The gap is widening

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

If you play games because of graphics you should rather not game on the consoles at all. The graphical difference was huge already when Crysis came out.

gillri

i had a monster PC when Crysis came out and struggled to get 15FPS on 'high' settings, no PC could run it well enough for it to be playable

Uncharted 2, God Of war 3, killzone 2 has some of the best visuals on any platform, hence they won most of the best graphics awards in their repsective years, I playd GOW3 again the other day and it looks staggeringly good

its the 'talent' that primarily makes the game look good and not the 'hardware', hardware is only a tool and while it can certainly aid and help graphics, it is not the be all and end all by any means

which is why Skyrim looks half a gen better than Oblivion on the same hardware,

A "MONSTER" PC at Crysis's release ran it fine at high settings. People who were lucky enough to SLI a pair of 8800GTs ran it fine on Very High with no mods. Heck you only needed one to run it at good frames on high. So yeah, you are 100% wrong there.

Visuals yes they are great but they are by no means real technical marvels. And no that is not why. They were not the absolute best. 2007 was Crysis, 2008 was Crysis Warhead, 2009 was Cryostasis, ARMA II, or Shattered Horizon. 2010 was Metro 2033 or ARMA II: Operation Arrowhead (Both games were criminally robbed of their rewards too.) 2011 will be Battlefield 3. So why did other titles win? Because they base it off best looking "for the tech thats available to the respective platform."

You can't demonstrate your technology is there is no one who can put it together well to show it off. Yet your artistic visions will always be limited to the hardware you develop for and more powerful hardware brings in more ways to do things, ect. Both are equally important. None is more important than the other. That is why a technical horsepower can be held back from poor design, while console games would look terrible if it wasn't for people who knew how to create objects, textures, ect. All the little things make a huge difference.

Skyrim looks better than Oblivion (Maybe not modded PC Oblivion though) because they understand the hardware better. They've had what, 6-7 years to mess around with console hardware now and about 3 games using the same engine. They also aren't SpeedTreeing the whole thing with 5 different trees and putting in dungeons because they can. Now that they've had time to code and develop for console hardware and much, much more powerful PC hardware is out, they can focus putting more effort into the art department.

[QUOTE="gillri"]

the question is why do people continue to even buy the latest hardware? I havent upgraded for 2 years and dont need to...well until the next gen of consoles comes out, it just isnt needed unless you like counting frames per second and seeing what ridiculous resolutions you can attain on a little 24 inch monitor

720p looks great on my 50 inch TV, so why do you need 2560 by 1900 on a 24 inch!? it boggles the mind

cain006

First of all, I've never seen a monitor with resolution, you probably mean 2560x1440 or 1600. And monitors with that high of a resolution are usually 30". And the difference between those resolutions and 720p is a huge difference, games look much better from 720p to 1080p, and 1440p is an even bigger jump.

Sure if the game actually supports that res...In some cases going too far up in resoltion will cause the graphics to look worse.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="gillri"]

the question is why do people continue to even buy the latest hardware? I havent upgraded for 2 years and dont need to...well until the next gen of consoles comes out, it just isnt needed unless you like counting frames per second and seeing what ridiculous resolutions you can attain on a little 24 inch monitor

720p looks great on my 50 inch TV, so why do you need 2560 by 1900 on a 24 inch!? it boggles the mind

VanDammFan

First of all, I've never seen a monitor with resolution, you probably mean 2560x1440 or 1600. And monitors with that high of a resolution are usually 30". And the difference between those resolutions and 720p is a huge difference, games look much better from 720p to 1080p, and 1440p is an even bigger jump.

Sure if the game actually supports that res...In some cases going too far up in resoltion will cause the graphics to look worse.

Any modern game from 2005~ supports that res. Its been part of graphical benchmarks and many rave about the quality.

Too bad its a huge f'ing performance hog and it requires dual link DVI for 60hz.

I'm happy with current consoles staying till 2015 whih means the cost will go down and more devs will jump to make games on consoles which will result in more unique games.

Despite what TC might be thinking, there will still be a demand for story-driven single player games, in which case crysis 2 is not and bf3 will not be, regardless of how good the game will turn out. Demand for console games is not going diminish despite whatever wise notions you think you may have obtained from being able to run crysis 2 with whatever graphical settings on to give you something to flaunt.

