The colors of Xbox 360: Why the PS3 is the much, much better choice

[QUOTE="Pokeratxbox"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

A lot of lemmings are like women in bad relationships, he beats me up, he takes my money, but I still love him.

Nagidar

You know what, I think it's a interesting analogy. I feel that way about 360 fans who refuse to see the reality that's infront of them.

Who is the one not seeing reality? The fanboy or the non-fanboy? My eyes are open, are yours?

hey nogginki, how is your blue-ray date going, i bet your reality is very good for you. i have a question you, when blue-ray becomes outdated, will your girlfriend dum you, or will you get the next thing. oh and you must not be a social guy if you rely on a blue ray player to get girls.

Err...what? :question:

the Tc alternate account was nogginki, you know ,the kid who could get a girl with blue ray

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Pokeratxbox"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

You know what, I think it's a interesting analogy. I feel that way about 360 fans who refuse to see the reality that's infront of them.

Pokeratxbox

Who is the one not seeing reality? The fanboy or the non-fanboy? My eyes are open, are yours?

hey nogginki, how is your blue-ray date going, i bet your reality is very good for you. i have a question you, when blue-ray becomes outdated, will your girlfriend dum you, or will you get the next thing. oh and you must not be a social guy if you rely on a blue ray player to get girls.

Err...what? :question:

the Tc alternate account was nogginki, you know ,the kid who get a girl with blue ray

That I know, but you quoted me so I was confused. lol

Thread failed for not realizing Xbox 360 comes in black also.SSCyborg

I was thinking the same thing. He totally forgot that the Elite is completely BLACK and comes with a BLACK controller. Wow, thing guy wasted his time typing all that crap just to OWN HIMSELF. :lol: :lol:

Of Microsoft was truly fearful of Sony, they would have bought out their company a long time ago. The company you should be talking to about FEAR is EA Games & EA Sports. They are a fearful company.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Thread failed for not realizing Xbox 360 comes in black also.blackace

I was thinking the same thing. He totally forgot that the Elite is completely BLACK and comes with a BLACK controller. Wow, thing guy wasted his time typing all that crap just to OWN HIMSELF. :lol: :lol:

Of Microsoft was truly fearful of Sony, they would have bought out their company a long time ago. The company you should be talking to about FEAR is EA Games & EA Sports. They are a fearful company.

Not according to the guy in my sig. :lol:

i feel sorry for this guy he look desparate !legol1

I'm thinking maybe the TC is the one who is fearful.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Thread failed for not realizing Xbox 360 comes in black also.Nagidar

I was thinking the same thing. He totally forgot that the Elite is completely BLACK and comes with a BLACK controller. Wow, thing guy wasted his time typing all that crap just to OWN HIMSELF. :lol: :lol:

Of Microsoft was truly fearful of Sony, they would have bought out their company a long time ago. The company you should be talking to about FEAR is EA Games & EA Sports. They are a fearful company.

Not according to the guy in my sig. :lol:

The guy in your sig doesn't have a clue. M$ is a billion dollar company. Has been for many years. Yes, they could purchase Sony fairly easily. Sony's billions are in YEN, not in DOLLARS.

I just did some research just to prove my point. Check out this list from Mar 2007 on Forbes website. These are the top 2000 richest companies in the world.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/18/biz_07forbes2000_The-Global-2000_Rank.html

Microsoft is worth $275 billion and is #66 on the list. Bill Gates along is worth 59 billion. http://www.billgatesmicrosoft.com/networth.htm

Now let's take a look at Sony. They are #164 on the list and worth $52 billion. Bill Gates by himself is worth more then Sony's company. So please don't tell me M$ couldn't buy Sony. They could buy them a couple times over. :lol: :lol:

Like I said, your budding in your sig is clueless.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Thread failed for not realizing Xbox 360 comes in black also.blackace

I was thinking the same thing. He totally forgot that the Elite is completely BLACK and comes with a BLACK controller. Wow, thing guy wasted his time typing all that crap just to OWN HIMSELF. :lol: :lol:

Of Microsoft was truly fearful of Sony, they would have bought out their company a long time ago. The company you should be talking to about FEAR is EA Games & EA Sports. They are a fearful company.

Not according to the guy in my sig. :lol:

The guy in your sig doesn't have a clue. M$ is a billion dollar company. Has been for many years. Yes, they could purchase Sony fairly easily. Sony's billions are in YEN, not in DOLLARS.

Yea, I know, the last time I checked, MS was sitting at around 248 Billion dollars and SONY was at around 40 billion.

Fact: PS3 does not have Halo!

Fact: The above is not condusive to a fun console

Fact: The above means that PS3 = fail

Fact: The above is awesome for xbox and xbox 360 owners!

Fact: I am out of facts...

Fact: Actually as long as I am factually out of facts I can keep going indefinately

Fact: Doing the above may cause the internet and/or GameSpot (they are the same thing right?) to crash due the the large amount of bandwith required for facts.

Fact: This must end

Almost a Fact: This has ended...

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Uh, do some research before opening your mouth, it WAS worse the RRoD, it took a lawsuit before SONY would do anything.

Nagidar

yes it was, it took them a entire year (if not more) to finaly admit the ps2's were faulty. my friend went through ALOT of trouble with sony's customer service.

Exactly, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2's, I haven't had any trouble with my current PS2, thank god.

