The Halo Reach footage proves the 360 has peaked.

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#51 mythrol
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Can we all pretty much agree that the 360 has peaked in terms of grahpics? I mean i cant think of one exclusive that looks as good as Gears Of War, and no game that has come out on the 360 since has been able to surpass Gears Of War in terms of of overall visuals and grahpics. Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did. After seeing the new "in game" footage of Halo Reach ive come to the conlusion that the 360 is already at peak in terms of visuals and graphics.

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

Kennysolidsnake
Mass Effect 2 looks pretty darn amazing. How could Halo Reach peak any graphics? It's the first game using a BRAND NEW ENGINE. Every developer when using a new engine can't get the most out of it. I'm looking forward to seeing how much better 2nd gen X-Engine games look. Also, Gears 2 graphics > Gears. It's just for it's time Gears was so visually stunning because it really was the best we'd seen. Halo also isn't going to peak the graphics because of the gameplay. People said the PS2 peaked graphically every year, and every year a new game came out that pushed it even further.
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#52 MC3887
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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

Can we all pretty much agree that the 360 has peaked in terms of grahpics? I mean i cant think of one exclusive that looks as good as Gears Of War, and no game that has come out on the 360 since has been able to surpass Gears Of War in terms of of overall visuals and grahpics. Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did. After seeing the new "in game" footage of Halo Reach ive come to the conlusion that the 360 is already at peak in terms of visuals and graphics.

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

mythrol
Mass Effect 2 looks pretty darn amazing. How could Halo Reach peak any graphics? It's the first game using a BRAND NEW ENGINE. Every developer when using a new engine can't get the most out of it. I'm looking forward to seeing how much better 2nd gen X-Engine games look. Also, Gears 2 graphics > Gears. It's just for it's time Gears was so visually stunning because it really was the best we'd seen. Halo also isn't going to peak the graphics because of the gameplay. People said the PS2 peaked graphically every year, and every year a new game came out that pushed it even further.

I think that PS3 graphics will get better faster though, not because of the powa of teh cell, but the fact that sony has like 20 first party devs vs. ms's 4? The more first party working on a game the faster things can evolve, etc. The X360 has to really use 3rd party devs for game like BFBC2 graphically, etc. Alan wake and hopefully halo reach will change my mind though and the 1st party at ms can keep up.
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#53 danjammer69
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C'mon Kenny. You should know better than this.

Pretty much NOTHING has been shown yet. You can not seriously base what that trailer presented us with as a true representation of Halo: Reach's graphics.

The game is going to introduce a new engine, which I am even excited to see in action.

Now lets wait for some proper in-game footage before we make goofy claims and give it a proper chance. Yiou would want the same for a Sony game, would you not?

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#54 stereointegrity
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me 2 looks exactly like me 1....no its not on par with U2 and i feel this one will suffer from frame rate issues
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="brennan7777"] Is that what the kids are calling the PC these days?

xBLACK-MAGEx

No, they're calling the PC dead silly.

:D

you sir, just made my day. thank you lmao

Haha
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#56 Ribnarak
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Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness

no. Just no.

u2 looks wayy better: both technically and artistically (obvioulsy this is my opinion :P)

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#57 killab2oo5
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The 360's has been "tapped out" SO many times...
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#58 ThePRAssassin
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So you trolled the 360, then switched for a week to troll the PS3 and somewhere along the line you went back to trolling 360.

Eh, I guess I would to if I had nothing better to do.

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The 360's has been "tapped out" SO many times...killab2oo5

Yeah if anything, the fanboys have given a whole new award to 360.

"Console most repeatedly maxed out within its life cycle" :lol: :lol:

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#60 windsquid9000
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It looks more than good enough...

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[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]The 360's has been "tapped out" SO many times...AdobeArtist

Yeah if anything, the fanboys have given a whole new award to 360.

"Console most repeatedly maxed out within its life cycle" :lol: :lol:

seriously :lol:

this has to be the 3rd time i heard it this gen.

