The Developers of Crysis must be so proud.

IMO crysis was needed drive the industry forward because devs were making games that would work on 2 year hardware. Crysis sold hardware and showed what that hardware could do. It showed the power of pc gaming vs consoles and drove the industry forward.

Pffft...KZ2/UC2/GOW3 says otherwise.killab2oo5

I see.... so in your opinion, Demons Souls was the BEST game released last year?

and MGSIV has better technical graphics than Crysis Warhead?

you must, since you believe everything a gaming website tells you.

moistsandwich

Cannot comment on Demon Souls because I never played it, MGS4 getting best technical graphics is something common sense should have you object to. Of course fanboys don't operate under common sense, or any other typical sense for that matter such as their eyes.

Crysis scored well across many different reviews; and having played it myself I object to people trying to equate it as being nothing special. If people are going to wave their opinion around like fact; why not challenge it with another opinion? When they have something objective to say about the game then perhaps I'll offer better counter arguments.

GS review aside, people would have you think the critique review and the user reviews are wrong as well. When I think of forgettable or generic I think of age old game design using scripted corridor shooters, Crysis doesn't fall in that category.

actually it did

ironman388

and saying that tells me you haven't read it...

Why would I need to shield myself in the first place? I played it, then I forgot about it.

I don't mind a little linearity in shooters, open world/free realming is overrated and at best only gives you the illusion of freedom. Not that I think COD is a good game or even a decent example.

Gxgear

In other words what was passed as a factual statement comes down to preference when it is questioned.

Quite frankly "forgettable" is a word I reserve for generic/run of the mill games, which is hardly what you could call Crysis.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Having an opinion is wrong? Thanks for the tip.

ironman388

Opinions are not shields from having to justify your claims. You not liking Crysis is a opinion, saying it's forgettable is a disputable claim.

Want to see generic FPS design? Try the mass production/disposable FPS series like Call of Duty. Crysis did many things that these corridor shooters didn't, labeling Crysis forgettable or run of the mill is a disservice to what it did.

Crysis didn't get GameSpot's best FPS of 2007 because it is "forgettable"; or graphics over game play as some like to claim.

No it isn't. As much as I like STALKER, it gets boring and repetitive over time. That doesn't happen with Crysis, IMO.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

I have... and they are right.... Crysis is pretty graphics & nice physics, everything else is a big "meh"

Gxgear

For me when I played Crysis, it was like "why would I want to enter a fight differently?". Why would I was to find a car and drive 5 minutes just so I can plow it into an enemy camp, or why would I want to spend even more time with the stealthy approach and sneak around? I'm not particularly patient or creative, so I either went with the cloak/kill/hide or just sniping from afar. If I remember correctly also wasn't fond of the traveling time between points.

That's your problem right there. The greatest thing about Crysis is that each player will have a different and unique experience, depending on their particular play st1le. That's more than you can say for most shooters.

Many other SP shooters Id rather play over Crysis. It hasnt been topped in graphics, but its not the "end all be all" of SP shooters (not to mention MP).

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Visualwise yes, otherwise no.

Gxgear

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

for the cod mw generation it was. for older gamers sick of overly scripted and ultra linear shooters it was a breath of fresh air

I think its more of an embarresment to either other devs or to PC gamers. Devs because they cant top a 2007 game which on a platform that boasts to be on the "cutting edge" shows there is something wrong there and to the PC gamers who think the PC is godly yet they have nothing to show that is Better in terms of visuals and their top graphics game sequal is not ported to the consoles which in the same was has nerfed the game.

or to the PC gamers who think the PC is godly yet they have nothing to show that is Better in terms of visuals

o0squishy0o

Nothing embarrassing about it when you are aware of how the industry has changed the past generation. It's a matter of funding, not PC capability.

I don't see console gamers being embarrassed by PC having more A-AAA games, despite billions being poured into consoles; and PC not receiving a penny of exclusivity incentives. Or most of the games they use to argue the worth of their platform not coming from the platforms own merit, instead coming from 1st party development and purchases.

That's just the nature of this generation.

I think its more of an embarresment to either other devs or to PC gamers. Devs because they cant top a 2007 game which on a platform that boasts to be on the "cutting edge" shows there is something wrong there and to the PC gamers who think the PC is godly yet they have nothing to show that is Better in terms of visuals and their top graphics game sequal is not ported to the consoles which in the same was has nerfed the game.

o0squishy0o

Considering the way the economy is, very few companies are able to spend millions creating or customizing new or existing engines, and then pumping out the best possible graphics.

It sucks, but that's the way it's been for a few years now... Honestly, do people forget we are currently living in a recession, and very few countries are starting to climb out now.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

AnnoyedDragon

SW :roll:

Every review on the Internet is wrong to you people...

