The hardest boss in Dark Souls (not including cheap, gimmicky ones) on normal

I've almost completed Dark Souls on PC after months of slogging. (I've been playing other games as well)

Only Manus, Kahlameet, and Gwynn are left. 

I must say that the DLC bosses, even Artorias, are harder than even the Lords like Nito or Seath the Scaleless. 

I'm curious if some of you agree with me. 

What is the hardest boss in Dark Souls, in your opinion, based on your relative soul level upon battling each boss?

Why?

Thank You.

Is this sytem wars related? :S

Is this sytem wars related? :S

MrSpieleMaster

Depends. Kenan and Kel if you don't have the DLC. Artorias if you're a mage or rely on range. Manus if you don't have a good shield/poise.tagyhag

Never played the DLC. Hardest bosses on normal are Ornstein and Smough, hardest boss on NG+ is Four Kings. ShoulderOfOrion

I agree with Giant Ornstein, but not electrified Smough. 

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Never played the DLC. Hardest bosses on normal are Ornstein and Smough, hardest boss on NG+ is Four Kings. Ravenshout

I agree with Giant Ornstein, but not electrified Smough. 

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Never played the DLC. Hardest bosses on normal are Ornstein and Smough, hardest boss on NG+ is Four Kings. ShoulderOfOrion

I agree with Giant Ornstein, but not electrified Smough. 

Four Kings or Ornsteain and Smough.

Every boss can be difficult enough if you don't have the right gear for it

Ren and stimpy, black drake in artorias (try cutting off his tail solo T_T, he's super easy other than that.), Gywn and Artorias I suppose.

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Four Kings is a joke on normal, but they're by far the boss that gets the biggest boost by new game plus. They have like four times the health and hit crazy hard. Ravenshout

Four Kings or Ornsteain and Smough.

Every boss can be difficult enough if you don't have the right gear for it

seanmcloughlin

Ornstein and Smough...is easy unless you kill Smough first and end up having to fight Giant Ornstein, which is crazy fast.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Four Kings or Ornsteain and Smough.

Every boss can be difficult enough if you don't have the right gear for it

Ravenshout

Ornstein and Smough...is easy unless you kill Smough first and end up having to fight Giant Ornstein, which is crazy fast.

I don't get why people say killing smough first is harder, smough is infinitely more annoying in the 2v1 phase and powered up ornstein isn't bad to fight at all, plus you get that nice armour! It's only after I finished it saw comments people were saying ornstein is the one to get rid of first and I'm like... really? Haha.

Maybe it's because he gets ninja gaiden esque and I love those games. Probably the same reason I didn't have such a harder time on artorias like other people did.

Bed of Chaos.

Bed of Chaos.

Obviously_Right

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Four Kings or Ornsteain and Smough.

Every boss can be difficult enough if you don't have the right gear for it

Ravenshout

Ornstein and Smough...is easy unless you kill Smough first and end up having to fight Giant Ornstein, which is crazy fast.

I always found Manus to be quite easy. Everyone says he's hard and a cool boss but I never liked him. Artorias is a harder fight

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Bed of Chaos.

Ravenshout

Seath the Scaleless in the Duke's Archives then.

Bed of Chaos.

Obviously_Right

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Four Kings or Ornsteain and Smough.

Every boss can be difficult enough if you don't have the right gear for it

seanmcloughlin

Ornstein and Smough...is easy unless you kill Smough first and end up having to fight Giant Ornstein, which is crazy fast.

I always found Manus to be quite easy. Everyone says he's hard and a cool boss but I never liked him. Artorias is a harder fight

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

turtlethetaffer

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

turtlethetaffer

But I feel that pyromancy makes most of the game kinda easy. 

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

BrunoBRS

Yeah my strategy consisted of staying jsut at the tip of his sword and only attacking when he tried to grab me or throw me.

I beat the entire game by myself since I'm offline, although I summoned phantoms a few times.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

BrunoBRS

Of course I can skip them, since they are optional, but once you beat Gwyn you beat the whole game. I want to beat them before starting the game on NG. 

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

Ravenshout

But I feel that pyromancy makes most of the game kinda easy. 

Didn't even need that. I managed to get behind him and just whaled on him. He never turned around fast enough to hit me and the skeletons were doing negligible damage to my characetr thanks to the armor I was wearing. The one time he used his AOE attack, I kidna panicked but aside from that he was a piece of cake.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

turtlethetaffer

Yeah my strategy consisted of staying jsut at the tip of his sword and only attacking when he tried to grab me or throw me.

I beat the entire game by myself since I'm offline, although I summoned phantoms a few times.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] you can parry gwin. it's hilarious when you fight him in a group, because the other guys can still hack away during the riposite animation.Ravenshout

Yeah my strategy consisted of staying jsut at the tip of his sword and only attacking when he tried to grab me or throw me.

