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your point is? just having a laugh at the terrible animations. yet another flaw in this overall medicore game. and yet Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption, and Skyrim all have animation problems...and still won GOTY. artistic graphics >>>>> techinical graphics[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"]
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Jonwh18
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Its the same...deal with it. They can become fans as well of a series and have biases. You think game journalists don't have biases? You think that they don't latch on to the hype as fans do? Get real.texasgoldrushI think a majority of them have the ability to say "This game was not my favorite, but it is the best game this year," which is something most gamers can't do. And the key word that defeats your argument is "I think". and you know what defeats that arguement? gaming critics think
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]just having a laugh at the terrible animations. yet another flaw in this overall medicore game. and yet Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption, and Skyrim all have animation problems...and still won GOTY. but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] your point is?texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year.
texasgoldrush
I agree. I don't see how ME3 is the most complete game this year, at all. It has a fairly long single player campaign and horder mode, however, a lot of games have a sizable single player and co-op experience. Far Cry 3 has all of that plus competitive multiplayer and a map maker. Not to mention it has more than one ending unlike Mass Effect 3 :P
Once again its not about content...its about how you do all the facets well....art, sound, gameplay, story, etc. Content is only an issue if there is too little to justify its price....one of the things I criticize ME3's Omega DLC for. This is what I am bashing TWD for...its lackluster gameplay. Not the quantity of its content.So? Far Cry has everything Mass Effect 3 has as well. Not to mention, say, something like Borderlands 2. Great art, story, sound, gameplay etc...I don't see how Mass Effect is more complete at all. You could say Mass Effect has a better story and more story-based choices but both FC3 and B2 have much better gameplay and traits Mass Effect doesn't have either.
and yet Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption, and Skyrim all have animation problems...and still won GOTY. but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3 Don't you get it, Jon? Mass Effect 3 only has to be a complete game, one that is good in every category, until it's not good in that category. Then it's okay, because other popular games have had similar issues so it doesn't matter. texasgoldrush logic at its finest.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] just having a laugh at the terrible animations. yet another flaw in this overall medicore game.
Jonwh18
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3 Don't you get it, Jon? Mass Effect 3 only has to be a complete game, one that is good in every category, until it's not good in that category. Then it's okay, because other popular games have had similar issues so it doesn't matter. texasgoldrush logic at its finest. Complete games doesn't mean flawless....notice I called AC3 a complete game DESPITE its flaws. AC3 still brought a mostly good story, great art design, great soundtrack, etc. And ME3 even areas that its flawed in, is good enough.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption, and Skyrim all have animation problems...and still won GOTY.DarkLink77
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3 Don't you get it, Jon? Mass Effect 3 only has to be a complete game, one that is good in every category, until it's not good in that category. Then it's okay, because other popular games have had similar issues so it doesn't matter. texasgoldrush logic at its finest. You're right I fed the troll. Done with this thread.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and yet Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption, and Skyrim all have animation problems...and still won GOTY.DarkLink77
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3texasgoldrushDon't you get it, Jon? Mass Effect 3 only has to be a complete game, one that is good in every category, until it's not good in that category. Then it's okay, because other popular games have had similar issues so it doesn't matter. texasgoldrush logic at its finest. Complete games doesn't mean flawless....notice I called AC3 a complete game DESPITE its flaws. AC3 still brought a mostly good story, great art design, great soundtrack, etc. And ME3 even areas that its flawed in, is good enough. A game that requires DLC to fix its atrocious story is not complete in any way, shape, or form.
Once again its not about content...its about how you do all the facets well....art, sound, gameplay, story, etc. Content is only an issue if there is too little to justify its price....one of the things I criticize ME3's Omega DLC for. This is what I am bashing TWD for...its lackluster gameplay. Not the quantity of its content.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]
I agree. I don't see how ME3 is the most complete game this year, at all. It has a fairly long single player campaign and horder mode, however, a lot of games have a sizable single player and co-op experience. Far Cry 3 has all of that plus competitive multiplayer and a map maker. Not to mention it has more than one ending unlike Mass Effect 3 :P
AmayaPapaya
So? Far Cry has everything Mass Effect 3 has as well. Not to mention, say, something like Borderlands 2. Great art, story, sound, gameplay etc...I don't see how Mass Effect is more complete at all. You could say Mass Effect has a better story and more story-based choices but both FC3 and B2 have much better gameplay and traits Mass Effect doesn't have either.
