The DRM for the new Simcity just sounds awful : (

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#101 slimjimbadboy
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Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.

EvanTheGamer

So this entire thread was made because you don't think you should be forced to be online in a multiplayer game?

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#102 clyde46
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.

slimjimbadboy

So this entire thread was made because you don't think you should be forced to be online in a multiplayer game?

Nah, Evan just likes to get his rocks off on the premise that PC gamers are all pirates.
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#103 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

will not affect me, for a simple reason i have internet contortion :|:o although some people will take it as an excuse to pirate the game.

heretrix

Having a sufficient internet connection on your end ISN'T the problem. The problem is when they go down for some reason like maintenance or hardware failure/updates. This also gets into the murky waters of how long will they support the game. I had to call EA supportlast Xmas because of an activation issue when I wanted to play the original Mass Effect on the PC, and when I explained my issue I was told that the gamewas "kinda old" so I had to get my activation reset. I was able to play it...eventually (4 hours later). I'd rather whatever issues I have with a game be my fault than a server connection issue from them. Given their reputation for having really sh!tty server issues on pretty much all of their online games, this doesn't fill me with confidence. And no game should just have cloud only saves as it removes a very good reason for cloud gaming in the first place...a good backup. Their hardware isn't immune to failure.

Pretty much. I can see how before Diablo III demonstrated what a catastrophe always online DRM was people may have had a case to argue that in this day and age requiring a constant connection was a tenable position to hold, but now it's been proven not to be a viable solution and in fact literally ruins the enjoyment. I can't even begin to express my frustration at the (sometimes 9 hour) downtimes for maintenance, being unable to play the day of release, not being able to play when I want for something I paid money for, the constant "Error 37" connection problems, the dropouts, the lame save system, the account hackings (which ironically was one of Blizzard's main arguments for having always online), the loss of items and hardcore characters due to Blizzard's fault, the constant stuttering....all products stemming from that DRM.

And people still are so apathetic and will continue to support such a thing? That's insane, and the blame rests just as much on their shoulders as much as it does the pirates. I can't say I'm extremely disappointed with this news as I'm not really a fan of the Sim series, but I was curious and if it received positive reviews I may have been interested and looked into picking it up. Now, it's not even on my radar. Well, at least as this news arrives so does the news that Ubi is going to ditch their past DRM in favor for a one time activation, so there is a good sign that while some companies continue to shoot themselves in the foot, others are wising up.

Now, if Relic and THQ comes out and says Company of Heroes 2 will have this DRM, I will cry. That is a franchise I love and would be severely pissed if it becomes ruined by this. I'm keeping my fingers crossed until its release.

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#104 locopatho
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Dam. What a contrast between this and the original SimCity game: "On January 10, 2008, the SimCity source code was released under the free software GPL 3 license.[14] The release of the source code was related to the donation of SimCity software to the One Laptop Per Child laptop, as one of the principles of the OLPC laptop is the use of free and open source software. The open source version will be called Micropolis (the initial name for SimCity), since EA retains the trademark SimCity. The version shipped on OLPC laptops will still be called SimCity, but will have to be tested by EA quality assurance before each release to be able to use that name." It's such a shame that the first one is 100% free and open source while this one is like the 100% opposite of that.
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#105 ChelGirl86
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Ugh. This DRM crap is seriously hurting PC gaming more than piracy.
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#106 Mr_Cumberdale
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Doesn't affect me. Don't care. Everywhere I play PC games has an internet connection. It's almost 2013, not 2003.

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Some ISPs aren't as great. I live out in the country and the best I can get is a local wireless ISP. It's usually good but recently it's been going down for hours at a time.
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#107 Jankarcop
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Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.

EvanTheGamer

Oh , so this was a huge bait thread afterall.

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#108 EvanTheGamer
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[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.

slimjimbadboy

So this entire thread was made because you don't think you should be forced to be online in a multiplayer game?

You can't even play single player without a connection, stupid PChild

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#109 Goyoshi12
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

The pirates will find a work around, and the only people who'll get fvcked by this are the paying consumers.

As per usual. Keep up the good work, EA.

WilliamRLBaker

then thats the fault of the legitimate users maybe if they spent some time reporting pirates they know or beating the s''' out of them there would be less piates


Right, because EVERYONE can tell a pirate copy from a legitament copy....that's common knowledge!

