The ign review of Forza 3 is ridiculous.

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#101 xsubtownerx
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And Kevin V called Demon's Souls the best RPG this year. Reviewers have their own opinions, ya know. ;)
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#102 LOXO7
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Get over it, it is only a review.

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But he's right. It's unprofessional. It only fuels the argument between these too games even more. Theres no reason of mentioning another game in any reviews at all. A radio station wouldn't air a caller if they talked about another station, would they? This is what this review did. Well this part anyway. And its the worst time to do it. In closing the author brought it up? Not cool. You can go without saying anything and thinking this isn't a big deal but that wouldn't be correct.

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#103 LOXO7
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And Kevin V called Demon's Souls the best RPG this year. Reviewers have their own opinions, ya know. ;)xsubtownerx
But that's okay because Kevin doesn't give exact titles of games. It's different.

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#104 MrVertigo
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http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/forza_motorsport_3/review.html what about this?

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#105 Shhadow_Viper
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I'm not sure what the problem is? The review seems spot on with most other reviews of F3. The words may be harsh and incite this petty fued even further, but they are true.

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#106 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]And Kevin V called Demon's Souls the best RPG this year. Reviewers have their own opinions, ya know. ;)LOXO7

But that's okay because Kevin doesn't give exact titles of games. It's different.

You don't need to name titles when your claiming a game to be "the best". You're basically calling out every other games of that genre. In this case, RPGs.
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#107 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]And Kevin V called Demon's Souls the best RPG this year. Reviewers have their own opinions, ya know. ;)xsubtownerx

But that's okay because Kevin doesn't give exact titles of games. It's different.

You don't need to name titles when your claiming a game to be "the best". You're basically calling out every other games of that genre. In this case, RPGs.

I don't think so. If the author of this IGN review said something like it's going to be very hard for other racing sims to be better than Forza3. I feel it is not the same. It doesn't bother me as much. We could all figure what he is talking about anyways, but to say the game and the dev is just so...wrong.

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#108 SolarEclipze
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] But that's okay because Kevin doesn't give exact titles of games. It's different.

You don't need to name titles when your claiming a game to be "the best". You're basically calling out every other games of that genre. In this case, RPGs.

I don't think so. If the author of this IGN review said something like it's going to be very hard for other racing sims to be better than Forza3. I feel it is not the same. It doesn't bother me as much. We could all figure what he is talking about anyways, but to say the game and the dev is just so...wrong.

so what about gametrailers calling UC2 "the best looking game on the planet" is that also biased and unprofessional?
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#109 PBSnipes
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But he's right. It's unprofessional. It only fuels the argument between these too games even more. Theres no reason of mentioning another game in any reviews at all. A radio station wouldn't air a caller if they talked about another station, would they? This is what this review did. Well this part anyway. And its the worst time to do it. In closing the author brought it up? Not cool. You can go without saying anything and thinking this isn't a big deal but that wouldn't be correct.

LOXO7

Huh? First of all, you're blowing this completely out of proportion. All he said was that Forza 3 is a great game, and GT5 -- Forza 3's only rival -- is going to have a tough time topping it. He didn't say GT5 was going to be a worse game, he didn't say Forza 3 was and will always be the greatest racer of all time; all he said was Forza 3 is a great game, and it will be hard for its main competitor to top it. Something writers do all the time when writing similar articles.

Second, your comparison isn't apt. This is the equivalent of a radio DJ talking about how great Band X's record is, and how it'll be tough for the similar Band Y to top it. Again, something that happens all the time.

Finally, you seem to be under the impression that Hillary Goldstein (or any reviewer, for that matter) actually gives a rat's ass about "teh system warz". He doesn't.

There are plenty of relevant and significant complaints about gaming journalism. This isn't one of them.

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#110 foxhound_fox
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Deep and engrossing career mode? I doubt it.. unless they changed a lot from Forza 2.

MyopicCanadian


They did actually. Quite a bit. They have a "set" of events from all the different types of races (drift, drag, track, etc.) and the game randomly selects a "calendar" for you, and will modify the calendar as you play to include more of the types of races you play more often.

