The GTAIV Kickass Hype/Discussion Thread (56k) - KEEP IT HERE OR BE SUSPENDED!

the reviews that compare them say that the ps3 version still has pop in, but it is reduced. It probably isn't a very significant improvement or else they would have mentioned it (right?)GunSmith1_basic

thats what me thinks also ive seen alot of gta4 in game footage and did not see a big problem with the popins

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

i couldnt really tell..but does it get bloody around the parts where you got shot/stabbed/hit at?i could see blood on the vehicles...niceLinKuei_warrior

does anyone know the answer to this question?im interested to know this myself

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

ReverseCycology

I wouldn't say hinders game play.. seeing as your not required to use it. Its more of a pointless addition.

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

ReverseCycology

and yet again you can turn it off......everyone knwos sixaxis motion controls are bad most of the time.

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

ReverseCycology

Yeah so much of a hinderance that it can be turned off. Must try harder :roll:

he just made this gif...this is from a review copy loaded to a 360 dev kit.... the guy says that most games he has loaded to his dev kit have run much better than when hes played them with out it being loaded....

I don't know man......but damn, thats annoying as hell....I wonder if this can get patched......we'll see about the PS3 version...

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

tonythestudent

Yeah so much of a hinderance that it can be turned off. Must try harder :roll:

Yes, because you can't disable the motion sensing controls or anything. :roll:

Yes, because you can't disable the motion sensing controls or anything. :roll:

bleehum

You're not quoting me right?

he just made this gif...this is from a review copy loaded to a 360 dev kit.... the guy says that most games he has loaded to his dev kit have run much better than when hes played them with out it being loaded....

I don't know man......but damn, thats annoying as hell....I wonder if this can get patched......we'll see about the PS3 version...

Afrikanxl

oh god thats terrible

wow, the pop-in in these gifs is so bad maybe we should assume they are not the game until we can see it for ourselves.

-to be fair, that car is probably pushing the limits since its driving fast. So maybe that is the game

i havent been following up on this thread. but a friend told me on cod4 the other day that gta4 got a 10 on ign, reviewed by hilary goldstein (hes a bit of an ass, not totally, just a bit).

a 10, hmmm... idk about that. i understand that gta's an amazine game, but a 10? i remember listening to a podcast with matt cass and mark boz, and they both said, "i dont ever see myself giving a game a 10. in order for a game to recieve a 10, it has to blow me away, and go above and beyond in almost ever aspect (not a derect quote. they were talking about super mario galaxy. if there's a game out there that deserves a 10, that's it imo)" i just simply dont see gta 4 doing that. is it an unbelievable jump from san andreas? is every aspect of the game tempt perfection (notice i said TEMPT) without noticable flaws in the game? i doubt that. i know there those who'll say, "well if u dont think games should achieve that, then y would they even set a 10 as an attainable score?" well, like they said in order for a game to recieve a 10, it has to blow me away, and go above and beyond in almost ever aspect, and, every aspect of the game tempt perfection (notice i said TEMPT) without noticable flaws. guess ill have to just wait play the game to see...

has a game ever recieved a 9.9?

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

Yes, because you can't disable the motion sensing controls or anything. :roll:

tonythestudent

You're not quoting me right?

Was in response to reverse, was just too lazy to scroll up farther. :(

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

Yeah right. But a 5400rpm HDD still has a faster transfer rate than a 12xDVD.

Quick Google search says
DVD: 16MB/s
HDD: 60MB/s

So if anything things would load faster.

The guy just said he's running it on a devkit, so...
And then there's the Kotaku guy saying it's the same for the retail disc version. So...

user_nat

Someone else said in early in this thread that the 360 HDD isn't as fast as a usual hard disk due to its USB based connection (so that it can be removed easily). Donno how much difference that would make though.

edited for bad quoting.

Dude says all other games he has run from the HDD have loaded faster.

this is off a forum for all we know this guy does have a pirated version

ParadiddleFill

Oh FFS...

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

ReverseCycology

Once again, no one cares. Trees and signs popping up in front of (and behind...) you on the other hand actually do hinder the gameplay.

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

Once again, the sixaxis hinders gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/384432/sixaxis-brings-nothing-to-gta-iv-but-frustration-and-burning-helicopter-chassis

ReverseCycology

...

has a game ever recieved a 9.9?

mrjam0

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

DonPerian

this post makes me happy :)

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

God, sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

DonPerian

well said like i said before ive seen alot of gta4 gameplay and havent seen any major popins, if it was such a big issye the game would of scored less

so i would rather take the words of credible reviewers then some guy on a forum

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

LinKuei_warrior

this post makes me happy :)

Makes me happy too. Well done.

I'm going to assume that the pop-in will not be that terrible in the final game. A) There is no way it would have gotten a 10 on IGN and all of these others sites and B) The Gametrailers review has plenty of footage and I barely noticed any pop-in.