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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]The 360's has been "tapped out" SO many times...lawlessx

Yeah if anything, the fanboys have given a whole new award to 360.

"Console most repeatedly maxed out within its life cycle" :lol: :lol:

seriously :lol:

this has to be the 3rd time i heard it this gen.

I just love how they contradict themselves :lol:

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Can we all pretty much agree that the 360 has peaked in terms of grahpics? I mean i cant think of one exclusive that looks as good as Gears Of War, and no game that has come out on the 360 since has been able to surpass Gears Of War in terms of of overall visuals and grahpics. Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did. After seeing the new "in game" footage of Halo Reach ive come to the conlusion that the 360 is already at peak in terms of visuals and graphics.

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

Kennysolidsnake
From that CUT SCENE? Right.
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TC, you do know that vid was prerendered right?

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me 2 looks exactly like me 1....no its not on par with U2 and i feel this one will suffer from frame rate issuesstereointegrity

I fell out of my seat laughing... I haven't laughed so hard since Gamespot said Demon Souls was a better rpg than Dragon Age Origins.

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#66 Brownesque
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The really ironic thing about the OP is that the footage in the trailer is not even real time, they had to render the frames individually and then speed up the footage to a fast frame rate for solid playback. It also has postprocessed image quality improvements. In other words the graphics in the trailer are not actually attainable by the Xbox 360 in real time.
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#67 HerzogJan
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Honestly I think the 360 hasn't really been pushed and expoited like the PS3...it should have plenty of headroom left.


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Harder architecture?

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The really ironic thing about the OP is that the footage in the trailer is not even real time, they had to render the frames individually and then speed up the footage to a fast frame rate for solid playback. It also has postprocessed image quality improvements. In other words the graphics in the trailer are not actually attainable by the Xbox 360 in real time.Brownesque

We all know that they optimized the trailer, and that it won't look like this in-game. But even so, they did use the engine assets, so this is suggestive of how improved the in-game visuals will be from Halo 3 in-game graphics.

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#69 shawn7324
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[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

TC=WRONG. Who was expecting the next Halo to be graphically advanced anyways? Seems to me Bungie will follow suit & stick with what they have already done, work hard on game play & extra features.

moistsandwich
Well what I've seen of Halo: Reach does look far better than Halo 3 already.... so I'm expecting Reach to be a beautiful game... especially since I think Halo 3 is a beautiful game, save for the character models (humans) faces.

Well one would hope that a sequel several years later would look far better right? The TC's hope that the Xbox 360's graphics have been maxed out is not only clear fanboyism, but also an insult to the gaming community. Why would you want a console to peak out? Fanboy or not, that should never be something you look forward to, but I see people here are so messed up in the head that what I see as drawing the line is far broken.
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#70 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]The really ironic thing about the OP is that the footage in the trailer is not even real time, they had to render the frames individually and then speed up the footage to a fast frame rate for solid playback. It also has postprocessed image quality improvements. In other words the graphics in the trailer are not actually attainable by the Xbox 360 in real time.AdobeArtist

We all know that they optimized the trailer, and that it won't look like this in-game. But even so, they did use the engine assets, so this is suggestive of how improved the in-game visuals will be from Halo 3 in-game graphics.

I would prefer to say it indicates how nice their highest fidelity renders will look. These are basically cutscene graphics, not ingame graphics. You have to realize that developers start out with the highest polygon render with the greatest amount of detail and reduce that and refine it so that it can fit within their expectations of how the game should perform in real time. The fact that they were incapable of getting the trailer to run in real time should be very telling. I'm sure they had beautiful, high-fidelity assets for Halo 3 as well, that's where all the trailer footage for that game came from. Gamers were noticably disappointed to see the actual game running in real time.
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Honestly I think the 360 hasn't really been pushed and expoited like the PS3...it should have plenty of headroom left.

