The gaming industry is so bias and out of touch with reality it isn't even funny

Okay, with all the stupid amounts of threads I have been reading the last monthish I felt it was time to say something. The devs, publishers and press haven't the slightest frigging clue of how this industry works. With all the "Wii is an untested market" BS I've waded through this week I thought the carnival of stupid was coming to an end. What greets me today?

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/halo-reach-to-be-biggest-seller-in-2010

Is this some kind of really crappy joke? This is a list coming from what is suppose to be our trusted gaming media? That list is absolutely piss poor by any standard. Its not even a list based on sales, its a PS3/360 exclusive list with some starcraft. Now I understand when we have to talk about games its okay for the inevitable Wii/handheld games are not good enough but this list. Really? A list based on sales.This list is bad, how the hell is GT5 #10 on that list exactly? Sony's biggest franchise is under GOW?What the hell am I reading?This list is terrible for so many reasons and its suppose to be based on something that is actually measurable.This makes me wonder, why exactly do people put so much weight on what these people say? They are suppose to be experts but they put Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 on a best selling list and left off Pokemon? Does that actually make sense? It seems the writers are focusing more on what they consider popular and are interested in than what the reality is. Ridiculous.

Now on to how dangerous the Wii market is. I will fully admit the Wii market is not thee most receptive market ever but some of the standards I read are ridiculous. Forgive me but any person who judges the userbase of a system by the sales of railshooters is completely out of touch with reality. Why is it that some how Deadspace and Darkside Chronicles are now the staple of why third parties cannot succeed on the system? If we are going to play the game of a system being unable to sell games can we not use legitimate examples? I don't understand why whenever I ask someone to explain why the Wii, the system that again will be the system that sells the most third party software in the year is being judged by Deadspace, a brand which is not even strong where it originated. (no people, 1.5 million off of heavily discounted copies is not a strong brand, don't waste my time) So here is mytquestion, why is it okay that Deadspace on rails is the core game we must judge 3 years of Wii neglect off of but if I make the statement that the Wii hasn't gotten the type of support necessary to have big selling third party games I am being unreasonable? Why is it that people love to place the blame on casual wii owners who only buy Nintendo games when the highest rated Wii game this year was, OMG, a Nintendo game? Realistically, why do people think that Wii owners must buy any mediocore half assed effort to show they care for third parties but at the same time they have low standards if they do? I would love an answer. On to point 3

This industry can't manage money and size worth ****. Let's look at a bunch of the layoffs andclosures for this year stolen from Penny Arcade (I wouldn't do this myself lol):

January:

- Jaleco closes (IP and $7.736m/$17.68m loan sold to Game Yarou for $0.01)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21930

- MS ACES (Flight Simulator team gone)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21981
- MS cuts 30% of testers at MGS + unspecified GFW team
http://kotaku.com/5138389/more-micro...-windows-group

- Sega cuts 30 in San Francisco
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21942

- Eidos cuts 30 people at Crystal Dynamics
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21809

- Eidos closes Rockpool Games (Manchester) [mobile]
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...chester-studio

- Seta Corp (Super Entertainment & Total Amusement) closed
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21943

- EA to cut 10% of staff and 9 studios consolidated/closed by March
---- unspecifed # @ Tiburon (Madden and Tiger Woods divisions confirmed hit)
---- Blackbox (200 out of 350 jobs cut, remainder absorbed into EA Burnaby [Vancouver])
---- 21 customer service, half of QA, all of playtest group @ Mythic

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21974
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=21931

- unspecified cuts at Sony and MS (kotaku sez bulk of the current 1400 cut from MS are from Entertainment & Devices)

Nexon closes Humanature studio (Vancouver) 90 Jobs lost
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...anature-studio

Unspecified layoffs at Kuju in US and UK
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...across-studios

Ensemble closes
http://www.ensemblestudios.com/blogs...nd-thanks.aspx

Disney Interactive Studios layoff ~70 at Propoganda, confirms plans to "consolidate a handful of its studios, including Avalanche Software and the Fall Line studio."
http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/01/...unced-tur.html

February:

Brighter Minds (World of Goo) goes Bankrupt
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-goes-bankrupt

