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#101 SkaRy_RuLeZ
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Considering Crysis is still the most technically advanced game on the PC, the gap hasn't widened at all since 2007. Nice try tho.

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#102 savagetwinkie
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I honestly don't care about PC hardware, there is no point in comparing a PC to a an actual system, a PC isn't a system really, it doesn't have any set specs to compare to a console. so why would we try and compare interchangeable hardware to fixed hardware? Regardless consoles are far more cost effective at what they do, and all these advancements means that the next set of consoles is going to be that much better.
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#103 savagetwinkie
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Considering Crysis is still the most technically advanced game on the PC, the gap hasn't widened at all since 2007. Nice try tho.

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its not though, if you say most technically advanced its crysis 2, if your looking at the end result only then its subjective, if you aren't using mods more then likely crysis 2 will win.
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#104 ChubbyGuy40
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I honestly don't care about PC hardware, there is no point in comparing a PC to a an actual system, a PC isn't a system really, it doesn't have any set specs to compare to a console. so why would we try and compare interchangeable hardware to fixed hardware? Regardless consoles are far more cost effective at what they do, and all these advancements means that the next set of consoles is going to be that much better.savagetwinkie

If you count outside of gaming...wouldn't a PC be millions of times more practical and worth the money than a console?

Even regarding just gaming, wouldn't PC win with the sheer amount of games it has? Browser, its current log and backlog, ect.

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#105 CwlHeddwyn
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Actually the gap is closing, see how Crysis 2 looks on consoles, puts the best PC graphics in shame

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Crysis 2 looks good on X360. But played on a high-end PC gaming rig it will look a LOT better.
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#106 DreamCryotank
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

Well there's more to games than pretty visuals.

I honestly think consoles will still be very competitive (in terms of demand at least) because I suspect many gamers would rather just insert a game and play straight away rather than download drivers, remove conflicting software, possibly overclock your GPU, and fiddle with the settings before you get a stable game.

Convenience is highly attractive.

KlepticGrooves

You have obviously never install anything on a pc. ever.

I lol'd..a lot.

I was primarily a PC gamer up until a few years ago, but still game now and then on the oldies.

The point I was making is that consoles are simply very, very convinient. You put the game in and play. Throughout the entire lifespan of that console you'll never have to upgrade in order to play games or worry about whether your current specs will run the game, whereas with the PC that's not always the case.

I'm not saying consoles are somehow better than PCs, I'm just giving a reason as to why consoles will remain competitive.

This isn't 2003 anymore.. Ive never had to tweak my game, install drivers, remove conflicting software whenever I've installed a game in the past 3 years, It's been literally, download game from steam / install from CD, play game. Except Assassin Creed 2 which I couldn't play due to server being down, but that was Ubis fail DRM. HELL, I'm still using Catalyst 10.5 drivers. 8)

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#107 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I honestly don't care about PC hardware, there is no point in comparing a PC to a an actual system, a PC isn't a system really, it doesn't have any set specs to compare to a console. so why would we try and compare interchangeable hardware to fixed hardware? Regardless consoles are far more cost effective at what they do, and all these advancements means that the next set of consoles is going to be that much better.ChubbyGuy40

If you count outside of gaming...wouldn't a PC be millions of times more practical and worth the money than a console?

Even regarding just gaming, wouldn't PC win with the sheer amount of games it has? Browser, its current log and backlog, ect.

I have a gaming PC, but when it comes to comparing hardware its a moot point, theres no standard hardware in a PC. Secondly, consoles are dedicated gaming machines, they are more cost effective in terms of specs/cost they'll give you the most bang for your buck if your playing video games. If it wasn't for me working at home I wouldn't own a gaming pc (actually a workstation with a gtx470 thrown in). I'd have a laptop, without a dedicated video card, that probably couldn't play squat on it. Outside of gaming your pc could be $100 p4 old crap and still do everything but gaming. as for the back catalog? well they aren't always compatible, and you could just keep older consoles around for back catalog, which are always guaranteed to work so long as the system still works.
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#108 DreamCryotank
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I find it funny that people can navigate forums, install software, ect, but they can't install a graphic card driver that is the exact same process as installing something like VLC player. Also, don't people ever use google anymore? :lol:

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#109 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You have obviously never install anything on a pc. ever.