The 360 comes in Black as well, so you instantly failed there.True

1. I'm not saying the RRoD is false, but I do know its fakeable. (I've done it myself) True

2. "Just wait..." gotcha. The wait is over cause 2008 is here

3. You do know on paper the Xenos has more raw graphical power than the RSX, right? Xenos is stronger than the RSX in some aspects

4. In case you haven't heard, both SONY and MS are predicted to release a console around 2010 and 2011. BTW, in 2011 will be 5 years for the 360, the average lifespan for a game console is *GASP* 5 years! Not Sony, the PS4 will probably come out in 2012 and the PS3 will still be around for a few more years

5. MS lost too much money on the Xbox, 4 billion dollars, the Xbox was meant to introduce the brand, which is what it did, nothing more. The 360 was meant to aquire an install base and the 720 is suppose to take over the console market, apparently, this is a 3 step plan put in place by MS. So your saying the 360 wont win but the 720 will? 3 step plan? Why not a 2 step plan?

6. PS2 DRE was MUCH worse than the RRoD, check your facts before spewing garbage out of your face hole, SONY wouldn't do anything about it and made customers pay to repair their PS2's untill SONY was threatened with a law suit. FALSE, rrod is worse

7. Again, refer to the PS2. True

8. The PS3 has the most theroretical power, but is hard to develope for and horribly inefficient compared to the 360. True but not inefficient cause many companies such as Nasa are using PS3's and not 360's to calculate stuff.

9. BluRay has yet to prove its neccesity this Gen, the ONLY reason games are using so much space on a BR disc is because the games are UN-compressed and they put 7865784 languages on it. True but MGS4 shows that Blu Ray is needed and so are many other titles

10. The PS3 doesn't own BluRay movies (Instant failure here as well), you can buy much better BluRay players than the PS3. True but BD Live makes the PS3 a better Blu Ray PLayer

11. "Just wait..." and this is also a matter of opinion. False

12. Home is not a game, its an interactive enviornment for PSN users to meet up and do whatever. Cool idea, but not needed.

True but it still a step higher than gamertags

13. My 360 doesn't "buzz", do you even own one? True but it sounds like a chainsaw

And finally, no, they are not reasonable, they ARE bias, but thats what we expect from a fanboy. A fanboy yourself

Nagidar

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

The 360 comes in Black as well, so you instantly failed there.True

1. I'm not saying the RRoD is false, but I do know its fakeable. (I've done it myself) True

2. "Just wait..." gotcha. The wait is over cause 2008 is here

3. You do know on paper the Xenos has more raw graphical power than the RSX, right? Xenos is stronger than the RSX in some aspects

4. In case you haven't heard, both SONY and MS are predicted to release a console around 2010 and 2011. BTW, in 2011 will be 5 years for the 360, the average lifespan for a game console is *GASP* 5 years! Not Sony, the PS4 will probably come out in 2012 and the PS3 will still be around for a few more years

5. MS lost too much money on the Xbox, 4 billion dollars, the Xbox was meant to introduce the brand, which is what it did, nothing more. The 360 was meant to aquire an install base and the 720 is suppose to take over the console market, apparently, this is a 3 step plan put in place by MS. So your saying the 360 wont win but the 720 will? 3 step plan? Why not a 2 step plan?

6. PS2 DRE was MUCH worse than the RRoD, check your facts before spewing garbage out of your face hole, SONY wouldn't do anything about it and made customers pay to repair their PS2's untill SONY was threatened with a law suit. FALSE, rrod is worse

7. Again, refer to the PS2. True

8. The PS3 has the most theroretical power, but is hard to develope for and horribly inefficient compared to the 360. True but not inefficient cause many companies such as Nasa are using PS3's and not 360's to calculate stuff.

9. BluRay has yet to prove its neccesity this Gen, the ONLY reason games are using so much space on a BR disc is because the games are UN-compressed and they put 7865784 languages on it. True but MGS4 shows that Blu Ray is needed and so are many other titles

10. The PS3 doesn't own BluRay movies (Instant failure here as well), you can buy much better BluRay players than the PS3. True but BD Live makes the PS3 a better Blu Ray PLayer

11. "Just wait..." and this is also a matter of opinion. False

12. Home is not a game, its an interactive enviornment for PSN users to meet up and do whatever. Cool idea, but not needed.

True but it still a step higher than gamertags

13. My 360 doesn't "buzz", do you even own one? True but it sounds like a chainsaw

And finally, no, they are not reasonable, they ARE bias, but thats what we expect from a fanboy. A fanboy yourself

Sony_92

actually, i'm still waiting, unless you know of a store that's currently selling MGS4.

"Flames burn. LIVE fees burn your wallet. 50 dollars a month."

odd..im paying 50 dollars a year :roll:

lawlessx

before i read the " Odd.. I'm paying $50.00 a year, I thought you were a cow with a false attempt at flaming :P

[QUOTE="Sony_92"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

The 360 comes in Black as well, so you instantly failed there.True

1. I'm not saying the RRoD is false, but I do know its fakeable. (I've done it myself) True

2. "Just wait..." gotcha. The wait is over cause 2008 is here

3. You do know on paper the Xenos has more raw graphical power than the RSX, right? Xenos is stronger than the RSX in some aspects

4. In case you haven't heard, both SONY and MS are predicted to release a console around 2010 and 2011. BTW, in 2011 will be 5 years for the 360, the average lifespan for a game console is *GASP* 5 years! Not Sony, the PS4 will probably come out in 2012 and the PS3 will still be around for a few more years

5. MS lost too much money on the Xbox, 4 billion dollars, the Xbox was meant to introduce the brand, which is what it did, nothing more. The 360 was meant to aquire an install base and the 720 is suppose to take over the console market, apparently, this is a 3 step plan put in place by MS. So your saying the 360 wont win but the 720 will? 3 step plan? Why not a 2 step plan?