THQ Mobile shuts down in San Diego, Germany and UK (~100 jobs)
http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/02/...be-bomber.html

EA to close 12 facilities + 1100 jobs
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...g-USD641m-loss


Eidos drops casual studio (Gimme5games)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...l-games-studio

Sega cuts 18% of workforce (560 jobs)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=22239

NCSoft cuts 55 at NC West (Europe)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...uropean-office

Midway files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
http://www.midway.com/us/pr/mpr_5591.html

Rare cuts artist and engineer positions (12 known)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...neer-positions

Popcap acquires Gastronaut Studios
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...es-xbla-studio

Fillpoint acquires Crave Entertainment and SVG Distribution
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-crave-and-svg

March:

THQ cuts majority of Volition's (Saint's Row) QA staff - 86 of 102
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=22562

THQ to sell or close Big HUge Games, Heavy Iron and Incinerator becoming independent.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...r-close-studio

Namco to buy all branches of D3 publisher, including studio Vicious Cycle
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-d3p-businesse

April:

THQ confirms unspecified layoffs at BigHugeGames, still looking for sale
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...big-huge-games

May:

3D Realms closes
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...s-closes-doors


Grin Studios cuts 160 people
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...?f=59&t=768094

Factor 5 closes
http://www.edge-online.com/news/lair...actor-5-closes

June:

Management Buy-Out/Closure of Chemistry (Kuju)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...emistry-studio

Deadline Games (Watchman Game) files for bankruptcy
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...for-bankruptcy

Crystal Dynamics cuts 25 more people
http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23989

Midway San Diego and Newcastle face closure by end of June.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...by-end-of-june

America's Army studio closes
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...o-closes-doors

Rockstar lays of 10% of New England staff
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...d-staff-report

ZeniMax (owner of Bethsoft) acquires id Software
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...es-id-software

July:

Heavy Hammer lays off Blue Omega team
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...damnation-team

Sony Online Entertainment lays off 5% of staff
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=24483

Midway Closes Chicago Corporate Headquarters and Newcastle Studio
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...rporate-office
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...studio-closure

August:

Grin shuts down
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ompany-closure


EA cuts back staff at Maxis
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...staff-at-maxis

Raven lays off 30-35
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...of-wolfenstein

September

Bottlerocket closes
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...oses-its-doors

Funcom to cut 20% of workforce
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...t-of-workforce

October:

Transmission Games lays off 20
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-staff-members

Activision lays off 30 from 7 studios
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ased-7-studios

Activision closes Shaba Studios
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...tudios-closure

Idol Minds lays off ~26
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...it-by-lay-offs

Transmission Games closes
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...s-doors-report

Slipgate Ironworks lays off ~50
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...gate-ironworks

November:

Square-Enix/Taito/Eidos cuts 10% globally
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...und-10-percent

EA to layoff 1,500 by April 2010, including "several studio closures"
Tiburon, Blackbox, Redwood Shores, Mythic reportedly affected
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=25999

Pandemic closes
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-studios-today

Krome faces unspecified number of layoffs
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...e-studio-krome

December:

Fuzzeyes lays off majority of staff
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ority-of-staff

Threewave studio enters reorganization
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...nisation-phase

Rumor: Apsyr cuts staff by over 50%
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ver-50-percent

SCEA drops 30 QA jobs
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...dates-qa-group

Paradox Interactive acquires AGEOD
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...eveloper-ageod

Oberon Media lays off 100
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-off-100-staff

Is this not a stupidly huge list? This is the industry people are telling me knows better than the average forum dweller? Really? This right here is telling of just how ridiculous this industry is getting. Big players can't even hold down their studios. Okay fine. What exactly pisses me off about this list? What 2 systems are responsible for the majority of those layoffs and closures? No I'm not hating here, I'm serious. If the one system everyone is afraid to lose money on has not caused layoffs of this magnitude how exactly is it justified to say that there is no money to be made there and its soooo dangerous? Now this actually has nothing to do with the Wii more than it does with my annoyance that these gaming companies blatantly lie to our faces with information that makes no sense and takes its fans for idiots when they see through the BS. Really now. It doesn't take a genius to figure out a Top 10 list of sales is false or know that when a company releases unmarketed titles they will not perform but yet, I read editorial after editorial and the same thing always comes out of them. Nothing but none sense.

