The difference between PS4's Gaikai Streaming Service and Xbox "Cloud"

The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running (XBL required).  

The only thing M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

casharmy

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

i love how cows are so scared of cloud computing. they are so desperate :twisted:.

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

GOGOGOGURT

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

Saying that Microsoft doesnt care about gaming isnt an assumption, its an observation. I always supported Microsoft being in this industry because of the great competition they provided to Sony, and they did make some good innovations, but the Xbone might cause more harm than good.

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

crimsonman1245

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

Saying that Microsoft doesnt care about gaming isnt an assumption, its an observation. I always supported Microsoft being in this industry because of the great competition they provided to Sony, and they did make some good innovations, but the Xbone might cause more harm than good.

An observation still requires a point of view.

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

GOGOGOGURT

Saying that Microsoft doesnt care about gaming isnt an assumption, its an observation. I always supported Microsoft being in this industry because of the great competition they provided to Sony, and they did make some good innovations, but the Xbone might cause more harm than good.

An observation still requires a point of view.

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

GOGOGOGURT

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

The whole cloud thing also isn't without a logical foundation...I will ask you two questions, if you believe I am so wrong.  

1. Why did MS say they want kinect to always be connected and always on?  

2. Way was/is that so important to them and what significance does that serve for them?

The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running (XBL required).  

The only thing M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

casharmy

Yeah you're entitled to your point of view ... but people are entitled to correct your wrongs as well :P

1. Microsoft doesn't need to have better graphics, so I agree with you on that matter. They've been developing this cloud tech for over 3 years now, so its certainly not a reaction to the PS4s better hardware.

2. "MS doesn't want to invest in games" Uhh they're currently investing $1 billion in exclusive gamer-centric content (their words, not mine). So thats exclusives, timed exclusives and exclusive DLC. They certainly are investing in it.

The Xbox One's "cloud" is just a buzzword they are using as a marketing tool to bridge the gap between the X1 and PS4's hardware. They didn't show anything in real-time on the X1 so we don't know what the games will look like but if those pre-renders are any indication, the jump won't be all that huge. Their OS is sucking too many precious resources away.

As I explained earlier you cannot mix cloud rendering with local rendering for anything more than pre-baked renders (shadowmaps, ambient occlusion). It's just a buzzword a lot of people are falling for. 

Gaikai doesn't make games look better, it's just a streaming service like OnLive. The potential for unlimited backwards compatibility is there though which makes that a cool service. Latency is an issue though. OnLive was good but it could be a lot better. Integrating Gaikai with a unified network could be excellent. Tons of potential applicaitons (streaming, uploading, competitive broadcasting).

The fact is this gen the PS4 isn't just more powerful, it's focused on games. Microsoft is going for a different market and putting the emphasis on being a media machine. I would compare this to the PS3 but really Microsoft has a lot better ties with the entertainment industry and WAY better software. The X1 will succeed there where the PS3 failed. 

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

casharmy

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

The whole cloud thing also isn't without a logical foundation...I will ask you two question if you believe I am so wrong.  

1. Why did MS say they want kinect to always be connected and always on?  

2. Way was/is that so important to them and what significance does that serve for them?

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

casharmy

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

The whole cloud thing also isn't without a logical foundation...I will ask you two questions, if you believe I am so wrong.  

1. Why did MS say they want kinect to always be connected and always on?  

2. Way was/is that so important to them and what significance does that serve for them?

It has to be connected to the system. It doesn't have to be on. Microsoft have stated there are privacy settings in connection to Kinect. They'll reveal more in due time ;)

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but your post shows you dont understand how EITHER service works. To say that devs would build half a game is insane. If devs build a game with a persistant world......and MMO-esque (like MAG), then online would be a given. Should we bash MAG for being online only? Of course not because thats how the game was designed. So, if a developer wanted to develop an open world like Watch Dogs and it have a persistant, changing world, then gamers would know they needed a connection. Then you could build your game in the cloud. Lets be open minded here. Gaikai is a streaming service, and is what it was built to do. Theoretically, you could have any game in the world run on PS4 because it would be running on a server somewhere and streamed to your PS4. It wouldnt be running on PS4 at all. MS cloud tech is capable of the same thing. Please educate yourself before stealth-bashing anything.navyguy21

I think the point the OP is making is that the cloud is not really going to "enhance" XBOX games in the graphics department, at least not in the sense they think it will (or more accurately hope and dream). Lems think that the graphics and AI will be improved by the cloud in real time. That just aint happening. 

