The GTAIV Kickass Hype/Discussion Thread (56k) - KEEP IT HERE OR BE SUSPENDED!

While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area.

room420

rofl, reiterating my prediction and taking all bets! Story arc with sub-missions :P

[QUOTE="room420"]

While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area.

donwoogie

rofl, reiterating my prediction and taking all bets! Story arc with sub-missions :P

Seems more likely to me that if Take-Two has to make a minimum of $70 million revenue, then the DLC has to be substantial. How many people are really going to buy extra sub-missions for an already overflowing game, and how could Rockstar guarantee they'd make $70 million from that alone? They couldn't. The potential audience for a thing like that would be too small, when you take into account all the factors.

If it's projected to make $70 million, that only gives added weight to the argument that the DLC isn't exactly horse armor. People will buy it. And people will buy it for a reason that has to naturally be more than simply extra missions, especially considering how fully-featured the multiplayer is. $70 million is a lot of revenue. If Take-Two doesn't match that, they have to pay the difference. Either they have the largest balls on earth, or they have a trick up their sleeve.

hey today i saw something that said the 360 will have optional HD install.....umm whats that? :PSaintsRowSam

Just something some guy made up to get hits.

Split Personality

Say what you will about the benefits of LIVE over the PSN, the PS3 version of GTA IV - and only the PS3 version - will allow you and a friend to team up for some local multi-player action via split-screen. GTA IV has never offered online play on the consoles before, and it's nice to know that I'll be able to play with my partners in crime face to face when putting the new online game modes through their paces. Furthermore, although PSN already offers gamers most of what LIVE provides, and will only improve when Home launches in the near future. While it's a bit early to start singing Home's praises, given the level of creative talent at Rockstar, it's hard to imagine them not taking advantage of this new online space in exciting ways.

Split Personality

Say what you will about the benefits of LIVE over the PSN, the PS3 version of GTA IV - and only the PS3 version - will allow you and a friend to team up for some local multi-player action via split-screen. GTA IV has never offered online play on the consoles before, and it's nice to know that I'll be able to play with my partners in crime face to face when putting the new online game modes through their paces. Furthermore, although PSN already offers gamers most of what LIVE provides, and will only improve when Home launches in the near future. While it's a bit early to start singing Home's praises, given the level of creative talent at Rockstar, it's hard to imagine them not taking advantage of this new online space in exciting ways.

aka_aj03

ITS GONE GOLD!!!!!!!!!! http://www.gtagaming.com/gtagaming/news/comments.php?i=1298

:D

San Andreas filled a Dual Layer DVD9. GTAIV will have bigger textures and other visual details. Much more cut scenes, more voice acting. More music. More sound in general.

Triple layer? I haven't noticed this before. I wasn't even aware that it existed. Just saying. Since people go paranoid when they hear about disc space issues. I think they have plenty of room left even. PullTheTricker

Any GTA game on PS2 never went over a singe layer DVD. This is why there were 'scene' releases of all the GTA's including the last, which fit on a DVDR with nothing stripped. When devs have problems fitting stuff on a DVD, M$ helps them work it out. ie Assassin's Creed. M$ always had the upperhand with compressin tech...That is why when GTA's released on Xbox they were smaller in size, yet looked better.

Also, when & where was it announced that the X360 version would have an optional install?

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

San Andreas filled a Dual Layer DVD9. GTAIV will have bigger textures and other visual details. Much more cut scenes, more voice acting. More music. More sound in general.

Triple layer? I haven't noticed this before. I wasn't even aware that it existed. Just saying. Since people go paranoid when they hear about disc space issues. I think they have plenty of room left even. E M I N 3 M

Any GTA game on PS2 never went over a singe layer DVD. This is why there were 'scene' releases of all the GTA's including the last, which fit on a DVDR with nothing stripped. When devs have problems fitting stuff on a DVD, M$ helps them work it out. ie Assassin's Creed. M$ always had the upperhand with compressin tech...That is why when GTA's released on Xbox they were smaller in size, yet looked better.

Also, when & where was it announced that the X360 version would have an optional install?

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SSCyborg

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

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EuroMafia

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

"CVG Confirms that the GTA IV Exclusive DLC coming this fall for Xbox 360 is an entire new city that may even be as big, if not bigger than San Andreas."

I doubt it's true though.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

Link

Discuss

Don't know if its old.

SSCyborg

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

will edit with summary.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

Link

Discuss

Don't know if its old.