BL2 does have better gameplay than ME3, but FC3 does not ME3's multiplayer is also suprise, while FC3's multiplayer is lackluster.Don't you get it, Jon? Mass Effect 3 only has to be a complete game, one that is good in every category, until it's not good in that category. Then it's okay, because other popular games have had similar issues so it doesn't matter. texasgoldrush logic at its finest. You're right I fed the troll. Done with this thread. and yet you brought nothing...you ignored the obvious successes of ME3 like evry bahser here.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] but this is one of several problems. This is not the ONLY flaw in ME3
Jonwh18
[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Once again its not about content...its about how you do all the facets well....art, sound, gameplay, story, etc. Content is only an issue if there is too little to justify its price....one of the things I criticize ME3's Omega DLC for. This is what I am bashing TWD for...its lackluster gameplay. Not the quantity of its content.texasgoldrush
So? Far Cry has everything Mass Effect 3 has as well. Not to mention, say, something like Borderlands 2. Great art, story, sound, gameplay etc...I don't see how Mass Effect is more complete at all. You could say Mass Effect has a better story and more story-based choices but both FC3 and B2 have much better gameplay and traits Mass Effect doesn't have either.
BL2 does have better gameplay than ME3, but FC3 does not ME3's multiplayer is also suprise, while FC2 is lackluster.Have you played Far Cry 3? It's a lot of fun. It's definitely one of those games that's just really fun to play.I'm not one of those people who constantly says Mass Effect doesn't have great gameplay, because I don't think that, but to say it's funner or better than Far Cry 3 is just laughable (at least in the gameplay department).
Far Cry 3 did have a lackluster multplayer. The Co-Op was fun though and the map editor is great. You speak as if Mass Effect had an amazing Co-Op. It's fun and was surprisingly good...that's it though. It's nothing better than Far Cry 3's, that's for sure.
BL2 does have better gameplay than ME3, but FC3 does not ME3's multiplayer is also suprise, while FC2 is lackluster.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]
So? Far Cry has everything Mass Effect 3 has as well. Not to mention, say, something like Borderlands 2. Great art, story, sound, gameplay etc...I don't see how Mass Effect is more complete at all. You could say Mass Effect has a better story and more story-based choices but both FC3 and B2 have much better gameplay and traits Mass Effect doesn't have either.
AmayaPapaya
Have you played Far Cry 3? It's a lot of fun. It's definitely one of those games that's just really fun to play.I'm not one of those people who constantly says Mass Effect doesn't have great gameplay, because I don't think that, but to say it's funner or better than Far Cry 3 is just laughable (at least in the gameplay department).
Far Cry 3 did have a lackluster multplayer. The Co-Op was fun though and the map editor is great. You speak as if Mass Effect had an amazing Co-Op. It's fun and was surprisingly good...that's it though. It's nothing better than Far Cry 3's, that's for sure.
However, the ME3 multiplayer is still supported, that means its a success. They are continously adding on to it. In FC3's case, that may not be the case, as everyone may just go back to the COD or the BFs. Far Cry 3's single player is fun, and its definitely better than FC2. But once again, being the most complete doesn't mean being best at every area. The competiton may be better at certain things, but may not be as complete. Notice I did concede that while I did call ME3 the most complete, BL2 I said had the best gameplay...in my OP. Although its story is part of ME3's gameplay. But BL2 and FC3 doesn't have the story ME3 has, or the soundtrack. Hence here is where I call ME3 more complete. To bring another game into play...XCOM has great gameplay, I consider no. 2 only to BL2, but its not complete because of the art design and sound issues break the immersion of the game.[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] BL2 does have better gameplay than ME3, but FC3 does not ME3's multiplayer is also suprise, while FC2 is lackluster.texasgoldrush
Have you played Far Cry 3? It's a lot of fun. It's definitely one of those games that's just really fun to play.I'm not one of those people who constantly says Mass Effect doesn't have great gameplay, because I don't think that, but to say it's funner or better than Far Cry 3 is just laughable (at least in the gameplay department).
Far Cry 3 did have a lackluster multplayer. The Co-Op was fun though and the map editor is great. You speak as if Mass Effect had an amazing Co-Op. It's fun and was surprisingly good...that's it though. It's nothing better than Far Cry 3's, that's for sure.
