The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks -- 8.5 on GS

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#101 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] He's the only one complaining. Though at this point I'm fairly sure that it's less of a 'complaint' and more of a 'bait'.

It is a serious complaint. You'd think that GS could actually find people who can use the english language propped.

When an expression is common enough, it is considered right use of a language. And, regardless of you having knowledge of it or not, it is common enough.

so "LAWL" is a proper english word now because it's common? seriously, that's a poor argument. Speak english properly or dont, dont f' with the language so it's harder for others to learn it.
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#102 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]so "LAWL" is a proper english word now because it's common? seriously, that's a poor argument. Speak english properly or dont, dont f' with the language so it's harder for others to learn it.

"Lawl" is nowhere as common as "Not too something". Not even close. Bad example.
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#103 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]so "LAWL" is a proper english word now because it's common? seriously, that's a poor argument. Speak english properly or dont, dont f' with the language so it's harder for others to learn it.

"Lawl" is nowhere as common as "Not too something". Not even close. Bad example.

perfect example. everyone on this forum probbably knows what lawl means. doesn't that make it common? that seems to be the case for Jack's example. the fact is that the reviewer chose to phrase something in a way that causes me to interpret it one way, and causes you to interpret it another. People keep saying that Demon souls was "Too Hard" even the reviewer complained about it. But when another reviewer says something wasn't "Too hard" it's a bad thing. thats my problem.
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#104 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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everyone on this forum probbably knows what lawl means. doesn't that make it common? Nibroc420

The world is a little bigger than this forum.

the fact is that the reviewer chose to phrase something in a way that causes me to interpret it one way, and causes you to interpret it anotherNibroc420

Considering that everybody but you understood it the way he meant it, it is more likely that the problem is on you, not him.

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#105 Silent-Hal
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So you've seriously never said someone say "not too hard", "not too sweet" ect. in that context before? Just because you can interpret it in more than one way doesn't mean that it's wrong.
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#106 Silent-Hal
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But when another reviewer says something wasn't "Too hard" it's a bad thing. Nibroc420
He's not saying that it wasn't "too hard". That's the point >_>

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#107 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]everyone on this forum probbably knows what lawl means. doesn't that make it common? IronBass
The world is a little bigger than this forum.

Agreed, so how about. 90% of people who frequent ANY forum probably know what Lawl means. my dad's almost 60, and can barely check his email. his entire desktop is covered in icons because "If he deletes one then he wont beable to find that later" and he knows what Lawl means. i think it's fair to say enough people know what lawl means to make it "proper english" however it's not proper english, and never will be.
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#108 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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i think it's fair to say enough people know what lawl means to make it "proper english"Nibroc420
No, I don't think so.
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#109 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]so "LAWL" is a proper english word now because it's common? seriously, that's a poor argument. Speak english properly or dont, dont f' with the language so it's harder for others to learn it.Nibroc420
"Lawl" is nowhere as common as "Not too something". Not even close. Bad example.

perfect example. everyone on this forum probbably knows what lawl means. doesn't that make it common?


No. It makes it a piece of forum slang, and we are on a forum. This phrase he used is something that would be easily understood by almost every person who visits this site.

It's casual English, for sure, but this is a gaming website. It's a casual atmosphere.

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#110 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

The world is a little bigger than this forum.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]the fact is that the reviewer chose to phrase something in a way that causes me to interpret it one way, and causes you to interpret it anotherIronBass

Considering that everybody but you understood it the way he meant it, it is more likely that the problem is on you, not him.

you're speaking for everyone now? i've seen 3 people question it.
Just because you can interpret it in more than one way doesn't mean that it's wrong. Silent-Hal
First off, dont double post, it's frowned upon. secondly, english has rules, sentence structure, words have meanings, simple language stuff. When someone says "This is a car" it means that thing that he/she is referring to is a car. when they say "this is NOT a car" then that thing is NOT a car. When someone says "This is too difficult" it's a complaint that this/that thing is too hard to do. When someone says "this is NOT too difficult" it means this or that is NOT too hard to do. Usually people dont complain when something isn't extremely hard. Yet this reviewer did, why you are defending him? He either A.) Used the english language improperly, and when his job is to write, thats not a good thing. or B.) is complaining because a game isn't extremely hard. /discussion.
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#111 Silent-Hal
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There's a big difference between saying a game is "not too hard" and "not TOO hard". You'd perhaps like to make the distinction ;)
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#112 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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you're speaking for everyone now? i've seen 3 people question it.Nibroc420

People are arguing over the score being fair based on that.

