The Legend of Zelda vs Final Fantasy

Zelda has been consistently great. FF hasn't. IppoTenma

When you don't change all that much between games, it's easy to be consistent :P

I think Wind Waker changed up the format the most, and that is why I think it is the best Zelda game. But all the major final fantasy's after (and including) FF4 have tried different styles. If you change style, some are going to like the new style, some are not.

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[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Enemy variety in both series is very poor? I would argue both have relatively good enemy variety compared to a LOT of games out there. But I would say Zelda has bigger enemy variety than FF. Skyward Sword seems looks to improve on enemy variety even more.

WHy I mentioned other games? So I could compare Final Fanatasy with other RPGs as Zelda is Action Adventure.

Shinobishyguy

Yes, I'd say they are very poor. Many enemies are just variations of the same type. Not saying that other games aren't like that but that's no excuse. Aside from the totem pole, I'm not sure of that much variety in SS. I'm still seeing variations of past creatures (lizard, goblin, etc).

Wonderful but that's not the point. We're not saying that FF has the best strategy for a RPG. We're talking about the merits and downsides of LoZ and FF.

Anyways, I'm done.

and we didn't even cover how disappointing ff XIII was or how broken FF XVI was

I could play with you a little if you want me to.

We could talk about how tedious and boring PH and ST are.

Or we could talk about the wasted potential that was Twilight Princess.Y'know, the game that re-used puzzles, had ridiculously easy boss fights, and the most anticlimatic fight with Ganon I've ever encountered. That was a disappointing game.

Maybe we could talk about the promising Final Fantasy games like Type-0 or Versus? Is that something that you want to do? Do you want to play, boy?

Zelda. Final Fantasy is so inconsistent in terms of game quality it's ridiculous.

Zelda. Final Fantasy is so inconsistent in terms of game quality it's ridiculous.

DarkLink77

Anytime you have change you will have people that dont like it.

There isnt anything wrong with the quality of FF12 or 13, they are 40-50 million dollar budget games, but they dont do the same things that the other games did.

They are trying to be different.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Zelda. Final Fantasy is so inconsistent in terms of game quality it's ridiculous.

crimsonman1245

Anytime you have change you will have people that dont like it.

There isnt anything wrong with the quality of FF12 or 13, they are 40-50 million dollar budget games, but they dont do the same things that the other games did.

They are trying to be different.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Zelda. Final Fantasy is so inconsistent in terms of game quality it's ridiculous.

DarkLink77

Anytime you have change you will have people that dont like it.

There isnt anything wrong with the quality of FF12 or 13, they are 40-50 million dollar budget games, but they dont do the same things that the other games did.

They are trying to be different.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Yes, I'd say they are very poor. Many enemies are just variations of the same type. Not saying that other games aren't like that but that's no excuse. Aside from the totem pole, I'm not sure of that much variety in SS. I'm still seeing variations of past creatures (lizard, goblin, etc).

Wonderful but that's not the point. We're not saying that FF has the best strategy for a RPG. We're talking about the merits and downsides of LoZ and FF.

Anyways, I'm done.

minh800

and we didn't even cover how disappointing ff XIII was or how broken FF XVI was

I could play with you a little if you want me to.

We could talk about how tedious and boring PH and ST are.

Or we could talk about the wasted potential that was Twilight Princess.Y'know, the game that re-used puzzles, had ridiculously easy boss fights, and the most anticlimatic fight with Ganon I've ever encountered. That was a disappointing game.

Maybe we could talk about the promising Final Fantasy games like Type-0 or Versus? Is that something that you want to do? Do you want to play, boy?

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Your done already?

and we didn't even cover how disappointing ff XIII was or how broken FF XVI was

Shinobishyguy

I could play with you a little if you want me to.

We could talk about how tedious and boring PH and ST are.

Or we could talk about the wasted potential that was Twilight Princess.Y'know, the game that re-used puzzles, had ridiculously easy boss fights, and the most anticlimatic fight with Ganon I've ever encountered. That was a disappointing game.

Maybe we could talk about the promising Final Fantasy games like Type-0 or Versus? Is that something that you want to do? Do you want to play, boy?

I thought Spirit Tracks was utterly broken, and at least Square is trying to fix their mistake.

TP brought NOTHING new to the table aside from art direction and sword skills. Of course it retained the elements that made the series "great". Nintendo is complacent with not changing the core formula. But since SE wants to reinvent the wheel, drastically change the combat, the mood, the settings, it's not going to be consistent.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="minh800"]

I could play with you a little if you want me to.