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#110 slimjimbadboy
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[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Bump, its hard to feel sorry for PC Gamers' crappy future when they did it to themselves.

EvanTheGamer

So this entire thread was made because you don't think you should be forced to be online in a multiplayer game?

You can't even play single player without a connection, stupid PChild

This SimCity game has single player? When did EA announce this?

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#111 skrat_01
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I dont see the problem here, who does not have Internet 24/7 any way`?:|

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You make it sound internet connections are infallible. Oh boy that's some naivety.
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#112 Mystery_Writer
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Most probably they'll be fine. Kids sign any EULA to play games.
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#113 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

The pirates will find a work around, and the only people who'll get fvcked by this are the paying consumers.

As per usual. Keep up the good work, EA.

WilliamRLBaker
then thats the fault of the legitimate users maybe if they spent some time reporting pirates they know or beating the s''' out of them there would be less piates

huh yeah that's true.
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#114 1080pOnly
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You can't even play single player without a connection, stupid PChild

EvanTheGamer

You are possibly the most unintelligent person on System Wars. That is quite a feat.

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#115 coasterguy65
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I'll never buy another game that has the always on requirement for single player. I learned my lesson with Diablo 3 and all the downtime over the first few weeks.

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#116 Ly_the_Fairy
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]You can still buy the game then crack it for offline, no? I don't care whether cracking is legal or not, but if you buy the game there are no moral issues.AmazonTreeBoa
But buying the game=supporting this type of DRM and sends a message to the dev that you think this is ok. So no I wouldn't go that route for a game like this. I don't pirate, but that would be the only way I would get the game at this point. I will not support this type of DRM.

Unfortunately for Maxis they made all the other Sim City games so flippin good, and there are other great city-builder alternatives, so I'm not too worried about not owning SC5 myself.

I won't be supporting always online drm either otherwise I'd be sure to buy this game.

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#117 Heil68
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Doesn't bother me and had no problems with Diablo 3, I'll more than likely be getting it day 1.
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#118 JohnF111
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Oh I forgot to mention, as it's an EA game and a SIM game, expect them to shaft you multiple times over costs and additions to the game through DLC and/or expansions for every little addition over a very short period of time.

-Unreal-
^^Not sure if hypocrite. No wait I am sure, he is...
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#119 tagyhag
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EvanTheGamer thread reaching over 100+ posts. I'd say I'm disappointed System Wars, but I'd have to think you're better than this to be disappointed.
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#120 Allthishate
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is this game out yet ?
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#121 arto1223
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Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

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#122 garrett_daniels
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Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

arto1223

It's not just about the player's connection; your internet connection might be just fine, but if the game server is down for maintenance (or whatever) you're suddenly unable to play your game. There's also nothing stopping EA deliberately pulling the plug in a few years, rendering your game unusable and pushing you towards a shiny new sequel.

If you don't mind not always being able to play your games whenever and wherever you want that's fine, but many players do care about this sort of thing and it is not just because of concerns about unreliable internet access.

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#123 lightleggy
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And yet again another case of legitimate buyers getting screwed up and pirates getting away with their own.
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#124 lightleggy
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Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

arto1223
The problem is not your connection, if the servers get saturated/down for maintenance you cant play the game at all, and knowing EA, they will be shutting down the servers for the game in a few years, rendering unplayable. It's even Ironic that you say that, since you got a diablo 3 avatar...I assume you were not present during launch?
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#125 R4gn4r0k
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[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

lightleggy
The problem is not your connection, if the servers get saturated/down for maintenance you cant play the game at all, and knowing EA, they will be shutting down the servers for the game in a few years, rendering unplayable. It's even Ironic that you say that, since you got a diablo 3 avatar...I assume you were not present during launch?