End rant

sorry arctic I didnt read the whole link, but basically it seems like its saying Halo Reach is going to be the best seller next year, and err tbh I agree why WOULDNT it? OTher then in japan that is.

I do agree that not having POkemon on that list wasnt smart though.

and Well tbh with you, I honestly do think that GOW will outsell GT5... I think most racing fans at this point in the gen have already gotten sick of waiting and got ten there racing fix off of NFS SHift, Dirt 2, Burnout Paradise, Forza 3 (well multiplat owners at least), the list goes on/ I do feel that GT5 will sell well, but it is fairly clear to my eyes that i see GOW 3 selling beter

sorry arctic I didnt read the whole link, but basically it seems like its saying Halo Reach is going to be the best seller next year, and err tbh I agree why WOULDNT it? OTher then in japan that is.

I do agree that not having POkemon on that list wasnt smart though.

and Well tbh with you, I honestly do think that GOW will outsell GT5... I think most racing fans at this point in the gen have already gotten sick of waiting and got ten there racing fix off of NFS SHift, Dirt 2, Burnout Paradise, Forza 3 (well multiplat owners at least), the list goes on/ I do feel that GT5 will sell well, but it is fairly clear to my eyes that i see GOW 3 selling beter

dragonfly110

• 1. Halo: Reach
• 2. Final Fantasy XIII
• 3. StarCraft II
• 4. Call of Duty 7
• 5. FIFA 11
• 6. BioShock 2
• 7. Mass Effect 2
• 8. God of War III
• 9. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
• 10. Gran Turismo 5

Granturismo 5 Prologue sold 2.5 million in Europe alone. GOW3 is not going to touch GT5, quote me on that. It is Sony's biggest frnachise, how exactly is it logical to put a relatively smaller franchise above it on principle alone? That doesn't even excuse the fact that ME2 and Bioshock2 are above it.

I think somebody needs to take some play a little Flower and relax a bit.Greyfeld

This is funny, you think I was not relaxed when I did this? Sorry I want to have a brain stimulating conversation instead of entering another GRAPHICS KING thread.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

sorry arctic I didnt read the whole link, but basically it seems like its saying Halo Reach is going to be the best seller next year, and err tbh I agree why WOULDNT it? OTher then in japan that is.

I do agree that not having POkemon on that list wasnt smart though.

and Well tbh with you, I honestly do think that GOW will outsell GT5... I think most racing fans at this point in the gen have already gotten sick of waiting and got ten there racing fix off of NFS SHift, Dirt 2, Burnout Paradise, Forza 3 (well multiplat owners at least), the list goes on/ I do feel that GT5 will sell well, but it is fairly clear to my eyes that i see GOW 3 selling beter

ActicEdge

• 1. Halo: Reach
• 2. Final Fantasy XIII
• 3. StarCraft II
• 4. Call of Duty 7
• 5. FIFA 11
• 6. BioShock 2
• 7. Mass Effect 2
• 8. God of War III
• 9. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
• 10. Gran Turismo 5

Granturismo 5 Prologue sold 2.5 million in Europe alone. GOW3 is not going to touch GT5, quote me on that. It is Sony's biggest frnachise, how exactly is it logical to put a relatively smaller franchise above it on principle alone? That doesn't even excuse the fact that ME2 and Bioshock2 are above it.

I do admit that Bioshock and Mass Effect have no right being over it, but Im telling you I have a really strong feeling that GOW 3 will outperform GT5 in sales. For one it seems like a LOT more people are hyping it, both on forums, in RL and just in the industry in general. But who knows, either one of us could be right about it.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]I think somebody needs to take some play a little Flower and relax a bit.ActicEdge

This is funny, you think I was not relaxed when I did this? Sorry I want to have a brain stimulating conversation instead of entering another GRAPHICS KING thread.

but you mentioned GT5 AND Halo Reach, you know that pics are going to be flooding in eventually :P

We're in a rescission, what's new?

