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Really? I LOVED AC3, its my GOTY and IMO best AC game yet. The scenery was beautiful, I liked the characters, the music was awesome, the gameplay was fun. The only problem I had was the bugs really. And some of the story missions could have been done better.I don't think AC3 should be considered. It wasn't that great. I agree with the other 3. They are fantastic. I'd say put Max Payne 3 there instead of AC3, though. Max Payne is a lot of fun to play and it just has some awesome writing that made the story for me.
Bleh, all shooters :( I wish there was more variety this year.
AmayaPapaya
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Games with subpar gameplay SHOULD be omitted. TWD is subpar in its gameplay compared to other adventure games...hell, even against Heavy Rain, its a step back.texasgoldrush
Who defines "subpar"? Yourself?
I'm not exactly sure that TWD is competing with Heavy Rain. Differing budgets/ideas.
the gameplay of choice and consquence. Nevermind TWD lack of good puzzles.You didn't answer my question.
Choice and consequence is a popular idea, but Heavy Rain and TWD seem to go about it in entirely different manners. I've yet to finish TWD (up to Ep4), but I found Heavy Rain's decision making to be far more in-depth, and to have a much larger impact on the story.
Its not a complete game. Its buggy and half assed. No more buggy than most other open world games really... the entire game desmond has a hump growing out of his back that clips through his backpack :| theres no excuse for laziness like that.[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] It is a complete game, although weak in some areas. And it has been winning GOTY awards as well.Shinobishyguy
the gameplay of choice and consquence. Nevermind TWD lack of good puzzles.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Who defines "subpar"? Yourself?
I'm not exactly sure that TWD is competing with Heavy Rain. Differing budgets/ideas.
lundy86_4
You didn't answer my question.
Choice and consequence is a popular idea, but Heavy Rain and TWD seem to go about it in entirely different manners.
And actually they don't....in Heavy Rain your choices and outcomes matter and alter the ending, in TWD they don't. They are behind. They lag behind others in the genre when it comes to other adventure gameplay elements such as puzzles as well. basically TWD is a visual novel and visual novels have bo business winning GOTY. An example of a COMPLETE adventure game would be Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis or Grim Fandango. Games that don't skimp on the gameplay.The only game I think that deserves to be there that isn't is borderlands 2.
I'll be happy if far cry 3 wins.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Then why does it not have many reader awards or votes this year? It lost here pretty quickly and more shooter fans are picking Far Cry 3.texasgoldrushBecause most gamers don't vote on gaming websites. Stop acting stupid. and yet you are acting stupid by mentioning argumentum ad populum is a waste of time and you are here....and any awards is AAP.
and yet you are acting stupid by mentioning argumentum ad populum is a waste of time and you are here....and any awards is AAP.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Because most gamers don't vote on gaming websites. Stop acting stupid.DarkLink77
However, Borderlands 2 has been doing very well in "Reader" or "Gamer" choice awards. I am not suprised. I expected it to win here, but it may not be the case. I also expected ME3 to lose earlier due to the stupid hatred the game has, but here it is...probaly going to beat ACIII. It may even beat Far Cry 3. ME3 did win Gamesradar Reader's choice and GR editors expressed shock.The only game I think that deserves to be there that isn't is borderlands 2.
I'll be happy if far cry 3 wins.
MakeMeaSammitch
What you do you think you mean, exactly, when you say "complete experience"? And how do you define value? The time it takes to beat a game? The raw amount of content? Dragon Age is stuffed with content, but the vast majority of it is filler combat not worth one battle experienced, much less a thousand or so.
The notion that because a game is shorter than another it doesn't have as much value is deluded, frankly. Hotline Miami is extremely short in comparison with any of the Final Four, but I would argue that its quality and originality makes it superior to any of them.
What good is a 60 hour game if, for the most part, you do the same sh*t over and over again? Or, if a game is better for the four hours it lasts than that 60 hour game ever is in all its grand obesity, which game is superior? Obviously the better game; if it truly is good, truly better than the others, then you'll want to play it again and again, or, perhaps, it will be so good that you will be satisfied immensely by a short and excellent time spent with it.
I felt that Braid was a great game, and provided much more "bang for my buck" than any Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, or Borderlands title ever did. I have not played Journey or The Walking Dead, but that's beside the point; your claims are inherently flawed.
[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]However, Borderlands 2 has been doing very well in "Reader" or "Gamer" choice awards. I am not suprised. I expected it to win here, but it may not be the case. I also expected ME3 to lose earlier due to the stupid hatred the game has, but here it is...probaly going to beat ACIII. It may even beat Far Cry 3. ME3 did win Gamesradar Reader's choice and GR editors expressed shock. Well, GS users did vote Gordon Freeman as the best hero of all time , so I'll take their opinion with a grain of salt.The only game I think that deserves to be there that isn't is borderlands 2.