It will have more to do with persistent worlds and MMO's. Possibly some other features, maybe an exclusive game or two will make a great innovative use out of this infrasturcture. But if they think multiplat games are going to be "enhanced" by the XBOX Live "cloud", and that's going to make up for weaker hardware, they better be ready for some inferior multiplats next gen. If that's the expectation, this will turn out FAR WORSE than the cell IMO because literally NOBODY is going to take on this method of programming graphics. :lol: It's going to be all about the hardware, and the quality of the studios work, just like it always is.  

I just find it funny how lems are latching onto this buzzword in the same way that PS3 owners hyped up the cell in the early days of the PS3. Cloud is far worse though because it's more of an "industry buzzword" that *EVERYBODY* and their grandma is selling right now... i.e. total bullshit. The cell was at least actually a powerful piece of silicon, just a chip unfortunately gimped by the GPU and split RAM. The cloud is nothing but a myth. A myth in the sense that the very nature of cloud computing meaning it can on ANY platform, from anywhere. Sony already has cloud infrastructure as well... and for all we know Gaikai is better than XBOX cloud, so Sony might as well come out at E3 that the PS4 has  Infiniti + 1 Terraflops because of the cloud.... laughable really. 

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You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

rhodes1

The whole cloud thing also isn't without a logical foundation...I will ask you two question if you believe I am so wrong.  

1. Why did MS say they want kinect to always be connected and always on?  

2. Way was/is that so important to them and what significance does that serve for them?

Cloud is going to be used...to upload and store your information...for the purpose of selling the infomation with no loss investment on their part to advertisers.  THAT is what the investment to cloud was for them...lol @ lems actually thinking it was for their benefit.  

The bold are the two key elements that answer my questions.  Good job.

Cloud is going to be used...to upload and store your information...for the purpose of selling the infomation with no loss investment on their part to advertisers.  THAT is what the investment to cloud was for them...lol @ lems actually thinking it was for their benefit.  

casharmy

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running (XBL required).  

The only thing M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

RR360DD

Yeah you're entitled to your point of view ... but people are entitled to correct your wrongs as well :P

1. Microsoft doesn't need to have better graphics, so I agree with you on that matter. They've been developing this cloud tech for over 3 years now, so its certainly not a reaction to the PS4s better hardware.

2. "MS doesn't want to invest in games" Uhh they're currently investing $1 billion in exclusive gamer-centric content (their words, not mine). So thats exclusives, timed exclusives and exclusive DLC. They certainly are investing in it.

I want to see this Billion $ in games at E3.

Frankly, I don't believe their talk. They probably haven't spent $1 Billion in games this entire past generation. 

I will give them credit if they actually can back up their talk and the $ Billion is actual games. Not just part of the NFL deal, Halo TV, timed DLC nonsense, etc. It would also be irritating as a gamer if part of their Billion $ investment is "buying" franchises, rather than investing into more studios. That type of strategy would mean less games, not more games. So even if they open up the checkbook, there's a risk it really doesnt' benefit anyone in the gaming community at all. If the cloud actually turns out to be more than "buzzword" bullshit I would be pleasantly surprised as well - this is the thing I *REALLY* don't believe just because the cloud has become as overused as the term "Internet Superhighway" was in the 1990's. It's bullshit. Based on their latest 4 or 5 years trackrecord, I just don't believe anything MS hypes will mean anything substantial for gamers. MS has become nothing but a bunch of marketing spinmasters at this point. The only hope is that it is a new gen, a clean slate - so maybe they will come out guns blazing. I do believe at least for the first year or two that that they will have some cool stuff, but unlike last gen they will also have competition right out of the gate. 

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The bold are the two key elements that answer my questions.  Good job.

Cloud is going to be used...to upload and store your information...for the purpose of selling the infomation with no loss investment on their part to advertisers.  THAT is what the investment to cloud was for them...lol @ lems actually thinking it was for their benefit.  

Wasdie

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

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The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running.  