HerzogJan

Harder architecture?



No, I just mean that Microsoft doesn't have a crazy team of development ninjas working with unlimited budgets like Sony does with Guerilla or Naughty Dog.

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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

Can we all pretty much agree that the 360 has peaked in terms of grahpics? I mean i cant think of one exclusive that looks as good as Gears Of War, and no game that has come out on the 360 since has been able to surpass Gears Of War in terms of of overall visuals and grahpics. Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did. After seeing the new "in game" footage of Halo Reach ive come to the conlusion that the 360 is already at peak in terms of visuals and graphics.

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

uhhh. currnet 360 dev kit use only 1 of the 3 cores in the xenon, and anywhere from 20-100MB of RAm isn't used. not only that but Reach is the first game using the x engine and an engine is never maxed out on the first go.
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#74 Panosola
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[QUOTE="rolo107"]lol Based off of a trailer, that's good. Secondly, Halo Reach's graphics look better than everything I've seen except Uncharted, and that's just from the trailer. Clearly I'll wait to form a final opinion until I own the game, but I'm just doing what you are. MC3887
To me Alan wake looked better than the trailer and I think alan wake>UC2.

I agree.....Alan Wake it will be look on par with Uncharted 2.I can't wait for that game.For the Halo:Reach i have to say only one thing.....if the graphics is like the trailer then Halo:Reach is the new console graphics King.

Alan Wake.....

mbnmbmb

Halo:REACH......

BCVBCBV

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#75 AdrianWerner
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Both PS3 and 360 pretty much peaked already

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#76 awuilfj
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Both PS3 and 360 pretty much peaked already

AdrianWerner
Yeah. PC NEVER peaks :)
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#77 shawn7324
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Both PS3 and 360 pretty much peaked already

awuilfj
Yeah. PC NEVER peaks :)

Actually it does, but just evolves much much quicker.
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Look at history. ALL CONSOLES continue to have improvements in graphical quality, etc as their cycle progresses, due to new techniques being found, optimization code, etc. To say that the 360 is "tapped out" or "maxed out" in graphics is just flat out ridiculous.

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]me 2 looks exactly like me 1....no its not on par with U2 and i feel this one will suffer from frame rate issuesShoaka

I fell out of my seat laughing... I haven't laughed so hard since Gamespot said Demon Souls was a better rpg than Dragon Age Origins.

truth hurts i kno...im sorry if u caused injury while falling.....
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[QUOTE="awuilfj"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Both PS3 and 360 pretty much peaked already

shawn7324
Yeah. PC NEVER peaks :)

Actually it does, but just evolves much much quicker.

It doesn't all you do is change parts and you have a better pc, this has been going since the beginning.
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#81 shawn7324
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Look at history. ALL CONSOLES continue to have improvements in graphical quality, etc as their cycle progresses, due to new techniques being found, optimization code, etc. To say that the 360 is "tapped out" or "maxed out" in graphics is just flat out ridiculous.

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Most of system wars is flat out ridculous.

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[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="awuilfj"] Yeah. PC NEVER peaks :)awuilfj
Actually it does, but just evolves much much quicker.

It doesn't all you do is change parts and you have a better pc, this has been going since the beginning.

thats exactly what he said PCs do peak but when they do a new cards comes out and it evolves so its no longer peaked
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Based off a trailer? :lol: You Cannot Just Judge A Game Base On A Trailer :P
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Am i right in saying that no 360 game has been built from the ground up, to take advantage of the hardware like killzone 2 on the PS3? If so then the 360 still has more left in it's 4 year old hardware.
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[QUOTE="garland51"]

Look at history. ALL CONSOLES continue to have improvements in graphical quality, etc as their cycle progresses, due to new techniques being found, optimization code, etc. To say that the 360 is "tapped out" or "maxed out" in graphics is just flat out ridiculous.

shawn7324

Most of system wars is flat out ridculous.

yeah, and i think the PS3 can show real graphics ........ history talks.

