The Division (downgrade)

Exactly. We are posting in System Wars. So, I do not see how I am acting like a child. I am posting with the System Wars spirit. Console peasants need to know the limits of their hardware and have realistic expectations. Publishers also need to stop lying and taking advantage of the gullible.

@Pedro: "E3 loves to have games portrayed as gameplay when in reality its just a guy standing in front of a large screen pretending to play the game while looking at the pre-rendered movie."

lol

You post this a lot, this game does not need your two Titans for it run at 60fps completely maxed out. There are some frame drops to around 55fps but it hits over 70fps far more often than it drops below 60fps.

The game looks good and surprisingly for an Ubisoft title, it runs really well.

Can I switch that shitty Depth of field back off now?

@BassMan: Facts and concrete reasoning is much more effective than childish antics.

Even on SW.

Like I said, there aren't even any console gamers bitching about the downgrade.

@GarGx1: Resolution?

Same as Watchdogs. Run a special one off build on a uber PC, claim PS4 can do the same. Watchdogs 2.0 this.

@GoldenElementXL: Open the pics in a new tab and zoom in

@mr_huggles_dog:Take it easy :D.

@GarGx1: Wow! What are your specs?

@mjorh: why do you say I need to take it easy?

@GarGx1: I'm putting the kid to bed. I will be able to engage in conversation better a little later on. What are your specs? We may have found the fairytale hardware I spoke of.

@mjorh: i7 4770k @ 4.3ghz, Zotac AMP Extreme 980Ti (GPU clock 1333Mhz, RAM clock 1825Mhz, Boost 1435Mhz), 16Gb 2400 RAM, Asus ROG Swift (1440p/144Hz) bit of a beastie but nothing dual Titans shouldn't be able to easilly beat.

@GoldenElementXL: There's no fairy tale dude, it is what it is. I've seen your 3D Mark score and you should be able run this thing no problems at all, unless there's an SLI issue.

What facts and concrete reasoning are missing from my comments? Publishers lie, console hardware is shit, peasants should keep expectations in check. I see nothing wrong here (in regards to facts or my reasoning). Obviously, publishers should not lie.

Console peasants/gamers have been bitching about the downgrade for a long time. So, I don't see what your issue is. All of my comments are appropriate for a downgrade thread on System Wars.

There is no fairytale hardware, it's just called having a good PC... My video is uploading right now so I hope you're ready for that...

@BassMan: last time I looked there weren't any console gamers in this thread bitching about the downgrade.

And even then they are bitching about being lied to.

You might not not mind being lied to but the rest of the society isn't ok with it.

I'll admit I didn't know nanometers and Tflops of these current consoles so when I saw these reveals I figured they were pretty honest. Especially since I figured we'd come so long since the days of the PS3 Killzone reveal and how ppl jumped on that shit.

I figured "they're not that stupid".

Not my fault...I actually think the game looks fine on consoles from what I saw.

What are you using to capture the video? I want to make sure I use the same thing.

It still looks good though. Could use a little more Ambient Occlusion but when you've got a large open world, that kind of graphics can be difficult to pull off.

@nyadc said:

@quadknight said:

Looks decent on PC but it's still a downgrade and it looks shit on consoles. I remember when the PS4 version was supposed to look like this....

This picture is a doctored bullshot, not even their reveal video looked like this, just figured you should know.

its actually taken straight from the reveal trailer

@GarGx1 Damn! i have GTX970 , think i'll be able to hit 60 (1080p)

Because it's SW and it doesn't worth getting upset by that, c'mon mate it's meant to be like that. @BassMan You did take it too far with "consoles are shit" part tho :D It's their platform, let'em love it.

Exactly, and that's why they won't be getting my money. They fooled me once with Watch Dogs, and they aren't gonna fool me again.

@m3dude1 said:

@nyadc said:

@quadknight said:

Looks decent on PC but it's still a downgrade and it looks shit on consoles. I remember when the PS4 version was supposed to look like this....

This picture is a doctored bullshot, not even their reveal video looked like this, just figured you should know.

its actually taken straight from the reveal trailer

It can be doctored nonetheless.