The only think M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

casharmy

You are spewing assumptions.  And all your posts sound like you're having a conniption.

The whole cloud thing also isn't without a logical foundation...I will ask you two questions, if you believe I am so wrong.  

1. Why did MS say they want kinect to always be connected and always on?  

2. Way was/is that so important to them and what significance does that serve for them?

1.  It does NOT have to be ON.  It just has to be CONNECTED.  And it comes with it, because it makes the experience better.  I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing, crackpot conspiracy theorist, so I can ASSURE you that MS has no interst to spy on you, and it would serve them no good.  If you want to believe that or not is up to you.  But I find it highly unlikely that MS would risk business like that.  There is no reason.  AGAIN, POSSIBLE, BUT HIGHLY HIGHLY UNLIKELY.  You can always put ducttape over the camera.

2.  Happier customers.  I know I will be.

I can tell this cloud business (in respects to consoles) is going to get very annoying very fast.

Now cows and lems both have their version of "teh cell"...

If this is what SW becomes, I'm out.

I can tell this cloud business (in respects to consoles) is going to get very annoying very fast.

Now cows and lems both have their version of "teh cell"...

If this is what SW becomes, I'm out.

ConanTheStoner

you stayed despite the tou change but will leave because of this? :o

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I can tell this cloud business (in respects to consoles) is going to get very annoying very fast.

Now cows and lems both have their version of "teh cell"...

If this is what SW becomes, I'm out.

CaseyWegner

you stayed despite the tou change but will leave because of this? :o

tou change was great imo lol.

And no I wouldn't really leave because of this, but damn... misconceptions about cloud services will be very annoying.

xbox cloud will be a good thing for Lemmings, I like where I can play 64 players online and have sick graphics, not some MAG bullshit

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

The problem with your post TC is that you have to actually believe M$ actually cares about making xbone have better graphics than PS4.  

Ask yourself, do you really think M$ cares about people's gaming experinces...when they come out saying they want to compete with google and apple for TV market space?  Look at how they left the 360.  MS doesn't want to invest in games at all because it's a risk every time and they don't want to waste any money on anything that they don't think will give them an instant and guarenteed turn around.

That's why they wanted to make xbone always online to ensure that even if they don't produce any games they will still get money out of you to keep the system running (XBL required).  

The only thing M$ REALLY wants to do with cloud is to use kinect to collect customers information to store it in their servers to send people ads.  PERIOD.  The mention of xbox 1 using cloud to increace gaming performance was never a serious idea from MS, they know what you said in your OP probably better than anyone else...they are a software compnay after all. 

2Chalupas

Yeah you're entitled to your point of view ... but people are entitled to correct your wrongs as well :P

1. Microsoft doesn't need to have better graphics, so I agree with you on that matter. They've been developing this cloud tech for over 3 years now, so its certainly not a reaction to the PS4s better hardware.

2. "MS doesn't want to invest in games" Uhh they're currently investing $1 billion in exclusive gamer-centric content (their words, not mine). So thats exclusives, timed exclusives and exclusive DLC. They certainly are investing in it.

I want to see this Billion $ in games at E3.

Frankly, I don't believe their talk. They probably haven't spent $1 Billion in games this entire past generation. 

I will give them credit if they actually can back up their talk and the $ Billion is actual games. Not just part of the NFL deal, Halo TV, timed DLC nonsense, etc. It would also be irritating as a gamer if part of their Billion $ investment is "buying" franchises, rather than investing into more studios. That type of strategy would mean less games, not more games. So even if they open up the checkbook, there's a risk it really doesnt' benefit anyone in the gaming community at all. If the cloud actually turns out to be more than "buzzword" bullshit I would be pleasantly surprised as well - this is the thing I *REALLY* don't believe just because the cloud has become as overused as the term "Internet Superhighway" was in the 1990's. It's bullshit. Based on their latest 4 or 5 years trackrecord, I just don't believe anything MS hypes will mean anything substantial for gamers. MS has become nothing but a bunch of marketing spinmasters at this point. The only hope is that it is a new gen, a clean slate - so maybe they will come out guns blazing. I do believe at least for the first year or two that that they will have some cool stuff, but unlike last gen they will also have competition right out of the gate. 