P.S. A few of those aren't true, like this.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]I think somebody needs to take some play a little Flower and relax a bit.dragonfly110

This is funny, you think I was not relaxed when I did this? Sorry I want to have a brain stimulating conversation instead of entering another GRAPHICS KING thread.

but you mentioned GT5 AND Halo Reach, you know that pics are going to be flooding in eventually :P

I actually never mentioned Reach, its justifiable as #1, but there is no way in hell GOW, ME2, or Bioshock are outselling GT. This list is entirely not based on logic. The hype for GOW3 on the forums is not a measurement, GT in Europe alone has outsold any GOW game handily.

Video games are still a fairly new market, for both journalism, marketing, and developing alike. None of this is a surprise. First off you can find outrageously bias articles for any form of news, or entertainment, its apart of life. You just have to find sources that are the least bias and bring you some good material.

On your huge list of layoffs and closings, none of those studios are worth while. Crappy studios will not survive, its the way it out to be. Why dont you make a list of thriving studios? Go to insomniac.com they recently opened a new studio and are hiring. Hell you can go to any of your favorite studios websites and they are hiring and even doing internships. Naughty dog, bungie, infinity ward, you name it. You should take a look into other forms of media, music, movies, anything, you will find the exact same crap you are finding in the gaming market.

We're in a rescission, what's new?Yandere

Being in a recession is still not an excuse. The game industry has grown significantly, it has purchased more games than ever, therefore the is no reason so many devs should be dying out on that principle alone.

Actic, that was a very insightful read. Thank you for posting it!

Third parties are very clueless when it comes to making games for the Wii. Either they half-ass the game or don't make the game in a genre that is appealing to Wii owners (Rail shooters as opposed to FPS or 3rd person shooter) or they don't market the game at all and then wonder why the game tanked at retail. Even though Capcom is complaining about how Darkside Chronicles failed, they sure as hell weren't whining when they teamed up with Nintendo and got nearly a million sales with Monster Hunter 3 in Japan.

Regarding the list of bestsellers, the people who made it are complete idiots who have no idea how the market really is and what is popular. They are probably putting down what they think are "hardcore" games.

The lists of the layoffs were a bit surprising seeing as people love to go on and on about how the gaming industry is recession proof. I didn't expect companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft to be among those that were cutting jobs. I actually wrote a paper on this for my English class and how the trend that MS and Sony are going in by releasing consoles at a loss for both them and developers was unsustainable and how we are going to see jobs being cut and if it got bad enough, maybe an industry crash (though I think that is unlikely).

About your first point: I have no idea why people believe or care about the gaming media. Probably the same people who obsess over celebrities. *shrugs* You are correct in that they simply say what they think is the popular response and what they would like to see happen. It really is a bunch of nonsense all around.

and this is a prime example of what's wrong with these forums. you get fanboys likE tc with their critical balls and eliest natures that take this place too seriously... oh well. why don't youjust relax and go back to playing games my friend. if owning and gaming in one system is not enough because apparently their games don'tsell whAT YOU WANT THEN PAY FOR ALL CONSOLES AND HAVE A FULL SPECTRUM OF THE INDUSTRY:?easy right?

Tis interesting and i see exactly where you are coming from especially regarding Pokemon and other franchises that dominate like the Sims.

I pose a question to you Artic why do you think they are doing this? This Denile?

Video games are still a fairly new market, for both journalism, marketing, and developing alike. None of this is a surprise. First off you can find outrageously bias articles for any form of news, or entertainment, its apart of life. You just have to find sources that are the least bias and bring you some good material.

On your huge list of layoffs and closings, none of those studios are worth while. Crappy studios will not survive, its the way it out to be. Why dont you make a list of thriving studios? Go to insomniac.com they recently opened a new studio and are hiring. Hell you can go to any of your favorite studios websites and they are hiring and even doing internships. Naughty dog, bungie, infinity ward, you name it. You should take a look into other forms of media, music, movies, anything, you will find the exact same crap you are finding in the gaming market.

Sully28

Not to the extent of games. The outrageously bias articles are constant and everywhere. There are like 2 websites I can think of that do not spew garbage and bias in anything they do. The good material the gaming press provides is laughable. Its run by the exact same one track minded individuals. Please though, link me to these least bias sites with good info. They do not exist.