I'm happy with current consoles staying till 2015 whih means the cost will go down and more devs will jump to make games on consoles which will result in more unique games.

Kashiwaba

Unless all three companies take the Wii route , which would mean basically use their previous hardware with a good overclock, then don't expect cheaper hardware. Expect the same 300-400 bucks model. I don't think Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft (Well maybe MS) would be willing to invest in an entirely new gimmick to sell old, outdated hardware. Do you really want four more years of this gen going on? Guarentee if you're an active gamer you'd get tired by next year before the release of Modern Warfare 4/Black Ops 2. Oh well, this is only gonna lead to more people converting to PC. So I'm happy with it staying that way too. Except for Nintendo. They need a new console that crushes PS3/360 and not just an overclocked version of them. They'd dominate the market.

Plus, cheaper development costs attract more shovelware developers. Do we really need more Barbie's Horseback Riding or Hello Kitty Island Adventure on consoles or PC?

Actually the gap is closing, see how Crysis 2 looks on consoles, puts the best PC graphics in shame

killzoneded

Most PC games come on DVD. DVD is 90's tech. That's why a game like Crysis can be beautiful on one end but on the other end have redundant textures limited animations and limited enviornments. Can't complain about consoles having "2005" tech when most PC games are using a storage format from 1997.

Pray_to_me

I like all the consoles. And I agree the PC is an undying soul in the game industry... But it doesn't get the same hype as new consoles do :P

Lots of people think that the only way gaming is going to change is with better err more advanced hardware. There is so much more that can be done with this gen and previous generations to gaming. Does creativity stop when a system reaches four years old? It's like people think the only way there is going to be new stuff is with new hardware. And this is wrong.LOXO7

What if someones vision is ultra-realistic detailed racing game that the user will enjoy at say, 4k2k resolution, and run at 120fps for 3D?

Kinda like what the creator of GT5 wanted to do. His standards wern't that high, but its clear from multiple articles GT5 is NOT what he wanted it to be. You can only push the hardware so far.

Different developers need different requirements for their games. Developers could go for Crysis or Killzone 3, or they can go for Super Meat Boy and Minecraft. Theres many different ways to make different genres of games. These advances don't come with old hardware. Hardware progresses and so does creativity due to being able to make more stuff. So no, your statement is completely wrong.

So much fail in this thread, it almost cost me a heart attack.

Data is data, consisting of ones and zeros. Which means it doesn't matter what you store it on. You could technically load Crysis from 200 cassette tapes and get the same graphics. PCs have BD-drives but there is no point in using them for games. Why should you when DVD-drives are faster. PCs don't stream data from the disc drive anyway, data loads from the HDD.

A powerful PC of todays standard is not three times as powerful as the consoles. I think you might want to increase that number five times to get the picture.

The gap is huge. Some of you mentioned Crysis 2. Crysis 2 on consoles is running on low settings compared to PC and the PC version will run 1080P+ and 60+ fps. If that isn't a huge difference then what is?

The gap is huge. Some of you mentioned Crysis 2. Crysis 2 on consoles is running on low settings compared to PC and the PC version will run 1080P+ and 60+ fps. If that isn't a huge difference then what is?

fireballonfire

The problem here is that people are expecting SNES -> N64 again. Its already happened with PCs. It just didn't happen the way people expected it too. Theres many contributing factors as to why games are "5 times better looking, ect" and its hard to nail the single, biggest factor. Most would probably agree though, that its because the hardware isn't being used to its full potential as its being developed for weak hardware first. Developers have little to no passion or drive to take advantage of the vastly more powerful hardware and technology. So now a days its the massive resolution advantage that PC has always had and consoles will probably never match, among other things. Then theres also the massive performance increase. A decent 150 bucks video card will push 200+ frames at 720p and 120+ at 1080p and higher resolutions with games like Modern Warfare 2. Thats being maxed out with 16xAF and 8xAA. Consoles struggle with maintaining 50-60FPS at the sub-HD resolution it runs at with what, 2xAA? It runs at about 600p if I remember correctly. I'll just stop here now.