However, the ME3 multiplayer is still supported, that means its a success. They are continously adding on to it. In FC3's case, that may not be the case, as everyone may just go back to the COD or the BFs. Far Cry 3's single player is fun, and its definitely better than FC2. But once again, being the most complete doesn't mean being best at every area. The competiton may be better at certain things, but may not be as complete. Notice I did concede that while I did call ME3 the most complete, BL2 I said had the best gameplay...in my OP. Although its story is part of ME3's gameplay. But BL2 and FC3 doesn't have the story ME3 has, or the soundtrack. Hence here is where I call ME3 more complete. To bring another game into play...XCOM has great gameplay, I consider no. 2 only to BL2, but its not complete because of the art design and sound issues break the immersion of the game.I'm just going to focus on Far Cry 3 right now. While it doesn't have the contextual story that Mass Effect has, Far Cry 3 has its own things that make it a great game that Mass Effect 3 doesn't have. The openworld in Far Cry makes it a really complete game and Mass Effect has nothing compared to it. The Graphics in Far Cry 3 are much better on a technical level and the art design is fantastic too (the well crafted forest, mayan-like ruins, fantastic scenary etc...). Far Cry 3 also has some great music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAL4uwXgTE
Also, Far Cry 3 doesn't have quite as good of a story, and the characters are great as well. Not as deep or fleshed out as ME3 I suppose, but that still doesn't stop them from being really enjoyable, and Vass, in particular, is really great, if underused. The hunting mechanic is really fun and you can craft items as well as powerups from the world around you. The environment is a treat to explore and the gunplay in far cry is highly customizable (more so than ME3) and allows for some really different options, all really fun. All of the gameplay option matter more than ever as well because of the sandbox nature of Far Cry too. Unlike Mass Effect 3 where you can put scopes and what not on your weapons, it doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in Far Cry because you'll encounter many more situations where the unique aspect of a scope, or, say, silencer, really come in handy, to the point where your whole strategy revolves around it.
Basically, Yes Mass Effect has stuff that make it good, but so does Far Cry. Saying an element that Mass Effect 3 has that Far Cry 3 doesn't while ignoring everything Far Cry does have that Mass Effect 3 doesn't won't pass.
Also, Far Cry has driving, swimming, and platforming elements. Mass Effect does not ;)
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year. Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack and voice acting Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty. TWD is all about story and VA, everything else is below par. Journey is all art and sound...nothing else.Personally I would greatly prefer the goty is a game that does at least one thing truly excellently, instead of just being a well rounded game and excelling at nothing. I mean look at something like Demon Souls, that didn't win because of it's voice acting or story, it won because it presents an awesome and refined action rpg experience. Being "good to great" shouldn't make you a game of the year even if it's in most of the categories.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Mass Effect 3 is easily the most complete game this year. texasgoldrush
Not that I really think it was good to great in every category anyway.
Also can you stop saying "wrong" at the beginning of every post like a conceited jackass?
However, the ME3 multiplayer is still supported, that means its a success. They are continously adding on to it. In FC3's case, that may not be the case, as everyone may just go back to the COD or the BFs. Far Cry 3's single player is fun, and its definitely better than FC2. But once again, being the most complete doesn't mean being best at every area. The competiton may be better at certain things, but may not be as complete. Notice I did concede that while I did call ME3 the most complete, BL2 I said had the best gameplay...in my OP. Although its story is part of ME3's gameplay. But BL2 and FC3 doesn't have the story ME3 has, or the soundtrack. Hence here is where I call ME3 more complete. To bring another game into play...XCOM has great gameplay, I consider no. 2 only to BL2, but its not complete because of the art design and sound issues break the immersion of the game.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]
Have you played Far Cry 3? It's a lot of fun. It's definitely one of those games that's just really fun to play.I'm not one of those people who constantly says Mass Effect doesn't have great gameplay, because I don't think that, but to say it's funner or better than Far Cry 3 is just laughable (at least in the gameplay department).
Far Cry 3 did have a lackluster multplayer. The Co-Op was fun though and the map editor is great. You speak as if Mass Effect had an amazing Co-Op. It's fun and was surprisingly good...that's it though. It's nothing better than Far Cry 3's, that's for sure.