LOL, this topic is still going on, IGN is bias, what more do you need to know? I don't even visit that site a lot anymore either as well.

mitu123


This IGN review was written by the same person who said this about Forza 2: "Jaggies, jaggies, and more jaggies. At times, it appears this is LEGO Forza Motorsport 2. The drab colors and weak art design don't help. 60fps is welcome, though."

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#111 NAPK1NS
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I cant believe that they let this guy do the review with a closing argument of "good luck topping it" lol

Professional fanboy reviews are always an instant FAIL.

Look at what he said here... http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1033110p3.html

Read the closing argument, you seriously wont believe it!!!

MJ4040
The score and the game are totally amazing looking but upon reading the review I have to agree. I actually turned to my girlfriend after reading that line and asked "Doesn't that seem a little unprofessional?" Oh well. It's Goldstein, the guy who said that GTA4 was worth $300, the guy is an idiot.
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#112 MrVertigo
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The game's out on October 23 here are some reviews - I had removed some no name reviewers and also other Xbox sites that might be called bias:

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/08/forza-3-reviews-go-live-all-looking-rosy/

IGN UK – 9.4/10

IGN US – 9.4/10

Team Xbox – 9.5/10

Gamespy – 4.5/5 G4 – 5/5

NowGamer – 9.2/10

Videogamer – 10/10

GameDaily – 9/10

GameReactor.no – 7/10

CVG – 9/10 Gamer.no – 9/10

1UP – A-

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#113 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

But he's right. It's unprofessional. It only fuels the argument between these too games even more. Theres no reason of mentioning another game in any reviews at all. A radio station wouldn't air a caller if they talked about another station, would they? This is what this review did. Well this part anyway. And its the worst time to do it. In closing the author brought it up? Not cool. You can go without saying anything and thinking this isn't a big deal but that wouldn't be correct.

PBSnipes

Huh? First of all, you're blowing this completely out of proportion. All he said was that Forza 3 is a great game, and GT5 -- Forza 3's only rival -- is going to have a tough time topping it. He didn't say GT5 was going to be a worse game, he didn't say Forza 3 was and will always be the greatest racer of all time; all he said was Forza 3 is a great game, and it will be hard for its main competitor to top it. Something writers do all the time when writing similar articles.

Second, your comparison isn't apt. This is the equivalent of a radio DJ talking about how great Band X's record is, and how it'll be tough for the similar Band Y to top it. Again, something that happens all the time.

Finally, you seem to be under the impression that Hillary Goldstein (or any reviewer, for that matter) actually gives a rat's ass about "teh system warz". He doesn't.

There are plenty of relevant and significant complaints about gaming journalism. This isn't one of them.

There is other racing sims out there. Just that Forza3 and GT5 are the most talked about now. The only reason Polyphony Digital and GT5 was mentioned because of the heat of everyone comparing the two games. I don't think it is necessary to have GT5 in the Forza3 review. Reviewers DO GIVE A **** load about what their readers talk about. They want to relate to them. Which I guess is part of why he made space to put the other game in the review. To keep people thinking about it and making people think they are keeping up with what is being said.

Btw. My radio station was Forza3's review. The caller (reviewer) mentions another radio station (GT5) on Forza3 review or station. Unheard of. In real life though they allways say best radio station in area. But never another radio name. I know what you thought I meant. Which doesn't work, true.

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#114 chapnzaba
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Doesn't GT4 have a higher score than that?
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#115 789shadow
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Massive damage control for a review that doesn't count in SW?

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#116 foxhound_fox
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here is other racing sims out there.LOXO7

Other than Forza and GT, I haven't come across sims like them on any platform. They are that fine line between masochistic learning curve combined with hyper-realism and too arcadey to be considered a "sim." i.e. PGR, GRID, etc.

Not to mention the car selection in both games is almost unheard of in other racers.

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#117 Manticore7
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Seeing how highly IGN has rated every gran turismo, gran turismo will have no trouble topping forza 3 (according to ign)

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#118 DoomZaW
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What? did score come to close to the all holy uncharted 2? :P

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#119 Longcat2
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Woah there is already huge damage control for this and this isn't even GS's review!