Crysis 2 was actually ripped apart from both the leaked beta and console demos. Its a modified medium setting. This was pretty much confirmed when the leaked beta got out and had CryEngine 3 Sandbox with it. The main difference was the distance detail/AF at medium settings plus some other slight differences.

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="T_0_D"]

I don't know if this is your first generation gaming or not but this happens towards the end of every consoles generation...with few exceptions consoles are not upgradable (32X and Sega CD not withstanding). Hence there visuals will be limited greatly by the hardware designed in the beginning. When the next generation of consoles launches they will be on par with PC's from that time frame.

edidili

Do you expect from a multiplat to look leagues ahead on the PC? Multiplats are made to run on consoles with a few graphical tweaks on PC. What blockbuster PC exclusive we had lately? Only Shogun 2 and it does look leagues ahead from console games. Is just massive.

THIS is exactly what I mean, today games are made FIRST on PC again and ported over to consoles instead of the other way around .

i couldnt care bout better animations, graphics or physics cause im happy with what we are being offered already so current consoles to me arent really redundant anyway i just enjoy playing games end of..Graphics and teh power are 2 things that dont intrest me in the slightest.

I mean cmon im playing Race Pro right now and it looks really dated but i love it to death for its realism.

So long as developers continue to stagnate progress by continuing to target console specification, the gap won't seem as big.

Console gamers truly have no idea how big the gap is right now, because PC isn't being utilized most of the time, even in Crysis 2's case. It's reached a point were I'm sticking some cross platform games up to 2560x1600 to downscale from WITH AA, just for that little extra boost to visual quality.

I like all the consoles. And I agree the PC is an undying soul in the game industry... But it doesn't get the same hype as new consoles do :P

urfaceisanapkin

With their multi-million dollar marketing campaigns, I'm not surprised.

Up until 2011 everyone is right that PC hasn't used its potency, and yes, great games will probably pop out the next years on consoles . But I don't agree that the focus will stay this way, because Microsoft is going hardcore for Kinect and Nintendo and Sony are going to focus much resources on handheld gaming . Also the Japanese horror that occurred this month isn't going to help them, although many gaming studios aren't located in Japan .

It is interesting however that the PC public uses mods more and more these days . Off course this happened also the time I played Quake 1, but the audience has expanded much since those days . Games become more interesting these days due to mods . The gap wassmall the last years, and I did play DOOM on the SNES (so funny killing big pixel jelly stuff that turned out to be a Cyber Demon years later when I tried the game on PC !) so I know how big the gap was in the nineties . But that's not the question here, the thing is the gap is widening again and once the focus changes and people switch over to PC gaming again, the gap can widen really fast ! Then 2015 for console gamers is really far away !!

Consoles are 2-3 gens behind right now imo and will only get be a bigger gap by 2015 when the new console(s) come out.

Me and a friend were talking about this the other day, playing the best looking console games (uncharted2, Heavy Rain,etc..) now look like generations behind compared to his new computer playing games such as Metro, Crysis1, Crysis2, Shogun Total War2, Stalker series, ARMA2 and many more. Hell, even Mirrors Edge maxed on PC looks better then the best console games.

I enjoy both PC and console gaming and Uncharted2 and Heavy rain are two of my fav games this gen but the graphics are nowhere near the level of a decent pc.

Play multiplat games like Just Cause2, Mirrors Edge, Crysis2, Dragon Age Origins and many others on a good PC and one of the consoles and your jaw should hit the floor. And if its not crazy improvement in graphics then its tons of mods or runs ALOT better (ala Team Fortress2, a fast paced game that runs at 60-120 FPS on PC and only 30FPS limit on consoles. Some games just NEED more FPS imo).

Imagine how hard it would be to get a game like Shogun2, ARMA2 or Stalker Clear Sky on the current Consoles? it would be on like ultra low settings if even that.

Love my consoles but the gap is starting to show WAY more then previous console gens.

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

Actually the gap is closing, see how Crysis 2 looks on consoles, puts the best PC graphics in shame

Franky-the-bat

Is the gap really "that" big between consoles and PCs? (please don't use crysis as an example).nintendo-4life

PS3 started bringing in profit since last year. :|ZippySlappy

Alright, but the losses the years before (zillions of dollars) haven't been recovered .

actually the gap is closing. :P Well, the tech is there, but until games are optimized as much for pc as they are for their consoles counterparts, then the gap will be pretty much the same. It does seem to be lowering with the amount of devs moving to consoles.emperorzhang66

No, it WAS closing, but no more !!!