6. PS2 DRE was MUCH worse than the RRoD, check your facts before spewing garbage out of your face hole, SONY wouldn't do anything about it and made customers pay to repair their PS2's untill SONY was threatened with a law suit. FALSE, rrod is worse

7. Again, refer to the PS2. True

8. The PS3 has the most theroretical power, but is hard to develope for and horribly inefficient compared to the 360. True but not inefficient cause many companies such as Nasa are using PS3's and not 360's to calculate stuff.

9. BluRay has yet to prove its neccesity this Gen, the ONLY reason games are using so much space on a BR disc is because the games are UN-compressed and they put 7865784 languages on it. True but MGS4 shows that Blu Ray is needed and so are many other titles

10. The PS3 doesn't own BluRay movies (Instant failure here as well), you can buy much better BluRay players than the PS3. True but BD Live makes the PS3 a better Blu Ray PLayer

11. "Just wait..." and this is also a matter of opinion. False

12. Home is not a game, its an interactive enviornment for PSN users to meet up and do whatever. Cool idea, but not needed.

True but it still a step higher than gamertags

13. My 360 doesn't "buzz", do you even own one? True but it sounds like a chainsaw

And finally, no, they are not reasonable, they ARE bias, but thats what we expect from a fanboy. A fanboy yourself

clone01

actually, i'm still waiting, unless you know of a store that's currently selling MGS4.

What do you mean? Kojima has ALRADY SAID THE BLU RAY WAS TO SMALL FOR MGS4

actually, i'm still waiting, unless you know of a store that's currently selling MGS4.

What do you mean? Kojima has ALRADY SAID THE BLU RAY WAS TO SMALL FOR MGS4

so does that mean it won't be released? uh oh, looks like its more waiting for me.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Uh, do some research before opening your mouth, it WAS worse the RRoD, it took a lawsuit before SONY would do anything.

Nagidar

yes it was, it took them a entire year (if not more) to finaly admit the ps2's were faulty. my friend went through ALOT of trouble with sony's customer service.

Exactly, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2's, I haven't had any trouble with my current PS2, thank god.

Err..same with RROD, cept the Lawsuit part, Microsoft also denied RROD. The interwebs caught fire about RROD. The difference is PS2s had shoddy manufacturing, the 360 has a shoddy design. Also, RROD turned up earlier while DRE took quite a while to turn up which explains the disparity in response times to both crisis.

I had my launch PS2 DRE on me within 2 months, than, my next one within 4 months. I also had a 360 RRoD on me, but that didn't happen untill a year and a 1/2 after I bought it. (Launch consoles for both)

I still have a working launch ps2, RROD is far worse, i don't think many would argue

You completly failed in 1.) point

360 has far more, more varied and covering more genres games than PS3 in 2008

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theflash118

X2...

THe PS3 does have a nice range of colours to choose from though =D

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

The 360 comes in Black as well, so you instantly failed there.True

1. I'm not saying the RRoD is false, but I do know its fakeable. (I've done it myself) True

2. "Just wait..." gotcha. The wait is over cause 2008 is here The wait is over? Where can you buy these games?

3. You do know on paper the Xenos has more raw graphical power than the RSX, right? Xenos is stronger than the RSX in some aspects Actually, look up the spec sheet, the Xenos is stronger in almost ALL aspects.

4. In case you haven't heard, both SONY and MS are predicted to release a console around 2010 and 2011. BTW, in 2011 will be 5 years for the 360, the average lifespan for a game console is *GASP* 5 years! Not Sony, the PS4 will probably come out in 2012 and the PS3 will still be around for a few more years Still being around and releasing a new console are completely different, still doesn't change the fact that the average life span of a console is 5 years.

5. MS lost too much money on the Xbox, 4 billion dollars, the Xbox was meant to introduce the brand, which is what it did, nothing more. The 360 was meant to aquire an install base and the 720 is suppose to take over the console market, apparently, this is a 3 step plan put in place by MS. So your saying the 360 wont win but the 720 will? 3 step plan? Why not a 2 step plan? I'm not saying who will and will not win, I'm pointing out MS's supposed plan and it makes sense from a buissness point of view.

6. PS2 DRE was MUCH worse than the RRoD, check your facts before spewing garbage out of your face hole, SONY wouldn't do anything about it and made customers pay to repair their PS2's untill SONY was threatened with a law suit. FALSE, rrod is worse You're plain wrong, do some research. I'm tired of explaining this to you SONY fanboys.

7. Again, refer to the PS2. True

8. The PS3 has the most theroretical power, but is hard to develope for and horribly inefficient compared to the 360. True but not inefficient cause many companies such as Nasa are using PS3's and not 360's to calculate stuff. The PS3 (More specifically the Cell) is good at raw number crunching, nothing more, The ONLY thing the Cell can do better than the Xenon is GFLOPS. The Cell is lacking in Branch Prediction on top of being hard to develope for, the Xenos runs at 99% efficiency while the RSX runs at around 75%.