We could talk about how tedious and boring PH and ST are.

Or we could talk about the wasted potential that was Twilight Princess.Y'know, the game that re-used puzzles, had ridiculously easy boss fights, and the most anticlimatic fight with Ganon I've ever encountered. That was a disappointing game.

Maybe we could talk about the promising Final Fantasy games like Type-0 or Versus? Is that something that you want to do? Do you want to play, boy?

minh800

I thought Spirit Tracks was utterly broken, and at least Square is trying to fix their mistake.

TP brought NOTHING new to the table aside from art direction and sword skills. Of course it retained the elements that made the series "great". Nintendo is complacent with not changing the core formula. But since SE wants to reinvent the wheel, drastically change the combat, the mood, the settings, it's not going to be consistent.

Really..just stop while you're ahead.. Have you even been paying attention to Skyweard Sword? They're to be adding alot of significant changes to the core formula.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]When nintendo makes a zelda as utterly broken as Final fantasy 14, you'll have a point. As for TP, final fantasy 13 was just as disappointing as it, if not even moreso. I mean atleast TP retained most of the elements that made the series great, even if it did drag on in some areas. now as for ST and PH, Final fantasy has plenty of blunders as well. (FFx-2 anyone?)Shinobishyguy

I thought Spirit Tracks was utterly broken, and at least Square is trying to fix their mistake.

TP brought NOTHING new to the table aside from art direction and sword skills. Of course it retained the elements that made the series "great". Nintendo is complacent with not changing the core formula. But since SE wants to reinvent the wheel, drastically change the combat, the mood, the settings, it's not going to be consistent.

Really..just stop while you're ahead.. Have you even been paying attention to Skyweard Sword? They're to be adding alot of significant changes to the core formula.

Being bored to death by a game is breaking in my book. All the same, I never touched it again.

Not that much. Instead of timed attacks, it's location based, and instead of Ganon being the enemy, it's some other guy. If that's it then there's no reason to purchase. Motion gaming was never appealing to me.

Zelda... 20 years of pure happiness...

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

I thought Spirit Tracks was utterly broken, and at least Square is trying to fix their mistake.

TP brought NOTHING new to the table aside from art direction and sword skills. Of course it retained the elements that made the series "great". Nintendo is complacent with not changing the core formula. But since SE wants to reinvent the wheel, drastically change the combat, the mood, the settings, it's not going to be consistent.

minh800

Really..just stop while you're ahead.. Have you even been paying attention to Skyweard Sword? They're to be adding alot of significant changes to the core formula.

Being bored to death by a game is breaking in my book. All the same, I never touched it again.

Not that much. Instead of timed attacks, it's location based, and instead of Ganon being the enemy, it's some other guy. If that's it then there's no reason to purchase. Motion gaming was never appealing to me.

as for skyward sword:

New types of puzzles thanks to the motion plus

Different flow and progression as far as the dungeons and overworld are concerned

Brand new setting above the clouds as well as a different mode of transportation (flight)

New upgrade system where you can craft items using resources and rupees

Revamped combat thats much more involving (Some enemies are almost like puzzles)

Really, they seem to be going all out with the new additions

Honestly for Zelda I only care for ALTTP, LA, OOA/S, OOT and MM.

With FF I just care for VI, VII, VIII and X.

So Zelda wins by majority.

[QUOTE="IppoTenma"]Zelda has been consistently great. FF hasn't. SteamedBennet

When you don't change all that much between games, it's easy to be consistent :P

I think Wind Waker changed up the format the most, and that is why I think it is the best Zelda game. But all the major final fantasy's after (and including) FF4 have tried different styles. If you change style, some are going to like the new style, some are not.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]Well I was stretching it with 10.

And Majora's Mask presentation in its story is great, but I think FF9 overall had a better story.

drinkerofjuice

The laughing scene in FFX is supposed to be awkward; that's the point.

I don't think it's a terrible scene. It could have been handled better, but what the scene was communicating was perfectly fine. Good, even.

FFX has issues with presentation, especially with Tidus in the English voiced versions, but that doesn't make the story bad. It's great and probably one of the most original JRPGs to date .

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The laughing scene in FFX is supposed to be awkward; that's the point.

hakanakumono

I don't think it's a terrible scene. It could have been handled better, but what the scene was communicating was perfectly fine. Good, even.