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

Birdy09

SW :roll:

Every review on the Internet is wrong to you people...

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Visualwise yes, otherwise no.

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

for the cod mw generation it was. for older gamers sick of overly scripted and ultra linear shooters it was a breath of fresh air

Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....Birdy09

Over seventeen thousand "user" reviews on GS gave Crysis a average score of 8.9...

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

SW :roll:

Every review on the Internet is wrong to you people...

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....h575309

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

Didn't state that it wasn't. If it's forgettable, it's forgettable for every aspect, lest we use a less blanketing word.

However, a lot of people on these boards have repeatedly stated how the gameplay is in fact not that average, such is the popular bandwagon these days.

Plus, AD just posted the user ratings for the game, showing it as being quite popular.

Oh come on, its brought up for graphics and thats it. Its rare that Crysis is discussed in any other fashion.h575309

And most of the time it is brought up; it is people who have never played it just interested in declaring their console games look better.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

Birdy09

SW :roll:

Every review on the Internet is wrong to you people...

i agree its on my shelf coverd with dust . If i could trade in pc games it would have been gone a long time ago. The story was so awful i had very little reason to see what happens next . i pretty much forced my self to beat the game . The engine its self looks great but is so damn buggy . my menu did not even work right. I had koreans get stuck in wall walk over a cliff and so on . i even see metal sheets floping off the ground like fish out of water . my game crashed like 5 times during the air craft carrier level .

[QUOTE="h575309"]Oh come on, its brought up for graphics and thats it. Its rare that Crysis is discussed in any other fashion.AnnoyedDragon

And most of the time it is brought up; it is people who have never played it just interested in declaring their console games look better.

Well I wouldnt debate you on that issue. Its actually pretty sad how little gameplay is debated on these boards (in comparison to visuals)h575309

I've tried discussing game play in the past, even posted a video talking about the game play.

When it boils down to it the issue is often preference, people prefer scripted games because they can hand lead you through a action packed movie like experience. Games like Crysis require the player to think creatively and apply their abilities in the game creatively, some aren't prepared to do that and want the fun pointed out for them.

To me gaming is interactive entertainment, so a game that enhances my ability to interact with it for entertainment is progress. But clearly this doesn't fit everyone, the same old scripted corridor shooter is fine for them because that's what they like.

If people want to say they didn't like Crysis because it doesn't cater to their kind of entertainment, fine, that's their preference. But it gets on my nerves when people specifically say Crysis 'IS' a generic, run of the mill, forgettable game as if they are making a matter of fact statement that applies to everyone.

[QUOTE="h575309"]Well I wouldnt debate you on that issue. Its actually pretty sad how little gameplay is debated on these boards (in comparison to visuals)AnnoyedDragon

I've tried discussing game play in the past, even posted a video talking about the game play.

When it boils down to it the issue is often preference, people prefer scripted games because they can hand lead you through a action packed movie like experience. Games like Crysis require the player to think creatively and apply their abilities in the game creatively, some aren't prepared to do that and want the fun pointed out for them.

To me gaming is interactive entertainment, so a game that enhances my ability to interact with it for entertainment is progress. But clearly this doesn't fit everyone, the same old scripted corridor shooter is fine for them because that's what they like.

If people want to say they didn't like Crysis because it doesn't cater to their kind of entertainment, fine, that's their preference. But it gets on my nerves when people specifically say Crysis 'IS' a generic, run of the mill, forgettable game as if they are making a matter of fact statement that applies to everyone.

I pretty much never needed to use my abilities in the game . almost always using one power . It's not a bad game . But it really is not that amazing . Pc gamers need to stop treating it like a religion .

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Pffft...KZ2/UC2/GOW3 says otherwise.HavocV3

yes, linear, namely non open-world, barely-2weeks-to-10month-old games DO say otherwise:roll:

Pc gamers need to stop treating it like a religion .

dontshackzmii

I say it time and time again...

Stop blaming PC gamers for console gamers obsession with beating PC.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

SW :roll:

Every review on the Internet is wrong to you people...

lundy86_4

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

or to the PC gamers who think the PC is godly yet they have nothing to show that is Better in terms of visuals

AnnoyedDragon

Nothing embarrassing about it when you are aware of how the industry has changed the past generation. It's a matter of funding, not PC capability.

I don't see console gamers being embarrassed by PC having more A-AAA games, despite billions being poured into consoles; and PC not receiving a penny of exclusivity incentives. Or most of the games they use to argue the worth of their platform not coming from the platforms own merit, instead coming from 1st party development and purchases.

That's just the nature of this generation.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....AnnoyedDragon

Over seventeen thousand "user" reviews on GS gave Crysis a average score of 8.9...