9. BluRay has yet to prove its neccesity this Gen, the ONLY reason games are using so much space on a BR disc is because the games are UN-compressed and they put 7865784 languages on it. True but MGS4 shows that Blu Ray is needed and so are many other titles No, BR hasn't proven its needed, PS3 games are uncompressed and have 786746 languages in them

10. The PS3 doesn't own BluRay movies (Instant failure here as well), you can buy much better BluRay players than the PS3. True but BD Live makes the PS3 a better Blu Ray PLayer Do some research, there are MANY better BD players on the market.

11. "Just wait..." and this is also a matter of opinion. False He edited his post.

12. Home is not a game, its an interactive enviornment for PSN users to meet up and do whatever. Cool idea, but not needed.

True but it still a step higher than gamertags

13. My 360 doesn't "buzz", do you even own one? True but it sounds like a chainsaw My 360 doesn't even make any noise besides a very low hum from the fan, do you even own one?

And finally, no, they are not reasonable, they ARE bias, but thats what we expect from a fanboy. A fanboy yourself How am I a fanboy, you even said most of the stuff I said was true, self ownage at its best.

Sony_92

No games to look forward to this year besides Gears of War 2? This must be a joke thread, that or System Wars has hit an all time low.

I think I need a little break from System Wars, I've reached my limit for tolerating ignorance.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

yes it was, it took them a entire year (if not more) to finaly admit the ps2's were faulty. my friend went through ALOT of trouble with sony's customer service.

5starsteve

Exactly, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2's, I haven't had any trouble with my current PS2, thank god.

Err..same with RROD, cept the Lawsuit part, Microsoft also denied RROD. The interwebs caught fire about RROD. The difference is PS2s had shoddy manufacturing, the 360 has a shoddy design. Also, RROD turned up earlier while DRE took quite a while to turn up which explains the disparity in response times to both crisis.

I had my launch PS2 DRE on me within 2 months, than, my next one within 4 months. I also had a 360 RRoD on me, but that didn't happen untill a year and a 1/2 after I bought it. (Launch consoles for both)

I still have a working launch ps2, RROD is far worse, i don't think many would argue

That just means you're one of the lucky ones, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2 within an 8 month period and 1 RRoD over a 1 1/2 year period, not to mention it took a class action law suit to get SONY to do something about it. Not that either of these 2 issues are any good for anyone.

WHITE: THE COLOR OF FEAR

When we are scared, our blood rushes away from our face, making us look pale. The 360 looking so white reminds me that it has plenty to fear:

1) Fear of dying (RROD)

2) Fear of future games. The 360 had several good exclusives during its last two years. But now things are looking bleak. It upcoming exclusives, apart from Gears 2, are basically lesser known, lesser anticipated games--none with the ability to significantly move consoles. Just about every industry analyst worth his salt has said the 360 will have inferior games to the PS3 in 2008.

3) Fear of maxed out capabilities. In 2008, what game has Xbox fans used consistently as the standard bearer of amazing graphics? Gears of War! Yes, a 2006 game. After dozens and dozens of games since the 2006, not a single game on the 360 has topped Gears of War. If this is not a sign that the 360 has maxed out or is very closed to being maxed out, I don't know what is.

4) Fear of Xbox 720 coming out too soon. Rumors of Xbox 720 coming in 2009 or 2010 has surfaced. Halo 4 is nowhere in sight (Perhaps Microsoft is holding out for the 720). RROD is still not fixed. Japan has already dug a grave for the 360. Europe is digging or threatening to dig one now (that's why there's a price drop), every month in 2008 has seen the 360 beaten by the PS3 in sales. This fear is truly justified.

5) Fear of abandonment. So far Microsoft is known to ignore, abandon its older child when a new born arrives. Remember the first Xbox and how much support it gets after Xbox 360 came out? Yep. Insignificant support. What happens to the 360 when the 720 comes out? If you take history seriously, the 360 has reasons to fear.

6)Fear of low resale Value. Who wants to buy a used console that is the most unreliable in the history of console gaming? People who buy used consoles or games are probably too cheap to pay for LIVE fees. So it's gonna be hard to sell the 360 console or games when moving up to the 720, which seems to come out pretty soon. And that HD-DVD add-on? Yeah. You know what I mean.

RED: THE COLOR OF DANGER

1) Red stands for Warning: Console is Unreliable. Think about certain species of snakes. The red color means danger. Fortunately, the 360 is not dangerous to the gamer, but to itself (Red Ring of Death) and to its DVDs (disk scratching--to be fair this problem is not as prevalent).

2) Red is also the color of dangerous flames. Flames burn. LIVE fees burn your wallet. 50 dollars a year. 250 dollars in 5 years, more if you include interests. This makes the 360 a more expensive console to own than the PS3, if you play online that is!!! Why buy the 360 if don't want to play on-line?

3) Which gaming company this generation is most likely to burn in hell? Microsoft. It caused the most suffering, anger, and resentment. Microsoft has lied, denied, and still do about the reliability of its consoles. 3-5% failure rate? Liar! Objective analysis have come up with as high as 33% failure rate. Microsoft also lied when it says HD-DVD was the best for consumers. 300,000 gamers suffered because Microsoft. An unecessary format war lasted more than a year because of Microsoft. So yeah, Microsoft is without a doubt the most evil company this generation.

