The Halo Reach footage proves the 360 has peaked.

Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness

Bungie's games shouldn't be the ones to represent the Xbox360's graphical capabilities.

Shad0ki11

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. pstripl3

OMG uncharted is overrated

ME2 easily looks up there with it but some people just got uncharted on this pedestal like it cant be touched

OMG uncharted is overrated

ME2 easily looks up there with it but some people just got uncharted on this pedestal like it cant be touched

johnnyblazed88

Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness

Does it look fantastic? It looks gorgeous, however, it is NOT on par with Uncharted 2.

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OMG uncharted is overrated

ME2 easily looks up there with it but some people just got uncharted on this pedestal like it cant be touched

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

OMG uncharted is overrated

ME2 easily looks up there with it but some people just got uncharted on this pedestal like it cant be touched

clone01

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]The really ironic thing about the OP is that the footage in the trailer is not even real time, they had to render the frames individually and then speed up the footage to a fast frame rate for solid playback. It also has postprocessed image quality improvements. In other words the graphics in the trailer are not actually attainable by the Xbox 360 in real time.Brownesque

We all know that they optimized the trailer, and that it won't look like this in-game. But even so, they did use the engine assets, so this is suggestive of how improved the in-game visuals will be from Halo 3 in-game graphics.

Again, I DO realize the in-game graphics won't have the fidelity of the trailer, just as the Halo 3 in-game material wasn't as good as its trailer. But the new trailer is indicative of the improvements we'll see, in-game to in-game, from Halo 3 to Reach.

OMG uncharted is overrated

ME2 easily looks up there with it but some people just got uncharted on this pedestal like it cant be touched

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Well so far it can't....so ya.93soccer

You guys have a point, no doubt. This is why I'm so sick of the whole graphics debate. It's stupid to compare completely different games in graphics. Games like you said, AC, Infamous, GTA, etc don't "look" as good as UC2 but that's because the worlds are so big.

But the graphics debate will never die so...whatever!

And I'm not an Uncharted fanboy (I don't know if that was directed at me or not).

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="clone01"] i actually have to agree with johnnyblazed88. let's get this out of the way: i thought UC2 was a fantastic game. i enjoyed it immensely. however, i really don't think that the graphics love is justified. its a beautiful game, but i think its also extremely linear, and relied on a lot of set pieces and presentation to achieve the look. again, not saying its a bad thing. however, for my money, i'd put RE5 and assassin's creed 2 right up there with it. ME2? don't know yet. i'll have to see the final game with my own eyes to form an opinion.Chutebox

You guys have a point, no doubt. This is why I'm so sick of the whole graphics debate. It's stupid to compare completely different games in graphics. Games like you said, AC, Infamous, GTA, etc don't "look" as good as UC2 but that's because the worlds are so big.

But the graphics debate will never die so...whatever!

And I'm not an Uncharted fanboy (I don't know if that was directed at me or not).

It's possible, the 360 has been around for 4 years, so it might be close to it's limitkolkov01

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]The 360's has been "tapped out" SO many times...AdobeArtist

Yeah if anything, the fanboys have given a whole new award to 360.

"Console most repeatedly maxed out within its life cycle" :lol: :lol:

me 2 looks exactly like me 1stereointegrity

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]me 2 looks exactly like me 1mitu123

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]me 2 looks exactly like me 1stereointegrity

Quit your crying about graphics comparisons.

When Crytek releases Crysis 2 on both consoles then the consoles will have peaked. And as far as GFX king will go at that point, I'm pretty sure there will be retarded fanbois who zoom in 20x to see some jagged lines.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="mitu123"] No it doesn't, it looks better.

mitu123

Can we all pretty much agree that the 360 has peaked in terms of grahpics? I mean i cant think of one exclusive that looks as good as Gears Of War, and no game that has come out on the 360 since has been able to surpass Gears Of War in terms of of overall visuals and grahpics. Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did. After seeing the new "in game" footage of Halo Reach ive come to the conlusion that the 360 is already at peak in terms of visuals and graphics.

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

Kennysolidsnake

lol your picture and your name "Kennysolidsnake"

I think we got a new ps3 fanboy

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]me 2 looks exactly like me 1stereointegrity

I think graphics are incredibly improved on this one and if you have ME1 like you say its not hard to see the diferences. Here a vid of 360 version where you can see the new normandy.

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]the graphics looked no different from ME1 and i have it on the PC....dgsag

360 version. Now it doesnt make sense again :P

Heck Gears 2 didnt even look as visually impressive as Gears 1 did.

