The DRM for the new Simcity just sounds awful : (

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#51 KungfuKitten
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I dont see the problem here, who does not have Internet 24/7 any way`?:|

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"You have been disconnected from the server: time out."
"You have been disconnected from the server: server maintenance."
"You have been disconnected from the server: outdated version."
"The game could not be saved: cannot connect to cloud service."
"The game could not be saved: you have exceeded play time."
"The game could not be saved: not enough space."
"Cannot connect to server: too much traffic."
"Cannot connect to server: this game is no longer supported."
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#52 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

The pirates will find a work around, and the only people who'll get fvcked by this are the paying consumers.

As per usual. Keep up the good work, EA.

WilliamRLBaker
then thats the fault of the legitimate users maybe if they spent some time reporting pirates they know or beating the s''' out of them there would be less piates

This is quite possibly the dumbest, most illogical posts I've ever seen on my eleven years on these boards. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling.
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As a Console Gamer, Simcity is one of the few games that I play on the PC. I was honestly looking forward to this game, but this DRM crap just killed it for me. I understand Piracy needs to be stopped, but when will these companies learn that they can't keep coming up with asine ways to stop piracy that only hurts an honest consumer?

I'll just stick to Simcity 3000. Pretty much the same game, most modern PCs can play it, and no idiotic DRM. This has gone too far...

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#54 R4gn4r0k
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This is quite possibly the dumbest, most illogical posts I've ever seen on my eleven years on these boards. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling. MirkoS77

It's william, he's always serious

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#55 KungfuKitten
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As a Console Gamer, Simcity is one of the few games that I play on the PC. I was honestly looking forward to this game, but this DRM crap just killed it for me. I understand Piracy needs to be stopped, but when will these companies learn that they can't keep coming up with asine ways to stop piracy that only hurts an honest consumer?

I'll just stick to Simcity 3000. Pretty much the same game, most modern PCs can play it, and no idiotic DRM. This has gone too far...

caryslan2

No piracy shouldn't be stopped. This is pretty much the reason that we might need piracy. Do you really think that if there was no pirate on this planet, they wouldn't do these kinds of things? They would because it gives them more control over your money.
The average consumers will let these companies remain successful while pulling off these crazy stunts. The publishers can go way across the line before they'd be stopped.

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#56 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

I dont see the problem here, who does not have Internet 24/7 any way`?:|

KungfuKitten


"You have been disconnected from the server: time out."
"You have been disconnected from the server: server maintenance."
"You have been disconnected from the server: outdated version."
"The game could not be saved: cannot connect to cloud service."
"The game could not be saved: you have exceeded play time."
"The game could not be saved: not enough space."
"Cannot connect to server: too much traffic."
"Cannot connect to server: this game is no longer supported."
etc.

I was scared of that in beginning, but now after played Diablo 3 i am only positive to be online have my game-saves elsewhere.

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#57 KungfuKitten
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

I dont see the problem here, who does not have Internet 24/7 any way`?:|

aroxx_ab


"You have been disconnected from the server: time out."
"You have been disconnected from the server: server maintenance."
"You have been disconnected from the server: outdated version."
"The game could not be saved: cannot connect to cloud service."
"The game could not be saved: you have exceeded play time."
"The game could not be saved: not enough space."
"Cannot connect to server: too much traffic."
"Cannot connect to server: this game is no longer supported."
etc.

I was scared of that in beginning, but now after played Diablo 3 i am only positive to be online have my game-saves elsewhere.

I'm not scared of that. It happens, and I don't want that. Diablo 3 is a very good example of a game ruined by always online DRM. My first month of playing was consistently hindered by their requirements, and led me to throw it away. Cause you know, I bought that game to actually play it, there and then. Not one month after release when I could have gotten it cheaper and not with those risks. After one month I had other games to play, and I really regret giving them money for this failed experiment.
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#58 caryslan2
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[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

As a Console Gamer, Simcity is one of the few games that I play on the PC. I was honestly looking forward to this game, but this DRM crap just killed it for me. I understand Piracy needs to be stopped, but when will these companies learn that they can't keep coming up with asine ways to stop piracy that only hurts an honest consumer?

I'll just stick to Simcity 3000. Pretty much the same game, most modern PCs can play it, and no idiotic DRM. This has gone too far...

KungfuKitten

No piracy shouldn't be stopped. This is pretty much the reason that we need piracy. Do you really think that if there was no pirate on this planet, they wouldn't do these kinds of things? They would because it gives them more control over your money.