If graphics was all anybody cared about, the Wii wouldn't be making the killing it still is today, 4+ years after its launch.

If graphics was all anybody cared about, the Wii wouldn't be making the killing it still is today, 4+ years after its launch.

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

If graphics was all anybody cared about, the Wii wouldn't be making the killing it still is today, 4+ years after its launch.

SuperFlakeman

I'm gonna leave you with something to think about, here

[QUOTE="ZippySlappy"]PS3 started bringing in profit since last year. :|zekere

Alright, but the losses the years before (zillions of dollars) haven't been recovered .

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

If graphics was all anybody cared about, the Wii wouldn't be making the killing it still is today, 4+ years after its launch.

coreybg

I'm gonna leave you with something to think about, here

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"] Wii > 360 > PS3 > PC and DS > PSP. This is how it is sales wise. (PC ofc being software, you can't count PC's sold that didn't have gaming in mind) The interesting part about this is that you'll get the most powerfull to least powerfull hardware order if you reverse the arrows.SuperFlakeman

I'm gonna leave you with something to think about, here

Riiight, 99.9%.

Seeing as how we're playing assumptions here, I'm gonna say that 99.9% of console software sales is shovelware.

No need for proof, when you put numbers in your post it's all legit.

wow, who would have guessed that technology advances and that consoless stay at a specific point. OMG thank you captain obvious.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"][QUOTE="coreybg"]

I'm gonna leave you with something to think about, here

coreybg

Riiight, 99.9%.

Seeing as how we're playing assumptions here, I'm gonna say that 99.9% of console software sales is shovelware.

No need for proof, when you put numbers in your post it's all legit.

I'm not saying PC gaming is dead, but console games 'most likely' sells more than retail and DD PC combined. Most likely because we don't have the actual figures, but we get a rough estimate by counting the number of steam accounts. This is why I put it at last spot sales wise. Wouldn't you?SuperFlakeman

But wait a minute, you put all the consoles against PC? Wii + 360 + ps3 > PC therefor PC is the last? You don't follow the same logic with the other platforms. You do not say Wii + PC + 360 > ps3 therefor ps3 is the last.

Ah I don't care about facebook games and the likes sorry, nor any app game on Iphone for that matter. 99.9% of them are shovelware, it's not that they're "casual" that bothers me, it's just garbage. As the article stated there are no figures for steam as Valve won't release them. However you can count the number of accounts and that gives you a rough estimation about the userbase (you still have to take multi accounts into consideration and such factors) which was 25 mill last time I checked. 150 DS's out there, 60 PSP, 85 Wii, you get the picture. And Steam is by far the main DD games distributor right? I'm just purely looking at multiplat sales; compare any console CoD game and such with the sales of PC versions. However it's hard to do that nowadays thanks to NPD clumping them together :/SuperFlakeman

I haven't sensed this much fail in one post in a very long time. And 'those 99.9%' is bull you pulled out of you know were. I also suppose you aren't aware of how many quality F2P MMOs 'n F2P FPSs are there out there right (for example over 50 million people worldwide play PW, on all versions combined, there's also hundreats upon hundreats of MMOsPLUS the P2P ones out there, now why don't you make a estimate again, and simply comprehend the massive community that is PC gaming, also count in current gen. mainstream MP games like WoW 'n BO)

Let me read your mind for a bit (it's a gift, i can read fanboy minds). You'll consider them 'showelware' also as if you can even comprehend what that term is. I haven't even heard of facebook games until some sensitive console fanboys started throwing that around.

Check the definition of what shovelware is at least before posting crap.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]I'm not saying PC gaming is dead, but console games 'most likely' sells more than retail and DD PC combined. Most likely because we don't have the actual figures, but we get a rough estimate by counting the number of steam accounts. This is why I put it at last spot sales wise. Wouldn't you?edidili

But wait a minute, you put all the consoles against PC? Wii + 360 + ps3 > PC therefor PC is the last? You don't follow the same logic with the other platforms. You do not say Wii + PC + 360 > ps3 therefor ps3 is the last.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]I'm not saying PC gaming is dead, but console games 'most likely' sells more than retail and DD PC combined. Most likely because we don't have the actual figures, but we get a rough estimate by counting the number of steam accounts. This is why I put it at last spot sales wise. Wouldn't you?SuperFlakeman

But wait a minute, you put all the consoles against PC? Wii + 360 + ps3 > PC therefor PC is the last? You don't follow the same logic with the other platforms. You do not say Wii + PC + 360 > ps3 therefor ps3 is the last.