DreamCryotank

I lol'd..a lot.

I was primarily a PC gamer up until a few years ago, but still game now and then on the oldies.

The point I was making is that consoles are simply very, very convinient. You put the game in and play. Throughout the entire lifespan of that console you'll never have to upgrade in order to play games or worry about whether your current specs will run the game, whereas with the PC that's not always the case.

I'm not saying consoles are somehow better than PCs, I'm just giving a reason as to why consoles will remain competitive.

This isn't 2003 anymore.. Ive never had to tweak my game, install drivers, remove conflicting software whenever I've installed a game in the past 3 years, It's been literally, download game from steam / install from CD, play game. Except Assassin Creed 2 which I couldn't play due to server being down, but that was Ubis fail DRM. HELL, I'm still using Catalyst 10.5 drivers. 8)

i have had problems with c++ runtimes, and I couldn't play bfbc2 when it first came out due to some issues with drivers. Your experience in PC gaming is not a good representation of PC gaming, but neither is mine, its really a mixed bag, some people get unlucky, some don't
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#110 coreybg
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Well there's more to games than pretty visuals.

I honestly think consoles will still be very competitive (in terms of demand at least) because I suspect many gamers would rather just insert a game and play straight away rather than download drivers, remove conflicting software, possibly overclock your GPU, and fiddle with the settings before you get a stable game.

Convenience is highly attractive.

KlepticGrooves

I'll get right back at your post, just lemme install Crysis 2.

Oh, I gotta download the latest drivers, no biggie.

Ok, time to install....still not working? Oh yea, I need to delete that anti-virus software.

Should be good to go now....STILL not working?

Omg, I have to overclock my GPU again! I hate you PC gaming!!11!! You and your inconvenience!!!!!!!!!

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#111 DreamCryotank
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[QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]

[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

I lol'd..a lot.

I was primarily a PC gamer up until a few years ago, but still game now and then on the oldies.

The point I was making is that consoles are simply very, very convinient. You put the game in and play. Throughout the entire lifespan of that console you'll never have to upgrade in order to play games or worry about whether your current specs will run the game, whereas with the PC that's not always the case.

I'm not saying consoles are somehow better than PCs, I'm just giving a reason as to why consoles will remain competitive.

savagetwinkie

This isn't 2003 anymore.. Ive never had to tweak my game, install drivers, remove conflicting software whenever I've installed a game in the past 3 years, It's been literally, download game from steam / install from CD, play game. Except Assassin Creed 2 which I couldn't play due to server being down, but that was Ubis fail DRM. HELL, I'm still using Catalyst 10.5 drivers. 8)

i have had problems with c++ runtimes, and I couldn't play bfbc2 when it first came out due to some issues with drivers. Your experience in PC gaming is not a good representation of PC gaming, but neither is mine, its really a mixed bag, some people get unlucky, some don't

I get errors (rarely), but all you have to do is google the error code and there's a fix that takes literally no more than 5 minutes. It's not that bad. But my little brothers 360 has trouble reading discs and it takes him upto 20 minutes just to get the game to work but no one says anything about that. :roll:

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#112 Vari3ty
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It seems strange to me that most of the people who complain so much about "the gap widening" are PC gamers themselves, and not actually console owners. People just need to get over the fact that graphics are not everything.

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#113 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]

This isn't 2003 anymore.. Ive never had to tweak my game, install drivers, remove conflicting software whenever I've installed a game in the past 3 years, It's been literally, download game from steam / install from CD, play game. Except Assassin Creed 2 which I couldn't play due to server being down, but that was Ubis fail DRM. HELL, I'm still using Catalyst 10.5 drivers. 8)

DreamCryotank

i have had problems with c++ runtimes, and I couldn't play bfbc2 when it first came out due to some issues with drivers. Your experience in PC gaming is not a good representation of PC gaming, but neither is mine, its really a mixed bag, some people get unlucky, some don't

