The gaming industry is so bias and out of touch with reality it isn't even funny

I agree with much of the article. Based on you comments, it would seem that may it's you that's out of touch with reality.

The Wii IS a dangerous place for third parties. And Dead Space and Darkside Chronicles ARE prime examples of this.... as are MadWorld and No More Heroes. Critically well-received but all sold rather poorly. What reason is there for a dev to put so much effort into games that not enough people are supporting? What sells well? Wii Sports Resort. Wii Fit. Mario.

I don't see anything wrong with their predictions either. Although I may not agree 100%, their opinions aren't too far off from my own. Sorry. GT5 will sell pretty well, but the racing sim genre is niche. It is not a system selling blockbuster. It's a fan-driven game that has long legs, carrying it through several years. However, next year, I wouldn't expect it to sell like gangbusters in the way Halo or Modern Warfare will sell.

VoodooHak

Did you even read the whole article??

if they included games that were confirmed to be released in 2010 , mario and metroid and even zelda should be there they were all confirmed by nintendo of course they might get pushed back to 2011, but so might halo reach considering NSMBwii sold more then modern warfare its pritty logical to assume it will likely be very close on top of that listHalf-Way

[QUOTE="loco145"]

9000 industry professionals. The article says it. But since they are industry insiders they must be right and can't be questioned, right?

Teufelhuhn

But you still say: "Soooooo the people who are in the industry and actually go through the process of developing/publishing/marketing a game don't understand the industry, but you do?"

I haven't bankrupt a gaming company yet, so at least i have the benefit of the doubt.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"] if they included games that were confirmed to be released in 2010 , mario and metroid and even zelda should be there they were all confirmed by nintendo of course they might get pushed back to 2011, but so might halo reach considering NSMBwii sold more then modern warfare its pritty logical to assume it will likely be very close on top of that listTeufelhuhn

TL;DR, mad because there are no Wii titles on random prediction list.

That automatically=the industry is "dying" now? Please.

I agree with much of the article. Based on you comments, it would seem that may it's you that's out of touch with reality.

The Wii IS a dangerous place for third parties. And Dead Space and Darkside Chronicles ARE prime examples of this.... as are MadWorld and No More Heroes. Critically well-received but all sold rather poorly. What reason is there for a dev to put so much effort into games that not enough people are supporting? What sells well? Wii Sports Resort. Wii Fit. Mario.

I don't see anything wrong with their predictions either. Although I may not agree 100%, their opinions aren't too far off from my own. Sorry. GT5 will sell pretty well, but the racing sim genre is niche. It is not a system selling blockbuster. It's a fan-driven game that has long legs, carrying it through several years. However, next year, I wouldn't expect it to sell like gangbusters in the way Halo or Modern Warfare will sell.

VoodooHak

WHAT!?!?!?

7+ million copies of this game in N. America say otherwise

Did you just start playing games last year or something?

[QUOTE="Half-Way"] if they included games that were confirmed to be released in 2010 , mario and metroid and even zelda should be there they were all confirmed by nintendo of course they might get pushed back to 2011, but so might halo reach considering NSMBwii sold more then modern warfare its pritty logical to assume it will likely be very close on top of that listTeufelhuhn

Capcom executive not having a clue why Z&W didn't sell, (really?), this list. The guy that mocked the wii and said that the MW would have to sell 5 million to make a profit and everything was awesome in the HD land... just to have his company to get closed a few months later because its glorious HD games were outsold by MadWorld (Grin). That's why we are questioning the industry.

loco145

But you still say: "Soooooo the people who are in the industry and actually go through the process of developing/publishing/marketing a game don't understand the industry, but you do?"

I haven't bankrupt a gaming company yet, so at least i have the benefit of the doubt.

loco145

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Soooooo the people who are in the industry and actually go through the process of developing/publishing/marketing a game don't understand the industry, but you do?

loco145

top 10 selling games of 2009

1 Wii Sports Nintendo 18,916,589

2 Wii Sports Resort Nintendo 11,833,871

3 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo 9,257,731

4 Wii Fit Nintendo 9,178,083

5 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 8,533,184

6 Wii Fit Plus Nintendo 7,600,738

7 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 7,286,885

8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 5,854,861

9 Wii Play Nintendo 5,524,438

10

They must be right, Nintendo will suddenly die in 2010, like it should in 2006, 2007, etc...

