The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater vs Halo 3

It's in the OP, but basically each of these games won best game of their respective platform.

So it's just a throw down between SW's picks for the best SNES, PS2 and 360 games.

A bit tough for Halo to go up against those games... but for me personally, of course I say Halo.

A Link to the Past stands as one of the best in the series. So is MGS3 but I can't vouch for that one personally. Halo 3 was very good but far from my favorite in the series.

SNAKE EATER!!!!!!!

Seriously way better game than A Link to the Past which how it won over most Nintendo games I'll never quite understand.

I hate Metal Gear and Halo 3 killed a huge chunk of my love for that franchise, so I'll go with ALttP even though I like it but don't love it.

Being people's favourite game on their favourite platform from each of the big 3.

Lool MGS3 and Halo

Voted MGS3, just to flip the bird to Chaz.

LttP probably best Zelda ever though.

MGS 3, no contest. I actually enjoyed the quirky nonsense story.

Tried to get into Zelda games several times but I didn't like a single one of the ones I tried. And Halo 3 is just... bad.

I know it's going to be odd coming from me since I'm a huge MGS fan and I even voted for Snake Eater in this thread, but..

ALttP is a much tighter game really. It played perfectly back then and it still does today. Game hasn't aged a day. It's excellent. It's a perfect example of how truly great game design isn't affected by the times.

MGS3 is awesome. I love the damn game. As far as beginning to end play throughs go, it's definitely in the dozens for me (between original and Sub version). But if I were to add up all the time I spent dicking around on save files in every different area of the game, it would add up to well over 50 play throughs.

All that said though, the game is terribly flawed. The controls were inexcusable on release day. Some simple actions could involve up to six buttons, some of which are pressure sensitive. Much of the pressure sensitive stuff made little sense anyways. Beyond the messy controls, the game took a huge step back from MGS2 in terms of responsiveness. Many actions had an odd delay and collision boxes were a joke. It was also the first MGS game to throw any semblance of balance out the window. You could just run straight through most of the areas if you wanted to. If you came across opposition while doing that, you could just slam every guard in sight with Snakes stretch arms, while taking very little damage. This even worked on extreme lol. Even the AI was worse than MGS2. Somewhat excusable because of the larger organic environments, but still.

And the whole camo swapping and survival menu was a mess. Slow ass multi layered menus that take you straight out of the action. The idea of survival stuff was great, the execution was horrid. Nobody wants to go into a pause menu and play a simple version of operation so Snake can tend to his wounds. Nobody wants to pause the game every few feet to get the best blend with the environment.

Of course that's just all the bad, the game does plenty of good. Boss fights were a lot of fun. The stealth play is tense and varied if you didn't cheese it. The action was satisfying. Level design was really good. Tons of easter eggs, tons of room for experimentation, a bad ass soundtrack, a story that hit all the right notes, one of the best final stretches in a game EVER.

Snake Eater is AWESOME. But it's easy to see how A Link to the Past can be considered the better game.

@ConanTheStoner: Better Designed yeah. Snake Eater Vanilla was pretty bad, but when I think about Snake Eater I'm thinking Subsistence which has you actually controlling the camera and such.

Yeah I can see why people would prefer A Link to the Past to Snake Eater any day, but I still think MGS3 is a far better game. And that should just show you how far gaming has come from between 13 years.

legend of Zelda a link to the past.

@LegatoSkyheart:

Yeah, Subsistence was a HUGE improvement. Amazing how far a simple camera scheme can go lol.

I just think ALttP is the better designed game, but I'm with you in my preference for MGS3. Much greater than the sum of its parts, very memorable game, and in the end I spent much more time with it than I ever did with ALttP. I had to give MGS3 my vote, no way around it, one of my favorite games ever.

@darkspineslayer: That's cold, brotato chip.

Damn, I didn't expect Snake Eater to pull ahead. Thought it would be close, but not in the lead.

@Bigboi500: @charizard1605 is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. (that would be @ConanTheStoner)
So we'll troll him. Because he can take it.
Because he's a silent guardian.
A watchful Moderator.

The derp knight.

@ConanTheStoner:

Finally somebody speaking truth about MGS3. The flaws you described is probably why MGS2 is better.

@ConanTheStoner: Your skills are sublime, oh brosen one.

MGS2 is definitely the tighter game. Better? Depends I guess. They both do great things in completely different ways. I have a tough time picking between the two. MGS3 is the more bloated game and it's clunky by comparison, but it still offers an experience that is really cool and far different from MGS2.

@Bigboi500: lol, thanks bro.

Not every western action game is Bulked up space Marines but that stereo type gets used. I used a stereo type, that's all. I look at the art style of many JRPGs and I am turned off by them. Its not a competition. Places like this, or DICE awards or the Grammy's and Oscar's are lies dude. There is no such thing as best in terms of subjective entertainment. Sean Penn even said it when he finally showed up to the awards because his wife and Clint Eastwood asked him to.