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#120 Tessellation
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wow non GS reviews are causing this damage,i can't wait to see the GS review damage,either way i think GS are going to flop it,they have been flopping PC and Xbox 360 games lately and giving AAA scores to ps3 games,so that tells you something.
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#121 PrimusGears
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bottom line is cows should be upset since the 360 has gotten two AAAE racing sims and it is the definitive racer of this gen. GT5 has been talked about more, but in the time span it produced a garbage GT5 Prologue 7,5 and who knows what will happen in 6 months. I dont think it will top Forza 3 either, Turn10 has worked harder, and has been more proactive than PG. Sorry if the truth hurts, the DC in this thread shows just that!!!

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#122 Tessellation
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bottom line is cows should be upset since the 360 has gotten two AAAE racing sims and it is the definitive racer of this gen. GT5 has been talked about more, but in the time span it produced a garbage GT5 Prologue 7,5 and who knows what will happen in 6 months. I dont think it will top Forza 3 either, Turn10 has worked harder, and has been more proactive than PG. Sorry if the truth hurts, the DC in this thread shows just that!!!

PrimusGears
And the Fact that Forza 3 took 2 years to be made..and the other is taking 5 years and months...
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#123 Blixxed
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Massive damage control for a review that doesn't count in SW?

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Yep, typical day in System Wars.

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#124 PrimusGears
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[QUOTE="PrimusGears"]

bottom line is cows should be upset since the 360 has gotten two AAAE racing sims and it is the definitive racer of this gen. GT5 has been talked about more, but in the time span it produced a garbage GT5 Prologue 7,5 and who knows what will happen in 6 months. I dont think it will top Forza 3 either, Turn10 has worked harder, and has been more proactive than PG. Sorry if the truth hurts, the DC in this thread shows just that!!!

Tessellation

And the Fact that Forza 3 took 2 years to be made..and the other is taking 5 years and months...

lol good luck topping that one GT5 has a ton of pressure on it, by the time GT5 comes out and gets AA status, the real racer sim fans will be wondering about Forza 4..... Wow gotta be impressed with Turn10....

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#125 gamefan67
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You're interpreting it wrong. Putting fanboyism where there is none to start a flamewar isn't such a great idea.

He said it's the best racing game so far this generation. We, as informed gamers, know that GT5 is the competition to Forza 3, right? As a professional reviewer I'd think he'd know as well. So of course Polyphony has to beat it. He's not saying they won't, just saying it'll be hard to top such a great game.

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I'm glad someone here can figure that out.

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#126 Malta_1980
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The IGN review is fine, Forza3 is getting loads of great scores from various other 'reliable' sites so haters should just relax and accept that there is a great racing game coming out on a console they dont like/own..

In the end a review is just another opinion, IGN gave GT (PSP)a very low score but i'm having a blast playing the game, imo its actually the best racing game on a handhled i've ever played..

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#127 PrimusGears
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The IGN review is fine, Forza3 is getting loads of great scores from various other 'reliable' sites so haters should just relax and accept that there is a great racing game coming out on a console they dont like/own..

In the end a review is just another opinion, IGN gave GT (PSP)a very low score but i'm having a blast playing the game, imo its actually the best racing game on a handhled i've ever played..

Malta_1980

why dont I post jaggies from the DEMO like the fanboys were doing a week ago.... Oh this is a sweet night!!! Gamespot 9.5 will be so ownage....

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#128 delta3074
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what is wrong with the cow's on this forum, if a 360 game scores well, it's a conspiracy or the reviewer is biased or the reviewer is lying, what if the game is just good and it actually deserves that score and actually desrved what the guy said about it, i hope we don't see this level of childish behaviour in the future
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#129 dreman999
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The IGN review is fine, Forza3 is getting loads of great scores from various other 'reliable' sites so haters should just relax and accept that there is a great racing game coming out on a console they dont like/own..

In the end a review is just another opinion, IGN gave GT (PSP)a very low score but i'm having a blast playing the game, imo its actually the best racing game on a handhled i've ever played..