FFX has issues with presentation, especially with Tidus in the English voiced versions, but that doesn't make the story bad. It's great and probably one of the most original JRPGs to date .

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"] Awkward or not, a terrible scene is still a terrible scene.DarkLink77

I don't think it's a terrible scene. It could have been handled better, but what the scene was communicating was perfectly fine. Good, even.

FFX has issues with presentation, especially with Tidus in the English voiced versions, but that doesn't make the story bad. It's great and probably one of the most original JRPGs to date .

Of course. If it wasn't 2001, maybe that would have happened. Then again, looking at the voice direction in English FFXIII, maybe not. Okay, maybe the Japanese version would be perfect ... lol

Except the series' most ridiculous character designs would still be there ...

well all zeldas are consistenly awesome, but i think best FFs > best zeldas even thought there are some not so strong FFs, also i give them extra merits for doing new games with each FF and trying to keep things fresh even though they are not always for the best, they could have easily taken the easy route and just made copies of the previous battle systems

I like them both about equally but I have to go with Zelda purely because of all the memories I have.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I don't think it's a terrible scene. It could have been handled better, but what the scene was communicating was perfectly fine. Good, even.

FFX has issues with presentation, especially with Tidus in the English voiced versions, but that doesn't make the story bad. It's great and probably one of the most original JRPGs to date .

hakanakumono

Of course. If it wasn't 2001, maybe that would have happened. Then again, looking at the voice direction in English FFXIII, maybe not. Okay, maybe the Japanese version would be perfect ... lol

Except the series' most ridiculous character designs would still be there ...

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Better voice acting and a slightly better script would still have been awesome, though, as much as I love FFX.DarkLink77

Of course. If it wasn't 2001, maybe that would have happened. Then again, looking at the voice direction in English FFXIII, maybe not. Okay, maybe the Japanese version would be perfect ... lol

Except the series' most ridiculous character designs would still be there ...

Well, yeah.

And true. I want to get the Japanese ver just to replace Tidus' voice. This trailer actually seems to include FF8esque music that isn't in the game ... (or at least sounding like this).

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]So spirit tracks had a bunch of game breaking glitches?

Really..just stop while you're ahead.. Have you even been paying attention to Skyweard Sword? They're to be adding alot of significant changes to the core formula.

Shinobishyguy

Being bored to death by a game is breaking in my book. All the same, I never touched it again.

Not that much. Instead of timed attacks, it's location based, and instead of Ganon being the enemy, it's some other guy. If that's it then there's no reason to purchase. Motion gaming was never appealing to me.

as for skyward sword:

New types of puzzles thanks to the motion plus

Different flow and progression as far as the dungeons and overworld are concerned

Brand new setting above the clouds as well as a different mode of transportation (flight)

New upgrade system where you can craft items using resources and rupees

Revamped combat thats much more involving (Some enemies are almost like puzzles)

Really, they seem to be going all out with the new additions

I'm not the only that found the boredom difficult to overcome (making the game unplayable). It seems like a common complaint especially among Zelda vets.

I can't imagine the new additions to SS would make it feel any less than more of the same. Of course, I'd have to play it before I judge it but nothing about seems utterly surprising. There were different modes of transportation in other games as well. Nothing surprising. Settings above the cloud are, still, nothing new. I'll have to see this upgrade system myself if I play it at all.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Being bored to death by a game is breaking in my book. All the same, I never touched it again.

Not that much. Instead of timed attacks, it's location based, and instead of Ganon being the enemy, it's some other guy. If that's it then there's no reason to purchase. Motion gaming was never appealing to me.

minh800

as for skyward sword:

New types of puzzles thanks to the motion plus

Different flow and progression as far as the dungeons and overworld are concerned

Brand new setting above the clouds as well as a different mode of transportation (flight)

New upgrade system where you can craft items using resources and rupees

Revamped combat thats much more involving (Some enemies are almost like puzzles)

Really, they seem to be going all out with the new additions

I'm not the only that found the boredom difficult to overcome (making the game unplayable). It seems like a common complaint especially among Zelda vets.

I can't imagine the new additions to SS would make it feel any less than more of the same. Of course, I'd have to play it before I judge it but nothing about seems utterly surprising. There were different modes of transportation in other games as well. Nothing surprising. Settings above the cloud are, still, nothing new. I'll have to see this upgrade system myself if I play it at all.