@mjorh: I didn't know I was upset. I just don't like how ppl act better than others while not being better than others.

Like a 12 year old swearing to sound like an adult while the adults only swear at certain times and places.

I played the game on both Xbox One and PC, as in I played 4 hours of Xbox One last night, then instantly went onto my pc and played 1 hour. The PC version blows the console version away, you are flat out playing a gimped version on console, the graphics are better on pc but not by an astounding amount, the biggest and most game breaking issue the console versions have is frame rate, follow that with controller input that flat out sucks compared to using a mouse on pc, and in the 1 hour of pc gameplay, I caught up to where I was in the 4 hours of console gameplay.

It's a different game entirely on pc, I dont need to pop into cover anywhere near as much, open fire with accuracy and instant aiming with a 60fps framerate means I can get through a hell of a lot more gun fights than on a console, and all with more fun, more realism, more skill, smoother feeling gameplay that just flows from one moment to the next. Playing on consoles is half the experience.

@mjorh: All I can suggest is you try it, the games on open Beta at the moment so it's like a free demo.

I do have a 30% overclock on my card compared to a reference 980ti but I'd expect that you could hit the 60 mark with a 970 at 1080p

Guys, what do you think about the physics?

Is there sth like this (in terms of physics) :

My camera.

No it's most certainly not, it's just a bullshot screenshot.

http://sharethingsyoulike.com/files/carlyle/1448722119-f0fec8469f1f7546b925b336e04bc4a9.jpg

@mr_huggles_dog: i know what you sayin' and it's true , the thing is it's SW and you shouldn't take it seriously..take it with a grain of salt .... @BassMan 's statement actually made me chuckle :)))))))

I'd love to , but it's 26GB and my internet sucks so i can't download it.

@mjorh said:

Guys, what do you think about the physics?

Is there sth like this (in terms of physics) :

On a scale of 0-100%.....how close does the game look and react like this gif?

For anyone who's played the PC beta.

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@mjorh said:

Guys, what do you think about the physics?

Is there sth like this (in terms of physics) :

On a scale of 0-100%.....how close does the game look and react like this gif?

For anyone who's played the PC beta.

I'd say 85%

@nyadc: 85% is brilliant.

@nyadc: Please don't ever comment on the severity of a downgrade again . This is arguably the worst of this gen since Watchdogs.

Have you played it? if so, then how close does the game look and react like that gif?

How about you just don't comment here period, because you don't know what in the hell you're talking about...

Of course he hasn't, and if he does he'll be playing it on a console, why do you think he's so buttfrustrated...

@nyadc: Yet you're the dumb ass who just made this thread.

The physics are not even close

The polygon count and texture quality has reduced

The animations are worse

Buh buh 85% lol

So have you played it?

AM, seriously have you played it?

Bc 85% sounds pretty good to me. If there's a chance of a new PC in my future from my wonderful fiancé...then I would get this game at 85%.

• Yet when I shoot at cars the door hinges break, the hoods pop open, the bumpers come unhinged, the tires explode and the glass breaks where it's being shot through, when a door is open as you're using it for cover you close it...
• The textures and polygon count look almost identical to the E3 build.
• The animations look fine, animations change through the development of a game...

The only thing that really looks rightfully different from the E3 build is the asset density and the amount of effects being showcased, also the footage taken from E3 is in Brooklyn, the beta is in Manhattan, completely different places...

The game being about 85% of what they showed is what we have currently, to be completely honest closer to 90% might be more accurate.

Also this...

First off I must say bravo for following through and posting a video. You have far more integrity than 99% of this board.


Now for my main point. I said that anyone claiming to run the game at 1440p and 60fps MAXED was full of shit. You posted a video of the game MAXED at 1440p at 30-45fps. That proves my point. I am running the game between 40-55fps MAXED at 1440p currently. If my claim was "playable" at 1440p MAXED you would be totally right. And once crossfire/SLI is working, who knows? But now as it stands, @GarGx1 is the only person on the internet running at 1440p and 60fps maxed....... I wonder if he will share a video......