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"] if they included games that were confirmed to be released in 2010 , mario and metroid and even zelda should be there they were all confirmed by nintendo of course they might get pushed back to 2011, but so might halo reach considering NSMBwii sold more then modern warfare its pritty logical to assume it will likely be very close on top of that listloco145

I agree with much of the article. Based on you comments, it would seem that may it's you that's out of touch with reality.

The Wii IS a dangerous place for third parties. And Dead Space and Darkside Chronicles ARE prime examples of this.... as are MadWorld and No More Heroes. Critically well-received but all sold rather poorly. What reason is there for a dev to put so much effort into games that not enough people are supporting? What sells well? Wii Sports Resort. Wii Fit. Mario.

I don't see anything wrong with their predictions either. Although I may not agree 100%, their opinions aren't too far off from my own. Sorry. GT5 will sell pretty well, but the racing sim genre is niche. It is not a system selling blockbuster. It's a fan-driven game that has long legs, carrying it through several years. However, next year, I wouldn't expect it to sell like gangbusters in the way Halo or Modern Warfare will sell.

VoodooHak

Really now? Oh yeah, your right, The Haze and Lair developers died on the Wii, damn you Wi!!! Come on now, first off, NMH is Suda51's best selling game and he said he was happy with the sales. Second, Dead Space and DSC are not that great, and both (to me) are a quick cash in, please feel free to proof me wrong. though Also, would it hurt these publishers to promote the game, not one ad have I seen for any of them or once in a while. It's like they think that releasing a game that almost next to no advertisement will sell.

By the way, great read Artic.

it did outsell it and im not talking about all 3 consoles vs 1 becouse that would be unfair on every sales chart they are listed separately look it up on wikipedia not to mention many people allready posted it Half-Way

Umm...what? Are you talking about Chris Cramer? I'm really confused about what you're saying here.

Teufelhuhn

I don't know the name of the guy. But he gave an interview at Gametrailers where he said how crappy the wii market was and how great was the HD one. His company, Grin, got closed a few months later due to economic problems caused by mass flopping of their games.

i dont really get why we are still talking about this the picture is totally clear just look at the 2009 sells charts the fact that MW2 sold less then NSMB and its still on the 2010 chart those "professionals" madeHalf-Way

Second, Dead Space and DSC are not that great, and both are a quick cash in, please feel free to proof me wrong.

ShuichiChamp24

So what, when people say they don't mind to see advertisments. Listing popular games only in an article comes down to one concusion, $$$Money$$$. Actually Industry doesn't relate to fun at all.

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Second, Dead Space and DSC are not that great, and both are a quick cash in, please feel free to proof me wrong.

Teufelhuhn

Dead Space is not a cash-in by any means. It is probably one of the best rail shooters to ever be created, but it wasn't marketed well and the Wii demographic hasn't been very good to rail shooters and the horror genre (except maybe RE4) so it tanked at retail.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

Second, Dead Space and DSC are not that great, and both are a quick cash in, please feel free to proof me wrong.

Teufelhuhn

I played both of them and really, I regret paying full price for them. Capcom, if i'm not mistaken, said there next RE game would be a true RE, not another rail shooter. The camera for that game is really bad at time, makes setting up shots nearly impossible. I'm not saying they are horrible game, but maybe if they put half the time and effort they put on the other systems we would not be having this conversation.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]it did outsell it and im not talking about all 3 consoles vs 1 becouse that would be unfair on every sales chart they are listed separately look it up on wikipedia not to mention many people allready posted it Teufelhuhn

artic needs to sign up for a gaf account lol, this seems like gaf material more then system wars

also they pointed out that there are not nintendo games on this list

artic needs to sign up for a gaf account lol, this seems like gaf material more then system wars

also they pointed out that there are not nintendo games on this list

njean777

Honestly, you are overreacting. The industry has problems, as does everything human, but overall it's doing well. rolo107

What he said.

Who ever wrote that article clearly had no idea what they were writing about

Every business sector cut jobs last year, not the studio's fault

I made a thread on this yesterday, but I like the extra info about dev closures on yours better :D

Personally, I dont think it matters which specific industry insiders are serveyed, everyone remotely connected to the industry must acknowledge that Nintendo is going to hold most of the top spots when it comes to a best sellers list, with a sprinkling of Call of Duty, Halo a,d GT.