I'll have to agree with you on that point, EA would simply be using another excuse to do this. To them, its all about control and I would not be shocked if they start introducing "tiered" gameplay plans with the excuse that they have to matain the servers. What sickens me is how we reached this point. Back in the day, I could pop in my Simcity 3000 disc into a computer, install it, and be playing the game. The most that might be asked of me was an installation code. Now, it takes an act of congress to even play a damn game.

Really, is EA stupid? The just cost a potential customer that would have bought this game. I'll just stick with Simcity 3000 and watch this game crash and burn. I am not going to have a video game company play god with my save files, and decide when I can and can't play. On top of that, this is a company that his infamous for shutting down servers. From what I'm reading, without the servers there is no way to save your game.

Which means I'm not going to spend money on EA's little expermaint in stupidity. I have Sim City 3000. That's more then enough for me. At least I can do this "old-fashioned" thing called saving my game to a hard drive.

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#59 GamerwillzPS
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And they still wonder why many people pirated games...

Put DRM in there, people will pirate!

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#60 -Unreal-
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Oh I forgot to mention, as it's an EA game and a SIM game, expect them to shaft you multiple times over costs and additions to the game through DLC and/or expansions for every little addition over a very short period of time.

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#61 yellonet
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I will never buy that.

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#62 Snugenz
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Well this sucks. I had my fill of always online with D3 so here's hoping the community uproar will change their minds before release, otherwise i might have to skip a game i've been looking forward to for years.

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#63 Sagem28
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Well this sucks. I had my fill of always online with D3 so here's hoping the community uproar will change their minds before release, otherwise i might have to skip a game i've been looking forward to for years.

Snugenz

D3 was so horrible.

Lag during singleplayer, welcome to the future of gaming.

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#64 AmazonTreeBoa
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Dammit. I was actually pretty excited about this game, now I won't be buying it.
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#65 R4gn4r0k
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D3 was so horrible.

Lag during singleplayer, welcome to the future of gaming.

Sagem28

Yeah I stopped playing it because of that. Co-op wasn't all that great and getting 120+ ping in a singleplayer game is not what I call fun.

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#66 Sagem28
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

D3 was so horrible.

Lag during singleplayer, welcome to the future of gaming.

R4gn4r0k

Yeah I stopped playing it because of that. Co-op wasn't all that great and getting 120+ ping in a singleplayer game is not what I call fun.

Ain't that the truth. :(
Such a shame, really.

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#67 R4gn4r0k
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Ain't that the truth. :(
Such a shame, really.

Sagem28

It really is, it had the potential of being a classic like Diablo 1&2. But it ended up being just 'alright'. Which for Blizzard is not alright.

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#68 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Not on PC, no.

The only EA games I bought recently were Mass Effect, and I got those on console.

R4gn4r0k

What if they put origin on consoles too (which they plan on doing). Will you stop buying their games entirely ?

Yeah, I don't see Sony or Microsoft allowing origin on their systems. Big conflict of interest there. Don't you think Steam would already be selling games this way if it was allowed?
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#70 Kamekazi_69
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I want this game badly, as Sim City 4 brought me much joy, but I wont be getting it because of DRM. I learned my lesson before, and I don't purchase EA games anymore because of it

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#71 R4gn4r0k
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Yeah, I don't see Sony or Microsoft allowing origin on their systems. Big conflict of interest there. Don't you think Steam would already be selling games this way if it was allowed?AmazonTreeBoa

You are thinking of the store part of origin.

I'm not talking about that

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#72 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

As a Console Gamer, Simcity is one of the few games that I play on the PC. I was honestly looking forward to this game, but this DRM crap just killed it for me. I understand Piracy needs to be stopped, but when will these companies learn that they can't keep coming up with asine ways to stop piracy that only hurts an honest consumer?

I'll just stick to Simcity 3000. Pretty much the same game, most modern PCs can play it, and no idiotic DRM. This has gone too far...

caryslan2

No piracy shouldn't be stopped. This is pretty much the reason that we need piracy. Do you really think that if there was no pirate on this planet, they wouldn't do these kinds of things? They would because it gives them more control over your money.