Of course, we won't know until Tuesday, but oh well.

Rockclmbr6

but I wonder why IGN wrote that it had FAR LESS pop in..... they used the word FAR..... they could have stuck with slightly like they were for most of the review...but it seems like that was one time they were not holding back...its like they were trying to be carefull in not slamming the game for pop ins..... but they used the word FAR LESS, when comparing to the PS3 version....makes you wonder why they used those words...

For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Gametrailers did an excelent job on the HD video review.Dante2710

Indeed, gots my pickle in a tickle.

hey guys, i just got a comparison pic between the two games, the top is the ps3 version and the bottom is the 360 version, the detail differences are small but there still there, see if you can spot the difference

[QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

AAllxxjjnn

this post makes me happy :)

Makes me happy too. Well done.

It makes me feel all fuzzy inside. :oops:

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

DonPerian

Pop-up and pop-behind as bad as in these gifs deserve any *****ing bestowed upon it. It's at the very least worrying.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

InsaneBasura

Pop-up and pop-behind as bad as in these gifs deserve any *****ing bestowed upon it. It's at the very least worrying.

If this guy was running a retail copy of the game off a production 360 and had at least some credibility that can be verified, I would be worried too. Failing in just one criteria renders his little fun animations useless (not to mention he failed to meet all 3). Again, this doesn't mean there isn't pop-up, I just think (and you have the right to think whatever you think) that it won't be as bad as these gifs show them to be. He's playing on a devkit for crying out loud. I'm not saying don't believe in it. I'm saying reserve your judgement until the game comes out on Tuesday.

=)

hey guys, i just got a comparison pic between the two games, the top is the ps3 version and the bottom is the 360 version, the detail differences are small but there still there, see if you can spot the difference

linkin_guy109

The 360 version is way better. It's got that retro feel to it.

Microsoft is ready and they prepped Xbox Live for the riot that might hit the servers.

http://kotaku.com/383885/xbox-live-preps-for-gta-iv-server-riot

Anyone know if Sony did any preparations with PSN for this 10 thousand pound gorilla with an online multiplayer called GTA IV yet?

Probably not huh.

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

hey guys, i just got a comparison pic between the two games, the top is the ps3 version and the bottom is the 360 version, the detail differences are small but there still there, see if you can spot the difference

xsubtownerx

The 360 version is way better. It's got that retro feel to it.

the mountains havent even popped up in the PS3 version

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

hey guys, i just got a comparison pic between the two games, the top is the ps3 version and the bottom is the 360 version, the detail differences are small but there still there, see if you can spot the difference

LinKuei_warrior

The 360 version is way better. It's got that retro feel to it.

the mountains havent even popped up in the PS3 version

:lol:

why do i keep checking up on this thread? all i hear is people arguing.......someone post something thats news...not some random gif with pop insDante2710

ah, dante glad your here.do you think you could answer a question of mine that hasnt ben answered yet?

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]why do i keep checking up on this thread? all i hear is people arguing.......someone post something thats news...not some random gif with pop insLinKuei_warrior

ah, dante glad your here.do you think you could answer a question of mine that hasnt ben answered yet?

[QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]why do i keep checking up on this thread? all i hear is people arguing.......someone post something thats news...not some random gif with pop insDante2710

ah, dante glad your here.do you think you could answer a question of mine that hasnt ben answered yet?

lets say niko were to be shot in his chest...would his chest be all bloody n stuff?

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]why do i keep checking up on this thread? all i hear is people arguing.......someone post something thats news...not some random gif with pop insLinKuei_warrior

ah, dante glad your here.do you think you could answer a question of mine that hasnt ben answered yet?

lets say niko were to be shot in his chest...would his chest be all bloody n stuff?

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

DonPerian

Pop-up and pop-behind as bad as in these gifs deserve any *****ing bestowed upon it. It's at the very least worrying.

If this guy was running a retail copy of the game off a production 360 and had at least some credibility that can be verified, I would be worried too. Failing in just one criteria renders his little fun animations useless (not to mention he failed to meet all 3). Again, this doesn't mean there isn't pop-up, I just think (and you have the right to think whatever you think) that it won't be as bad as these gifs show them to be. He's playing on a devkit for crying out loud. I'm not saying don't believe in it. I'm saying reserve your judgement until the game comes out on Tuesday.

=)

well this might support his clips...

this is from 1up

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3167410&p=4

There's some long-distance graphical fade-in as well as some street-level hazards that appear only after you hit them. Traffic will be nonexistent one second, then three cars deep when you rotate the camera back around, and then completely disappear when your wanted level gets to two or three stars

[QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]

lets say niko were to be shot in his chest...would his chest be all bloody n stuff?