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....Hahadouken

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

Well, when using a blanketing term such as forgettable, you need to specify what exactly is forgettable. I've seen many people talk about Crysis' gameplay, though granted, not anywhere near as much as the graphics.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

Pc gamers need to stop treating it like a religion .

AnnoyedDragon

I say it time and time again...

Stop blaming PC gamers for console gamers obsession with beating PC.

it goes both ways sadly

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="h575309"]Well I wouldnt debate you on that issue. Its actually pretty sad how little gameplay is debated on these boards (in comparison to visuals)dontshackzmii

I've tried discussing game play in the past, even posted a video talking about the game play.

When it boils down to it the issue is often preference, people prefer scripted games because they can hand lead you through a action packed movie like experience. Games like Crysis require the player to think creatively and apply their abilities in the game creatively, some aren't prepared to do that and want the fun pointed out for them.

To me gaming is interactive entertainment, so a game that enhances my ability to interact with it for entertainment is progress. But clearly this doesn't fit everyone, the same old scripted corridor shooter is fine for them because that's what they like.

If people want to say they didn't like Crysis because it doesn't cater to their kind of entertainment, fine, that's their preference. But it gets on my nerves when people specifically say Crysis 'IS' a generic, run of the mill, forgettable game as if they are making a matter of fact statement that applies to everyone.

I pretty much never needed to use my abilities in the game . almost always using one power . It's not a bad game . But it really is not that amazing . Pc gamers need to stop treating it like a religion .

Try playing the game on a setting other than easy.

In fact, prove that you can beat delta setting using only armor mode, and you'll win all the debates ever stated about Crysis automatically.

1st party studios are part of a consoles merit... obviously...locopatho

And like every other statistic its not the whole picture... 17000 of how many million? Oh and, I can play the "Its only discussed for its graphics". which it is, nobody says how awesome the charcters.story/missions are... because they are very VERY forgettable.... and then theres the crap multiplayer.Birdy09

it goes both ways sadly

dontshackzmii

Anyone who has frequented SW knows that Crysis discussion disproportionately comes from the console end. Don't spin the simple fact that PC gamers talk about Crysis as being the same as the constant bombardment of Crysis topics we get from consolites, people out to prove X console game is more technically advanced than a game built for post console hardware.

[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

h575309

for the cod mw generation it was. for older gamers sick of overly scripted and ultra linear shooters it was a breath of fresh air

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Macutchi"]

for the cod mw generation it was. for older gamers sick of overly scripted and ultra linear shooters it was a breath of fresh air

By "platforms own merit" I was referring to developers choosing to develop exclusively for a platform based on its appeal. Whether they like its features, tools, costs, the audience on there etc.

AnnoyedDragon

O right, but does it really matter where or why the games come, if they're good?

O right, but does it really matter where or why the games come, if they're good?

locopatho

Depends on the context of the comparison.

If someone declares developers prefer to make games for consoles and not PC, and they use 1st party games as evidence of developers preferring consoles, then you have a problem. If however they say they prefer consoles because they like XYZ games and they are only available on consoles; then that's fine.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] Your giving it too much credit. At its core it was still linear. It wasnt on rails of course.h575309

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] Your giving it too much credit. At its core it was still linear. It wasnt on rails of course.h575309

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Visualwise yes, otherwise no.

Gxgear

Pretty much this, Crysis was a play-and-forget shooter.

there are shooters who arent play-and-forget? :o

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

O right, but does it really matter where or why the games come, if they're good?

AnnoyedDragon

Depends on the context of the comparison.

If someone declares developers prefer to make games for consoles and not PC, and they use 1st party games as evidence of developers preferring consoles, then you have a problem. If however they say they prefer consoles because they like XYZ games and they are only available on consoles; then that's fine.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Nobody is giving it too much credit. They're just stating what Crysis does, and what it does makes it special. You're not giving it enough credit by saying "at it's core it was still linear". That's just straight up ignoring all the freedoms it allows to player. The gameplay was not linear at all. Sure the levels lead you in one direction, but the gameplay didn't. That's what makes it stand out from other shooters.

AAllxxjjnn

Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....Birdy09

Forgettable to whom?

For a forgettable shooter, it sure is brought up a lot on both sides of the fence.

Crytek proud of their accomplishments? make a game that only 10% of PC owners can actually play. top if off with some unbelievably stupid AI? i would be so proud.

It has been years since Crysis' release and not a single game has been able to top it.

mariokart97

[QUOTE="mariokart97"]

It has been years since Crysis' release and not a single game has been able to top it.

Mystic-G

Crytek proud of their accomplishments? make a game that only 10% of PC owners can actually play. top if off with some unbelievably stupid AI? i would be so proud.

erglesmergle

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Why does reviews matter? it is very forgettable....Birdy09

Over seventeen thousand "user" reviews on GS gave Crysis a average score of 8.9...