SSCyborg

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

"CVG Confirms that the GTA IV Exclusive DLC coming this fall for Xbox 360 is an entire new city that may even be as big, if not bigger than San Andreas."

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

http://theexplodingbarrel.com/?p=165

Heres an interesting Comparisson of the two versions.

Social Club is open. WHoooo!

I can't wait to bump into some crazy pedistrians with some crazy dialogue, crazier than this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uS2RYRd0gCU

http://theexplodingbarrel.com/?p=165

Heres an interesting Comparisson of the two versions.

black_awpN1

by intresting doyou mean completely fake?

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

Link

Discuss

Don't know if its old.

I_pWnzz_YoU

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

"CVG Confirms that the GTA IV Exclusive DLC coming this fall for Xbox 360 is an entire new city that may even be as big, if not bigger than San Andreas."

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

PC!!!!!

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

I_pWnzz_YoU

No it didn't... You might want to check your facts.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

I_pWnzz_YoU

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

lawlessx

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

PC

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

BillGates_Money

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

PC

Well it sure as hell didn't start on the Xbox, which is what I'm trying to tell ppl.

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

I_pWnzz_YoU

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

PC

Well it sure as hell didn't start on the Xbox, which is what I'm trying to tell ppl.

what would be your point in telling people that? alot of people go around saying sony and rockstar have this big relationship because of the success of the GTA series on the ps2 when the only reason why it was exclusive for so long was because of a contract sony had with rockstar. rockstar had a port for the xbox and PC well and ready once that contract was up.

[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

San Andreas filled a Dual Layer DVD9. GTAIV will have bigger textures and other visual details. Much more cut scenes, more voice acting. More music. More sound in general.

Triple layer? I haven't noticed this before. I wasn't even aware that it existed. Just saying. Since people go paranoid when they hear about disc space issues. I think they have plenty of room left even. Egghead360

Any GTA game on PS2 never went over a singe layer DVD. This is why there were 'scene' releases of all the GTA's including the last, which fit on a DVDR with nothing stripped. When devs have problems fitting stuff on a DVD, M$ helps them work it out. ie Assassin's Creed. M$ always had the upperhand with compressin tech...That is why when GTA's released on Xbox they were smaller in size, yet looked better.

Also, when & where was it announced that the X360 version would have an optional install?

Updating with all the new stuff. Sorry I haven't updated in the last 2 days (had some awesome fun with essays!).

Seems to be discussion about DLC atm... I remember reading an interview with Dan Houser, I think it was, where he mentioned that it will be side missions. He said something about random pedestrians meeting you (Niko) on the street and asking you to accept their mission. I'll try and find the link, I know it's in the OP somewhere.

As for what was cut out of the Aussie version of GTAIV... :lol: ... I'm glad it's just that and not something like blood or language... but I think there's something seriously wrong with me when I say I would have laughed my ass off if I saw it on screen. I'll catch it on youtube though.

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

I_pWnzz_YoU

Let me try and find a summary. From what I know it's basically rumours about the size of the DLC.

I doubt it's true though.

Thats a load of BS...I highly doubt they'd make an entire city for one console, especially if GTA started on the PS.

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

PC

Well it sure as hell didn't start on the Xbox, which is what I'm trying to tell ppl.

yes true. anyway man i loved the 1st gta lol memories

Updating with all the new stuff. Sorry I haven't updated in the last 2 days (had some awesome fun with essays!).

Seems to be discussion about DLC atm... I remember reading an interview with Dan Houser, I think it was, where he mentioned that it will be side missions. He said something about random pedestrians meeting you (Niko) on the street and asking you to accept their mission. I'll try and find the link, I know it's in the OP somewhere.

As for what was cut out of the Aussie version of GTAIV... :lol: ... I'm glad it's just that and not something like blood or language... but I think there's something seriously wrong with me when I say I would have laughed my ass off if I saw it on screen. I'll catch it on youtube though.

the-very-best

man if its just side missions that would suck. now if it was another city with missions then i would be all smiles. oh well no need to complain

man if its just side missions that would suck. now if it was another city with missions then i would be all smiles. oh well no need to complain

BillGates_Money

I don't see why it couldn't be both. But I think people are overestimating the value...

The $50 million was probably in large part for the exclusivity of it, rather than the content. I'm not trying to downplay the content, I don't think R* does anything half-assed with GTA, but just don't set your expectations too high. I mean, if it's another city, I don't think it's gonna be as big as LC or something. Maybe another borough instead, which would be great (imo).