GREEN: THE COLOR OF ENVY

1) Envy of the PS3's power. The PS3 is the most powerful console on the planet. Xbox 360 fans might say, but it's pretty much the same. Games look pretty much the same. To me this denial is just another form of envy. Especially in 2008. If you look at Grant Tourismo 5 and not see the PS3's superior power, well, you should examine the integrity of your character. Will there ever be a good looking game on the 360 with 60 players online? On the PS3 there's Resistance 2.

2) Envy of the PS3's larger Blu-ray disk. The 360 uses last-gen DVD9. Disk swapping remains an issue. For some genres, Large and long games with amazing graphics are impossible or impratical on the 360. If you are a sound snob, you might not want the 360. HD sounds take up too much space for the 360's DVD9, but not for PS3's Blu-ray disk.

3)Envy of the PS3's Blu-ray movies. If you want the best versions of the movies, 1080p, HD sounds, Interactive extras, you can only find them on Blu-ray.

4)Envy of PS3 owners having a Blu-ray date. PS3 owners have a peace of mind knowing that they allow their girls to watch the the BEST versions of the movies at the privacy of their rooms. This is not to say that physical and personal compatibilities are less important than a Blu-ray player. They are more important. But a girl always appreciates it when you get her the best of anything, including movie qualities.

5) Envy of the PS3's exlusives. Exclusives that don't go to the PC. Exclusives that have a long, respectable hisory: Gran Tourismo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Tekken, etc. Plus other exclusives like MJB 2008: The Show (The best baseball game in the market today), Resistance 2 and it's huge multiplayer and innovative co-op gameplay, Killzone 2, Little Big Plannet, etc.

6) Envy of HOME. Not out yet. But it's like a free game that's always evolving, always there on the console. A next-generation place to see and be seen.

7) Envy of the PS3's love all over the world. Yep, the world loves the PS3 more. The US is starting to love the PS3 more, too.

8 ) Envy of the PS3's silence. During that part of the game or movie when silence is suspenseful, the 360's buzzing sound can be quite disruptive and annoying.

This post might seem biased towards the PS3, but the lists are reasonable, and the implications are clear. The PS3 is simply the better choice. Xbox 360 fans can only use past games in their argument for so long. This is already 2008. Bigger and better games are starting to come out. So far the best 2008 games are on the PS3, and the future looks much, much brighter for the PS3 than the 360.

Sihanouk

Wow...I can't believe you spent all that time to type all of that out when it says absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE="5starsteve"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

Nagidar

I still have a working launch ps2, RROD is far worse, i don't think many would argue

That just means you're one of the lucky ones, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2 within an 8 month period and 1 RRoD over a 1 1/2 year period, not to mention it took a class action law suit to get SONY to do something about it. Not that either of these 2 issues are any good for anyone.

I'd say your unlucky, most people I know with PS2 don't even know what your talking about. Infact quite a few of my friends still have the big original PS2. My brother still uses his to play his DVDs. Also MS didn't come right out and just fix the x360s like you are trying to imply. Infact they deleted forum posts concerning the issue, they lied saying it was within "industry norms", etc... It's pretty sad your best argument for X360 is bashing on a last gen console. Keep in mind there are no actually fixed X360s either, the ones they send out are just currently working. And their customer service sucks, my friends X360 who died they tried to squirm out of fixing it every way they could before finally sending him a replacement. They kept trying to say it was his fault and he would have to pay for it.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="5starsteve"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

EmperorSupreme

I still have a working launch ps2, RROD is far worse, i don't think many would argue

That just means you're one of the lucky ones, I had 2 DRE's on my PS2 within an 8 month period and 1 RRoD over a 1 1/2 year period, not to mention it took a class action law suit to get SONY to do something about it. Not that either of these 2 issues are any good for anyone.

I'd say your unlucky, most people I know with PS2 don't even know what your talking about. Infact quite a few of my friends still have the big original PS2. My brother still uses his to play his DVDs. Also MS didn't come right out and just fix the x360s like you are trying to imply. Infact they deleted forum posts concerning the issue, they lied saying it was within "industry norms", etc... It's pretty sad your best argument for X360 is bashing on a last gen console. Keep in mind there are no actually fixed X360s either, the ones they send out are just currently working. And their customer service sucks, my friends X360 who died they tried to squirm out of fixing it every way they could before finally sending him a replacement. They kept trying to say it was his fault and he would have to pay for it.

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating that the amount of DRE PS2's was far more than the amount of RRoD 360's and the fact it took a law suit for SONY to do anything says alot, at least MS tried to do something, unlike SONY. is RRoD an issue? Yes. Was DRE an issue. Yes. Its just DRE's were far worse than RRoD.

At least lems don't have to make 10+ threads everyday to justify their console and they don't feel insecure about their purchase.bigevil_rashek

*points to his nose*

Thats about the jist since he has joined shianouk hasn't posted in an forum besides system wars.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/post_history.php?user=Sihanouk

AS you can see this is specifically the reason no one believes shianouk nearly 65% of his articles have been locked, he only posts in system wars he posts in no one elses threads but his own after thus posting them, and never once has he brought forth a shred of proof, or links to back up his claim, he simply posts his opinion then laxly defends it...

The current thread is one of the more laughable ones.