About the reviewer using the expression wrong, you're the only one.

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#113 Nibroc420
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There's a big difference between saying a game is "not too hard" and "not TOO hard". You'd perhaps like to make the distinction ;)Silent-Hal
and there is no way for a reviewer to emphasize a word in that way. meaning both you and I are making assumptions on the meaning. Which leaves me to believe the reviewer did a horrible job writing his review.
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#114 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]There's a big difference between saying a game is "not too hard" and "not TOO hard". You'd perhaps like to make the distinction ;)Nibroc420
and there is no way for a reviewer to emphasize a word in that way. meaning both you and I are making assumptions on the meaning. Which leaves me to believe the reviewer did a horrible job writing his review.

You can make different assumptions about any phrase that has multiple possible meanings, but there is always one intended meaning. The intended meaning is quite clear in this case. In fact, your interpretation is by far the least logical one, since a game not being challenging to an excessive degree is obviously not a negative trait.

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#115 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]There's a big difference between saying a game is "not too hard" and "not TOO hard". You'd perhaps like to make the distinction ;)Cherokee_Jack

and there is no way for a reviewer to emphasize a word in that way. meaning both you and I are making assumptions on the meaning. Which leaves me to believe the reviewer did a horrible job writing his review.

You can make an assumption about any phrase that has multiple possible meanings, but there is always one intended meaning. The intended meaning is quite clear in this case. In fact, your interpretation is by far the least logical one, since a game not being challenging to an excessive degree is obviously not a negative trait.

how so? maybe the reviewer enjoys hard games? I hear thats why so much praise is going into demon souls, there's finally a hard game out there. It's hardly illogical. and you're making assumptions that aren't based on anything, i'm basing mine on... hmm, how about the use of the english language?
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#116 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] and there is no way for a reviewer to emphasize a word in that way. meaning both you and I are making assumptions on the meaning. Which leaves me to believe the reviewer did a horrible job writing his review.Nibroc420

You can make an assumption about any phrase that has multiple possible meanings, but there is always one intended meaning. The intended meaning is quite clear in this case. In fact, your interpretation is by far the least logical one, since a game not being challenging to an excessive degree is obviously not a negative trait.

how so? maybe the reviewer enjoys hard games?

In that case, he would have wanted the game to be very difficult, not "too" difficult, because hard games are not "too" difficult for him.
You're really reaching here.

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#117 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

You can make an assumption about any phrase that has multiple possible meanings, but there is always one intended meaning. The intended meaning is quite clear in this case. In fact, your interpretation is by far the least logical one, since a game not being challenging to an excessive degree is obviously not a negative trait.

Cherokee_Jack

how so? maybe the reviewer enjoys hard games?

In that case, he would have wanted the game to be very difficult, not "too" difficult, because hard games are not "too" difficult for him.
You're really reaching here.

So are you. the fact is he may or may not have phrased it wrong. i'm assuming because i really doubt GS would hire an idiot that he writes english as he means it. he raed the game badly because he didn't think it was "TOO hard"

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#118 Silent-Hal
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he raed the game badly because he didn't think it was "TOO hard"Nibroc420
No he didn't. Hence why he didn't emphasize the "too".
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#119 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] he raed the game badly because he didn't think it was "TOO hard"Silent-Hal
No he didn't. Hence why he didn't emphasize the "too".

Lemme know when you figure out how to emphasize Sarcasm while you're at it ;)
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#120 Cherokee_Jack
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the fact is he may or may not have phrased it wrong.Nibroc420

Wrong? How would he phrase it wrong?

He either meant that the game is less challenging than he would have liked, using a very common figurative expression, or he intentionally listed the fact that the game isn't more difficult than it should be as a negative, which is not in the least believable.

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#121 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]the fact is he may or may not have phrased it wrong.Cherokee_Jack

Wrong? How would he phrase it wrong?

He either meant that the game is less challenging than he would have liked, using a very common figurative expression, or he intentionally listed the fact that the game isn't more difficult than it should be as a negative, which is not in the least believable.

once again you say it's common. I have never heard of such an expression since this thread. CLEARLY it's not as common as you think. Which is why i was curious as to WHY "He intentionally listed the fact that the game isn't more difficult than it should be as a negative"
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#122 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]the fact is he may or may not have phrased it wrong.Nibroc420

Wrong? How would he phrase it wrong?

He either meant that the game is less challenging than he would have liked, using a very common figurative expression, or he intentionally listed the fact that the game isn't more difficult than it should be as a negative, which is not in the least believable.

once again you say it's common. I have never heard of such an expression since this thread. CLEARLY it's not as common as you think.

