The Elder Scrolls 6 or Final Fantasy 16 - which game are you more hyped for?

Haven't care about FF since #7 because of this nonsense.

@heathen75 said:

@eoten said:

In Elder Scrolls game, I am allowed to play as a grown man. I don't have to be an angsty emo teenager. I do not understand who FF is trying to market their games to. The last good one they made, X, the people who played it are all in their 30s now and do not identify well with the characters they've been giving us.

Haven't care about FF since #7 because of this nonsense.

😄 do you hate Tomb Raider because you get to play as an attractive woman?

@SolidGame_basic: Not at all. When Lara starts carrying a sword that weighs 3x her body weight and rides a mutant ostrich, then I'm done with her too. I prefer my fantasy games to be more gritty and bloody over cutesy and silly.

Elder Scrolls 6 by a mile... the new Kingdom Hearts style Final Fantasy was a low point in the series for me, and it looks like 16 will be headed in the same direction.

Final Fantasy 16. From I hear 16 has been in development for 4 years already so devs said the game should be done sooner than people expect it to be considering it was only announced recently.

Elder Scrolls VI. I didn't really care for FF15, 14 wasn't really for me, and 13 was a linear mess with linear upgrade paths. It wasn't until the International version that I actually liked FF12. Elder Scrolls has been enjoyable to me ever since I played Morrowind many years ago. I have much higher hopes for ES 6 to be a good game than FF 16. Just my perspective on it though.

TES VI for sure, though Bethesda haven't made a good game in almost a decade.

Both i guess!!!

@lebanese_boy said:

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@lebanese_boy said:

LMAO! Just a gamer that prefers quality over quantity bro. Once you've had a succulent Angus ribeye, you can't go back to chuck lol

Haha then we are not at a difference of opinion my friend, I myself am looking forward to BoTW 2 more than these two games combined by a long mile.

I don't know about you but BoTW was probably the greatest rpg of all time as far as I'm concerned. I loved everything about it. Very rarely do I play a game and say to myself "I don't want this to end" but BoTW was one of those. I can't wait to see what the sequel brings but one thing I do know is that it's going to be amazing. Elder Fantasy XX couldn't touch it lol

Zelda BoTW has been one of my top games of all times, pretty much the ultimate Zelda game in many respects. It has its shortcomings though which I'm hoping get addressed in the sequel (story not totally fleshed out, dungeons all looking similar). I would argue Witcher 3 is better at being an RPG though, if you haven't played it I highly recommend.

I've never played The Witcher. I hear it's pretty good but I prefer the cel-shaded art style of BoTW. I'm not big on rpgs. I've only played a handful (Fable, Suikoden, BoTW). As for the issues, they didn't really bother me much. I was more worried about finding a quicker way to take down guardians than anything lol But I'm definitely looking forward to the sequel. If it's even better than the original I'll be shocked.

FF16 for me.

@SolidGame_basic said:

@heathen75 said:

@eoten said:

In Elder Scrolls game, I am allowed to play as a grown man. I don't have to be an angsty emo teenager. I do not understand who FF is trying to market their games to. The last good one they made, X, the people who played it are all in their 30s now and do not identify well with the characters they've been giving us.

Haven't care about FF since #7 because of this nonsense.

😄 do you hate Tomb Raider because you get to play as an attractive woman?

I would if she was also a whiny emo teenager.

Lets see........

A sequel to one of the most influential games of the past decade, that got 96 on metacritic, won GOTY on this very site, was the biggest game the year it came out, sold over 30 million, and even modern ports continue to sell millions, the title screen trailer shown in 2018 was enough to dominate social media engagements at the event it was shown at, second only to Cyberpunk, and will almost certainly win Game of the Show (or equivalent) at whatever E3 or other tradeshow the game is next showcased at.......

Or........

A sequel in a franchise who hasnt had a culturally relevant installment, or been a "marquee" franchise in the gaming zeitgeist (for Playstation, or otherwise), since WWE was still called WWF.

But Cows will still say Elder Scrolls is "a shadow of its former self" or "on the decline" but still hype this shit 🤣

The last several installments of Final Fantasy have all been lukewarm at best. The last great Final Fantasy was X and X-2. Just to give you a frame of reference for how long its been since this franchise has been good........im 28 years old, and I shoveled snow in the 5th grade to buy FFX.