Oh god, they can just shut down the servers once the next sim city is out to force everyone to buy that game. This kind of complete control from publishers on when and for how long you can play the game should be illegal
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#126 k2theswiss
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don't really care... Internet is everywhere. my house, every food joint you can think of and there is like at least 5 on every block where i come from, my job, list goes on lol. the servers updates every 3 minutes so ya u got 3 min leeways. Also the game is suppose to be more multilayer due to the design of playing in regions with other people and making trades with other cities or tag timing it.
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#127 heretrix
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don't really care... Internet is everywhere. my house, every food joint you can think of and there is like at least 5 on every block where i come from, my job, list goes on lol. the servers updates every 3 minutes so ya u got 3 min leeways. Also the game is suppose to be more multilayer due to the design of playing in regions with other people and making trades with other cities or tag timing it.k2theswiss
I really don't understand how people are failing to grasp the simple fact that the problem ISN'T YOUR GODDAMN INTERNET CONNECTION. It's about the failure that happens on their end and how once that happens YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A GAME YOU PAID MONEY FOR. Or, just as bad, you lose hours of progress because of badly timed server maintenance.

You can have the best internet connection in the world but if there is no live server to access, you might as well have a pair of tin cans for your internet access.

How in the hell are we supposed to trust a company that launched one of the most anticipated online shooters with not enough server support? And that was after getting an unprecedented amount of pre-orders with a years notice on how massive the launch would be... How are we trusting such an anti-consumer company with something like this? No local saves? That's batsh!t crazy. ESPECIALLY from a franchise that was once a single player affair. It's bad enough they are forcing you to play multiplayer, but they are now adding something that has an enormous potential to go bad it isn't even funny. An EA has proven many times over that they really don't give a sh!t about inconveniencing their customers to get what they want.

"Whatta you mean we lost all of your progress? Just start over dude! You love our game, it shouldn't be a problem."

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#128 GarGx1
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If you buy it your getting what you deserve. I know it sounds harsh but I've been through the Assassins Creed II/Splinter Cell crap with Ubisoft, fortunately they appear to have learned from their mistakes. It's Maxis/EA who will suffer when their sales, of what could potentially be an excellent game, crash. Eventually the hacker squads out there will crack the DRM and it'll be less hassel for people to play ilegally than for the paying customers.

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#129 madsnakehhh
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Insane and plain stupid DRM, one of the reasons i'm quitting PC gaming...among other stuffs like my PC needing a serious upgrade :P

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#130 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

R4gn4r0k
The problem is not your connection, if the servers get saturated/down for maintenance you cant play the game at all, and knowing EA, they will be shutting down the servers for the game in a few years, rendering unplayable. It's even Ironic that you say that, since you got a diablo 3 avatar...I assume you were not present during launch?

Oh god, they can just shut down the servers once the next sim city is out to force everyone to buy that game. This kind of complete control from publishers on when and for how long you can play the game should be illegal

Im pretty sure that SC tou will specify somewhere that they can and will.
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#131 GamerwillzPS
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I'm very disappointed, indeed.

What added more to the injury is that the game is coming with multiplayer. Yes, you're reading it correctly, MULTIPLAYER! In... A... Sim... City... Game.

You know what, EA? FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!

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#132 lightleggy
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I'm very disappointed, indeed.

What added more to the injury is that the game is coming with multiplayer. Yes, you're reading it correctly, MULTIPLAYER! In... A... Sim... City... Game.

You know what, EA? FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!

GamerwillzPS
I thought that this franchise had a multiplayer feature since 3000?
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#133 savagetwinkie
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the problem with DRM like this is pirates will end up with a more convenient solution with hacks...
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#134 Zophar87
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Arguing about a game that has DRM is silly at this point in time. Especially when you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!

Welcome to the 21st century where people have internet.

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#135 garrett_daniels
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you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!Zophar87
The player's connection isn't the problem; if EA's servers are down you can't play SimCity. The game becomes totally unusable.

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#136 Zophar87
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[QUOTE="Zophar87"]you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!garrett_daniels

The player's connection isn't the problem; if EA's servers are down you can't play SimCity. The game becomes totally unusable.

That's fine, you make a vaild argument. But the fact that you merely have to be online in order to play is what people are complaining about.

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#137 garrett_daniels
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That's fine, you make a vaild argument. But the fact that you merely have to be online in order to play is what people are complaining about.Zophar87
No, see, the server requirement for the so-called "single player" mode means that every step in the chain becomes cruical.

First you need a stable, fast internet connection. Not all PC gamers can manage this (not just for financial reasons--those living in rural areas or serving in the armed forces will often be in this category). This also rules out players who travel a lot for work or whatever and want to play while on the plane or whatever. EA are effectively telling these players that their needs are irrelevant and they are not welcome in the new SimCity.