Why don't you prove the opposite? Since you were the one who started that argument :)

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]Ah I don't care about facebook games and the likes sorry, nor any app game on Iphone for that matter. 99.9% of them are shovelware, it's not that they're "casual" that bothers me, it's just garbage. As the article stated there are no figures for steam as Valve won't release them. However you can count the number of accounts and that gives you a rough estimation about the userbase (you still have to take multi accounts into consideration and such factors) which was 25 mill last time I checked. 150 DS's out there, 60 PSP, 85 Wii, you get the picture. And Steam is by far the main DD games distributor right? I'm just purely looking at multiplat sales; compare any console CoD game and such with the sales of PC versions. However it's hard to do that nowadays thanks to NPD clumping them together :/Lucianu

I haven't sensed this much fail in one post in a very long time. And 'those 99.9%' is bull you pulled out of you know were. I also suppose you aren't aware of how many quality F2P MMOs 'n F2P FPSs are there out there right (for example over 50 million people worldwide play PW, on all versions combined, there's also hundreats upon hundreats of MMOs PLUS the P2P ones out there, now why don't you make a estimate again, and simply comprehend the massive community that is PC gaming, also count in current gen. mainstream MP games like WoW 'n BO)

Let me read your mind for a bit (it's a gift, i can read fanboy minds). You'll consider them 'showelware' also as if you can even comprehend what that term is. I haven't even heard of facebook games until some sensitive console fanboys started throwing that around.

Check the definition of what shovelware is at least before posting crap.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]I'm not saying PC gaming is dead, but console games 'most likely' sells more than retail and DD PC combined. Most likely because we don't have the actual figures, but we get a rough estimate by counting the number of steam accounts. This is why I put it at last spot sales wise. Wouldn't you?SuperFlakeman

But wait a minute, you put all the consoles against PC? Wii + 360 + ps3 > PC therefor PC is the last? You don't follow the same logic with the other platforms. You do not say Wii + PC + 360 > ps3 therefor ps3 is the last.

The mmo industry alone will destroy one of your consoles dude. You may call some of these mmos shovelware but that's what I call most of wii games like fit and other crap too.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"][QUOTE="edidili"]

But wait a minute, you put all the consoles against PC? Wii + 360 + ps3 > PC therefor PC is the last? You don't follow the same logic with the other platforms. You do not say Wii + PC + 360 > ps3 therefor ps3 is the last.

coreybg

Why don't you prove the opposite? Since you were the one who started that argument :)

Lol console fanboys playing the "facebook games" card. :lol:

Perfect World you say? Never even heard of it, and yeah free gaming is really the way to go, that would mean the end of this industry.SuperFlakeman

'Free gaming' isn't free, if you would know anything of the F2P sketch, you would understand that. How do you think the companies that own the F2P games make money? I was honestly expected a better response for argument's sake... damn.

So you just gonna ignore anything that disproves your incredibly eronated point of view, and put games that disprove your post in your horribly bad definition of 'shovelware'. Oh by the way, how about backing up everything you said, at least i provided links, you provided nothing except laughs, son. But doesn't that make your entire reasoning of posting irrelevant .. ?

I've got no problem with that though, i love a good laugh, keep on it.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"] Perfect World you say? Never even heard of it, and yeah free gaming is really the way to go, that would mean the end of this industry.Lucianu

'Free gaming' isn't free, if you would know anything of the F2P sketch, you would understand that. How do you think the companies that own the F2P games make money? I was honestly expected a better response for argument's sake... damn.

So you just gonna ignore anything that disproves your incredibly eronated point of view, and put games that disprove your post in your horribly bad definition of 'shovelware'. Oh by the way, how about backing up everything you said, at least i provided links, you provided nothing except laughs, son. But doesn't that make your entire reasoning of posting irrelevant .. ?