From the other thread:

top 10 selling games of 2009

1 Wii Sports Nintendo 18,916,589

2 Wii Sports Resort Nintendo 11,833,871

3 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo 9,257,731

4 Wii Fit Nintendo 9,178,083

5 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 8,533,184

6 Wii Fit Plus Nintendo 7,600,738

7 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 7,286,885

8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 5,854,861

9 Wii Play Nintendo 5,524,438

10 Pokémon Platinum Version Nintendo 4,418,259

expect sth similar in 2010.

SamiRDuran

Does the industry really expect that much to change through 2010? Only blind fanboys would continue to downplay the Wii in sales, if not in anything else, but thats what the industry is doing.

TC makes a fair point. In a time of recession, devs are more willing than ever to bail out two expensive consoles with software that is exceedingly expensive to develop.

TC makes a fair point. In a time of recession, devs are more willing than ever to bail out two expensive consoles with software that is exceedingly expensive to develop.

eveileb-ekam

Oh really? Which devs in particular? I haven't heard any recently mention that they'd like to trade 3 platforms for one where the userbase is hard to pin down, and where you have to compete with the mighty Nintendo Juggernaut.

IMO TC is taking too much from a survey they could be taken by a population of EA Janitors, but I'll say my thoughts on the list itself briefly:

- I can understand no-handhelds since it'd be a different market and they sell for less

- Definitely would have had SMG2 on there instead of GoWIII, ME2, BS2 etc...

- The "Wii ---" games would probably have been dismissed by the "voters" possibly because they consider them more software toys or they're more seen as accessories to the Wii console itself by the general non-gamer consumer.

- GT5 should be higher, but it probably didn't get votes because other than Prologue, the series has been in limbo this gen...

I personally think that too much is being taken from a survey we don't know about, but gaming sites in general aim their news at what gets them traffic from their audience (gamers) and most of that "core" (lol) gamer crowd doesn't really care if Wii Sports is receiving a balance patch in the next month. They're simply not interested in it and the sites on the internet reflect this. :)

Soooooo the people who are in the industry and actually go through the process of developing/publishing/marketing a game don't understand the industry, but you do?

Teufelhuhn

You think that because I am not in the industry I have to accept that they are correct? Sorry but thaat is a poor argument Teuf.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Soooooo the people who are in the industry and actually go through the process of developing/publishing/marketing a game don't understand the industry, but you do?

ActicEdge

You think that because I am not in the industry I have to accept that they are correct? Sorry but thaat is a poor argument Teuf.

Not surprising since gamers treat reviewers as the know-all of gaming.

[QUOTE="loco145"]

Explain their "best selling" list when 2009 looks like this:

They must be right, Nintendo will suddenly die in 2010, like it should in 2006, 2007, etc...

Teufelhuhn

Wait, who said this was all I was basing this theory off of? I sure as hell didn't. I used this as an example of being out of touch with reality. There are many many more.

List speaks for itself. I hope you aren't actually trying to feed me this innocent mistake bit. I really hope you aren't. The amount of valid reasons that I can come up with are incredibly small. Also, what kind of public list runs under hidden criteria?

Confirmed games have release dates, not every game on that list has a release date. Sorry.

About your first point: I have no idea why people believe or care about the gaming media. Probably the same people who obsess over celebrities. *shrugs* You are correct in that they simply say what they think is the popular response and what they would like to see happen. It really is a bunch of nonsense all around.

Bigboi500

win, especially when you consider this is a 'survey'. who are they surveying and why are their perspectives pertinent? how do they represent 'the industry' as a whole? for all we know they reviewed the treyarch guys while they were stoned, and e-mailed one of power stone's art directors and called it a day.

then again i have nothing vested in 'the industry', and consider gaming 'journalism' of any format to be of about rock-bottom in terms of legitimacy right next to tabloids. i wouldnt particularly care if video gaming in general collapsed wholesale tomorrow, as long as my games still worked.

There is no way pokemon, or new super mario bros wii is not going to be on that list. Modern warfare 2 won't have close to the legs of new super mario bros wii. It is inherent bias and stupidity. I will say that outside of halo reach call of duty 7, starcraft 2, and gran turismo 5. All of those games will not make top 10 which will all be wii casual games. Gameindustry.biz made a stupid top 10 list.

I agree with you TC.

I heard about Deadspace: Extraction, and thought, "rail shooter, um, really? That's their big feature. A rail shooter." Granted, some people really like rail shooters, and good for them I say, but I just don't think that many people are really into rail shooters. I'm not.

