The FALLOUT 3 Reality Thread

This stink is being kicked up because of how Bethesda has handled the situation. They didn't say, "Oh, we would like to make a new type of Fallout". They didn't say, "We're making a spinoff like Brotherhood of Steel". Bethesda instigated this message that they were making a faithful sequal, and that their work was cannon. Alot of the material they've used for the game is retconned and isn't representative of what a true Fallout sequal would be. Thats where the problem lies. It isn't in them using the Fallout name. It is in them using the Fallout cannonical series.Vandalvideo

I don't see where they said that they were making a game that was absolutely true to cannon.

Or is that an expectation you had simply because the game carried the Fallout moniker?

What should a "true Fallout sequel" be? What is Fallout canon? Does it have to do with story or game mechanics? The answers to those questions are personal. We can't expect everyone to agree. However, it's become painfully clear that the "haters" in this thread won't be satisfied until they get the exact Fallout game they're expecting.

I'm going in with no expectations other than it somehow fits in with the Fallout setting. Other than that, it want it to be good. How Bethesda accomplishes that is totally up to them. I'm going to presume to tell them how to create a game.

I don't see where they said that they were making a game that was absolutely true to cannon.VoodooHak

What should a "true Fallout sequel" be? What is Fallout canon? Does it have to do with story or game mechanics? The answers to those questions are personal. We can't expect everyone to agree. However, it's become painfully clear that the "haters" in this thread won't be satisfied until they get the exact Fallout game they're expecting.

I'm going in with no expectations other than it somehow fits in with the Fallout setting. Other than that, it want it to be good. How Bethesda accomplishes that is totally up to them. I'm going to presume to tell them how to create a game.

That all depends on what you mean by "aesthetics." Speaking for myself throught the thread, I've made a point of using the term "perspective" to best express how the previous Fallout's best captured the atmospheres they aimed for. That can be attributed to style.

However, you're totally wrong in regards to graphical signifigance. Notice how Van Buren's engine was much different from the previous games' and yet it was still trying to maintain the same atmosphere.

Trying to be a shock jock and using the word "heresy" is inaccurate.

There's a difference between "change" and "optimize." How exactly is morphing the entire genre that the franchise belongs to qualify as reasonable?

Pariah_001

Now you're just splitting hairs. The rabid Diablo fans are bagging on Diablo 3 for the exact same reason you pointed out above. Look and feel.

The term heresy was used in reference to the near-religious zealousness that's going into many of the comments in this thread. I think it was used appropriately. Now that I read back, it's a little disturbing to see how appropriate the word was.

People here seem very intolerant of creative license for a nostalgic series. Whether you use the term "change" or "optimize" or "morph", who are YOU to say what genre a franchise belongs in?

As long as it's a good game, I really don't care.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]I don't see where they said that they were making a game that was absolutely true to cannon.Vandalvideo

What should a "true Fallout sequel" be? What is Fallout canon? Does it have to do with story or game mechanics? The answers to those questions are personal. We can't expect everyone to agree. However, it's become painfully clear that the "haters" in this thread won't be satisfied until they get the exact Fallout game they're expecting.

I'm going in with no expectations other than it somehow fits in with the Fallout setting. Other than that, it want it to be good. How Bethesda accomplishes that is totally up to them. I'm going to presume to tell them how to create a game.

I find it absolutely incredible that so much negative energy is being hurled toward a game that you admit will probably be great.

Instead of throwing temper tantrums, couldn't you just make piece with the idea that it may not be exactly how you want it....and still enjoy the game for what it is?

I find it absolutely incredible that so much negative energy is being hurled toward a game that you admit will probably be great.VoodooHak

Instead of throwing temper tantrums, couldn't you just make piece with the idea that it may not be exactly how you want it....and still enjoy the game for what it is?

I can understand the reaction of some Fallout fans about this game.

After all, it was the same reaction of some RE fans about RE4. And the same reaction of some Metroid fans about Metroid Prime.

It was my reaction about TLoZ Phantom Hourglass.

But there's one thing that must be considered: a game will be a good game despite everything but its quality.

Of course, some RE fans hated RE4, but some gave the game a chance, and actually enjoyed it, despite the fact that "it was a good game, but not a Resident Evil game".