And competition is good. It will hopefully keep MS and Sony on their A game.

I don't think MS are going to blow their load all at once. I know they have 15 titles in developent for the first year, but who knows if they'll announce them all at E3. Theres still Gamescom and TGS (MS have a studio in Japan) so who knows

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

The bold are the two key elements that answer my questions.  Good job.

Cloud is going to be used...to upload and store your information...for the purpose of selling the infomation with no loss investment on their part to advertisers.  THAT is what the investment to cloud was for them...lol @ lems actually thinking it was for their benefit.  

casharmy

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

Gaikai = Real

Xbox's Cloud = Imaginary

Obviously_Right

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

RR360DD

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

Azura aint not joke, Cows are stupid, they think that PS3 won this gen still to this day, X1 is going to be a success, no doubt in my mind, I think you might see good cloud support in a game in say 2016, maybe having 128 multiplayer on expansive beautiful maps. NOT SOME MAG BULLSHIT SOny will have you try.

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Gaikai it's being used to sell you backwards compatibility for old games, no more no less. Xbox cloud is 300,000 servers built specifically for enhancing Xbox One games which basically has infinite power. The difference between this gen and last gen is going to be the cloud, and Sony is not going to be a part of it.

slipknot0129

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Gaikai = Real

Xbox's Cloud = Imaginary

Douevenlift_bro

Kaz avatars are weak and wierd, so glad I love X1

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Gaikai it's being used to sell you backwards compatibility for old games, no more no less. Xbox cloud is 300,000 servers built specifically for enhancing Xbox One games which basically has infinite power. The difference between this gen and last gen is going to be the cloud, and Sony is not going to be a part of it.

Douevenlift_bro

for getting hacked buddy, it isnt even close, MS writes the code kid.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] this stupid shit needs to stop. Its literally becoming the Cell 2.0.

NEWMAHAY

Infinite power > DDR5 Deal with it.Miketheman83

Lems go for imaginary over real.. no big surprise there. Same way they hoped for secret sauce, GDDR5, Games.. etc. Its just dissapointment after dissapointment.

 

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

RR360DD

You just said every matchmaking service in the world. Absolutly nothing is unique about that.

Dedicated servers even have a master server which the game client connects to so they can see the dedicated servers. This master server can do all of that stats tracking and whatnot when talking to the server. That's how Battlelog for BF3 operates, that's how CoD operates, that's how every MMO and nearly every FPS operates. The ones that are client side don't work well as it's too easy to maniuplate them.

you want the true difference?

MS don't have gaikai or even a service like it

Everyone has the "CLOUD"... Shoot my t.v could even use the "cloud"

[QUOTE="rhodes1"]No, if i had a choice between PS4's RAW superior Tech Specs with a 50% increase in terraflops and DDR5 Ram compared to a "THEORITICAL" increase of 50% terraflops on some imaginary "cloud" service THAT NO DEVELOPER MAKING NEXT-GEN GAMES WILL EVER RISK DOING than I would take the PS4's raw power. This whole CLoud bullshit was a last second play by Microsoft after they found out that PS4 has superior Raw power.slipknot0129

Lets see who lasts longer. Ever improving graphics in the cloud or hardware that is always the same. 

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

Wasdie

You just said every matchmaking service in the world. Absolutly nothing is unique about that.

Dedicated servers even have a master server which the game client connects to so they can see the dedicated servers. This master server can do all of that stats tracking and whatnot when talking to the server. That's how Battlelog for BF3 operates, that's how CoD operates, that's how every MMO and nearly every FPS operates. The ones that are client side don't work well as it's too easy to maniuplate them.

yeah but few do it with the precision of Azura, Im excited about the cloud, Im sure it will deliver new things to the table.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

 

RR360DD

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

Well let me do a quick search and see what I can find....

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

 

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

Wasdie

You just said every matchmaking service in the world. Absolutly nothing is unique about that.

Dedicated servers even have a master server which the game client connects to so they can see the dedicated servers. This master server can do all of that stats tracking and whatnot when talking to the server. That's how Battlelog for BF3 operates, that's how CoD operates, that's how every MMO and nearly every FPS operates. The ones that are client side don't work well as it's too easy to maniuplate them.