I'll have to agree with you on that point, EA would simply be using another excuse to do this. To them, its all about control and I would not be shocked if they start introducing "tiered" gameplay plans with the excuse that they have to matain the servers. What sickens me is how we reached this point. Back in the day, I could pop in my Simcity 3000 disc into a computer, install it, and be playing the game. The most that might be asked of me was an installation code. Now, it takes an act of congress to even play a damn game.

Really, is EA stupid? The just cost a potential customer that would have bought this game. I'll just stick with Simcity 3000 and watch this game crash and burn. I am not going to have a video game company play god with my save files, and decide when I can and can't play. On top of that, this is a company that his infamous for shutting down servers. From what I'm reading, without the servers there is no way to save your game.

Which means I'm not going to spend money on EA's little expermaint in stupidity. I have Sim City 3000. That's more then enough for me. At least I can do this "old-fashioned" thing called saving my game to a hard drive.

Everybody keeps saying they have and will just play 3000. Am I the only one with Sim City 4 around here? Is there something wrong with 4 that I don't know about? It crashes all the time on Vista, so I can't play it until my new PC is finished, so if there is something wrong with 4, I don't know about it. My copy is Sim City 4 Deluxe Edition on Steam.
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#73 Snugenz
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Everybody keeps saying they have and will just play 3000. Am I the only one with Sim City 4 around here? Is there something wrong with 4 that I don't know about? It crashes all the time on Vista, so I can't play it until my new PC is finished, so if there is something wrong with 4, I don't know about it. My copy is Sim City 4 Deluxe Edition on Steam.AmazonTreeBoa

SC4 crashes constantly on Windows 7 aswell, even the Steam version does afaik.

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#74 Moriarity_
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Diablo 3 is the only game I bought with "you must be online at all times" drm...and it will be the last game with that kind of drm that I will ever buy.
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Yeah, I don't see Sony or Microsoft allowing origin on their systems. Big conflict of interest there. Don't you think Steam would already be selling games this way if it was allowed?R4gn4r0k

You are thinking of the store part of origin.

I'm not talking about that

Ah I see.
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#77 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Everybody keeps saying they have and will just play 3000. Am I the only one with Sim City 4 around here? Is there something wrong with 4 that I don't know about? It crashes all the time on Vista, so I can't play it until my new PC is finished, so if there is something wrong with 4, I don't know about it. My copy is Sim City 4 Deluxe Edition on Steam.Snugenz

SC4 crashes constantly on Windows 7 aswell, even the Steam version does afaik.

Aww dammit. I will be using Windows 7 on my new rig and was looking forward to playing it. GRRRR!!!!! I see why everybody says 3000 now.
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#78 nintendoboy16
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EA should take a cue from Ubisoft and drop it.
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Doesn't affect me. Don't care. Everywhere I play PC games has an internet connection. It's almost 2013, not 2003.

-Unreal-
that's how i feel about this. my internet never goes out now after getting my own wired connection. it won't affect me and im still interested in this game.,
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#80 clyde46
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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

Doesn't affect me. Don't care. Everywhere I play PC games has an internet connection. It's almost 2013, not 2003.

themagicbum9720
that's how i feel about this. my internet never goes out now after getting my own wired connection. it won't affect me and im still interested in this game.,

Good luck playing the game when the EA servers get canned.
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#81 heretrix
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I learned my lesson with Diablo III. Won't ever be buying a game with always online DRM again. MirkoS77
EXACTLY. There is no friggin way I'm gonna pay full price for a game and not have even the illusion of complete control of when and how I play it. This really sucks. I was really anticipating this game. I have a fiber connection that's pretty stable, but that doesn't stop them from having issues on their end as D3 demonstrated.

Like Diablo 3 this will be a another game that I will not play due to the fact that when I'm a honest customer I really don't appreciate being treated like a goddamn pirate.

Screw EA. Screw them with a rusty pipe.

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#82 heretrix
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Everybody keeps saying they have and will just play 3000. Am I the only one with Sim City 4 around here? Is there something wrong with 4 that I don't know about? It crashes all the time on Vista, so I can't play it until my new PC is finished, so if there is something wrong with 4, I don't know about it. My copy is Sim City 4 Deluxe Edition on Steam.Snugenz

SC4 crashes constantly on Windows 7 aswell, even the Steam version does afaik.

It has a problem with multicore processors. Just disable some of the cores (google simcity 4 multicore fix) and smooth sailing.

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#83 JohnF111
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I'll buy it, I don't like the DRM but I want the game.
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#84 Truth_Hurts_U
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This is the type of game you don't support. Having no control over anything is always bad. Now you can't even have your own save games.