AmayaPapaya
I'm just going to focus on Far Cry 3 right now. While it doesn't have the contextual story that Mass Effect has, Far Cry 3 has its own things that make it a great game that Mass Effect 3 doesn't have. The openworld in Far Cry makes it a really complete game and Mass Effect has nothing compared to it. The Graphics in Far Cry 3 are much better on a technical level and the art design is fantastic too (the well crafted forest, mayan-like ruins, fantastic scenary etc...). Far Cry 3 also has some great music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAL4uwXgTE
Also, Far Cry 3 doesn't have quite as good of a story, and the characters are great as well. Not as deep or fleshed out as ME3 I suppose, but that still doesn't stop them from being really enjoyable, and Vass, in particular, is really great, if underused. The hunting mechanic is really fun and you can craft items as well as powerups from the world around you. The environment is a treat to explore and the gunplay in far cry is highly customizable (more so than ME3) and allows for some really different options, all really fun. All of the gameplay option matter more than ever as well because of the sandbox nature of Far Cry too. Unlike Mass Effect 3 where you can put scopes and what not on your weapons, it doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in Far Cry because you'll encounter many more situations where the unique aspect of a scope, or, say, silencer, really come in handy, to the point where your whole strategy revolves around it.
Basically, Yes Mass Effect has stuff that make it good, but so does Far Cry. Saying an element that Mass Effect 3 has that Far Cry 3 doesn't while ignoring everything Far Cry does have that Mass Effect 3 doesn't won't pass.
Also, Far Cry has driving, swimming, and platforming elements. Mass Effect does not ;)
However, its a sandbox game, ME3 is not, its a commando shooter. Thats comparing apples to oranges, where you can only compare how good the orange is to how good the apple is to other apples and oranges. In fact, ME3's gameplay is pretty much underrated when you bring the RPG elements, the powers and the combos into play. This is what makes multiplayer so great....character variation and powers, and the weight system. This sets it apart from other TPS. Nevermind if you want to compare apples and oranges, the story is part of the gameplay in ME3, not so in FC3. Except for the end, its a pretty hands off story. As for things you can compare.... ME3's soundtrack completely blows away Far Cry 3's. FC3 definitely wins techinical graphics, but ME3 pretty much has a far better art design...and art design is more important than techincal graphics. ME3's VA is also better as well. This is not to say that FC3 isn't complete, it most definitely is, but I think ME3 is stronger in a couple areas. All four games seeked to bring the complete experience, and add Dishonored to the list. This is why I have a problem with Journey or TWD winning GOTY's.....they aren't complete, they only play off one or two aspcets of game design and let everything else suffer.Wrong Its that it brings all facets of the game design to the table. Good to great gameplay (the make or break) Good to great story Good to great art design (more important than technical graphics) Good to great soundtrack and voice acting Replay value. Its not about content unless there is too little...and Journey is guilty. TWD is all about story and VA, everything else is below par. Journey is all art and sound...nothing else.Personally I would greatly prefer the goty is a game that does at least one thing truly excellently, instead of just being a well rounded game and excelling at nothing. I mean look at something like Demon Souls, that didn't win because of it's voice acting or story, it won because it presents an awesome and refined action rpg experience. Being "good to great" shouldn't make you a game of the year even if it's in most of the categories.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Judging from the original post i assume by "most complete" you mean most content. To which I have to say that is completely bogus, as several much larger games were developed this year.
Vaasman
Not that I really think it was good to great in every category anyway.
Also can you stop saying "wrong" at the beginning of every post like a conceited jackass?