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Look at history. ALL CONSOLES continue to have improvements in graphical quality, etc as their cycle progresses, due to new techniques being found, optimization code, etc. To say that the 360 is "tapped out" or "maxed out" in graphics is just flat out ridiculous.

garland51

yes, but history also shows us that the big improvements happen in first 2-3 years, after that the graphical quality does improve, but not by much

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#88 Supafly1
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Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did.

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What are you talking about? Gears 2 was visually better than the first one in every way.
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#89 awuilfj
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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did.

Supafly1
What are you talking about? Gears 2 was visually better than the first one in every way.

Someone get the PC screens of Gears 1 ;D
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[QUOTE="garland51"]

Look at history. ALL CONSOLES continue to have improvements in graphical quality, etc as their cycle progresses, due to new techniques being found, optimization code, etc. To say that the 360 is "tapped out" or "maxed out" in graphics is just flat out ridiculous.

AdrianWerner

yes, but history also shows us that the big improvements happen in first 2-3 years, after that the graphical quality does improve, but not by much

Thats true. But no one is expecting Reach to look one generation ahead. Also there are already great looking games on 360 like Gears2, Resident Evil 5, Assassins Creed 2, etc. Im expecting Reach to look a bit better than those (probably on pair with uncharted2) and im sure its possible.

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Am i right in saying that no 360 game has been built from the ground up, to take advantage of the hardware like killzone 2 on the PS3? If so then the 360 still has more left in it's 4 year old hardware.Racer850
Reach is supposed to be the first, with its X-Engine.
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]The really ironic thing about the OP is that the footage in the trailer is not even real time, they had to render the frames individually and then speed up the footage to a fast frame rate for solid playback. It also has postprocessed image quality improvements. In other words the graphics in the trailer are not actually attainable by the Xbox 360 in real time.Brownesque

We all know that they optimized the trailer, and that it won't look like this in-game. But even so, they did use the engine assets, so this is suggestive of how improved the in-game visuals will be from Halo 3 in-game graphics.

I would prefer to say it indicates how nice their highest fidelity renders will look. These are basically cutscene graphics, not ingame graphics. You have to realize that developers start out with the highest polygon render with the greatest amount of detail and reduce that and refine it so that it can fit within their expectations of how the game should perform in real time. The fact that they were incapable of getting the trailer to run in real time should be very telling. I'm sure they had beautiful, high-fidelity assets for Halo 3 as well, that's where all the trailer footage for that game came from. Gamers were noticably disappointed to see the actual game running in real time.

It should also be telling that the trailer was released with the game a good ten months away. Last I checked, ten months is plenty of time for code optimization. Their goal is to get as close to that as they can.
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Bungie has never been known for creating graphically impressive games. They are known for making great games.
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#94 ToScA-
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Bungie has never been known for creating graphically impressive games. lhughey
I thought Halo: CE and Halo 2 were impressive from a graphical viewpoint. The latter was certainly used the boast the technical prowess of the original Xbox.
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Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness

I think it looks great also, BUTXbox 360 launched in 2005 and Mass effect launched in 2007 and thenME2in 2010 compaired to PS3 in 2006 UC in 2007 and UC in 2009.

Not to mention that Xbox has been known how it works well while its hard to program on PS3 and just now being understood with great strides to come.

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#96 princeofshapeir
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Even as a Hermit, I find nothing special in Halo Reach's graphics.
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#97 hockeyruler12
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Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did.Kennysolidsnake
Gears 2 looks a lot better than Gears 1
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#98 Chutebox
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Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness
No it doesn't...what? Anywho, not it does not prove a thing.
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#99 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did.hockeyruler12
Gears 2 looks a lot better than Gears 1

Yes it did. (a lot better game too!)
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#100 johnnyblazed88
Member since 2008 • 4240 Posts

yea i think ME2 looks awesome

definitely one of the best looking games on consoles