All Final Fantasies from 12 and forward are where the series started to go downhill. Thats where they began straying away from the turn based battle system of X, and started progressively forcing the Kingdom Hearts battle system into everything, more and more with each installment, to the point where they dont even WANT to be a JRPG anymore. They want to be a generic western open world AAA blockbuster game. They want to be a Rockstar (RDR) or Ubisoft (AC) game, with a Final Fantasy veneer. And in the most recent trailer, there's even Dark Souls influence now.

The franchise has tried too hard to appeal to a western audience, and in turn, strayed away from what made Final Fantasy what it was. This was made evident to me playing Persona 5. A game that isnt afraid to be a JRPG, or think americans are too dumb or have too short of an attention span to have a traditional turn based combat system. Or think Americans will be too turned off by Japanese culture. I felt like I was in 5th grade playing FFX again playing Persona 5, and I realize I just havent really messed with JRPGs like that since FFX and X-2. Its because there just hasnt been a traditional JRPG franchise that been as good as those games, while ALSO being able to gain as much mainstream traction in the west, that was able to fill that void. Persona now occupies the lane Final Fantasy used to hold with me, and this new Final Fantasy looks like it doesn't know what the hell it wants its identity to be.

Almost forgot about the Devil May Cry guy being involved with FF16. With the DMC guy handling the action combat system, along with the FF14 team handling everything else, FF16 looks like it's going to be a huge step-up from FF15. If all goes well, FF16 could very well turn out to be one of the GOAT ARPGs. But we'll have to wait and see how that pans out.

Come to think of it, it's a bit like how the successful FF11 Online (although it wasn't as good as WOW) served as the basis for FF12. And now the successful FF14 Online is serving as the basis for FF16.

As for TES, the only thing I've really enjoyed about it are the Skyrim mods. But there's only so much you can do with mods, when the core game itself is so mediocre. Sure, Skyrim might seem good compared to, say, the even more mediocre FF 13 & 15. But Skyrim is trash compared to FF14, which is what FF16 is building off.

Yeah, I find this so embarrassing about the Japanese. They wanna set their stories in medieval-like times, but everyone has hair like Korean pop singers. It's so stupid. FF XVI lacks style.

I totally respect your opinion, but wanted to know, how can you have so much faith in Elder Scrolls when it's been almost 10 years since Skyrim came out? And the last decent game (Fallout 4) got good reviews, but was clearly showing its age. And since then they went into mobile and had the disaster that is Fallout 76.

People had faith in FF XV too...

Zero hype for either. They are both relics of the past that have seen a substantial decline for at least a decade.

As a matter of fact, hair salons did exist in medieval times. And people in medieval times often had flamboyant hairstyles. Especially the aristocratic classes. Whereas the peasant classes had more plain hairstyles.

In other words, medieval aristocrats looked like JRPG characters, whereas medieval peasants looked like WRPG characters.

No, they didn't. Just looking up "medieval hair," I don't see the kind of embarrassing K-pop of Japanese RPGs. I find stuff more like this:

@howmakewood: lol, well, I can see if traditionalists aren't happy with the action RPG direction the series is going. I really loved the battle system in FF7 remake. It was exciting. I think after some tweaks it will be even better in the next one.

In medieval times, many men (especially wealthy men) had long hair, with hairstyles ranging from pigtails (e.g. Vikings) to the bucket head (e.g. not unlike The Beatles, Justin Bieber, K-pop boys, etc.). And many medieval men wore things like colourful clothes, skirts, tights, makeup, etc.

The general medieval population was also much younger, due to significantly lower life expectancy (roughly half that of modern times). Back then, you'd be considered middle-aged in your 30s, and an old man in your 40s. In that regard, JRPGs are a more accurate reflection of medieval times, since the characters tend to skew younger.

Are JRPGs an accurate representation of medieval times? No, of course not. But neither are WRPGs. Neither are an accurate representation of medieval times.

Ff16 for the DMC combat.

We've seen shag all of ES6, but there's also the fact that FFXV burnt me pretty hard. Thankfully, FF7 somewhat made up for that, even though the filler was a bit meh. So... I guess ES6, so long as MS pulls Bethesda's head out of their own arse.

Yeah, that's completely false. There wasn't a whole lot of JRPG hairstyle fashion going on in the middle ages. It wasn't THAT long ago, much of it is still very well documented. But much of medieval/middle age reality just doesn't find its way into film or video games.