Did you even listen what I said in the video or what I said in my post? My second 290X is not even in use, there's no Crossfire support yet because this is an unfinished game and not even a driver for this game yet... Also the game is in beta and I'm sure it will be optimized further...

If my Crossfire was enabled it would easily be 60+ fps @ 1440p MAXED..... Which is exactly what I said. You also need to understand that two 290X's outputs higher performance levels than a 980 Ti, so once it's added I will outperform him, every Ubisoft game scales from 1.9x to 2x...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1437?vs=1496

@nyadc: Yes I have played it . Since your doing videos shoot a car and let the forum decide. Yes the shit still breaks off but nowhere near what it used to. Look at the detail in the glass from the original gif.

And the animation changed because it was downgraded.

Also do you think the cars are using the same amount of polys? Lol

@GoldenElementXL: He said that it's 30% overclocked.

That's all i want !

Got to ruffle a few feathers and keep this place lively. hehe ;) The beauty of it is that I own the consoles too. So, I just speak my mind and I don't take offense to any attacks on any particular platform. I know PC is the best and I can say that with confidence. I do think the consoles are shit and redundant. I only buy them for exclusives. They do not offer the proper experience. 1080p/60fps should be standard by now. The scope of a game should be adjusted to that standard. Publishers should stop trying to fool people with bullshit demos and graphics that these consoles are not capable of. People also need to be educated on these limitations and adjust their expectations accordingly. If you want good graphics, get a PC. Don't demand cutting edge graphics and expect the game to run well on the consoles. It is not going to happen.

There is too much of a disconnect between what gamers expect and what the developers are actually able to pull off. Publishers show these bullshit demos because of the pressure to WOW gamers and not disappoint them. This pressure is increased greatly during a new console generation. Unfortunately, these games get downgraded because what they showed is not realistic and then gamers are disappointed anyway. This practice needs to stop. Games should not be shown in an official trailer/gameplay capacity unless they are an accurate representation of what the final product will be like. You don't see movie trailers being shown with crazy special effects and then you watch the movie and the effects are half done and half the set is missing or something stupid like that. So, why do it with games? If they want to show games early, then show it as work in progress/behind the scenes/making of type deal.

My dual 980ti Strix would dwarf your 290x's.

And brownie points gone....

Yes I listened to your video. My claim again was anyone who claims to be running the beta at 1440p and 60 fps is full of shit. Yes I know SLI and Crossfire don't work, look at my previous posts. We aren't debating "I be Might/Should be able to run at 1440p 60fps" here.

"Performance is good, I'm getting a steady 60fps with everything maxed at 1440p"

"Yah I have it completely maxed on my computer at 1440p. It does have some optimization issues with random drops in FPS but if I cap the frame rate it is smooth."

I even said in my post responding to you, "Check the NeoGaf forum or YouTube if you don't believe me. Maybe I will post some pics too. I'm getting mid 40s-50s with shadow quality and AA turned down at 1440p with a 5960X at 4.2 and 2 Titan Blacks. (I know SLI isn't working right). Over at Gaf people with a 980Ti and X99 CPUs are hitting very similar frames as me."

That is literally what you are seeing. We are agreeing except you are calling me out for telling it like it is. NO ONE is running the beta at 1440p and a steady 60fps. Well there is one but we are waiting on a video.

@BassMan: :D couldn't agree more.

The game looks fine, even on Xbox. The only thing that looks awful is the female character model

Just fits the target audience.

Ayyyyooo

I don't get why gamers rage over downgrades. If the developer downgraded a game, they probably had a good reason for doing it (outside of some expectations like the whole parity thing). With how amazing most games look nowadays, it seems petty to me to bitch about graphics on the level that some gamers do.

@nyadc: i mean of course its insanely supersampled, but i believe that exact scene is in the reveal trailer, DOF and all

That location is in the scene and there's a lot more going on than super sampling, they retouch all of that crap with photo-editing programs.

It's no different than these Far Cry 3 images, Ubisoft does this with all of their games, it's all bull shots.

@GreySeal9: It's about dishonesty, they advertise a game with super high graphics fidelity and some months before the release you see that the quality has declined, this is not acceptable. Yeah games look brilliant which goes without saying , but the downgrade is a bummer.