Yup, they enjoyed it, despite it was not exactly what they had waited for.

Game series change with the time, that's innevitable. Some "purists" may dislike those changes (just like those Final Fantasy purists that will never accept that FFVII is considered the best in the series), call it a "bastardization", hate it forever and and the developer with it, and they have the right to do it.

In the case of Fallout 3 will happen exactly the same. Some my hate it (and the "evil" Bethesda), some others will accept those changes, some others will try the franchise for the first time and may adore/dislike it.

Some fans may play it (and enjoy it!) even if it will be "a good game, but not a Fallout game".

And yet, buying Fallout 3 is an act of evil - praising Fallout 3, saying "as long as it's fun" or "we'll wait and see" is evil. It's evil because, rather than choosing to side with good, choosing to set the bar high and demand integrity, we allow Bethesda to put another game in the Vault Dweller's clothing. Before hyping that game, before praising that - ask yourself - would I want my favorite game to be remade by a studio that I hate a decade from now? Do I support the bastardization of classic games?

subrosian

And of course, things can be taken a little too seriously.

It's annoying to constantly be told you can't complain, that you have to sit down and just take any change, without objection. If you object to something, that means you're "whining". V_Isle

Of course, everybody can complain, and dislike a game, and even hate it. Everyone has opinions.

But calling a developer "evil", or "mediocre" just for not making a game exactly as you expected is kinda... whining.

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It's annoying to constantly be told you can't complain, that you have to sit down and just take any change, without objection. If you object to something, that means you're "whining". IronBass

Of course, everybody can complain, and dislike a game, and even hate it. Everyone has opinions.

But calling a developer "evil", or "mediocre" just for not making a game exactly as you expected is kinda... whining.

Wow, I couldn't believe the original post wasn't sarcasm until I read further. I mean, honestly, hahahahahaha.

This thread redefines melodrama and self-importance.

Most ridiculous forum ever.

"Evil." Hahaha.

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damn.

that just helped me from a 0% interest on this game, to a negative.

damn good post dude.

most intelligent post award?

heres a cookie.!:D

wow if the tc is capable to create a thread that big maybe he should try to create is own game :roll:legol1

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I can relate with the Fallout fans. Having a bunch of smug newcomers or in-denial fanboys telling you to "stop whining" and that "things have to change, blah blah blah". I can relate because I liked the first two Banjo games, and the new one looks terrible, and I'm also a fan of the first two KOTORs, and I utterly hate the idea of an MMO.

It's annoying to constantly be told you can't complain, that you have to sit down and just take any change, without objection. If you object to something, that means you're "whining". Because we all know there's no such thing as constructive criticism, yeah? Even if you give good reasons for why you think a sequel doesn't look good, why it annoys you as a fan of a franchise, they just ignore that and tell you to "accept change or leave". It's annoying. You have to just take it like a pansy without trying to fight back or complain. V_Isle

It's simply lame what they do. For example, take Shadowrun. That title on the 360 might have been "fun" for some people, but it also means that enthusiasts of the Shadowun pen-and-paper RPG, and Shadowrun video games, are being denied the sequels they would like to see.

Fallout 3 won't be a bad game, just one that is a mixed blessing. Fallout fans get to hear "wow, Fallout, great game!" again, but not for the Fallout experience they would prefer. I don't get the "shut up" attitude either, but then Bethesda unfortunately has some serious fans who think whatever Bethesda does is gold, who care little for what it means for other gamers.

I don't get the "shut up" attitude

subrosian

Just like I don't get the serious hissy fits lots of Fallout fanatics are having in this thread.

I personally love the Fallout games, Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel notwithstanding. I even played alot of p-n-p Shadowrun. I think i still have my 2nd ed source books and a bunch of the novels.

But I'm not going to beat my chest at the thought of a dev doing something different with a franchise I have strong nostalgic ties to. It just seems a little....... too much.