Really now, this is not the point. Its not healthy for a company like EA to shed 10% of its work force, that's ridiculous. There is no reason for that many layoffs and closure in the span of 12 months in a growing industry. I also had no idea devs like Pandemic were crap.

its called a recession the game industry was hit badly by it...it really has nothing to do with teh state of games...

It's funny that practically every big player in the industry is on that lay-off list except for the one that everyone says is going down hill, is in a crisis and won't have a single Top 10 seller next year.

Some people won't acknowledge Nintendo unless they make a game like this:

That game would be bad *** I admit, but a little silly to see no Wii games on that list when the Wii dominates software sales charts on a global level.

and this is a prime example of what's wrong with these forums. you get fanboys likE tc with their critical balls and eliest natures that take this place too seriously... oh well. why don't youjust relax and go back to playing games my friend. if owning and gaming in one system is not enough because apparently their games don'tsell whAT YOU WANT THEN PAY FOR ALL CONSOLES AND HAVE A FULL SPECTRUM OF THE INDUSTRY:?easy right?

edo-tensei

Uh, if I had a significant amount of time for more than one system I would buy another, I really don't though especially with the money invovled and being a student. No where did I say I was not satisfied with my platform of choice however, I don't see where you are getting this from. Also, if this makes me a fanboy and an elitest then hell yeah, I'll take that title. Its better than stooping to Graphics King low threads.

its called a recession the game industry was hit badly by it...it really has nothing to do with teh state of games...

WilliamRLBaker

Development costs on the PS3 and the 360 amplify that problem by quite a bit. It's not just the recession.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]I think somebody needs to take some play a little Flower and relax a bit.ActicEdge

This is funny, you think I was not relaxed when I did this? Sorry I want to have a brain stimulating conversation instead of entering another GRAPHICS KING thread.

Tis interesting and i see exactly where you are coming from especially regarding Pokemon and other franchises that dominate like the Sims.

I pose a question to you Artic why do you think they are doing this? This Denile?

jwsoul

It has nothing to do with real research. They just pick what they like and hear about. I am fine with a list that is debatable but its not debatable that Pokemon will outsell half that list and GT being #10 is silly. The industry is really only focused on the PS3 and 360 and according to the layoff list it is hurting them.

[QUOTE="Sully28"]

Video games are still a fairly new market, for both journalism, marketing, and developing alike. None of this is a surprise. First off you can find outrageously bias articles for any form of news, or entertainment, its apart of life. You just have to find sources that are the least bias and bring you some good material.

On your huge list of layoffs and closings, none of those studios are worth while. Crappy studios will not survive, its the way it out to be. Why dont you make a list of thriving studios? Go to insomniac.com they recently opened a new studio and are hiring. Hell you can go to any of your favorite studios websites and they are hiring and even doing internships. Naughty dog, bungie, infinity ward, you name it. You should take a look into other forms of media, music, movies, anything, you will find the exact same crap you are finding in the gaming market.

ActicEdge

Not to the extent of games. The outrageously bias articles are constant and everywhere. There are like 2 websites I can think of that do not spew garbage and bias in anything they do. The good material the gaming press provides is laughable. Its run by the exact same one track minded individuals. Please though, link me to these least bias sites with good info. They do not exist.

Really now, this is not the point. Its not healthy for a company like EA to shed 10% of its work force, that's ridiculous. There is no reason for that many layoffs and closure in the span of 12 months in a growing industry. I also had no idea devs like Pandemic were crap.

i personally am a fan of www.epicbattleaxe.com for my gamming news. They cut the facts, and at the end of the articles they then put in a little personal tibbit. Plus it gives control to users to tip them off to news stories so theres alot of content, and every day there is a user "battle cry" which is basically a mini coloumn about something in gaming.

Kotaku usually has some good stuff. Also there are alot of other small sites that have some of the best articles.

If you are sticking to big sites like IGN or Gamespot you are going to get alot of bias, but most of the time they give some good straight articles. Like i said, not nearly as bad as going to CNN.com and trying to find some decent news stories, all you find is crap.

its called a recession the game industry was hit badly by it...it really has nothing to do with teh state of games...