[QUOTE="Egghead360"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

San Andreas filled a Dual Layer DVD9. GTAIV will have bigger textures and other visual details. Much more cut scenes, more voice acting. More music. More sound in general.

Triple layer? I haven't noticed this before. I wasn't even aware that it existed. Just saying. Since people go paranoid when they hear about disc space issues. I think they have plenty of room left even. E M I N 3 M

Any GTA game on PS2 never went over a singe layer DVD. This is why there were 'scene' releases of all the GTA's including the last, which fit on a DVDR with nothing stripped. When devs have problems fitting stuff on a DVD, M$ helps them work it out. ie Assassin's Creed. M$ always had the upperhand with compressin tech...That is why when GTA's released on Xbox they were smaller in size, yet looked better.

Also, when & where was it announced that the X360 version would have an optional install?

San Andreas on the XBOX was 2.85 GB, Vice City came in at 1.28 GB so no San Andreas was not even close to taking up a full disc. Open area games do not require as much space as you'd think they would.

Updating with all the new stuff. Sorry I haven't updated in the last 2 days (had some awesome fun with essays!).

Seems to be discussion about DLC atm... I remember reading an interview with Dan Houser, I think it was, where he mentioned that it will be side missions. He said something about random pedestrians meeting you (Niko) on the street and asking you to accept their mission. I'll try and find the link, I know it's in the OP somewhere.

As for what was cut out of the Aussie version of GTAIV... :lol: ... I'm glad it's just that and not something like blood or language... but I think there's something seriously wrong with me when I say I would have laughed my ass off if I saw it on screen. I'll catch it on youtube though.

the-very-best

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Updating with all the new stuff. Sorry I haven't updated in the last 2 days (had some awesome fun with essays!).

Seems to be discussion about DLC atm... I remember reading an interview with Dan Houser, I think it was, where he mentioned that it will be side missions. He said something about random pedestrians meeting you (Niko) on the street and asking you to accept their mission. I'll try and find the link, I know it's in the OP somewhere.

As for what was cut out of the Aussie version of GTAIV... :lol: ... I'm glad it's just that and not something like blood or language... but I think there's something seriously wrong with me when I say I would have laughed my ass off if I saw it on screen. I'll catch it on youtube though.

JLF1

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

im pretty sure GTA started on the PC

lawlessx

PC

Well it sure as hell didn't start on the Xbox, which is what I'm trying to tell ppl.

what would be your point in telling people that? alot of people go around saying sony and rockstar have this big relationship because of the success of the GTA series on the ps2 when the only reason why it was exclusive for so long was because of a contract sony had with rockstar. rockstar had a port for the xbox and PC well and ready once that contract was up.

Actually, it went multi-platform because the console wars wasn't a one horse race anymore and cutting out, at the time, more than half of the user-base for console gaming simply wouldn't have generated enough revenue for the game. The same reason I believe they won't put in a new city via DLC because it would be going against the reason they have a version of the game on the Xbox 360 in the first place.

[QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="room420"]

While doing some research into the DLC I came across this article.

Next-Gen contacted Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter, who further explained the deal. "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million.

If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance, according to Pachter. But he said that there's no reason to believe Take-Two would actually miss that revenue target.

If this is true, then MS did not pay $50 mil for the two episodes but rather advanced T2 the projected earnings from the DLC in exchange for the exclusivity deal. The nature of the deal is still unknown, but given this info and Rockstars history for exclusivity, it seems possible that once the advance is re-payed the episodes may become available for all platforms. Unfortunately, if this is true it might also indicate the size of the DLC is more along the lines of side missions as opposed to additional land area.

Zeliard9

rofl, reiterating my prediction and taking all bets! Story arc with sub-missions :P

Seems more likely to me that if Take-Two has to make a minimum of $70 million revenue, then the DLC has to be substantial. How many people are really going to buy extra sub-missions for an already overflowing game, and how could Rockstar guarantee they'd make $70 million from that alone? They couldn't. The potential audience for a thing like that would be too small, when you take into account all the factors.