I beat the entire game by myself since I'm offline, although I summoned phantoms a few times.

I got the Drake Sword and the Gargoyle fell to my blade like peasants to a king. Same with Capra demon.

Also the only time a phantom really helped me was on my first plathrough fighting the Iron Golem... The phantom did the fight for me :P

Aside from that, phantoms are next to useless from what I've seen.

you can parry gwin. it's hilarious when you fight him in a group, because the other guys can still hack away during the riposite animation.turtlethetaffer

Yeah my strategy consisted of staying jsut at the tip of his sword and only attacking when he tried to grab me or throw me.

I beat the entire game by myself since I'm offline, although I summoned phantoms a few times.

I beat the entire game alone too :) it's the best way to play through it first time I think. Really gives you a sense of isolation and hopelessness

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Yeah my strategy consisted of staying jsut at the tip of his sword and only attacking when he tried to grab me or throw me.

I beat the entire game by myself since I'm offline, although I summoned phantoms a few times.

turtlethetaffer

I got the Drake Sword and the Gargoyle fell to my blade like peasants to a king. Same with Capra demon.

Drake sword is for P*ssies

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"] Phantoms cheapen the experience, in my opinion. The only time I summoned one was when I had difficulty battling the Gargoyle on the roof of Undead Parish. I also never summon an ally. 

seanmcloughlin

I got the Drake Sword and the Gargoyle fell to my blade like peasants to a king. Same with Capra demon.

Drake sword is for P*ssies

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT ;)

I beat ornstein and dough first try, but artorias was crazy hard

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Bed of Chaos.

BrunoBRS

Kalameet.

Stringerboy

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The boss that took me the longest/ was most challenging was probably, Four Kings. It was a tough fight.

I don't really think any of the bosses in the game were cheap. even Priscilla was perfectly doable.  And they actually, for the most part, got easier as the game went on. I beat Nito with hardly breaking a sweat, I beat Seath on my second try (took a while to get to him though ebcause I kept dying on the way to him because my controller is screwy), I beat Capra Demon and Twin Gargoyles on my first try, I beat Bed of Chaos on my third try (more of a puzzle really) I beat Pinwheel on my first try.

The game is hugely misconcieved as being impossibly difficult. As long as you take things slow, be cautious and only take risks when you're certain they'll pay off, the game is far from impossible. If you play stupidly, sure, the game is uber tough, but I found it to be highly exaggerated, because it jsut forces you to take your time rather than rushing through.

That being said, Gwyn was also a pretty tough boss. But even then I got a pretty good strategy built around my character and he fel in... Six tries I think?

Lulekani

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

Peredith

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

Ravenshout

 

I beat the entire game alone too :) it's the best way to play through it first time I think. Really gives you a sense of isolation and hopelessness

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

BrunoBRS

1. Seath: I hit the 'radiating crystal thing' and just whacked him till death. However, he would regenerate his HP if one does not shatter the radiating object before, and he's a pushover, at least on normal difficulty, once you've shattered the said object. That's gimmicky. Forcing the player to 'solve' the boss is gimmicky. 

2. Ceaseless Discharge: I went through the path that meets with another path (the one that leads to the black pyromancy robe set) and stood at the meeting (just in front of big rock/ block). The tip of his appendage lands just in front of it when he slams onto the ground. So in my case I just stood there hit it before he raised it back. Rinse and Repeat. 

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

I beat the entire game alone too :) it's the best way to play through it first time I think. Really gives you a sense of isolation and hopelessness

mitu123

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

Ravenshout

I'll give you Bed Of Chaos ( :x ), but Seath and CD were neither cheap or gimmicky in my opinion

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Which bosses are "cheap and gimmicky"? :?

Peredith

I'll give you Bed Of Chaos ( :x ), but Seath and CD were neither cheap or gimmicky in my opinion

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

I beat the entire game alone too :) it's the best way to play through it first time I think. Really gives you a sense of isolation and hopelessness

Ravenshout

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Ravenshout"] Bed of Chaos, Seath the Scaleless, Ceaseless Discharge. 

Ravenshout

1. Seath: I hit the 'radiating crystal thing' and just whacked him till death. However, he would regenerate his HP if one does not shatter the radiating object before, and he's a pushover, at least on normal difficulty, once you've shattered the said object. That's gimmicky. Forcing the player to 'solve' the boss is gimmicky. 

2. Ceaseless Discharge: I went through the path that meets with another path (the one that leads to the black pyromancy robe set) and stood at the meeting (just in front of big rock/ block). The tip of his appendage lands just in front of it when he slams onto the ground. So in my case I just stood there hit it before he raised it back. Rinse and Repeat.