I'm curious as to how Mass Effect 2 can be an expected big seller and a dark horse at the same time. That sort of defies the point surely.

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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Nice post Actic. I thibk you speak for many about how these rail shooters like DS:E and RE:DSC on the Wii tanking should be a reason why companies shouldn't support the Wii.

I also think it's ridiculous to see no Nintendo first party game on that list and also to see Gran Turismo only at number 10.

EDIT: People it really isn't a long read. :|

Greyfeld

Its only like 4 paragraphs with a hell of a lot of links to make a point. But thank you. This thread is about the things the industry does that people just brush off as fine or correct. There is a problem when rail shooters are suppose to be this hardcore marketable genre that sells millions.

The problem is, is rail shooter a popular genre today....

That's the problem. Nobody is saying that rail shooters aren't a core game....But if you put a rail shooter on the HD consoles, would it sell? I would say it would bomb even harder than on the Wii! It's a genre that had seen better days and have very little fanbase left.....and yet, developers and publishers STILL think they can shove it down our throats...Judging by bad Dead Space and RE: DSC sales....I would say they had a wake up call....And are just refusing to see it.

thats the problem its not just games like Deadspace and RE: Darkside chronicles poor sales that make people think that nobody buys games for the Wii. Its stuff like Murmasa the Demonblade, Mad World and Little King story getting trounced by games like Wii Fit . The fact is gamers dont buy the Wii and as far as quality games go it has the worst lineup of any succesful console in history.

I made a thread on this yesterday, but I like the extra info about dev closures on yours better :D

Personally, I dont think it matters which specific industry insiders are serveyed, everyone remotely connected to the industry must acknowledge that Nintendo is going to hold most of the top spots when it comes to a best sellers list, with a sprinkling of Call of Duty, Halo a,d GT.

From the other thread:

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

top 10 selling games of 2009

1 Wii Sports Nintendo 18,916,589

2 Wii Sports Resort Nintendo 11,833,871

3 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo 9,257,731

4 Wii Fit Nintendo 9,178,083

5 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 8,533,184

6 Wii Fit Plus Nintendo 7,600,738

7 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 7,286,885

8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 5,854,861

9 Wii Play Nintendo 5,524,438

10 Pokémon Platinum Version Nintendo 4,418,259

expect sth similar in 2010.

eveileb-ekam

Does the industry really expect that much to change through 2010? Only blind fanboys would continue to downplay the Wii in sales, if not in anything else, but thats what the industry is doing.

TC makes a fair point. In a time of recession, devs are more willing than ever to bail out two expensive consoles with software that is exceedingly expensive to develop.

So you think its somehow good that almost every game in that list is a crappy low rated title that comes with a prephrial? Is that what the industry needs? Low quality garbage and gimmicks?

I don't get it, if it was so freaking obvious that the Wii is a good market for third parties, why are they ignoring it? why are nintendo fans right and third parties wrong? what makes you think that you know about the gaming market more than they do?

nintendo fans keep saying "What the hell is wrong with third parties, they're missing out on the Wii", but if it was that simple and easy, then why are they not supporting it? I mean there has to be a reason.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

I made a thread on this yesterday, but I like the extra info about dev closures on yours better :D

Personally, I dont think it matters which specific industry insiders are serveyed, everyone remotely connected to the industry must acknowledge that Nintendo is going to hold most of the top spots when it comes to a best sellers list, with a sprinkling of Call of Duty, Halo a,d GT.

From the other thread:

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

top 10 selling games of 2009

1 Wii Sports Nintendo 18,916,589

2 Wii Sports Resort Nintendo 11,833,871

3 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo 9,257,731

4 Wii Fit Nintendo 9,178,083

5 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 8,533,184

6 Wii Fit Plus Nintendo 7,600,738

7 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 7,286,885

8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Activision 5,854,861

9 Wii Play Nintendo 5,524,438

10 Pokémon Platinum Version Nintendo 4,418,259

expect sth similar in 2010.

TheSterls

Does the industry really expect that much to change through 2010? Only blind fanboys would continue to downplay the Wii in sales, if not in anything else, but thats what the industry is doing.

TC makes a fair point. In a time of recession, devs are more willing than ever to bail out two expensive consoles with software that is exceedingly expensive to develop.

So you think its somehow good that almost every game in that list is a crappy low rated title that comes with a prephrial? Is that what the industry needs? Low quality garbage and gimmicks?