The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks -- 8.5 on GS

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]8.5 is a good score but after watching the review he made it sound like 9.0. There weren't enough negative aspects of the game for it to be lowered, and also he said it was better than Phantom Hourglass. It's an exellent game, not just ' great'!DaViD_99

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

I love how the video review says Spirit Tracks is superior to Phantom Hourglass, but then it gets a lower score. Oh, Gamespot :roll:

Still a great score and a good reason to break out the DS, nonetheless.mythrol

Times have changed since PH came out. Do you think PDZ would still score a 9.0 if it came out now?

Assassin's Creed II was a clearly better game than Assassin's Creed... yet scored the same. Halo 2 on the PC was called the "definitive version" yet scored 7.0 to the Xbox version's 9.4.

This is one reason why comparing scores between platforms, genres, and games in the same series is meaningless, which in turn makes scores meaningless.foxhound_fox

Yeah, I know. It made me think of Assassin's Creed too. While there is the element of personal preference from the reviewer, I think the greatest factor contributing to the weird scores is a game's time of release. Mainly because GS changes its standards from time to time. *Looks at the two 10s in '08* The standards are also different at the beginning of a generation since reviewers don't know exactly what to expect... hence why PDZ got a 9. I think an 8.5 is a fine score and I don't really care all that much anyway, but as some people are mentioning, it seems strange that it got said score when the only complaint is that it's easy. At least the video review was very thorough and professional. Just seems like what is said in many reviews lately doesn't match the score the game is given.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Quite frankly, I preferred the old system. By alot.foxhound_fox

I'm completely ok with this

I'd prefer this method too

[QUOTE="DaViD_99"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]8.5 is a good score but after watching the review he made it sound like 9.0. There weren't enough negative aspects of the game for it to be lowered, and also he said it was better than Phantom Hourglass. It's an exellent game, not just ' great'!Marka1700

Yea, i mean geez its running that on a 66Mhz CPU with 4MB of RAM.

I think they are cutting edge for the tech driving them honestly, if any game gets every drop of DS power out of it, its the Zelda DS games

lol not too challenging??? 8.5???WTHFILIPINOMAZTER

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Quite frankly, I preferred the old system. By alot.gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]How is not too challenging the only minus if the game got an 8.5?Cherokee_Jack

The Bad section does not contain every criticism the reviewer had of the game. You can't condense all that into some bullet points.

Ahh if people only read the most sensible posts in a thread...

Anyway, sounds pretty good to me. I haven't read or seen anything related to the game. Not because of spoilers, but because I wasn't that interested in it to begin with. Now all of a sudden I feel like playing a Zelda game; so, since I've already gone all this time without any info on it, I might as well not read the review. Besides, I can't remember the last time I played a Zelda game without being exposed to a significant amount of spoilers.

That's not too bad. I just started playing the game, I think it's pretty good. It deserves a 9.0 in my book. 9.5 if it had voice acting. Seriously Nintendo, get with the times.93soccer

Name 10 games on the DS with voice acting, then tell me why it is needed.

Scores have their uses. I mean, I stayed away from Games lower than a 5/10 as though it was the black plague, and it has worked perfectly for me.

gmc2u_64

Great score. Can't wait to get my hands on this along with Silent Hill: SM this weekend.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]Scores have their uses. I mean, I stayed away from Games lower than a 5/10 as though it was the black plague, and it has worked perfectly for me.

foxhound_fox

I have no idea who was the idiot that came up with the 10.0 grading scale. Video games should never be reviewed in such a scale. Movies got it right with 5 or 4 star reviews. Its the same system you use in something like Amazon. Its perfect because, like you said earlier, it comes down to how well the reviewer liked the game and not a bunch of stupid technical aspects that end up lowering the score and sparking all the controversy.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]Scores have their uses. I mean, I stayed away from Games lower than a 5/10 as though it was the black plague, and it has worked perfectly for me.

foxhound_fox

Also, the name of that obscure shooter that you mentioned has already turned me off.

A 9.0 is like good and an 8.5 is like bad. And everything above a 9.0 is just more good, and everything below 8.5 is just more bad.