I've got no problem with that though, i love a good laugh, keep on it.

Well comparing PC to consoles is basically comparing 2005 tech with 2011. Makes no sense.

lucky_star

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"] Perfect World you say? Never even heard of it, and yeah free gaming is really the way to go, that would mean the end of this industry.SuperFlakeman

'Free gaming' isn't free, if you would know anything of the F2P sketch, you would understand that. How do you think the companies that own the F2P games make money? I was honestly expected a better response for argument's sake... damn.

So you just gonna ignore anything that disproves your incredibly eronated point of view, and put games that disprove your post in your horribly bad definition of 'shovelware'. Oh by the way, how about backing up everything you said, at least i provided links, you provided nothing except laughs, son. But doesn't that make your entire reasoning of posting irrelevant .. ?

I've got no problem with that though, i love a good laugh, keep on it.

You are the one who started talking about facebook games.....

Also, steam may be the biggest DD, but it's NOT the only DD.

I know how many steam accounts there are (roughly 25 mill last time I checked, valve announced that) and all the PC retail games are being accounted for in NPD data for example. How do you even compare MMO's and F2P with traditional games anyway? Do you count their userbase or revenues? :S I'm not saying they don't exist, I just want to compare traditional gaming across platforms. Simple as this: PS360PC multiplats generally sell way more on consoles. Why should we talk about app-like games and facebook games or other types of platforms? As they aren't measureable. SuperFlakeman

Because excluding points that do need to be excluded for the sake of one point of view, makes that point of view eronated. And please, were exactly did i say anything about facebook games? Or app-like games.. Flash games as a whole, or fundamentaly games that you can play on the internet, though they are legitimit games, i excluded them myself and counted only games that which data can be found on the HDD.

I can see you aren't gonna add any ad hominems to your posts, so i'm not gonna do that either now. (it's a good thing btw, check what it means if you don't know).

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Lots of people think that the only way gaming is going to change is with better err more advanced hardware. There is so much more that can be done with this gen and previous generations to gaming. Does creativity stop when a system reaches four years old? It's like people think the only way there is going to be new stuff is with new hardware. And this is wrong.ChubbyGuy40

What if someones vision is ultra-realistic detailed racing game that the user will enjoy at say, 4k2k resolution, and run at 120fps for 3D?

Kinda like what the creator of GT5 wanted to do. His standards wern't that high, but its clear from multiple articles GT5 is NOT what he wanted it to be. You can only push the hardware so far.

Different developers need different requirements for their games. Developers could go for Crysis or Killzone 3, or they can go for Super Meat Boy and Minecraft. Theres many different ways to make different genres of games. These advances don't come with old hardware. Hardware progresses and so does creativity due to being able to make more stuff. So no, your statement is completely wrong.

To this point I'd have to ask, is the developer who only views graphical progression really progressing the industry as much as say, the developer of Minecraft, or the those that developed Amnesia? Crysis's graphics were far more talked about than its gameplay, which boggles the mind. The Witcher 1 looks rough as hell, and despite some hilarious quirks, probably has some of the best character development of a RPG.

I still say there is too much focus on graphical innovation, while story, gameplay, AI and physics all tend to be ignored. Crysis has been graphics king since 2007, yet argubably a 2006 game (FEAR) still has some of the most impressive AI to date. And yet this board rarely mentions the latter because it's no graphics king material.

[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

Well there's more to games than pretty visuals.

I honestly think consoles will still be very competitive (in terms of demand at least) because I suspect many gamers would rather just insert a game and play straight away rather than download drivers, remove conflicting software, possibly overclock your GPU, and fiddle with the settings before you get a stable game.

Convenience is highly attractive.

tenaka2

You have obviously never install anything on a pc. ever.

I lol'd..a lot.

I was primarily a PC gamer up until a few years ago, but still game now and then on the oldies.

The point I was making is that consoles are simply very, very convinient. You put the game in and play. Throughout the entire lifespan of that console you'll never have to upgrade in order to play games or worry about whether your current specs will run the game, whereas with the PC that's not always the case.

I'm not saying consoles are somehow better than PCs, I'm just giving a reason as to why consoles will remain competitive.