@emporer
I would say you and your friends are unlucky, Me and many of my friends have HAD NO problems with the 360 I own 2 and both have been working and one is a pro launch 360...Id say your pretty unlucky cause i went through 3 ps2's before i got a slimline and finally the DRE problems we're fixed.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="5starsteve"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

Nagidar

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating that the amount of DRE PS2's was far more than the amount of RRoD 360's and the fact it took a law suit for SONY to do anything says alot, at least MS tried to do something, unlike SONY. is RRoD an issue? Yes. Was DRE an issue. Yes. Its just DRE's were far worse than RRoD.

You don't think there were lawsuits against X360 and the RROD?? :lol: Microsoft is so great for releasing their known defective console a year early so they could get some extra market share.. Maybe this will open your eyes a bit.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=action+lawsuit+360&btnG=Search

Some want a full recall on X360, which in my opinion they should've done since Microsoft has admitted that **all** as in 100% of X360s have the defect and there is no fix. How is PS2 and it's laser alignment issue worse when only some units had it and infact you could even fix it yourself if you knew how. Just a matter of turning a gear a few clicks.

ps. sorry about the edits, GS system keeps freaking out about the lawsuits url

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating that the amount of DRE PS2's was far more than the amount of RRoD 360's and the fact it took a law suit for SONY to do anything says alot, at least MS tried to do something, unlike SONY. is RRoD an issue? Yes. Was DRE an issue. Yes. Its just DRE's were far worse than RRoD.

EmperorSupreme

You don't think there were lawsuits against X360 and the RROD?? :lol: Microsoft is so great for releasing their known defective console a year early so they could get some extra market share.. Maybe this will open your eyes a bit.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=x360+action+lawsuit&btnG=Search

Some want a full recall on X360, which in my opinion they should've done since Microsoft has admitted that **all** as in 100% of X360s have the defect and there is no fix. How is PS2 and it's laser alignment issue worse when only some units had it and infact you could even fix it yourself if you knew how. Just a matter of turning a gear a few clicks.

There is no lawsuit and likely will not be a lawsuit against MS for this because even though it took them a while, they openly admitted a problem and tried to do something about it, SONY would not admit to the DRE problem, it literally took a law suit for them to do ANYTHING.

You don't think there were lawsuits against X360 and the RROD?? :lol: Microsoft is so great for releasing their known defective console a year early so they could get some extra market share.. Maybe this will open your eyes a bit.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=action+lawsuit+360&btnG=Search

Some want a full recall on X360, which in my opinion they should've done since Microsoft has admitted that **all** as in 100% of X360s have the defect and there is no fix. How is PS2 and it's laser alignment issue worse when only some units had it and infact you could even fix it yourself if you knew how. Just a matter of turning a gear a few clicks.

ps. sorry about the edits, GS system keeps freaking out about the lawsuits url

EmperorSupreme

Wrong. you could not fix it with a few alignments if your whole laser assembly was faulty, That fix only worked on alignment problems and even then...UH OH!!! you broke your warrenty when you opened the system, and if you tried to send it in and get it fixed?

Sony: we are sorry sony does not recognize any problem with your system, you sir are lieing you will have to pay 150 bux to get that fixed sir! please insert credit card.
SOny NEVER EVER admited there was a bad alignment problem, and laser assembly defect rate that wasn't FIXED untill the slimline where they totally redesigned the system any ways, it wasn't untill a LAW Suit was brought againest them and won that sony finally gave free service to any one with problems with laser assembly, Infact one year over 500,000 laser assemblies we're recalled because of bad sony design.

The author of the original post in this thread has come up with one of the most lucid, point by point summaries of why, at the end of the day, the PS3 will match and overtake the Xbox 360. I think loyalty to a product an individual has invested in can definitely cloud one's objectivity, and this is a perfect example of that. When the facts are on the table and both systems are compared side by side, about the only things the Xbox community can come up with as a rebuttal are that there are more and better games for the 360 (true) and that the online experience is much better (also true).

Now, with regards to the former argument, one would have to be in complete denial to ignore the avalanche of first rate titles that will be appearing for the PS3 in 2008 as compared to the 360. A year from now the "360 has more and better games" boast will be history, or at least a very debatable point, so there goes the first argument.

As to the online experience being better on the 360, there is no doubt about that. However, until we see what HOME is all about, this may or may not be a valid point a year from now, so at best the 360 will have two shaky legs upon which to stand on to claim superiority over the PS3.

As to the PS3's advantages, well, they are many as listed earlier. Blu ray, reliability, HD expandability, built in wifi, free online access, quietness, a great potential in computing power which is just now being tapped, not to mention the great exclusive (read: not coming out on PC - unlike a lot of "exclusive" titles for the 360) that have just appeared or will soon appear. All in all it is an excercise in denial for the 360 to not acknowledge the future overall superiority of the PS3. It's like comparing a japanese built car to an american car - Toyata vs Chevy. The chevy came out a year earlier and had more accessories and people were all excited about a new model so they bought it by the millions, but the darn thing keeps breaking down and it is showing it's age. Now, the Toyata appears and not only is it more reliable but the upkeep costs are lower and the accessories coming out for it are going to match Chevy's. Which one is the consumer going to buy?

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="5starsteve"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

Nagidar

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating that the amount of DRE PS2's was far more than the amount of RRoD 360's and the fact it took a law suit for SONY to do anything says alot, at least MS tried to do something, unlike SONY. is RRoD an issue? Yes. Was DRE an issue. Yes. Its just DRE's were far worse than RRoD.