I get errors (rarely), but all you have to do is google the error code and there's a fix that takes literally no more than 5 minutes. It's not that bad. But my little brothers 360 has trouble reading discs and it takes him upto 20 minutes just to get the game to work but no one says anything about that. :roll:

hardware issues exist on all platforms, and no just looking up the error code doesn't always cut it, sometimes you don't get an error code, like my crash to deskop issue with bfbc2, i had no idea, couldn't play it for the first few months, and ended up with a second copy on my 360. its a FACT that PC's have less stability on the software end, with so many interchangeable layers there is no way to make sure everything works perfectly, fix one problem and possibly break things for other people. At least on a console all the software the game needs is pretty much built into the game, so once its working its very very hard for any one else to screw it up. so again, who cares about your experience with PC gaming, it does not mean its a good representation of the average user since the experience explicitly depends on the particular components of someone's particular PC.
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#114 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Lots of people think that the only way gaming is going to change is with better err more advanced hardware. There is so much more that can be done with this gen and previous generations to gaming. Does creativity stop when a system reaches four years old? It's like people think the only way there is going to be new stuff is with new hardware. And this is wrong.ChubbyGuy40

What if someones vision is ultra-realistic detailed racing game that the user will enjoy at say, 4k2k resolution, and run at 120fps for 3D?

Kinda like what the creator of GT5 wanted to do. His standards wern't that high, but its clear from multiple articles GT5 is NOT what he wanted it to be. You can only push the hardware so far.

Different developers need different requirements for their games. Developers could go for Crysis or Killzone 3, or they can go for Super Meat Boy and Minecraft. Theres many different ways to make different genres of games. These advances don't come with old hardware. Hardware progresses and so does creativity due to being able to make more stuff. So no, your statement is completely wrong.

I'm really glad consoles are taking their time this gen. Maybe this will make the PC go on it own and make it's own stuff without the aid of the console. Then we can get your 120fps with 3D example. And we can get the new software that came with the new hardware. And only because of the new hardware this was allowed to happen.

Look around. Who else is living on the tech as the sole reason for creativity? Book, movie, music artists. Yes, game artists are the only ones who depend on the hardware too much. "Boo if only we had better hardware :cry." The only reason Twilight Princess could be done was because of the tech of the GC. haha

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#115 edo-tensei
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The funny and sad part is that no dev is trying to tap the power of the new hardware and sowfware coming to pc gaming, lol they're too busy consolizing games as it seems.

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#116 VanDammFan
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The funny and sad part is that no dev is trying to tap the power of the new hardware and sowfware coming to pc gaming, lol they're too busy consolizing games as it seems.

edo-tensei

Ive been gaming longer than most of you here have been alive...I dont recall this whole..."consolizing" terms being thrown around before this gen?? What is it with people saying this?? The thing is consoles are more powerful and capeable then ever before....From online to hdds to DD and everything in between.

I have to wonder...IF FPS were not on consoles as much as they are, would people be bashing them as much? Seems that since FPS have been running rampid on consoles fanboys have been throwing fits one after the other..SO should we just be about platforming? familygames??ect..Would this help settle you guys down a tad??

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#117 hypoty
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

The funny and sad part is that no dev is trying to tap the power of the new hardware and sowfware coming to pc gaming, lol they're too busy consolizing games as it seems.

VanDammFan

Ive been gaming longer than most of you here have been alive...I dont recall this whole..."consolizing" terms being thrown around before this gen?? What is it with people saying this?? The thing is consoles are more powerful and capeable then ever before....From online to hdds to DD and everything in between.

I have to wonder...IF FPS were not on consoles as much as they are, would people be bashing them as much? Seems that since FPS have been running rampid on consoles fanboys have been throwing fits one after the other..SO should we just be about platforming? familygames??ect..Would this help settle you guys down a tad??

I remember it being around last gen, especially around the release of Deus EX: IW.

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#118 Lost-Memory
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It's ur ego.

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Make your sig 23, and your accuracy will be better. No, jk. But your sig is great. Back on topic; The consoles will be left behind by PC, Until their next generation. Then they'll catch up a bit, but within 6months, maybe even less. that gap will re-open.
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#119 Jag85
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Lots of people think that the only way gaming is going to change is with better err more advanced hardware. There is so much more that can be done with this gen and previous generations to gaming. Does creativity stop when a system reaches four years old? It's like people think the only way there is going to be new stuff is with new hardware. And this is wrong.ChubbyGuy40

What if someones vision is ultra-realistic detailed racing game that the user will enjoy at say, 4k2k resolution, and run at 120fps for 3D?