Kennysolidsnake

The fact that they were incapable of getting the trailer to run in real time should be very telling. Brownesque

Hi kenny! How's it going?

I mean if MS really wanted one game to really push visuals to the next level for the 360 it would be Halo Reach, but so far from what has been shown, the graphics engine is very underwhelming.. I think the 360 at this point has peaked graphically, thats probably another reason MS is now focusing on Natal, they know they have maximized the 360s technical capabilities so now they are just looking to a more motion based Natal type system to appeal to the casuals.

Kennysolidsnake

Since when have Halo games ever been graphically insane? Halo 2 wasn't even close to Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick graphics. Halo 3 was weak in graphics compared to other games released at the time. Halo ODST had meh graphics. How has Halo ever been a benchmark in determining graphical prowess? Shouldn't we wait and see what Mass Effect 2, Splinter Cell Conviction and other 2010 titles look like?

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="mitu123"] No it doesn't, it looks better.

PAL360

I think graphics are incredibly improved on this one and if you have ME1 like you say its not hard to see the diferences. Here a vid of 360 version where you can see the new normandy.

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]the graphics looked no different from ME1 and i have it on the PC....mitu123

I think graphics are incredibly improved on this one and if you have ME1 like you say its not hard to see the diferences. Here a vid of 360 version where you can see the new normandy.

Yep, it looks incredible. I assume the guy i quoted also agrees :P

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]me 2 looks exactly like me 1stereointegrity

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I have it on PC as well, maxed out, and I already see better textures, shadows, lighting, even the character models in ME1, while detailed, doesn't exactly match ME2 in my eyes, and the graphics in the 1st one were flawed. I'm kind of bias though.:P

PAL360

360 version. Now it doesnt make sense again :P

Im not into the whole extra shinyness of it all. and even with all that reflective surfaces I did not see any cast reflections and defushion casted on the surfaces.

AND as for comparison, HOW??? Overyly shiny world compared to more Green world of UC2 or gritty world of KZ2! The worlds are so different its more personal taste. I think that the look was too simple. There were so many lines not many curves. A real simple enviornment, would have to see the Physics to say if ithas any debth.

And it's not like PS3 exlusives look sooooooooooooo much better than Xbox 360 exclusives except for bullshots. :roll: The cow arrogance is strong in this thread.

Based off a trailer? Are you serious?SpiritOfFire117

Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="mitu123"] No it doesn't, it looks better.

mitu123

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I think graphics are incredibly improved on this one and if you have ME1 like you say its not hard to see the diferences. Here a vid of 360 version where you can see the new normandy.

PAL360

Yep, it looks incredible. I assume the guy i quoted also agrees :P

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]the graphics looked no different from ME1 and i have it on the PC....stereointegrity

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I have it on PC as well, maxed out, and I already see better textures, shadows, lighting, even the character models in ME1, while detailed, doesn't exactly match ME2 in my eyes, and the graphics in the 1st one were flawed. I'm kind of bias though.:P

mitu123

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]haha i have it maxed out but then again the game didnt play nice with my 4890 at the time and i was referring to the 360 version saying it would play like crap my badstereointegrity

Maybe, I don't really know though. Nothing at this point on 360 surpasses Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, but maybe some of these upcoming games can prove the 360 can do better than what it's shown so far.Doolz2024

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Mass Effect 2 looks fantastic on the 360 ....... on par with Uncharted 2. skidudeone27

agreed... mass effect 2 just looks gorgeous

The truth is that no system ever peaks in terms of performance. There's always better optimization to be made.

But i still think that the 360 won't achieve the PS3's quality gfx-wise. It's easier to develop games on, and it's been in the market for one whole year before the PS3, and yet it's losing in that department two consecutive years? That's proof enough to me.

The truth is that no system ever peaks in terms of performance. There's always better optimization to be made.

But i still think that the 360 won't achieve the PS3's quality gfx-wise. It's easier to develop games on, and it's been in the market for one whole year before the PS3, and yet it's losing in that department two consecutive years? That's proof enough to me.

SambaLele

it's pretty typical that graphics increases will diminish with time (think of a square-root line function) but like that aforementioned example, it will never "peak". you can allows find a way to improve efficiency- you just get to a level of diminishing returns on effort it takes to accomplish improvement.

of course, you can also have an improvement in general graphics tech, which has nothing to do with hardware. normal mapping and other texture improvements near the end of last-gen is a good example of that.