However, Demon's Souls is a FAR more complete game than Journey and TWD. And the four finalists left while well rounded, excel at certain aspects. TWD and Journey only excel in one or two areas and lets everything else suffer.[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] However, the ME3 multiplayer is still supported, that means its a success. They are continously adding on to it. In FC3's case, that may not be the case, as everyone may just go back to the COD or the BFs. Far Cry 3's single player is fun, and its definitely better than FC2. But once again, being the most complete doesn't mean being best at every area. The competiton may be better at certain things, but may not be as complete. Notice I did concede that while I did call ME3 the most complete, BL2 I said had the best gameplay...in my OP. Although its story is part of ME3's gameplay. But BL2 and FC3 doesn't have the story ME3 has, or the soundtrack. Hence here is where I call ME3 more complete. To bring another game into play...XCOM has great gameplay, I consider no. 2 only to BL2, but its not complete because of the art design and sound issues break the immersion of the game.texasgoldrush
I'm just going to focus on Far Cry 3 right now. While it doesn't have the contextual story that Mass Effect has, Far Cry 3 has its own things that make it a great game that Mass Effect 3 doesn't have. The openworld in Far Cry makes it a really complete game and Mass Effect has nothing compared to it. The Graphics in Far Cry 3 are much better on a technical level and the art design is fantastic too (the well crafted forest, mayan-like ruins, fantastic scenary etc...). Far Cry 3 also has some great music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAL4uwXgTE
Also, Far Cry 3 doesn't have quite as good of a story, and the characters are great as well. Not as deep or fleshed out as ME3 I suppose, but that still doesn't stop them from being really enjoyable, and Vass, in particular, is really great, if underused. The hunting mechanic is really fun and you can craft items as well as powerups from the world around you. The environment is a treat to explore and the gunplay in far cry is highly customizable (more so than ME3) and allows for some really different options, all really fun. All of the gameplay option matter more than ever as well because of the sandbox nature of Far Cry too. Unlike Mass Effect 3 where you can put scopes and what not on your weapons, it doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in Far Cry because you'll encounter many more situations where the unique aspect of a scope, or, say, silencer, really come in handy, to the point where your whole strategy revolves around it.
Basically, Yes Mass Effect has stuff that make it good, but so does Far Cry. Saying an element that Mass Effect 3 has that Far Cry 3 doesn't while ignoring everything Far Cry does have that Mass Effect 3 doesn't won't pass.
Also, Far Cry has driving, swimming, and platforming elements. Mass Effect does not ;)
However, its a sandbox game, ME3 is not, its a commando shooter. Thats comparing apples to oranges, where you can only compare how good the orange is to how good the apple is to other apples and oranges. In fact, ME3's gameplay is pretty much underrated when you bring the RPG elements, the powers and the combos into play. This is what makes multiplayer so great....character variation and powers, and the weight system. This sets it apart from other TPS. Nevermind if you want to compare apples and oranges, the story is part of the gameplay in ME3, not so in FC3. Except for the end, its a pretty hands off story. As for things you can compare.... ME3's soundtrack completely blows away Far Cry 3's. FC3 definitely wins techinical graphics, but ME3 pretty much has a far better art design...and art design is more important than techincal graphics. ME3's VA is also better as well. This is not to say that FC3 isn't complete, it most definitely is, but I think ME3 is stronger in a couple areas. All four games seeked to bring the complete experience, and add Dishonored to the list. This is why I have a problem with Journey or TWD winning GOTY's.....they aren't complete, they only play off one or two aspcets of game design and let everything else suffer.Well if we can't use Far Cry's open world as a way to determine its completeness because ME3 doesn't have it, we need to take out the storied choices and RPG elements in ME as well, because Far Cry doesn't have either (sure you could argue the ending as a choice, but you could also argue ME has a bunch of small open worlds to explore where you can find items etc...). So basically, following your logic, in order to determine Far Cry 3's completeness as a game, we must break down ALL the barriers separating it and ME3. So that leaves us with gameplay, art design, story, and technical graphics. Far Cry wins 2, Mass Effect 3 the other two. But, even though, as you say, art design matters more, I'm saying gameplay matters more than story and graphics (both art design and technical graphics). Far Cry 3 has better gameplay than Mass Effect 3. Therefore, Far Cry 3 is the more complete game...even though we're just talking quality now.