I'll be happy if far cry 3 wins.
texasgoldrush
This isn't a discredit to ME3(even if I did think it was 2/3rd's of suckage), but using Reader's Choice as ownage is...unusual.
Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year. Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack and voice acting Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty. TWD is all about story and VA, everything else is below par. Journey is all art and sound...nothing else.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Mass Effect 3 is easily the most complete game this year. Vaasman
And yet games been doing this for years....want more story and a more clarified story...buy the expansion. And the final ending of ME3 is far from broken and for good measure, the AC3 ending fits the themes of that game as well.Don't you need to buy all the extra DLC for Mass Effect for the story to make a tiny bit more sense (although the story is still broken)?
Peredith
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year. Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty. Texas _____ doesn't matter unless it supports my argument :roll:[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Mass Effect 3 is easily the most complete game this year. texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet you are acting stupid by mentioning argumentum ad populum is a waste of time and you are here....and any awards is AAP.texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="Peredith"]And yet games been doing this for years....want more story and a more clarified story...buy the expansion. And the final ending of ME3 is far from broken and for good measure, the AC3 ending fits the themes of that game as well. Most games don't need DLC to make the story good. And seriously, is it impossible for you to make a post without "and yet" in there somewhere? :?Don't you need to buy all the extra DLC for Mass Effect for the story to make a tiny bit more sense (although the story is still broken)?
texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]and yet, its a vote, its a popularity contest between 3 to 30 people...its AAP. It doesn't matter if its 30 or 100,000...its a popularity contest in a set of people. Critics voting on the game they believe to be best =/= fans voting for their favorite game, regardless of quality. This. Because there are blind fanboys like goldrush that would vote for Mass effect regardless of the other options.
DarkLink77
Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty. Texas _____ doesn't matter unless it supports my argument :roll: wrong, read the thread again[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year.
Jonwh18
Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Mass Effect 3 is easily the most complete game this year. Vaasman
I agree. I don't see how ME3 is the most complete game this year, at all. It has a fairly long single player campaign and horder mode, however, a lot of games have a sizable single player and co-op experience. Far Cry 3 has all of that plus competitive multiplayer and a map maker. Not to mention it has more than one ending unlike Mass Effect 3 :P
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]And yet games been doing this for years....want more story and a more clarified story...buy the expansion. And the final ending of ME3 is far from broken and for good measure, the AC3 ending fits the themes of that game as well. Most games don't need DLC to make the story good. And seriously, is it impossible for you to make a post without "and yet" in there somewhere? :? Once again....the game has a FREE DLC to fix the biggest issues. Its basically a patch because the EC also has bug fixes.Don't you need to buy all the extra DLC for Mass Effect for the story to make a tiny bit more sense (although the story is still broken)?
DarkLink77
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]and yet, its a vote, its a popularity contest between 3 to 30 people...its AAP. It doesn't matter if its 30 or 100,000...its a popularity contest in a set of people. Critics voting on the game they believe to be best =/= fans voting for their favorite game, regardless of quality. Nope, its still opinion...its the one they liked the best...same thing with a fan that votes on a game site.DarkLink77
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Texas _____ doesn't matter unless it supports my argument :roll: wrong, read the thread again why would I want to read through an entire thread of you jacking it to mass effect3 and getting pissed that others don't blindly ignore its obvious flaws like you do?[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty.texasgoldrush
Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year.[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Mass Effect 3 is easily the most complete game this year. AmayaPapaya
I agree. I don't see how ME3 is the most complete game this year, at all. It has a fairly long single player campaign and horder mode, however, a lot of games have a sizable single player and co-op experience. Far Cry 3 has all of that plus competitive multiplayer and a map maker. Not to mention it has more than one ending unlike Mass Effect 3 :P
Once again its not about content...its about how you do all the facets well....art, sound, gameplay, story, etc. Content is only an issue if there is too little to justify its price....one of the things I criticize ME3's Omega DLC for. This is what I am bashing TWD for...its lackluster gameplay. Not the quantity of its content.wrong, read the thread again why would I want to read through an entire thread of you jacking it to mass effect3 and getting pissed that others don't blindly ignore its obvious flaws like you do? and yet people like you and bashers of the game ignore its successes.....and at first, yes there were flaws in ME3.....the underdeveloped ending, the prevention of getting the best ending without multiplayer, and the massive bug in engineering which can shut of character progression of the crew there......all fixed by the Extended Cut, with the only major flaw remaining being the horrible start new players without imports face. You ignore the obvious fixes to the flaws.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Texas _____ doesn't matter unless it supports my argument :roll:
Jonwh18
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