Ok. It's not canon. I get it. Now just let it go and let the rest of us enjoy the game on its own merits.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Great post, but the actual thought behind it makes me chuckle. You have a well thought out opinion, which I completely disagree with. I'm all about games going mainstream and letting the cash roll in. It's time to kill off hardcore gaming all together.BioShockOwnz

I have no idea what it's like to live wishing for all goodness in the world to be replaced with the bland, commonplace, and mediocre. Can you even call yourself "alive" if you'd trade away art, beauty, and truth for the "almighty dollar"?

They're games for crying out loud. There's pleanty of other things to complain about. How about the economy? Our foreign policy? Obama and his far left liberal views? There's more things to worry about than games. At the end of the day, a game's a game to me. If it's fun, it's fun. If it's not fun, then it's not fun. I find beauty in life, not videogames.

This thread was the most stupid thread i have ever read here. why did you bump it?

I fully support the "basterdization of c|assic games" if they turn out as fantastic as Fallout 3.

Usually I'm the first guy to bemoan digging up threads from the grave, but I actually have to applaud whomever decided to find this one. What a great post by Subrosian to set things off, and I've spent the last half hour reading innumerable great opinions mixed in with the standard (or should I say substandard) SW drivel.

Why don't we have people arguing the merits of games anymore like this? You know, instead of fighting about which piece of plastic they play the games on....

Who keeps bumping this?

but on the topic of fallout 3. i loved the originals and 3 the only problem with 3 is that it guides you all the way through the main quest but in the originals youre dumped in the wasteland and have to figure out your own way to win.

Who keeps bumping this?

but on the topic of fallout 3. i loved the originals and 3 the only problem with 3 is that it guides you all the way through the main quest but in the originals youre dumped in the wasteland and have to figure out your own way to win.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="WWIAB"]Fallout 3 was one of 2008's best games Fallout 3 GOTY is one of the best value games out in 2009Danm_999

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Let's let this die though - I have a new thread coming in a few days with regard to the more "modern" scandals, I've just been out talking to some people in the industry and getting some pictures and such before I make a comment. I hate to say something about a game as big as MW2 without being on-the-money with my accusations.

Good post my friend. I am a Fallout virgin and F3 was my first game, so I do not have any integrity to contribute to this act of evil you speak of.

If it makes you feel better, Fallout 3 wasn't as great as I thought it would be :D

I think the act of making such a game under a new dev team automatically indicates that the game will not be what it has been built up to be by it's past games. With that said, some games sadly need to move on. I don't know the history behind it, but I would wonder why you would not shift your anger to the original developers who sold Fallout and pretty much gave the ability to make Bethesda do whatever they pleased with it.

This thread is epic, hopefully it doesn't get locked.

Why does this thread keep getting bumped? its the largest fail thread in SW history

Fallout 3 was a terrible game. It was just inferior to Oblivion in almost every way and lacked the great atmosphere and soundtrack it had

if u think some one is actually going to read all this your insane..Nolan16

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hi everyone , first i didnt read everything ( much too long ) but i get the point the guy hate fallout3 . i did not play the first 2 fallout game ,for me fallout 3 was fresh and new and i love this game so much its insane and all my friends are fallout 3 fanboy to.maybe you are not happy with fallout 3 because you want a other kind of game but fallout 3 is a great game by itself . nostalgia is a bad thing when it keep you unopen to new idea.legol1

In a way, I get what you're saying. They took the Fallout style of gameplay and turned it into FPS/3rd PS and whatever. But, at the same time, this whole argument is obsolete, because Interplay had the series headed in that direction anyway with Van Buren. All they've done is update the old style of game, and to me, that's what FO 1&2 are. Old. Turn based combat of little pixelated figures. The games are fun, and I still play them to this day, but times are changing. And honestly, Bethesda did an exceptional job with the series imo. They stuck to the raw, gory, grittiness that shaped the original Fallouts and just updated the gameplay. They stayed with the 1950s theme, kept a lot of the original creatures and elements, and created a great story mode that was accompanied by various other side quests that were highly entertaining and not the least bit shallow. So in conclusion, the series was going to this format anyway, so instead of your analogy of Pokemon being taken by Digimon, Splinter Cell and MGS, etc, it's more like MGS is working on an FPS but can't afford to complete it so Infinity Ward takes over and creates a great game with all the MGS elements and a more updated gameplay format.Battletoads9000