However, its a sandbox game, ME3 is not, its a commando shooter. Thats comparing apples to oranges, where you can only compare how good the orange is to how good the apple is to other apples and oranges. In fact, ME3's gameplay is pretty much underrated when you bring the RPG elements, the powers and the combos into play. This is what makes multiplayer so great....character variation and powers, and the weight system. This sets it apart from other TPS. Nevermind if you want to compare apples and oranges, the story is part of the gameplay in ME3, not so in FC3. Except for the end, its a pretty hands off story. As for things you can compare.... ME3's soundtrack completely blows away Far Cry 3's. FC3 definitely wins techinical graphics, but ME3 pretty much has a far better art design...and art design is more important than techincal graphics. ME3's VA is also better as well. This is not to say that FC3 isn't complete, it most definitely is, but I think ME3 is stronger in a couple areas. All four games seeked to bring the complete experience, and add Dishonored to the list. This is why I have a problem with Journey or TWD winning GOTY's.....they aren't complete, they only play off one or two aspcets of game design and let everything else suffer.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]
I'm just going to focus on Far Cry 3 right now. While it doesn't have the contextual story that Mass Effect has, Far Cry 3 has its own things that make it a great game that Mass Effect 3 doesn't have. The openworld in Far Cry makes it a really complete game and Mass Effect has nothing compared to it. The Graphics in Far Cry 3 are much better on a technical level and the art design is fantastic too (the well crafted forest, mayan-like ruins, fantastic scenary etc...). Far Cry 3 also has some great music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAL4uwXgTE
Also, Far Cry 3 doesn't have quite as good of a story, and the characters are great as well. Not as deep or fleshed out as ME3 I suppose, but that still doesn't stop them from being really enjoyable, and Vass, in particular, is really great, if underused. The hunting mechanic is really fun and you can craft items as well as powerups from the world around you. The environment is a treat to explore and the gunplay in far cry is highly customizable (more so than ME3) and allows for some really different options, all really fun. All of the gameplay option matter more than ever as well because of the sandbox nature of Far Cry too. Unlike Mass Effect 3 where you can put scopes and what not on your weapons, it doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in Far Cry because you'll encounter many more situations where the unique aspect of a scope, or, say, silencer, really come in handy, to the point where your whole strategy revolves around it.
Basically, Yes Mass Effect has stuff that make it good, but so does Far Cry. Saying an element that Mass Effect 3 has that Far Cry 3 doesn't while ignoring everything Far Cry does have that Mass Effect 3 doesn't won't pass.
Also, Far Cry has driving, swimming, and platforming elements. Mass Effect does not ;)
AmayaPapaya
Well if we can't use Far Cry's open world as a way to determine its completeness because ME3 doesn't have it, we need to take out the storied choices and RPG elements in ME as well, because Far Cry doesn't have either (sure you could argue the ending as a choice, but you could also argue ME has a bunch of small open worlds to explore where you can find items etc...). So basically, following your logic, in order to determine Far Cry 3's completeness as a game, we must break down ALL the barriers separating it and ME3. So that leaves us with gameplay, art design, story, and technical graphics. Far Cry wins 2, Mass Effect 3 the other two. But, even though, as you say, art design matters more, I'm saying gameplay matters more than story and graphics (both art design and technical graphics). Far Cry 3 has better gameplay than Mass Effect 3. Therefore, Far Cry 3 is the more complete game...even though we're just talking quality now.
But once again....apples and oranges. The gameplay between the two is so vastly different you can't comapre the two. Lets not forget soundtrack and VA which ME3 wins as well. You are now cherry picking as well as ME3 has better multiplayer gameplay than Far Cry 3. Taking gameplay out....unless you want to compare how they handle in their own genres (which is why I call TWD gameplay weak, because its weak for its genre)....FC3 wins techincal graphics and sound design....but ME3 wins story, characters, soundtrack, voice acting, art design, and also is more innovative due to the save import feature used to a potential more than ever before. This is why ME3 is the most complete game this year......excellent soundtrack, great art design, great story and characters, top notch voice acting, and a powerful save import feature, while having pretty good gameplay that has a suprising multiplayer feature.
I'm fine if ether ME 3 or Farcry 3 wins (my personal goty goes to Farcry 3), just glad it isn't gonna be Dishonored.