You don't think there were lawsuits against X360 and the RROD?? :lol: Microsoft is so great for releasing their known defective console a year early so they could get some extra market share.. Maybe this will open your eyes a bit.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=x360+action+lawsuit&btnG=Search

Some want a full recall on X360, which in my opinion they should've done since Microsoft has admitted that **all** as in 100% of X360s have the defect and there is no fix. How is PS2 and it's laser alignment issue worse when only some units had it and infact you could even fix it yourself if you knew how. Just a matter of turning a gear a few clicks.

There is no lawsuit and likely will not be a lawsuit against MS for this because even though it took them a while, they openly admitted a problem and tried to do something about it, SONY would not admit to the DRE problem, it literally took a law suit for them to do ANYTHING.

What are you talking about? Openly admitted the problem?? They deleted forum topics concerning the RROD, they flat out lied about defects stating to the press defects "within industry norms." It wasn't until the internet lit up and they could deny it no longer that they finally came out with the warranty that only covers the RROD, not the multitude of other X360 issues that you are totally ignoring. Power brick failures, heat induced shutdowns, Disk scratching, loud consoles etc....

I'm not going to even going to try to read that.

But I read where you said that the future of 360 games is looking bleak. Remind me of some great PS3 games, and ONLY PS3 games, that are coming out soon that are worth spending $600 on. And some more.

Plus, white, the color of fear? I haven't seen anyone go into a bright room get all scared. I've seen that with dark room though. And, who the heck cares if it's white!?

The author of the original post in this thread has come up with one of the most lucid, point by point summaries of why, at the end of the day, the PS3 will match and overtake the Xbox 360. I think loyalty to a product an individual has invested in can definitely cloud one's objectivity, and this is a perfect example of that. When the facts are on the table and both systems are compared side by side, about the only things the Xbox community can come up with as a rebuttal are that there are more and better games for the 360 (true) and that the online experience is much better (also true).

Now, with regards to the former argument, one would have to be in complete denial to ignore the avalanche of first rate titles that will be appearing for the PS3 in 2008 as compared to the 360. A year from now the "360 has more and better games" boast will be history, or at least a very debatable point, so there goes the first argument. No titles are first rate untill they are actually released, played and judged, KZ2 for example, the first game was a piece of ****, does that mean the second will be crap? No. The MGS series is a high AA low AAA series, known to be great games, does that mean MGS4 will be great? No, for all we know it could flop. Both systems seem to have some very nice looking games coming out, will they all be good? I don't know, there is a possibility of any of them flopping.

As to the online experience being better on the 360, there is no doubt about that. However, until we see what HOME is all about, this may or may not be a valid point a year from now, so at best the 360 will have two shaky legs upon which to stand on to claim superiority over the PS3. The online experience is better on the 360,CURRENTLY, will it stay that way? I don't know, but I think the PS3 is going to move more toward P2P and away from servers because of the developers having to foot the bill to upkeep servers or certain PS3 games just won't have online because devs have to foot the bill.

As to the PS3's advantages, well, they are many as listed earlier. Blu ray, reliability, HD expandability, built in wifi, free online access, quietness, a great potential in computing power which is just now being tapped, not to mention the great exclusive (read: not coming out on PC - unlike a lot of "exclusive" titles for the 360) that have just appeared or will soon appear. All in all it is an excercise in denial for the 360 to not acknowledge the future overall superiority of the PS3. It's like comparing a japanese built car to an american car - Toyata vs Chevy. The chevy came out a year earlier and had more accessories and people were all excited about a new model so they bought it by the millions, but the darn thing keeps breaking down and it is showing it's age. Now, the Toyata appears and not only is it more reliable but the upkeep costs are lower and the accessories coming out for it are going to match Chevy's. Which one is the consumer going to buy? Do you know anything about computers and computer components? I'm guessing not, because if you did that statement would sound totally silly. In the end, I think both consoles will have outstanding library's, that no gamer should miss out on.

glcm1961

This topic makes me sad. Lab392

What are you talking about? Openly admitted the problem?? They deleted forum topics concerning the RROD, they flat out lied about defects stating to the press defects "within industry norms." It wasn't until the internet lit up and they could deny it no longer that they finally came out with the warranty that only covers the RROD, not the multitude of other X360 issues that you are totally ignoring. Power brick failures, heat induced shutdowns, Disk scratching, loud consoles etc....

EmperorSupreme

Let me ask you a question:

Did MS openly admit an issue with the 360? This is a yes or no question.

Power brick failures: These were caused by using the external fan adapter, the power bricks current is set to the exact amount of power the 360 needs to run, when you connect the external fan, the console doesn't get enough power and the brick is trying to supply power to BOTH the fan AND the console, which lead to more RRoD's and the power brick shorting.

Heat induced shutdowns: By this do you mean the RRoD or when the console overheats because people don't know how to keep the vents on the console away from things blocking them?

Disc scratching: I have personally never heard of anything major with this, I have seen threads where people were complaining about this, than as they tell their story of how it happened, they admit they MOVED the console while it was running.

Loud consoles: Original consoles had a loud FAN, that was NOT a "problem".

That was an insane amount of work to put into something like SW. I bet theres someone with a sympathetic ear for you to talk to in your real life someplace. Maybe a teacher or friend?

It may be time to consider putting some of that energy into yourself as opposed to SW.

Just an observation.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

What are you talking about? Openly admitted the problem?? They deleted forum topics concerning the RROD, they flat out lied about defects stating to the press defects "within industry norms." It wasn't until the internet lit up and they could deny it no longer that they finally came out with the warranty that only covers the RROD, not the multitude of other X360 issues that you are totally ignoring. Power brick failures, heat induced shutdowns, Disk scratching, loud consoles etc....