From one programmer to another, can you explain to people why it's not actually feasibly possible to use the cloud to do any kind of significant real-time processing?

They'll take you more seriously than they would me.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Actually the Cloud and Sony's network are built for player convenience. Cloud game saves, sharing pictures, videos, more connected social networking with friends, much more seamless transition of data between mobile devices and hardware.

 

RR360DD

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

Microsofts new Kinect patent will spy on you for the MPAA

"Microsoft have now filed a Kinect related patent that will have a camera-based system monitoring the room for the number of warm bodies, if this number if over a certain threshold then the device owner will be prompted to buy a licence to cover a greater number of viewers.

It doesnt get any simpler than that either, the abstract states that The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

The patents various claims means that Microsoft can give the device a limited number of performances in a given period of time, a limited number of users allowed to view such performances, and the continuous monitoring of viewers during those performances. it then goes on to covering the determination for when performance of the content to an identified user exceeds a threshold.

The patent suggests that copyright holders are allowed to govern what is shown in private dwellings such as your home, describing how it could be applied to head-mounted devices, large screens, gaming and media products, computers and even mobile phones if they so desired."

http://pixelenemy.com/microsofts-new-kinect-patent-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa/

Damn that was quick, and GOGOGOGURT you are owned as well.

Seems I am never really far off the mark. TLHBO

See lems, THIS is what your cloud is goig to be used for.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

 

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

Wasdie

You just said every matchmaking service in the world. Absolutly nothing is unique about that.

Dedicated servers even have a master server which the game client connects to so they can see the dedicated servers. This master server can do all of that stats tracking and whatnot when talking to the server. That's how Battlelog for BF3 operates, that's how CoD operates, that's how every MMO and nearly every FPS operates. The ones that are client side don't work well as it's too easy to maniuplate them.

I don't remember saying this was new or unique. I was just squashing the notion that MS set up the cloud to spy on everyone

:lol:

Seriously, some people ...

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]Yes...but that's Sony's network.  I was taking specifically about how MS plans to use the cloud.  

For all that MS have invested in the cloud tech, the only thing real and tangable that anyone can see from what they are doing is that they will be using kinect to collect and store people's information.

casharmy

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

Microsofts new Kinect patent will spy on you for the MPAA

"Microsoft have now filed a Kinect related patent that will have a camera-based system monitoring the room for the number of warm bodies, if this number if over a certain threshold then the device owner will be prompted to buy a licence to cover a greater number of viewers.

It doesnt get any simpler than that either, the abstract states that The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

The patents various claims means that Microsoft can give the device a limited number of performances in a given period of time, a limited number of users allowed to view such performances, and the continuous monitoring of viewers during those performances. it then goes on to covering the determination for when performance of the content to an identified user exceeds a threshold.

The patent suggests that copyright holders are allowed to govern what is shown in private dwellings such as your home, describing how it could be applied to head-mounted devices, large screens, gaming and media products, computers and even mobile phones if they so desired."

http://pixelenemy.com/microsofts-new-kinect-patent-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa/

Damn that was quick, and GOGOGOGURT you are owned as well.

Seems I am never really far off the mark. TLHBO

See lems, THIS is what your cloud is goig to be used for.

Oh, I've never seen that article before :roll: :lol:

First off, its a patent. Nothing more. You really don't want me digging up Sony patents ;)

Secondly, I read an article ages ago when this news was fresh that stated if it ever came to light (after all, its just a patent) it would be for home theatrical releases. ie. Movies releasing in the home at the same time they release in cinema, and when you watch them at home you effectively purchase tickets just like you would at the cinema. The patent ensures you've paid for the correct number of people.

Thirdly, this has nothing to do with Azure so ....

Fourthly, did I mention it was just a patent?

:P

Onlive failed guys.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Actually thats total bullshit

:lol:

They're already using Azura in Halo 4 in terms of analysing data and getting insight into player preferences. Basically it runs the games back-end supporting services, and runs the games key multiplayer components.

What they said at E3 was that this will be available to all devs on the XOne, day 1.

So I don't know where you got this info about them storing peoples info :P

RR360DD

Microsofts new Kinect patent will spy on you for the MPAA

"Microsoft have now filed a Kinect related patent that will have a camera-based system monitoring the room for the number of warm bodies, if this number if over a certain threshold then the device owner will be prompted to buy a licence to cover a greater number of viewers.