[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] However, its a sandbox game, ME3 is not, its a commando shooter. Thats comparing apples to oranges, where you can only compare how good the orange is to how good the apple is to other apples and oranges. In fact, ME3's gameplay is pretty much underrated when you bring the RPG elements, the powers and the combos into play. This is what makes multiplayer so great....character variation and powers, and the weight system. This sets it apart from other TPS. Nevermind if you want to compare apples and oranges, the story is part of the gameplay in ME3, not so in FC3. Except for the end, its a pretty hands off story. As for things you can compare.... ME3's soundtrack completely blows away Far Cry 3's. FC3 definitely wins techinical graphics, but ME3 pretty much has a far better art design...and art design is more important than techincal graphics. ME3's VA is also better as well. This is not to say that FC3 isn't complete, it most definitely is, but I think ME3 is stronger in a couple areas. All four games seeked to bring the complete experience, and add Dishonored to the list. This is why I have a problem with Journey or TWD winning GOTY's.....they aren't complete, they only play off one or two aspcets of game design and let everything else suffer.texasgoldrush
Well if we can't use Far Cry's open world as a way to determine its completeness because ME3 doesn't have it, we need to take out the storied choices and RPG elements in ME as well, because Far Cry doesn't have either (sure you could argue the ending as a choice, but you could also argue ME has a bunch of small open worlds to explore where you can find items etc...). So basically, following your logic, in order to determine Far Cry 3's completeness as a game, we must break down ALL the barriers separating it and ME3. So that leaves us with gameplay, art design, story, and technical graphics. Far Cry wins 2, Mass Effect 3 the other two. But, even though, as you say, art design matters more, I'm saying gameplay matters more than story and graphics (both art design and technical graphics). Far Cry 3 has better gameplay than Mass Effect 3. Therefore, Far Cry 3 is the more complete game...even though we're just talking quality now.
But once again....apples and oranges. The gameplay between the two is so vastly different you can't comapre the two. Lets not forget soundtrack and VA which ME3 wins as well. You are now cherry picking as well as ME3 has better multiplayer gameplay than Far Cry 3. Taking gameplay out....unless you want to compare how they handle in their own genres (which is why I call TWD gameplay weak, because its weak for its genre)....FC3 wins techincal graphics and sound design....but ME3 wins story, characters, soundtrack, voice acting, art design, and also is more innovative due to the save import feature used to a potential more than ever before. This is why ME3 is the most complete game this year......excellent soundtrack, great art design, great story and characters, top notch voice acting, and a powerful save import feature, while having pretty good gameplay that has a suprising multiplayer feature.I figure you must be milking this completeness argument because deep down inside you know ME3 wasn't the best game this year.[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] However, its a sandbox game, ME3 is not, its a commando shooter. Thats comparing apples to oranges, where you can only compare how good the orange is to how good the apple is to other apples and oranges. In fact, ME3's gameplay is pretty much underrated when you bring the RPG elements, the powers and the combos into play. This is what makes multiplayer so great....character variation and powers, and the weight system. This sets it apart from other TPS. Nevermind if you want to compare apples and oranges, the story is part of the gameplay in ME3, not so in FC3. Except for the end, its a pretty hands off story. As for things you can compare.... ME3's soundtrack completely blows away Far Cry 3's. FC3 definitely wins techinical graphics, but ME3 pretty much has a far better art design...and art design is more important than techincal graphics. ME3's VA is also better as well. This is not to say that FC3 isn't complete, it most definitely is, but I think ME3 is stronger in a couple areas. All four games seeked to bring the complete experience, and add Dishonored to the list. This is why I have a problem with Journey or TWD winning GOTY's.....they aren't complete, they only play off one or two aspcets of game design and let everything else suffer.texasgoldrush
Well if we can't use Far Cry's open world as a way to determine its completeness because ME3 doesn't have it, we need to take out the storied choices and RPG elements in ME as well, because Far Cry doesn't have either (sure you could argue the ending as a choice, but you could also argue ME has a bunch of small open worlds to explore where you can find items etc...). So basically, following your logic, in order to determine Far Cry 3's completeness as a game, we must break down ALL the barriers separating it and ME3. So that leaves us with gameplay, art design, story, and technical graphics. Far Cry wins 2, Mass Effect 3 the other two. But, even though, as you say, art design matters more, I'm saying gameplay matters more than story and graphics (both art design and technical graphics). Far Cry 3 has better gameplay than Mass Effect 3. Therefore, Far Cry 3 is the more complete game...even though we're just talking quality now.
