring you up to date how Sony's top brass has no problem lying to your face. The lies trickle down from there. While watching these I couldn't help think of last years E3 with the whole Uncharted 4 beach scene and the "In game, in engine, running real time on PS4". The lies won't stop until fans of Sony put a end to it.

Please save Shenmue too. ROFL>

The wall of lies.

XBone's still upset that their dud console is a weak PoS?

Even Ubisoft admits that they purposely gimp the PS4 versions of their games so they don't hurt xboners feewings. Get over it.