Malta_1980

Not more than motorstorm. It has a career mode............................and online.

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#130 II_Seraphim_II
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Wow Tc...really? Its a fair review. Just accept that the game is awesome :?
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#131 LOXO7
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Wow Tc...really? Its a fair review. Just accept that the game is awesome :?II_Seraphim_II
Too many misinterpretations on SW. TC said nothing about the game not being awesome. It's just about the closing statements of the review.

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#132 FamiBox
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Bu..but.. the 360 is finished now right? It's not meant to get any more great games. It's the year of the PS3 (sob... cry.)

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#133 SolarEclipze
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Wow Tc...really? Its a fair review. Just accept that the game is awesome :?LOXO7

Too many misinterpretations on SW. TC said nothing about the game not being awesome. It's just about the closing statements of the review.

ok then, why would TC let someone's OPINION get him all upset? I
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#134 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="SolarEclipze"][QUOTE="LOXO7"]

Wow Tc...really? Its a fair review. Just accept that the game is awesome :?II_Seraphim_II
Too many misinterpretations on SW. TC said nothing about the game not being awesome. It's just about the closing statements of the review.

ok then, why would TC let someone's OPINION get him all upset? I

I'm not him, but...Read the first post and figure it out. Or ask him directly.
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#135 fireballonfire
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Sony-fanboys are like sobbing little children at kindergarden having toys being taken by the other kids.

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#136 Leo-Magic
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[QUOTE="MJ4040"]

I cant believe that they let this guy do the review with a closing argument of "good luck topping it" lol

Professional fanboy reviews are always an instant FAIL.

Look at what he said here... http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1033110p3.html

Read the closing argument, you seriously wont believe it!!!

the game is good, the score is beautiful....suck it up!!
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#137 Evz0rz
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Jesus Christ fanboys annoy the **** out of me...if a review isn't in favor of their system it's either the reviewer was paid off or hes biased. Maybe Forza 3 is just that good, maybe demon's souls is just that good, and maybe Uncharted 2 is just that good.

I know for a lot of you here it helps you sleep at night thinking that your system is better than the others, but honestly, you don't need to be an ignorant ******* about it, because in reality, whatever conclusion you come up with, your console isn't better than the other one.

EDIT: sorry for the rant

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#138 fireballonfire
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Jesus Christ fanboys annoy the **** out of me...if a review isn't in favor of their system it's either the reviewer was paid off or hes biased. Maybe Forza 3 is just that good, maybe demon's souls is just that good, and maybe Uncharted 2 is just that good.

I know for a lot of you here it helps you sleep at night thinking that your system is better than the others, but honestly, you don't need to be an ignorant ******* about it, because in reality, whatever conclusion you come up with, your console isn't better than the other one.

EDIT: sorry for the rant

Evz0rz

Andyou just had to make too much sense?

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#139 Evz0rz
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[QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

Jesus Christ fanboys annoy the **** out of me...if a review isn't in favor of their system it's either the reviewer was paid off or hes biased. Maybe Forza 3 is just that good, maybe demon's souls is just that good, and maybe Uncharted 2 is just that good.

I know for a lot of you here it helps you sleep at night thinking that your system is better than the others, but honestly, you don't need to be an ignorant ******* about it, because in reality, whatever conclusion you come up with, your console isn't better than the other one.

EDIT: sorry for the rant

fireballonfire

Andyou just had to make too much sense?

Yeah sorry about that..I forgot that logic is a big no-no here
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#140 mgs_freak91
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Yes, I'm really gonna take your oppinion over a professional reviewer who spent at least a hundred hours playing the game (which you just lost by the way) before he reviewed it. Trust me.

Longcat2
Well why not take either his OPINION or the reviewers OPINION to heart actually :P Being OPINIONS and all. Not trying to be a fanboy, but I think that GT5 will outscore Forza 3. That is just what I think though. Both are great games, just gotta see what happens, I guess.
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#141 SpinoRaptor24
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No it isn't

You just can accept the fact that IGN (and many other reliable sites) are giving Forza 3 generally positive reviews. So of course, you, and many other PS3 fanboys, somehow come up with these reasons that the sites were either payed off by MS, or that they're extremely biased, with absolutely no solid proof to backup these statements and claims.