Dante2710

I didnt make this

I didnt make this

AAllxxjjnn

can't F'n WAIT...arrrhhhh...

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]

lets say niko were to be shot in his chest...would his chest be all bloody n stuff?

GunSmith1_basic

I didnt make this

AAllxxjjnn

So, comparisons and fanboyism aside, anyone know when the GS review is going up?

Ahh, one more day, I can't wait! Who's going to attend their local midnight launch?

So, comparisons and fanboyism aside, anyone know when the GS review is going up?

Ahh, one more day, I can't wait! Who's going to attend their local midnight launch?

DonPerian

im going if i get payed, right after i get off work, im going to run like hell, get changed and be there as soon as i can be

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Stop getting hung up on these petty details. How many times have we heard from multiple Rockstar employees and reviewers that they are near identical?

You guys are taking one guys gifs and basing them as proof and fact when the truth is he's running off a devkit with the game loaded improperly from the HDD. Regardless if this alleviates the problem or not, it's still an augmented way of playing, thus we cannot use it as certainty.

Watch the gametrailers review which was shot from the 360 or some of the GTAIV gameplay on here that was shot from the 360 as well. I for one barely see any glitches or pop in (that's not to say i don't believe that there aren't any). Just wait and most of all, be happy we're getting it on Tuesday.

Sometimes, you guys really amaze me on how much you guys can **** about something so small. But of course, my post will be lost amongst the masses of "OMG 360 VERSION AM INFERIOR LULZ"...oh well, at least I tried.

=)

DonPerian

Pop-up and pop-behind as bad as in these gifs deserve any *****ing bestowed upon it. It's at the very least worrying.

If this guy was running a retail copy of the game off a production 360 and had at least some credibility that can be verified, I would be worried too. Failing in just one criteria renders his little fun animations useless (not to mention he failed to meet all 3). Again, this doesn't mean there isn't pop-up, I just think (and you have the right to think whatever you think) that it won't be as bad as these gifs show them to be. He's playing on a devkit for crying out loud. I'm not saying don't believe in it. I'm saying reserve your judgement until the game comes out on Tuesday.

=)

Pop-up this bad is worrying regardless if he's playing it from the hard drive of a devkit or the beak of a duck. A publisher wouldn't willingly provide the press with review builds containing such assy pop-in. The difference between review and retail builds would be as minimal as possible. Both a Kotaku dude and 1UP back up his experience. IGN's comments give him further credibility.

There's some long-distance graphical fade-in as well as some street-level hazards that appear only after you hit them. Traffic will be nonexistent one second, then three cars deep when you rotate the camera back around, and then completely disappear when your wanted level gets to two or three stars. 1UP

The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in.IGN

With that said, I see what it is you're saying, because I have eyes. They're placed in the front of my head but that's not important right now. You're optimistic and I'm cautiously pessimistic. I also need to expel liquid from my sack of urine.

With that said, I see what it is you're saying, because I have eyes. They're placed in the front of my head but that's not important right now.InsaneBasura

I'm sayingRELAX! I'm not denying the fact that there won't be pop-in's for the 360, I'm merely suggesting that, until the game is released Tuesday early morning, we hold judgement and worry and just take in all the positive reviews about this game. With all the good things said, it just seems silly for everyone to get hung up on some gifs showing a couple incidents where pop-in was more than what was speculated or percieved to be.

Is that too much to ask for?

=)

Frame Rate
The Grand Theft Auto series has never been synonymous with a rock solid frame rate, something it generally seems to get a pass for. While GTA IV is smoother in general than it's predecessors, it can expectedly suffer during chaos. The Xbox 360 version seemed capable of achieving a smoother frame rate, peaking higher in certain circumstances, such as in confined spaces or during light traffic, but both versions seemed to regularly run at a similar clip.

Pop-In & Loading
With a huge, seamless streaming world, data must be constantly read from the disc. The PS3 version, with its required HDD install, loads missions a couple seconds faster and decreases pop-in. The Xbox 360 version can suffer from some very noticeable texture loading, as things like trees, vehicles and building signs will regularly pop-in as one tools about town. It can be distracting, especially during high speed chases, and the PS3 version isn't entirely immune from it, but it's not a game killing problem.

Graphics
The two versions are so close to identical, visually, that putting together a comparison was a challenge. Initially, it appeared that the PS3 suffered from more noticeable aliasing than its 360 counterpart, but after eyeballing the final retail copy, they appear to be on par. I noticed that the paint filter applied to cover some of the game's imperfections appeared a tiny bit muddier on the PS3 version, with night time scenes seeing more streakiness. Some of these minor complaints may be the result of our particular television settings and require the finest of fine tooth combs to assess.

So both version are the same,besides the xbox360 having more pop- in,i don't know why sony fanboys are trying to claim ownage over graphics when both version are actually the same.