But once again....apples and oranges. The gameplay between the two is so vastly different you can't comapre the two. Lets not forget soundtrack and VA which ME3 wins as well. You are now cherry picking as well as ME3 has better multiplayer gameplay than Far Cry 3. Taking gameplay out....unless you want to compare how they handle in their own genres (which is why I call TWD gameplay weak, because its weak for its genre)....FC3 wins techincal graphics and sound design....but ME3 wins story, characters, soundtrack, voice acting, art design, and also is more innovative due to the save import feature used to a potential more than ever before. This is why ME3 is the most complete game this year......excellent soundtrack, great art design, great story and characters, top notch voice acting, and a powerful save import feature, while having pretty good gameplay that has a suprising multiplayer feature.The gameplay isn't vastly different at all. Mass Effect is a cover mechanic shooter that uses RPG elements to unlock powers. Far Cry 3 is the same way. They are different, by a good amount, but not vastly different by any means. They are cover mechanic shooters, both of them. You unlock your abilities through skill points attained by gaining experience. The only reason why you may think they are so vastly different is that Far Cry just offers a lot more in the gameplay department than Mass Effect and the fact that Far Cry is in first person, not third like Mass Effect. But, offering much more doesn't make it uncomparable.
Far Cry 3 wins graphics. I'm just gonna say it, artistic graphics are better in only one meaning of the word. In Mass Effect's case they aren't because it still is very naturalistic. It doesn't matter if the artstyIe is great or bad, Mass Effect is still gonna look bad relatively fast because it's art style depends on naturalism. The art styIe will give it some leverage, but not much. In the end, it's gonna be mainly the technical graphics that make it look great. It's different from, say, Windwaker or Okami which aren't naturalistic, and only depend on realism. Look at some other SciFi games with great style. Do they look good today? Halo 1/2? Doom 3? Not really. What does looks good today? Well...Okami, Jet Set Radio, and Wind Waker. There are some naturalistic games that have such a great artstyIe to them they will stand (or have stood) the test of time, but that is a very short list, and Mass Effect isn't on it. Mass Effect does have some great character design, but the environments just aren't as great. Still Great, but not great enough to stand up to games like Metroid Prime or Bioshock which stand the test of time graphically. I'm not trying to downplay ME's art styIe. It's just not good enough or, rather, has a time-friendly design.Your art styIe argument doesn't matter in Mass Effect's case. Far Cry 3 wins.
Soundtrack. Which one is better? Mass Effect. Sound design, Far Cry. No arguments.
Story AND characters? Don't get ahead of yourself. That's like me saying Far Cry has the best graphics and the best lighting and textures. They are what makes up the same thing. As for story, yeah Mass Effect wins. Without a doubt. The characters have a lot of depth, there is a lot of context, a lot of great side plots going on. It's one of the best stories in video games even if the ending is probably the worst ever in any medium.
Mass Effect has better VA than Far Cry 3? Lol no. VA depends mostly on money and Ubi pays up just as much as EA. Vaas is better than the entire Mass Effect cast. He's great and the voice actor did an outstanding job. Some of the best in videogames. Dennis and Citra are all just as good as Mass Effect's cast as well. There are a few hiccups with side characters, but Mass Effect has some bad lines too. Remember, Mass Effect has great voice acting, but so do most other AAA games. Very few videogames stand out in the VA territory. In fact, the only ones I can think of are Uncharted 1-3 and the Arkham games. Most games are on ME's level. Nothing really goes past that in our medium.
Mass Effect 3 has a good Horde style Co-Op mode. It released really imbalanced though and isn't the best thing in the world. It is fun. I can say I've played it a LOT. My N7 level is like 550. However, Mass Effect's main single player campaign depends on the Co-Op mode, if you want the best ending. At least in Far Cry I can just play the single player campaign. Also, You keep saying Mass Effect has a better Co-Op mode, but you keep forgetting that Far Cry has a good one too. Is it as great as Mass Effects? Honestly, it just depends on what style you like the best. Far Cry's co-op is more like an adventure mode while Mass Effect's is just a horde mode. Take your pick. You can't really argue that Bioware supports ME more either because Ubi is releasing two Co-Op missions for free in the next month.
Also, you stopped arguing about completeness a long time ago. I threw in how Far Cry has an open world and many things to do in it and I said that that contributes to its completeness as a game. Then you started throwing irrelevancies around about how it doesn't matter because it can't be compared to Mass Effect. It hardly matters what Mass Effect has when I'm arguing about Far Cry's completeness even if I am comparing it's completeness to Mass Effect. BTW, completeness is a stupid argument. All Mario Galaxy has going for it are the artstyle, gameplay and soundtrack. It's lacking story, multiplayer, technical proficiency, voice acting,/whatever else. It didn't stop it from being a fantastic game and winning multiple GOTY awards during an extremely competitive year. Heck Mario Galaxy is the highest rated game this gen.
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