Look, I had BAD experiences with games lower than a 5/10 (Super Man 64 & Power Rangers 64 come to mind). So I hope you see why I stay away from those games.

gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]Look, I had BAD experiences with games lower than a 5/10 (Super Man 64 & Power Rangers 64 come to mind). So I hope you see why I stay away from those games.

foxhound_fox

Sorry, but me opinion stands. There's NO WAY I'll be playing those games after MY experiences. Is that understandable?

gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]Sorry, but me opinion stands. There's NO WAY I'll be playing those games after MY experiences. Is that understandable?

foxhound_fox

An hour in and I can already see it's far superior to PH. Guiding the Phantom/Zelda in coordination with Link has made it the most original Zelda in ages. Tries something completely new and makes it fit seamlessly into the classic formula. It's all set among fantastically done classic Zelda, I can't wait to play some more. First impressions I'd give a 9.5.

I don't know what Game Spot was thinking... oh wait yes I do, they hate Nintendo and refuse to give AAA status games a AAA score, and the few AAA games that get a AAA score all get 9s so they can still say they're inferior to other games. The review read like a 9.0, if not a 9.5!

A 9.0 is like good and an 8.5 is like bad. And everything above a 9.0 is just more good, and everything below 8.5 is just more bad.

mdisen2

I don't know what Game Spot was thinking... oh wait yes I do, they hate Nintendo and refuse to give AAA status games a AAA score, and the few AAA games that get a AAA score all get 9s so they can still say they're inferior to other games. The review read like a 9.0, if not a 9.5! DeeDeeDee-er

Is that really what you think?

The reviewer knew it was worth a 9, but he just HATES THAT STUPID NINTENDO SO MUCH that he gave it 8.5 just to spite them?

Seriously?

anyways every Zelda since wind waker has been easy as hell so this not being too challenging is no surprise.

I'm just hoping it's atleast somewhat harder than phantom hourglass.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]Scores have their uses. I mean, I stayed away from Games lower than a 5/10 as though it was the black plague, and it has worked perfectly for me.

Samurai_Xavier

I have no idea who was the idiot that came up with the 10.0 grading scale. Video games should never be reviewed in such a scale. Movies got it right with 5 or 4 star reviews. Its the same system you use in something like Amazon. Its perfect because, like you said earlier, it comes down to how well the reviewer liked the game and not a bunch of stupid technical aspects that end up lowering the score and sparking all the controversy.

The score I expected, I'm sure it'll be great though, I loved PH.

Looses points for the stupid 'Blowing' mechanics in my opinion.

why do nintendo feel that the need to shoe horn pointless wacky novelty gimmicks into their games. If it was optional fine. but its not. their so many times where you HAVE to blow in to the DS. so in public (at work, on the bus or train) you look like an idiot. their a point in it where you need to use its for a good hour or so solidly.

as for it not being TOO challenging i have too agree, im maybe halfway through and ive only had one time when ive died, and that was down to the poor shooting mechanics on the train. (which is IDENTICAL to the ship in PH)

I will finish it though. and i am enjoying it loads.

I love how the video review says Spirit Tracks is superior to Phantom Hourglass, but then it gets a lower score. Oh, Gamespot :roll:

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="Chiddaling"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Whats with that review? "Cons: Not TOO chalenging" i wouldn't want a game that is too challenging, if it's too challenging i'd want to give up.Nibroc420

I took it you were joking, but now it's clear you're not, so let me explain this.

"Not too challenging" is an expression. A turn of phrase. It doesn't mean that the game isn't overly challenging. It means that it's not as challenging as the reviewer thinks it should be.

I love how the video review says Spirit Tracks is superior to Phantom Hourglass, but then it gets a lower score. Oh, Gamespot :roll:

Still a great score and a good reason to break out the DS, nonetheless.

PatchMaster

gamespot isnt really smart when it comes to reviews

somehow all i could think of when reading this review was halo ODST o,O

even if i like this dude who reviewed it

the dude who reviewed ODST is just wierd

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Chiddaling"] If you've been a long time Zelda fan, you'd know how the series is with their difficult tasks, Ocarina Of Time for example.Cherokee_Jack

I took it you were joking, but now it's clear you're not, so let me explain this.

"Not too challenging" is an expression. A turn of phrase. It doesn't mean that the game isn't overly challenging. It means that it's not as challenging as the reviewer thinks it should be.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] OoT wasn't that hard. but that doesn't make it a con... Wii bowling i easy too, lets lower it's score then. Seriously, are we catering to idiots? if a game is honestly hard enough where you set it down and go "This game is too hard" THEN it deserves a lower score, Why the opposite?Nibroc420

I took it you were joking, but now it's clear you're not, so let me explain this.