Yes, clearly, since one person claims not to have heard of it. I've seen it used countless times in writing and heard it used countless times in speech, its usage is adressed in the dictionary, but because one person claims they don't know what it means, it's not as common as I think.

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#123 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Wrong? How would he phrase it wrong?

He either meant that the game is less challenging than he would have liked, using a very common figurative expression, or he intentionally listed the fact that the game isn't more difficult than it should be as a negative, which is not in the least believable.

Cherokee_Jack

once again you say it's common. I have never heard of such an expression since this thread. CLEARLY it's not as common as you think.

Yes, clearly, since one person claims not to have heard of it. I've seen it used countless times in writing and heard it used countless times in speech, its usage is adressed in the dictionary, but because one person claims they don't know what it means, it's not as common as I think.

You realise Free dictionary is about as credible as Wikipedia right? it's totally editable. My stance remains. and i can throw your logic back at you. Yes, clearly because 1 person claims to have seen/read it countless times. yet i've never heard it, i'm wrong and you're right, joke.
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#124 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] once again you say it's common. I have never heard of such an expression since this thread. CLEARLY it's not as common as you think.Nibroc420

Yes, clearly, since one person claims not to have heard of it. I've seen it used countless times in writing and heard it used countless times in speech, its usage is adressed in the dictionary, but because one person claims they don't know what it means, it's not as common as I think.

You realise Free dictionary is about as credible as Wikipedia right? it's totally editable.

Um...you realize that the entry I showed you is taken from the American Heritage Dictionary? And that TFD (that section of it, at least) is not user-editable?

Wow, this conversation has been going for 3 pages and is still about absolutely nothing. Congratulations for wasting so much of my time.

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#125 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Yes, clearly, since one person claims not to have heard of it. I've seen it used countless times in writing and heard it used countless times in speech, its usage is adressed in the dictionary, but because one person claims they don't know what it means, it's not as common as I think.

Cherokee_Jack

You realise Free dictionary is about as credible as Wikipedia right? it's totally editable.

Um...you realize that the entry I showed you is taken from the American Heritage Dictionary? And that TFD (that section of it, at least) is not user-editable?

Wow, this conversation has been going for 3 pages and is still about absolutely nothing. Congratulations for wasting so much of my time.

TFD is user editable. and it's not my fault you fail to understand the meaning behind 3 english words.
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#126 bobbetybob
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So is it just me or does Gamespot seem to look for any excuse not to give a game on a Nintendo system a 9 these days? Sorry but "Not too challenging" is not an excuse to mark down a game by 1.5, considering things like Uncharted 2 get 9.5 and from what my friend told me, you can put the controller down and it'll complete itself it's so easy.
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#127 chocolate1325
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I am surprised it only got 8.5 it hardly got any negatives apart from being to easy. So how does that make it an 8.5.

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TFD is user editable. and it's not my fault you fail to understand the meaning behind 3 english words.Nibroc420

AskOxford:

too

adverb1 to a higher degree than is desirable, permissible, or possible. 2 in addition. 3informalvery.

— PHRASESnone too &em;&em; not very.

— ORIGIN Old English, stressed form of TO.

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#129 sonicthemegaman
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So is it just me or does Gamespot seem to look for any excuse not to give a game on a Nintendo system a 9 these days? Sorry but "Not too challenging" is not an excuse to mark down a game by 1.5, considering things like Uncharted 2 get 9.5 and from what my friend told me, you can put the controller down and it'll complete itself it's so easy.bobbetybob
Please, Nintendo first parties have it easy when scoring big. As for Uncharted 2, if a "a friend" told you it was easy, that's your friend's opinion. Play it yourself or else you know nothing about it. Uncharted actually deserves the 9.5 as do all of the other ND games and the scores those got.
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#130 Panosola
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Today i have buy the Zelda: Spirit Tracks....and it is just a amazing game for the DS....a must buy for the DS.
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#131 WAIW
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So is it just me or does Gamespot seem to look for any excuse not to give a game on a Nintendo system a 9 these days? Sorry but "Not too challenging" is not an excuse to mark down a game by 1.5, considering things like Uncharted 2 get 9.5 and from what my friend told me, you can put the controller down and it'll complete itself it's so easy.bobbetybob
It's not like games start with 10's and go down with each con. They have to earn their score, not just not deserve a higher one. And your friend is, uh, interesting, with a peculiar strategy in U2.