Nagidar

Let me ask you a question:

Did MS openly admit an issue with the 360? This is a yes or no question. No they lied and tried to cover it up, only the pressure of the gaming community forced them to address the issue.

Power brick failures: These were caused by using the external fan adapter, the power bricks current is set to the exact amount of power the 360 needs to run, when you connect the external fan, the console doesn't get enough power and the brick is trying to supply power to BOTH the fan AND the console, which lead to more RRoD's and the power brick shorting.

Heat induced shutdowns: By this do you mean the RRoD or when the console overheats because people don't know how to keep the vents on the console away from things blocking them? This isn't the 1800's people know to keep electronics and computing devices cool. Especially devices that they paid a lot of money for like a X360.

Disc scratching: I have personally never heard of anything major with this, I have seen threads where people were complaining about this, than as they tell their story of how it happened, they admit they MOVED the console while it was running. There is a ****action lawsuit on this, plenty of people in this very forum have had this happen.

Loud consoles: Original consoles had a loud FAN, that was NOT a "problem". Many would disagree that it's "not" a problem.

Answers above. Amazing you defend MS, even funnier is how you like to blame other X360 owners for the issues. They moved their console, they blocked the vents, etc...

[QUOTE="glcm1961"]

The author of the original post in this thread has come up with one of the most lucid, point by point summaries of why, at the end of the day, the PS3 will match and overtake the Xbox 360. I think loyalty to a product an individual has invested in can definitely cloud one's objectivity, and this is a perfect example of that. When the facts are on the table and both systems are compared side by side, about the only things the Xbox community can come up with as a rebuttal are that there are more and better games for the 360 (true) and that the online experience is much better (also true).

Now, with regards to the former argument, one would have to be in complete denial to ignore the avalanche of first rate titles that will be appearing for the PS3 in 2008 as compared to the 360. A year from now the "360 has more and better games" boast will be history, or at least a very debatable point, so there goes the first argument. No titles are first rate untill they are actually released, played and judged, KZ2 for example, the first game was a piece of ****, does that mean the second will be crap? No. The MGS series is a high AA low AAA series, known to be great games, does that mean MGS4 will be great? No, for all we know it could flop. Both systems seem to have some very nice looking games coming out, will they all be good? I don't know, there is a possibility of any of them flopping. Notice I said "titles". The presumption being that unless the companies that create Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, etc etc decide to throw out everything that worked in the past and also decided that the trailers released for these games were too graphically intense and decided to make them look crappier, these games will be first rate games. Time will tell, but you are welcome to put money on the bet that they will not be good and I will gladly accept that bet.

As to the online experience being better on the 360, there is no doubt about that. However, until we see what HOME is all about, this may or may not be a valid point a year from now, so at best the 360 will have two shaky legs upon which to stand on to claim superiority over the PS3. The online experience is better on the 360,CURRENTLY, will it stay that way? I don't know, but I think the PS3 is going to move more toward P2P and away from servers because of the developers having to foot the bill to upkeep servers or certain PS3 games just won't have online because devs have to foot the bill. My crystal ball is broken so I don't know either, but I do know that HOME is coming and if it is anything like it is reported to be, it will definitely make the PS3 on par with the 360 when it comes to the online experience.

As to the PS3's advantages, well, they are many as listed earlier. Blu ray, reliability, HD expandability, built in wifi, free online access, quietness, a great potential in computing power which is just now being tapped, not to mention the great exclusive (read: not coming out on PC - unlike a lot of "exclusive" titles for the 360) that have just appeared or will soon appear. All in all it is an excercise in denial for the 360 to not acknowledge the future overall superiority of the PS3. It's like comparing a japanese built car to an american car - Toyata vs Chevy. The chevy came out a year earlier and had more accessories and people were all excited about a new model so they bought it by the millions, but the darn thing keeps breaking down and it is showing it's age. Now, the Toyata appears and not only is it more reliable but the upkeep costs are lower and the accessories coming out for it are going to match Chevy's. Which one is the consumer going to buy? Do you know anything about computers and computer components? I'm guessing not, because if you did that statement would sound totally silly. In the end, I think both consoles will have outstanding library's, that no gamer should miss out on. Lol. Do you know anything about what devs like Bethesda, Insomniac, Square Enix, etc are saying with regards to the untapped potential of the PS3 due to its superior but more complex architecture? I'm guessing not because if you did your statement would sound totally silly.

Of course both consoles have outstanding libraries, no one is denying that, but that's not the point of this thread, is it? It's about the future and which system holds the key to ulitimate success. If you can provide evidence besides the two points I expounded upon earlier then I would be happy to hear them.

Nagidar

he's not looking at this from both sides. ps3 has its faults too._EXCON_

like all systems.. people just tend to focus that PS3 has No AAAEs though.. i find that rather lame on an argument.. I dunno we just have to wait for the end of this year to see how PS3 fares with the 08 line up

I soon as I read 'color', all hope was lost......

[QUOTE="_EXCON_"]he's not looking at this from both sides. ps3 has its faults too.u8muhrice

like all systems.. people just tend to focus that PS3 has No AAAEs though.. i find that rather lame on an argument.. I dunno we just have to wait for the end of this year to see how PS3 fares with the 08 line up