WilliamRLBaker

Game sales went up, not down. I followed alot of those stories closely and some of them were based on ignorance. Like Grin for example.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

and this is a prime example of what's wrong with these forums. you get fanboys likE tc with their critical balls and eliest natures that take this place too seriously... oh well. why don't youjust relax and go back to playing games my friend. if owning and gaming in one system is not enough because apparently their games don'tsell whAT YOU WANT THEN PAY FOR ALL CONSOLES AND HAVE A FULL SPECTRUM OF THE INDUSTRY:?easy right?

Uh, if I had a significant amount of time for more than one system I would buy another, I really don't though especially with the money invovled and being a student. No where did I say I was not satisfied with my platform of choice however, I don't see where you are getting this from. Also, if this makes me a fanboy and an elitest then hell yeah, I'll take that title. Its better than stooping to Graphics King low threads.

Nice post Actic. I thibk you speak for many about how these rail shooters like DS:E and RE:DSC on the Wii tanking should be a reason why companies shouldn't support the Wii.

I also think it's ridiculous to see no Nintendo first party game on that list and also to see Gran Turismo only at number 10.

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

Seabas989

This is System Wars.

its called a recession the game industry was hit badly by it...it really has nothing to do with teh state of games...

WilliamRLBaker

Nice post Actic. I thibk you speak for many about how these rail shooters like DS:E and RE:DSC on the Wii tanking should be a reason why companies shouldn't support the Wii.

I also think it's ridiculous to see no Nintendo first party game on that list and also to see Gran Turismo only at number 10.

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

Seabas989

Its only like 4 paragraphs with a hell of a lot of links to make a point. But thank you. This thread is about the things the industry does that people just brush off as fine or correct. There is a problem when rail shooters are suppose to be this hardcore marketable genre that sells millions.

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

LordQuorthon

This is System Wars.

I know it's SW's but this is ridiculous.

I've seen users like Subrosian make posts 3 times as long as this and people read it. (His "Goodbye Nintendo" thread).

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Nice post Actic. I thibk you speak for many about how these rail shooters like DS:E and RE:DSC on the Wii tanking should be a reason why companies shouldn't support the Wii.

I also think it's ridiculous to see no Nintendo first party game on that list and also to see Gran Turismo only at number 10.

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

ActicEdge

Its only like 4 paragraphs with a hell of a lot of links to make a point. But thank you. This thread is about the things the industry does that people just brush off as fine or correct. There is a problem when rail shooters are suppose to be this hardcore marketable genre that sells millions.

Sorry to scare you, but Reach could easily be the best seller of them all.enterawesome

I never said it wouldn't. I said the composition of that list is horrible. Halo may be first, that doesn't excuse the rest of the list.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Nice post Actic. I thibk you speak for many about how these rail shooters like DS:E and RE:DSC on the Wii tanking should be a reason why companies shouldn't support the Wii.

I also think it's ridiculous to see no Nintendo first party game on that list and also to see Gran Turismo only at number 10.

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

Greyfeld

Its only like 4 paragraphs with a hell of a lot of links to make a point. But thank you. This thread is about the things the industry does that people just brush off as fine or correct. There is a problem when rail shooters are suppose to be this hardcore marketable genre that sells millions.

I didn't say they were bad. I said that its ridiculous that on rail shooters were suppose to be the highlight hardcore games on the wii that were suppose to prove third party success. The genre is saturated on the Wii and no one cares for the deadspace brand on the wii (rightfully so) or another on rails RE game2 years later. Its not a fair parameter for judgingselling capacity.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its only like 4 paragraphs with a hell of a lot of links to make a point. But thank you. This thread is about the things the industry does that people just brush off as fine or correct. There is a problem when rail shooters are suppose to be this hardcore marketable genre that sells millions.

ActicEdge

I didn't say they were bad. I said that its ridiculous that on rail shooters were suppose to be the highlight hardcore games on the wii that were suppose to prove on rsils success. The genre is saturated on the Wii and no one cares for the deadspace brand on the wii (rightfully so) or another on rails RE game2 years later.