Second, you need stable servers at the publisher's end. Every online game has problems on a semi-regular basis. For almost any other game you could simply play the single player mode while you wait for the servers to return, but with SimCity the whole game becomes unusable and worthless.

Third, you have to accept that EA can and will permanently take away your access to the game you paid for at any time. SimCity 4 was released in 2003, making it almost ten years old; it still works to this day, but there is no way the servers for the new SimCity will still be online in 2023 when it is ten years old; EA love pulling servers after only a few years. You're a happy fan still playing years later, or a newcomer who just bought the game recently, and they suddenly pull the plug? Too bad, your game is now just garbage clogging your hard drive. Time to uninstall!

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#138 locopatho
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Arguing about a game that has DRM is silly at this point in time. Especially when you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!

Welcome to the 21st century where people have internet.

Zophar87
My internet is fine, yet GS keeps crashing and yelling OOPS at me. What if that happens in SimCity? If I want to play a single player game and the server is overloaded and I get an OOPS error?
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#139 clyde46
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[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Arguing about a game that has DRM is silly at this point in time. Especially when you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!

Welcome to the 21st century where people have internet.

locopatho
My internet is fine, yet GS keeps crashing and yelling OOPS at me. What if that happens in SimCity? If I want to play a single player game and the server is overloaded and I get an OOPS error?

Also, what about the people who like to game on laptops on airplanes? In cars? etc. You cant get internet there.
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#140 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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And thats one game I won't be buying.

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#141 garrett_daniels
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My internet is fine, yet GS keeps crashing and yelling OOPS at me. What if that happens in SimCity? If I want to play a single player game and the server is overloaded and I get an OOPS error?locopatho
You wait it out like a gullible sheep, er, patient customer, and finally log back in only to find your city in flames, flooded, or bankrupt (or possibly all three at once).

Some players will have this happen, guaranteed. Look at Diablo III; numerous players have lost hardcore characters during "single player" due to server issues (death is permanent in hardcore mode). You can't "lose" SimCity in the same manner, but it's certainly possible for various events to occur that make it not much fun to continue playing that city.

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#142 MirkoS77
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If people have not learned how terrible this kind of DRM is with Diablo III and STILL support it, they are hopeless idiots that are the exact reason we are losing rights more and more. But keep eating it up guys, until you won't be able to play the game when you want, can't save locally, and won't be able to play in 10 (or less) years for something you paid for as the servers will be shut down.

Oh, wait....

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#143 heretrix
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[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Arguing about a game that has DRM is silly at this point in time. Especially when you're on a gaming website (that requires you to be on the internet anyway) arguing about having to be online!

Welcome to the 21st century where people have internet.

locopatho

My internet is fine, yet GS keeps crashing and yelling OOPS at me. What if that happens in SimCity? If I want to play a single player game and the server is overloaded and I get an OOPS error?

EXACTLY.

Now imagine you've dropped 60 bucks for access and now when you finally have the time to play (people do have lives that don't involve gaming) you can't have access to something that you've spent your hard earned money for. There is no excuse for that, I don't give a crap what anyone tells you. They have your money, you should have their product. Yes, Simcity has had multiplayer features in it previously and you still had the ability to save locally. It's a total crock and EA should be ashamed of themselves. But that's the problem, they have no shame. I would rather the multiplayer be separate from the single player if this is the only solution they could come up with, because I don't give a crap about multiplayer. Simcity is one of my all time favorite franchises out there and it's really sad that it's come to this.

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#144 arto1223
Member since 2005 • 4412 Posts

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Meh, I'm always online. Sucks for those who are not.

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The problem is not your connection, if the servers get saturated/down for maintenance you cant play the game at all, and knowing EA, they will be shutting down the servers for the game in a few years, rendering unplayable. It's even Ironic that you say that, since you got a diablo 3 avatar...I assume you were not present during launch?

I played it day one. Yea, it had some problems, but I've had issues with games that didn't require always-on too. Every game has its issues day one in today's time.

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#145 Gxgear
Member since 2003 • 10425 Posts

Time to dust off Simcity 2000 and unleash some aliens/tornados.