Kinda like what the creator of GT5 wanted to do. His standards wern't that high, but its clear from multiple articles GT5 is NOT what he wanted it to be. You can only push the hardware so far.

Different developers need different requirements for their games. Developers could go for Crysis or Killzone 3, or they can go for Super Meat Boy and Minecraft. Theres many different ways to make different genres of games. These advances don't come with old hardware. Hardware progresses and so does creativity due to being able to make more stuff. So no, your statement is completely wrong.

I beg to differ, but creativity was never limited by tech, but on the contrary, creativity comes from limitations, not better tech. Like the saying "necessity is the mother of invention", it is limited technology that forces a developer to be more creative as they can no longer rely on better technology to do the same thing again with better graphics. It is no coincidence that there was far more creativity in the gaming industry during the late 20th century than there is today, and this was primarily because of the limited tech developers had to work with in those days. In fact, entire new genres were created due to limited tech, like for example, space shooters like Space Invaders or stealth games like Metal Gear would not have existed if the developers had better tech to work with.

In today's gaming industry, I would argue that better tech limits creativity, if anything. It is no coincidence that most ofthe creative games around today are lower-budget titles that can only rely on creativity due to limited budgets, in contrast to higher-budget titles which simply rely on doing more of the same with better graphics rather than trying something different (which would be a risky move considering the high costs involved). If the tech is limited for the next several years, that can only be a good thing as far as creativity is concerned, as developers will be forced to use the current hardware more creatively instead of relying on better hardware to release the same types of games again with better graphics.

Ive been gaming longer than most of you here have been alive...I dont recall this whole..."consolizing" terms being thrown around before this gen?? What is it with people saying this?? The thing is consoles are more powerful and capeable then ever before....From online to hdds to DD and everything in between.

I have to wonder...IF FPS were not on consoles as much as they are, would people be bashing them as much? Seems that since FPS have been running rampid on consoles fanboys have been throwing fits one after the other..SO should we just be about platforming? familygames??ect..Would this help settle you guys down a tad??VanDammFan

There has always been a console vs computer divide for various genres, like for example, console RPGs vs computer RPGs, arcade racing (console) vs sim racing (computer), action-oriented (console) vs strategy-oriented (computer), fast-paced (console) vs slow-paced (computer) etc.

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#120 zekere
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I've read some interesting things around here, glad I posted the topic in here . However, no answer has been given on the FACT that the gap WILL widen the following years . Pc has been hold back the last years , but it won't stay this way . 2015 is too far away for a new gen of consoles .

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#121 ExplosiveChorro
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Most PC games come on DVD. DVD is 90's tech. That's why a game like Crysis can be beautiful on one end but on the other end have redundant textures limited animations and limited enviornments. Can't complain about consoles having "2005" tech when most PC games are using a storage format from 1997.

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#122 AnnoyedDragon
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Most PC games come on DVD. DVD is 90's tech. That's why a game like Crysis can be beautiful on one end but on the other end have redundant textures limited animations and limited enviornments. Can't complain about consoles having "2005" tech when most PC games are using a storage format from 1997.

Pray_to_me

Two problems with your... theory.

First, Crysis didn't even fill the DVD to max capacity. Secondly, the DVD isn't relevant when PC fully installs its games to the HDD.

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#123 mitu123
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Most PC games come on DVD. DVD is 90's tech. That's why a game like Crysis can be beautiful on one end but on the other end have redundant textures limited animations and limited enviornments. Can't complain about consoles having "2005" tech when most PC games are using a storage format from 1997.

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Or they could use multiple DVDs(like a certain amount of games like Mass Effect 2) and install them to the HDD, and then there's downloading them to the HDD...
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#124 KristoffBrujah
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Console is already borderline uncompetitive. It will only get worse with Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer, which will be the end of any hope for consoles.

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#125 zekere
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Looks like it is time for a new PC then ...