Awesome thread.

Agreed on everything apart from the fact I think Dead Space was a good game on the other consoles :(

[QUOTE="Theguy56"]

Awesome thread.

Agreed on everything apart from the fact I think Dead Space was a good game on the other consoles :(

carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Theguy56"]

Awesome thread.

Agreed on everything apart from the fact I think Dead Space was a good game on the other consoles :(

carljohnson3456

Sorry to scare you, but Reach could easily be the best seller of them all.enterawesome

Your missing the point that ArticEdge is making regarding the list. This forecast list of 2010 bestsellers is suppose to be created by "industry professionals taking part in the annual GamesIndustry.biz Network Survey" consisting of "9900 members working in all areas of the games business, from publishing and development to retail and education".

These "industry professionals" somehow made a top 10 bestseller list COMPLETELY DEVOID of Nintendo software even though Nintendo games have DOMINATED the sales charts for the past three years. NSMB Wii, Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sports Resort, SMG2, and Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver are all games that should easily by on that list. The fact that Nintendo games were completely left out reflects a huge disconnect the perception of reality these professionals have compared to actual reality of the game industry.

I agree with much of the article. Based on you comments, it would seem that may it's you that's out of touch with reality.

The Wii IS a dangerous place for third parties. And Dead Space and Darkside Chronicles ARE prime examples of this.... as are MadWorld and No More Heroes. Critically well-received but all sold rather poorly. What reason is there for a dev to put so much effort into games that not enough people are supporting? What sells well? Wii Sports Resort. Wii Fit. Mario.

I don't see anything wrong with their predictions either. Although I may not agree 100%, their opinions aren't too far off from my own. Sorry. GT5 will sell pretty well, but the racing sim genre is niche. It is not a system selling blockbuster. It's a fan-driven game that has long legs, carrying it through several years. However, next year, I wouldn't expect it to sell like gangbusters in the way Halo or Modern Warfare will sell.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Sorry to scare you, but Reach could easily be the best seller of them all.lazybum131

Your missing the point that ArticEdge is making regarding the list. This forecast list of 2010 bestsellers is suppose to be created by "industry professionals taking part in the annual GamesIndustry.biz Network Survey" consisting of "9900 members working in all areas of the games business, from publishing and development to retail and education".

These "industry professionals" somehow made a top 10 bestseller list COMPLETELY DEVOID of Nintendo software even though Nintendo games have DOMINATED the sales charts for the past three years. NSMB Wii, Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sports Resort, SMG2, and Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver are all games that should easily by on that list. The fact that Nintendo games were completely left out reflects a huge disconnect the perception of reality these professionals have compared to actual reality of the game industry.

Exactly to be fair for the people who are not reading Artics long post this is a good summary.

The question in my mind remains although TC attempted to answer WHY?

Yes they are choosing from a personal preference / perspective that could be a reason. Surely industry proffesionals know better than that? Or do they.... The facts and figures are in front of them yet they denie them it seems strange for an industry aimed at entertainment to do this.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Sorry to scare you, but Reach could easily be the best seller of them all.lazybum131

Your missing the point that ArticEdge is making regarding the list. This forecast list of 2010 bestsellers is suppose to be created by "industry professionals taking part in the annual GamesIndustry.biz Network Survey" consisting of "9900 members working in all areas of the games business, from publishing and development to retail and education".

These "industry professionals" somehow made a top 10 bestseller list COMPLETELY DEVOID of Nintendo software even though Nintendo games have DOMINATED the sales charts for the past three years. NSMB Wii, Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sports Resort, SMG2, and Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver are all games that should easily by on that list. The fact that Nintendo games were completely left out reflects a huge disconnect the perception of reality these professionals have compared to actual reality of the game industry.

Whether the omission was intentional or subconscious, I think it speaks volumes about how the gaming industry perceives the relevance of Nintendo, the Wii in particular.

I've written them off, basically. The Wii's main base of support is a non-gamer/casual-gamer population that has proven to be fickle, if not volatile.... either way, they could be unpredictable from season to season. I would have no problem in disregarding the Wii when I look into my 2010 crystal ball. They're just not relevant to me, a core gamer.