It doesnt get any simpler than that either, the abstract states that The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

The patents various claims means that Microsoft can give the device a limited number of performances in a given period of time, a limited number of users allowed to view such performances, and the continuous monitoring of viewers during those performances. it then goes on to covering the determination for when performance of the content to an identified user exceeds a threshold.

The patent suggests that copyright holders are allowed to govern what is shown in private dwellings such as your home, describing how it could be applied to head-mounted devices, large screens, gaming and media products, computers and even mobile phones if they so desired."

http://pixelenemy.com/microsofts-new-kinect-patent-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa/

Damn that was quick, and GOGOGOGURT you are owned as well.

Seems I am never really far off the mark. TLHBO

See lems, THIS is what your cloud is goig to be used for.

Oh, I've never seen that article before :roll: :lol:

First off, its a patent. Nothing more. You really don't want me digging up Sony patents ;)

Secondly, I read an article ages ago when this news was fresh that stated if it ever came to light (after all, its just a patent) it would be for home theatrical releases. ie. Movies releasing in the home at the same time they release in cinema, and when you watch them at home you effectively purchase tickets just like you would at the cinema. The patent ensures you've paid for the correct number of people.

Thirdly, this has nothing to do with Azure so ....

Fourthly, did I mention it was just a patent?

:P

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Onlive failed guys.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Microsofts new Kinect patent will spy on you for the MPAA

"Microsoft have now filed a Kinect related patent that will have a camera-based system monitoring the room for the number of warm bodies, if this number if over a certain threshold then the device owner will be prompted to buy a licence to cover a greater number of viewers.

It doesnt get any simpler than that either, the abstract states that The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

The patents various claims means that Microsoft can give the device a limited number of performances in a given period of time, a limited number of users allowed to view such performances, and the continuous monitoring of viewers during those performances. it then goes on to covering the determination for when performance of the content to an identified user exceeds a threshold.

The patent suggests that copyright holders are allowed to govern what is shown in private dwellings such as your home, describing how it could be applied to head-mounted devices, large screens, gaming and media products, computers and even mobile phones if they so desired."

http://pixelenemy.com/microsofts-new-kinect-patent-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa/

Damn that was quick, and GOGOGOGURT you are owned as well.

Seems I am never really far off the mark. TLHBO

See lems, THIS is what your cloud is goig to be used for.

Mr720fan

Oh, I've never seen that article before :roll: :lol:

First off, its a patent. Nothing more. You really don't want me digging up Sony patents ;)

Secondly, I read an article ages ago when this news was fresh that stated if it ever came to light (after all, its just a patent) it would be for home theatrical releases. ie. Movies releasing in the home at the same time they release in cinema, and when you watch them at home you effectively purchase tickets just like you would at the cinema. The patent ensures you've paid for the correct number of people.

Thirdly, this has nothing to do with Azure so ....

Fourthly, did I mention it was just a patent?

:P

This is how MS plans to use the new kinect technlogy to save people information thru the cloud and sell to advertisers and marketers which is exactly what I said.  Kinect is required to be on for anything you  want to use the system for so that patent will go to work right away storing everyones data in the cloud.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Onlive failed guys.

Mr720fan

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] MMO server/client model is successful.rhodes1

MMO doesn't require high-end PC systems i.e. I can run Star Trek Online or WOW from my laptop.

[QUOTE="rhodes1"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"] Knockout punchronvalencia

MMO doesn't require high-end PC systems i.e. I can run Star Trek Online or WOW from my laptop.

[QUOTE="rhodes1"]No, if i had a choice between PS4's RAW superior Tech Specs with a 50% increase in terraflops and DDR5 Ram compared to a "THEORITICAL" increase of 50% terraflops on some imaginary "cloud" service THAT NO DEVELOPER MAKING NEXT-GEN GAMES WILL EVER RISK DOING than I would take the PS4's raw power. This whole CLoud bullshit was a last second play by Microsoft after they found out that PS4 has superior Raw power.slipknot0129

Lets see who lasts longer. Ever improving graphics in the cloud or hardware that is always the same.