If it's projected to make $70 million, that only gives added weight to the argument that the DLC isn't exactly horse armor. People will buy it. And people will buy it for a reason that has to naturally be more than simply extra missions, especially considering how fully-featured the multiplayer is. $70 million is a lot of revenue. If Take-Two doesn't match that, they have to pay the difference. Either they have the largest balls on earth, or they have a trick up their sleeve.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, if Take-Two fails to meet the 50mil target, wouldn't that break the exclusivity deal?

i just saw the commercial for the european 360 version (link) and imho the casual gamer will so forget about this ad when he stands in front of the ps3 gta4 bundle

also no word about the exclusive dlc

i just saw the commercial for the european 360 version (link) and imho the casual gamer will so forget about this ad when he stands in front of the ps3 gta4 bundle

also no word about the exclusive dlc

sambalimbo

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]

man if its just side missions that would suck. now if it was another city with missions then i would be all smiles. oh well no need to complain

the-very-best

I don't see why it couldn't be both. But I think people are overestimating the value...

The $50 million was probably in large part for the exclusivity of it, rather than the content. I'm not trying to downplay the content, I don't think R* does anything half-assed with GTA, but just don't set your expectations too high. I mean, if it's another city, I don't think it's gonna be as big as LC or something. Maybe another borough instead, which would be great (imo).

It is another city, it is as big as Vice City and San Andreas.

Future Publishing have just released their CVG GTA IV special. The whole magazine is dedicated to the biggest videogame franchise of the 21st Century. What stands out is their blatant lust for the Xbox 360 version over the PlayStation 3 version. Why? Because of the Downloadable Content of course. CVG compares the Xbox 360 exclusive DLC to the Vice City & San Andreas games in space and scope, and claims the DLC will feature a brand new city.

Well it sure as hell didn't start on the Xbox, which is what I'm trying to tell ppl.

I_pWnzz_YoU

This is business. Regardless of where the franchise "started", take-two and R* want to max revenue. This may mean dlc for the 360 which is a city. It might not, but don't think Sony and R* are fraternity brothers.

i just saw the commercial for the european 360 version (link) and imho the casual gamer will so forget about this ad when he stands in front of the ps3 gta4 bundle

also no word about the exclusive dlc

sambalimbo

Link? :P Seriously who cares. Enjoy the game.

Lol, it seems Play.com probably the most used British online games distributor has created an entire section for all items GTA :P

[QUOTE="TellDaddy"]

SA almost filled up a DVD9 :lol: THINK what you want, i will not get into a piracy discussion on these forums =XE M I N E M

San Andreas on the XBOX was 2.85 GB, Vice City came in at 1.28 GB so no San Andreas was not even close to taking up a full disc. Open area games do not require as much space as you'd think they would.

Regardless, this guy is trying act like he knows it all, when in fact any idiot can go by himself to a torrent website and see that even the mod loaded versions dont exeed 5gbs:|

Actually, it went multi-platform because the console wars wasn't a one horse race anymore and cutting out, at the time, more than half of the user-base for console gaming simply wouldn't have generated enough revenue for the game. The same reason I believe they won't put in a new city via DLC because it would be going against the reason they have a version of the game on the Xbox 360 in the first place.

donwoogie

By the time VC released, the XBOX was getting a WHOLE lot more multi-plats

Lol, it seems Play.com probably the most used British online games distributor has created an entire section for all items GTA :P

donwoogie

I have no idea what Play.com is, but thats pretty sweet. GTA IV FTW !!!!

YESS !! the EA buyout expired, GTA IV isnt getting delayed again !!! :D

Heres the link : http://www.gamespot.com/news/6189477.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

I have no idea what Play.com is, but thats pretty sweet. GTA IV FTW !!!!I_pWnzz_YoU

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]I have no idea what Play.com is, but thats pretty sweet. GTA IV FTW !!!!Jandurin

oh cool, lol why didn't they just have "amazon.eu or uk" or something.

cause it's cool how many different Googles there are :lol:

[QUOTE="donwoogie"]

Actually, it went multi-platform because the console wars wasn't a one horse race anymore and cutting out, at the time, more than half of the user-base for console gaming simply wouldn't have generated enough revenue for the game. The same reason I believe they won't put in a new city via DLC because it would be going against the reason they have a version of the game on the Xbox 360 in the first place.

Egghead360

By the time VC released, the XBOX was getting a WHOLE lot more multi-plats

No, the deal didn't state what the DLC was and I'm pretty sure, in an interview R* stated it was because they would not generate enough revenue to be worth the development process of creating GTAIV if they only backed on console.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"]I have no idea what Play.com is, but thats pretty sweet. GTA IV FTW !!!!I_pWnzz_YoU

oh cool, lol why didn't they just have "amazon.eu or uk" or something.

cause it's cool how many different Googles there are :lol:

rofl, Play.com is not part of Amazon. It sells items primarily in the UK and has some stuff sold in Canada.