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#142 masiisam
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Bias or not….the fans will be playing the game in less than 3 weeks…The fanboys will be posting on a website…

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#143 Allthishate
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Cows jst cant get it in there small heads that Forza is simply better then gt5 and are to blind to see the light >.> .

Wake up smell thecoffee cows u jst got pawned .

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#144 Evz0rz
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Cows jst cant get it in there small heads that Forza is simply better then gt5 and are to blind to see the light >.> .

Wake up smell thecoffee cows u jst got pawned .

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They got pawned? How much did they sell for?
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#145 mgs_freak91
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Cows jst cant get it in there small heads that Forza is simply better then gt5 and are to blind to see the light >.> .

Wake up smell thecoffee cows u jst got pawned .

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I don't see how they are pawned if the other racing sim hasn't even come out yet :S Or is that just me? Whether GT5 comes out next year or not, Forza is in direct competition to Gran Turismo. Also those who have been saying that Turn 10 have been working harder - where is your proof? The TC is acting like a fanboy, he is a fanboy - what is your excuse? People just need to wait before GT5 comes out before saying something like Forza 3 > GT5. Yea, I agree - Forza 3 is the best racing simulator OUT. I agree 110% Also, even those it is quality which we care about, GT5P wasn't absolute garbage. It still got decent ratings, not to mention it sold 3.5 million copies - yea an overpriced "demo" sold that much. Go figure.
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#146 JLF1
Member since 2005 • 8263 Posts

No it isn't

You just can accept the fact that IGN (and many other reliable sites) are giving Forza 3 generally positive reviews. So of course, you, and many other PS3 fanboys, somehow come up with these reasons that the sites were either payed off by MS, or that they're extremely biased, with absolutely no solid proof to backup these statements and claims.

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I fully agree but at the same time I don't think stuff like that belongs in a review.

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#147 delta3074
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*newsflash* the playstation is no longer the be all and end all of consoles, it isn't the king anymore, cows should just suck it up and deal with it, this whole attitude that games cannot be good because they are not on the playstation is incredibly childish, forza 3 is good, not just one but many reviewers have said so and to think they are all biased is delusional, cows are in denial that maybe, just maybe, the 360 is just as good as the ps3 and that some 360 games are as good or better than some ps3 games, get over it and stop being jerks about it (you know who you are)
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#148 Blixxed
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[QUOTE="Allthishate"]

Cows jst cant get it in there small heads that Forza is simply better then gt5 and are to blind to see the light >.> .

Wake up smell thecoffee cows u jst got pawned .

mgs_freak91

I don't see how they are pawned if the other racing sim hasn't even come out yet :S Or is that just me? Whether GT5 comes out next year or not, Forza is in direct competition to Gran Turismo. Also those who have been saying that Turn 10 have been working harder - where is your proof? The TC is acting like a fanboy, he is a fanboy - what is your excuse? People just need to wait before GT5 comes out before saying something like Forza 3 > GT5. Yea, I agree - Forza 3 is the best racing simulator OUT. I agree 110% Also, even those it is quality which we care about, GT5P wasn't absolute garbage. It still got decent ratings, not to mention it sold 3.5 million copies - yea an overpriced "demo" sold that much. Go figure.

Oh snap! Someone else in System Wars not yapping about AAA this and AAA that!

Just put prolouge in yo facessss.

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#149 Racer850
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Another butthurt Sony fanboy, sorry we have the definitve racing game, and you're stuck with a demo.
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#150 Racer850
Member since 2009 • 2293 Posts

No it isn't

You just can accept the fact that IGN (and many other reliable sites) are giving Forza 3 generally positive reviews. So of course, you, and many other PS3 fanboys, somehow come up with these reasons that the sites were either payed off by MS, or that they're extremely biased, with absolutely no solid proof to backup these statements and claims.

SpinoRaptor24
The cows are jealous, they can't stand the constant AAA forza games, it gets to them.