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You can still buy the game then crack it for offline, no? I don't care whether cracking is legal or not, but if you buy the game there are no moral issues.
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#86 AmazonTreeBoa
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You can still buy the game then crack it for offline, no? I don't care whether cracking is legal or not, but if you buy the game there are no moral issues.SaltyMeatballs
But buying the game=supporting this type of DRM and sends a message to the dev that you think this is ok. So no I wouldn't go that route for a game like this. I don't pirate, but that would be the only way I would get the game at this point. I will not support this type of DRM.
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That sounds pretty bad. All I want is a new Sim Copter.
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#88 Tykain
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That sounds awful. I was looking forward to this game, but now i think i'll pass unless they change their mind about this and make an offline mode.
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then thats the fault of the legitimate users maybe if they spent some time reporting pirates they know or beating the s''' out of them there would be less piates WilliamRLBaker

This is idiotic and short-sighted. Many, many companies aren't going to waste resources on eliminating the individual pirates. It serves no purpose.

The best way to end piracy is to eliminate the distribution channels, but even that is incredibly difficult. In short, there is no real-world solution, as of this moment (Cloud is probably the closest, and even that will be a far cry).

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#90 slimjimbadboy
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So people are angry that it's online for single player. When did they announce this SimCity would have single player?

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#91 Farsendor1
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expected this im still buying sim city

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#92 Bread_or_Decide
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The pirates will find a work around, and the only people who'll get fvcked by this are the paying consumers.

As per usual. Keep up the good work, EA.

Sagem28
Did they find a work around for Diablo III?
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#93 MK-Professor
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will not affect me, for a simple reason i have internet contortion :|:o although some people will take it as an excuse to pirate the game.

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#94 Metallic_Blade
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One of the problems (atleast in recent years) is that game developers rarely release demos for the games anymore. So, how is one suppose to know of just how well the said game will run on their machine? System requirements don't mean jack either. Just look at the requirements to run GTA:IV and then try actually running it with similar specs.

So what it to be done with this? Last time I heard, you don't own the product (game), you only have a granted license to use it.

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#96 heretrix
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will not affect me, for a simple reason i have internet contortion :|:o although some people will take it as an excuse to pirate the game.

MK-Professor

Having a sufficient internet connection on your end ISN'T the problem. The problem is when they go down for some reason like maintenance or hardware failure/updates. This also gets into the murky waters of how long will they support the game. I had to call EA supportlast Xmas because of an activation issue when I wanted to play the original Mass Effect on the PC, and when I explained my issue I was told that the gamewas "kinda old" so I had to get my activation reset. I was able to play it...eventually (4 hours later). I'd rather whatever issues I have with a game be my fault than a server connection issue from them. Given their reputation for having really sh!tty server issues on pretty much all of their online games, this doesn't fill me with confidence. And no game should just have cloud only saves as it removes a very good reason for cloud gaming in the first place...a good backup. Their hardware isn't immune to failure.

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#97 Zeviander
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And gamers will eat it up and praise Maxis for being so innovative in the fight against piracy.
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#98 MK-Professor
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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

will not affect me, for a simple reason i have internet contortion :|:o although some people will take it as an excuse to pirate the game.

heretrix

Having a sufficient internet connection on your end ISN'T the problem. The problem is when they go down for some reason like maintenance or hardware failure/updates. This also gets into the murky waters of how long will they support the game. I had to call EA supportlast Xmas because of an activation issue when I wanted to play the original Mass Effect on the PC, and when I explained my issue I was told that the gamewas "kinda old" so I had to get my activation reset. I was able to play it...eventually (4 hours later). I'd rather whatever issues I have with a game be my fault than a server connection issue from them. Given their reputation for having really sh!tty server issues on pretty much all of their online games, this doesn't fill me with confidence. And no game should just have cloud only saves as it removes a very good reason for cloud gaming in the first place...a good backup. Their hardware isn't immune to failure.

I have play a couple games with DRM and no problem what so even in fact didn't even notice that it was there until i saw a thread in SW saying this game have DRM:P

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#99 Rattlesnake_8
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The problem with bad DRM is it causes more piracy.. when devs release games without DRM more people buy the game. A lot of people will pirate the game just to avoid the horrible DRM. Prime example is spore. People pirated that game on a mass scale because of the DRM.
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#100 EvanTheGamer
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Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.