"Not too challenging" is an expression. A turn of phrase. It doesn't mean that the game isn't overly challenging. It means that it's not as challenging as the reviewer thinks it should be.

It's a widely-used expression. It's not his fault that you haven't heard of it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I took it you were joking, but now it's clear you're not, so let me explain this.

"Not too challenging" is an expression. A turn of phrase. It doesn't mean that the game isn't overly challenging. It means that it's not as challenging as the reviewer thinks it should be.

Cherokee_Jack

It's a widely-used expression. It's not his fault that you haven't heard of it.

If he chooses to phrase something poorly, thats his decision. But you're also making the assumtion that that is indeed what he ment.

I dunno...

I've played Phantom Hourglass and for DS it is without any shadow of a doubt an AAA game.

If this is a better game all round, and from most of the previews/reviews I have read it is, then I really don't see why it should be scoring any lower than AAA.

That's my opinion anyway.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] then say that. In my 19 years of speaking the english language i've never heard/read of anyone using such a phrase. when someone says a game is "too chalenging" i take it as it's too hard. when someone says that a game is "Not too chalenging" i take that as, not too hard to play.Nibroc420

It's a widely-used expression. It's not his fault that you haven't heard of it.

Okay, I'm really doubting that you're for real at this point, but...yeah, that's not an obscure thing to say at all. The majority of this site's readership would understand what he meant by that.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

It's a widely-used expression. It's not his fault that you haven't heard of it.

Cherokee_Jack

Okay, I'm really doubting that you're for real at this point, but...yeah, that's not an obscure thing to say at all. The majority of this site's readership would understand what he meant by that.

another assumption. I dunno, maybe it's just the way you read things, but when i read things, i think about what it says rather than staring blankly at a page. "Too difficult" meaning "Too hard" as in "This game is too hard and i cannot beat it" for something to be "Not too Difficult" or "Not too hard" would mean that it is in fact possible for the average person to beat. to Assume (like you have done at least two other times in this thead alone) anything else would be a stupid use of the english language.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="93soccer"]That's not too bad. I just started playing the game, I think it's pretty good. It deserves a 9.0 in my book. 9.5 if it had voice acting. Seriously Nintendo, get with the times.789shadow

Name 10 games on the DS with voice acting, then tell me why it is needed.

Professor Layton Professor Layton 2 Star Wars Clone Wars Jedi Alliance Star Wars Clone Wars Republic Heroes Avalon Code Disgaea Pinball Pulse: The Ancients Beckon Final Fantasy IV Suikoden Tierkreis Viewtiful Joe? I think

Good score, I'll get the game sometime in the next couple of months.

It's a widely-used expression. It's not his fault that you haven't heard of it.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] another assumption. I dunno, maybe it's just the way you read things, but when i read things, i think about what it says rather than staring blankly at a page. "Too difficult" meaning "Too hard" as in "This game is too hard and i cannot beat it" for something to be "Not too Difficult" or "Not too hard" would mean that it is in fact possible for the average person to beat. to Assume (like you have done at least two other times in this thead alone) anything else would be a stupid use of the english language.

WAIW

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Widely used? maybe in your small town.

Nibroc420

Okay, I'm really doubting that you're for real at this point, but...yeah, that's not an obscure thing to say at all. The majority of this site's readership would understand what he meant by that.

I don't know what else to say. At this point it's down to whether the expression he used is common enough to use in this review; I think it is, you think it isn't. Can't really take this any further unless you have some hard data on how often people say "not too x" when they mean "x to a lesser degree"...I doubt that exists.

I don't understand where are the complaints coming from.IronBass

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] another assumption. I dunno, maybe it's just the way you read things, but when i read things, i think about what it says rather than staring blankly at a page. "Too difficult" meaning "Too hard" as in "This game is too hard and i cannot beat it" for something to be "Not too Difficult" or "Not too hard" would mean that it is in fact possible for the average person to beat. to Assume (like you have done at least two other times in this thead alone) anything else would be a stupid use of the english language.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I don't understand where are the complaints coming from.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="IronBass"]I don't understand where are the complaints coming from.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="IronBass"]I don't understand where are the complaints coming from.Nibroc420