@eoten: I've already addressed that in my reply to ezekiel43 above...

Who the hell cares about western RPGs? We're talking about Japanese games. Their hairstyles look too modern. Their clothes in some ways too. Would love to see some medieval pictures of Beatles hair and K-pop boys, by the way. I'm sure this guy would have been called a xxxxxxxxxxxxx even by people in the middle ages.

The topic of FF16 hairstyles reminded me of a trivia. Naoki Yoshida, the producer of FF16, is on good terms with members of the J-Pop group GLAY, and the vocalist TERU (on the far left in the photo) is a heavy user of FF14 and has appeared as a guest on the official broadcast. (Yoshida is from Hokkaido like the members of this group, and some of them are from the same high school.) And I noticed that the main character of FF16 has a similar hairstyle to TERU!

Red Dead Redemption 2 came out 8 years after the first game. It outsold the RDR1 in 2 weeks, and its total sales will likely triple the first game when its legs fall off.The next GTA game will likely come out 10 years after the last one. Do you believe when GTAVI is announced, people.......wont remember it because its been 10 years? Do you think it wont shatter the opening week sales record, that is currently STILL held by the previous game?

These franchises have enormous cultural capital, man. And I'm including both Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and even Halo in here (because I see people using this arguement about Halo frequently, as well). These franchises have all hit critical mass in the popular culture zeitgeist as far as clout is concerned. Same with Call of Duty. I dont buy the arguement that the general public will magically forget about these franchises after an arbitrary amount of time passes. And my post simply highlights the hypocrisy of people using this arguement to discredit franchises like Elder Scrolls and Fallout (both of their last mainline installments have likely outsold the combined sales of all previous games in their respective franchises) but then go on to hype Final Fantasy 16.

Also, reguarding Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 76, and Wolfenstein: Youngblood........none of those games are full scale productions, and I believe you know that. Those games are all outsourced to secondary teams, and all are built off of the skeletons of the previous games, reusing engine builds and assets. ESO recycles Skyrim's engine and assets. F76 recycles F4's engine and assets. W:YB reuses Wolfenstein 2's engine build and assets. Its like implying that Batman: Arkham Origins (which was an outsourced spinoff that just recycled Arkham City assets) was indicative of what Batman: Arkham Knight was going to be like. Or similarly, Spiderman: Myles Morales.

The team that made Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4, is hard at work making Starfield and ES6. And if Fallout 4 gives you pause, you're in luck. Whatever Fallout game you think the last good one was, whether Fallout: New Vegas, or the top down ones from the 90s, Microsoft also owns the 2 developers who made those games so noone can hide behind "shadow of their former selves" nonsense. Obsidian and InXile are both led by the original creators of the franchise (and Obsidian made New Vegas, the best modern one) and one of them will likely be the ones making the next game. So that franchise is absolutely in good hands, no matter how anyone wants to spin it.

ES6 easily.

Elder Scrolls 6, Final Fantasy just not a genre I can get into.

Ye I have no doubt 16 will blow 15 out of the water in many areas, combat hopefully being one of them, As a XIV player I have a lot of faith in 16's director.

I meant the bowl cut, not the bucket head. The bowl cut was a common hairstyle in medieval times, and in modern times the bowl cut has been used by '60s British rock bands like The Beatles and now modern K-pop boybands like BTS.

If you look up "medieval male hairstyles" on Google, you'll find all kinds of hairstyles, some that look quite modern and some that look weirder than JRPG hairstyles.

Ultimately, the hairstyle thing is a pointless nitpick. Medieval people had all kinds of hairstyles. And it's not like RPGs are based on the actual Middle Ages anyway, but they're set in an alternate fantasy world.

Yeah, you weren't considered "middle aged" in your 30s either. People have lived, regularly, until their 70s easily as far back as ancient Greece unless they died from injury or disease, which was certainly much more common. So no, JRPGs are not a more accurate reflection because of this, or any reason I've seen mentioned. They're fantasy games through and through. Characters tend to skew younger because the developers are trying to target a younger audience, not realizing the audience they used to have are in their 30s now, and the audience they're trying to target largely couldn't care less.

The K-pop and hentai fusion of kids and teenagers that is a JRPG today is what turned me off the genre completely, and NONE of it today can ever come close to holding the jock strap of something like FFVI, or Chrono Trigger. That is why JRPGs largely phased out in the early 2000s as we went from stuff like FFX, to games like Morrowind, Fable, and Knights of the Old Republic (all OG Xbox titles).