@charizard1605: Get some rest bro

@ConanTheStoner:

MGS2 still gave you a lot those situations moments like MGS1 did while MGS3 felt like just go from one end to the other.

Well yeah. MGS3 can be boiled down to go to Grozyj Grad, escape Groznyj Grad, go back. Or if you're talking specific areas, sure, it was more like just keep pushing forward past this set of guards. The game was very much a straight line with little diversion. You didn't have many off beat bits like the retinal scan, Ames pace maker, etc.. It never hampered the experience for me though.

I just enjoy the contrast between the two games. MGS2 was more about on your toes stealth, quick improvisations, etc. It's puzzle like in nature, but even when you think you have a room solved, your execution can go wrong and you have to think quickly to resolve the situation. MGS3 is more of a slow creep kind of stealth. You lie in wait, taking in all the surrounding threats. If an obstacle/guard seems too tough to ghost past, you weigh your options. Do you risk taking him out to clear your path, or will it bring the rest of his buddies down on you? You're trying to maintain being the hunter but at any moment you can become the hunted. Two very different takes on MGS.

Where MGS3 did step it up though, was in the action. Sure you could blast your way to safety in MGS2, but you could tell the game was meant to be pure stealth. The mechanics and level designed were built around stealth exclusively. MGS3 actually made action satisfying. Getting spotted wasn't necessarily the end of your fun. Good stuff.

I can definitely understand the preference either way really. I had a lot of friends who were turned off by MGS3 because it wasn't as tight and cohesive of an experience as MGS2. Doing a perfect run on the hardest difficulty is nowhere near as satisfying in MGS3 as it was in MGS2.

But then I had some friends who thought the series was ass until MGS3:Sub came out. They weren't fans of tight corridor stealth, or locked camera angles. They didn't like how getting spotted felt like a fail state.

Like I said though, I'm evenly split on it. I appreciate what both games bring to the table.

Gonna go with A Link to the Past. MGS 3 at least comes close to giving it a competition, but Halo 3 is so far behind those two.

MGS3 loved the camouflage suits blending in with the surroundings.

@khoofia_pika: lol the worst mgs game is close to giving LTTP competition?

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

It's actually my favourite MGS game. But I expected another terrible opinion from you mems >.<

@ConanTheStoner said:

@darkspineslayer said:

The derp knight.

Is that a potato on his chest?

@93BlackHawk93 said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@darkspineslayer said:

The derp knight.

Is that a potato on his chest?

Nah, he's just happy to see us

I swear I shouldn't have watched Rocky, I read all this in a Sylvester Stallone voice XD

Preach, brother. PREACH.

That, ladies and gents, is the correct answer.

@ConanTheStoner: I laughed at that image way harder than I should have.

Are you high or just stupid?

Peace Walker and MGS4 exist. Not even counting Portable Ops.

Metal Gear Solid 3 being the worst MGS. What a joke.

@DarkLink77: it's the worst actual mgs game. I don't count the portable trash. I come to metal gear for the stupid story and 3's is by far the worst. Gameplay in MGS has always been complete and utter garbage(especially compared to splinter cell) until 5 but even mgs 3 managed to take all those clumbsy, convoluted systems and controls and shit more needless garbage on top. The camo and healing systems are God awful. There are only two good things about mgs3. The dude that shoots bees at you and ocelots stupid cat meowing. The rest is hot garbage. I'd rather play MGS4 because that least that's playable and that fist fight on arsenal gear is better than anything in 3.

PS: The Boss sucks ass.

Why Halo 3 over Reach?

@mems_1224: Troll attempt of the year. Not biting, though. Too obvious.

MGS3 for me.

Will give credit to the other two games:

Zelda mad a big impact back in the day, not my days but if it wasn't for it and Nintendo, gaming might have been a dead thing.

And Halo 3 for making me get a 360.

Well this is a much nicer poll then the other one, but still...damn you @charizard1605.

@foxhound_fox: I've never said mass effect 2 is the best RPG of all time

a) He was responding to mems, maybe you need to read properly before you jump in with your snide remarks

b) I don't remember saying it's the greatest RPG of all time. I remember saying it is an RPG, as opposed to what you were saying, and that the game is quality. Again, pay a little more attention while you read.

Sheesh.

His comprehension is a little sketchy, don't mind him.

You get that butthurt over a simple mistake? LOL

@DarkLink77: not even trolling this time. Mgs3 is complete and utter bullshit

So you think 4's story is better than 3?

Come on, now.

Butthurt over a simple mistake? Clearly you're choosing to focus on only one part of what I wrote to suit yourself.

More like mildly annoyed over you jumping to conclusions, but whatever.

Halo 3 is one of my favorite online multiplayer shooters, and it's very different from the other two- you can spend hours in that multiplayer messing around and having fun, while the other two games you just go through over and over again until you know everything about them.

Anyway, LTTP