TES........im no weeb

Average life expectancy:

• Ancient Greece - 25-28 years
• Late Medieval England - 30 years

The numbers speak for themselves. The large bulk of the medieval population were young people. Very much like what you see in JRPGs, and unlike what you see in WRPGs. It was the Industrial Revolution that led a significant increase in average life expectancy.

Average age of gamers:

• Japan - 27 years
• USA - 37 years

A big reason why Japanese games tend to have younger characters is simply because Japanese gamers are younger on average. Despite Japan as a whole having the highest life expectancy in the world (85 years). Japan's tough "salaryman" culture prevents older Japanese from having the time for video games, so the large bulk of domestic Japanese gamers skew younger. And what are many of those younger Japanese gamers into? You guessed it, anime, J-pop and K-pop. Which would explain why that aesthetic is so common in Japanese games.

Now eliminate childhood deaths from those figures. Those who made it to adulthood easily lived to their 60s and 70s.

You just proved my point. The vast bulk of the medieval population were youths who didn't even survive to adulthood. The minority who did make it to adulthood could then expect to live up to between their early '40s (in ancient Greece) and early '60s (in late medieval England). Either way, the general medieval population was significantly younger than modern post-industrial societies.

I like both for entirely different reasons... I'm more excited about FF16 because i'v seen at least a little bit of it, and the FFXIV team is working on it, which means the story will be at least way better than 15 and 13, which were the result of creative discrepancies between several directors and the company interests. If the latest FFXIV expansions and the FF7 remake are any indiciation of the current state of Square-Enix, then i have hope for FF16

As for TESVI... i have not seen ANYTHING besides a teaser they shown almost forcefuly just to appease the fans at E3, Bethesda most current game was Fallout 76, and that game was on a trash level WAAAAYYYYYY below the worst Final Fantasy, also, if Bethesda release schelude is anything to go by, we wont be seeing TES6 until ps6 and the next-next Xbox. (and no, i'm sadly not exaggerating), Fallout 4 was released 5 years ago, the next game was Starfield, and that hasn't been release yet... and we know that TESVI is still in pre-productions stages, let... that... sink in.... i don't count fallout 76 as a main elease of course, because that was probaly made by unpaid interns and the cleaning crew of the studio, lol

better topic would be Starfield vs FF16, at least Starfield will release in the forseeable future,

quick one of you cows run over to ign and grab one of those polls about ps5 winning in sales HaH

this and halo wiping the floor with uncharted got cows licking their wounds like a dog licks it’s arse.

Elder Scrolls. FF13 and FF15 were so disappointing that I have lost nearly all hope for the FF franchise. Unless Square can get back to the challenging, deep, old school combat system found in titles such as FF5, which I highly doubt.

From what I understand FFXVI isn't that far from release. So the poll should be FFXVI vs. Starfield. ESVI will probably only enter proper production after all support to Starfield ends and that will probably happen in 2022, so ESVI is likely to be a 2025 title.

FF isn't even in the same ballpark as elder scroll.

Even on cowspot the better game prevails.

Hard to tell. I love the elder scroll, but less than Final Fantasy. Though I have enjoy the elder scroll 5 more than FF 13 and 15. FF12 was the last great final fantasy for me, although FF13-2 and lightning returns were ok.

Not surprising, given your name is 'thundaga' lol.

I like both but the recent final fantasy games have been too flawed. XV was a step up from XIII but it was still far too limited to be a real RPG. Skyrim gave you freedom. Sure it wasn't the freedom we used to get, but you could still do a lot the way you wanted at your own pace. Looking forward to Elder Scrolls as I have done since Daggerfall.

31% of people have horrible taste in games... that's about all I know.

FF16 because at very least will not be riddeled with game breaking bugs at every corner. So my vote goes there.

Quite frankly for some very strange reason people have always been extremely forgiving with Bethesda games. And not only because of their insane amount of bugs, but also because their combat systems have always been extremely clunky and shallow since at very least oblivion.

Imo, it's in an uncanny valley. If they wanna do that salon hair maybe make it look more stylized.. that or make it gritty normal-ish. lmao yeah. asian pop singer hair.

I'll still play it though.

@uninspiredcup: Highly unlikely. Bethesda doesn’t have to worry about money now. That was one of the biggest reason why they were acquired.