Are there any glitches that keep you from completing the game? Does it delete saves and such?

And I already listed some of the significant changes they're making to SS. If you choose to dismiss them out of your own little agenda, that's your buisness.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] So where going to use personal preferences and attention spans to determine whether or not a game is broken?...okay

as for skyward sword:

New types of puzzles thanks to the motion plus

Different flow and progression as far as the dungeons and overworld are concerned

Brand new setting above the clouds as well as a different mode of transportation (flight)

New upgrade system where you can craft items using resources and rupees

Revamped combat thats much more involving (Some enemies are almost like puzzles)

Really, they seem to be going all out with the new additions

Shinobishyguy

I'm not the only that found the boredom difficult to overcome (making the game unplayable). It seems like a common complaint especially among Zelda vets.

I can't imagine the new additions to SS would make it feel any less than more of the same. Of course, I'd have to play it before I judge it but nothing about seems utterly surprising. There were different modes of transportation in other games as well. Nothing surprising. Settings above the cloud are, still, nothing new. I'll have to see this upgrade system myself if I play it at all.

Are there any glitches that keep you from completing the game? Does it delete saves and such?

And I already listed some of the significant changes they're making to SS. If you choose to dismiss them out of your own little agenda, that's your buisness.

Being broken results in the game being unplayable. Being incredibly tedious and boring results in the game being unplayable. Same results.

I already said that having different modes of transportation is nothing new. A city in the sky is nothing new. I'm dismissing them because they're nothing that's actually new. The new puzzles based around M+, fine; the customization, fine. But the other two? No.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

I'm not the only that found the boredom difficult to overcome (making the game unplayable). It seems like a common complaint especially among Zelda vets.

I can't imagine the new additions to SS would make it feel any less than more of the same. Of course, I'd have to play it before I judge it but nothing about seems utterly surprising. There were different modes of transportation in other games as well. Nothing surprising. Settings above the cloud are, still, nothing new. I'll have to see this upgrade system myself if I play it at all.

minh800

Are there any glitches that keep you from completing the game? Does it delete saves and such?

And I already listed some of the significant changes they're making to SS. If you choose to dismiss them out of your own little agenda, that's your buisness.

Being broken results in the game being unplayable. Being incredibly tedious and boring results in the game being unplayable. Same results.

I already said that having different modes of transportation is nothing new. A city in the sky is nothing new. I'm dismissing them because they're nothing that's actually new. The new puzzles based around M+, fine; the customization, fine. But the other two? No.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]What does you being bored with it have to do with it being broken?

Are there any glitches that keep you from completing the game? Does it delete saves and such?

And I already listed some of the significant changes they're making to SS. If you choose to dismiss them out of your own little agenda, that's your buisness.

Shinobishyguy

Being broken results in the game being unplayable. Being incredibly tedious and boring results in the game being unplayable. Same results.

I already said that having different modes of transportation is nothing new. A city in the sky is nothing new. I'm dismissing them because they're nothing that's actually new. The new puzzles based around M+, fine; the customization, fine. But the other two? No.

The game could pretty much be broken since it's utterly unplayable (not just to me, mind you). The results are the same even if the means are different.

I'm willing to bet that, no matter what's added (new setting and all), Skyward Sword will still feel like the same old thing repackaged with a new bow on it. New tracks and tilt controls didn't make Mario Kart Wii feel any fresher.

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Being broken results in the game being unplayable. Being incredibly tedious and boring results in the game being unplayable. Same results.

I already said that having different modes of transportation is nothing new. A city in the sky is nothing new. I'm dismissing them because they're nothing that's actually new. The new puzzles based around M+, fine; the customization, fine. But the other two? No.

minh800

The game could pretty much be broken since it's utterly unplayable (not just to me, mind you). The results are the same even if the means are different.

I'm willing to bet that, no matter what's added (new setting and all), Skyward Sword will still feel like the same old thing repackaged with a new bow on it. New tracks and tilt controls didn't make Mario Kart Wii feel any fresher.

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

hakanakumono

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

hakanakumono

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

hakanakumono

>Talks about Zelds's gameplay concepts being dated

>Likes JRPG's

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Having a new setting other than hyrule adds to the freshness of the game for many people, it's one of the reasons why MM and WW felt like a breath of fresh air. and you don't seem to grasp what makes a game broken. Stuff like glitches and deleted game saves, that what makes a game broken. Your preferences and opinions? not so muchShinobishyguy

The game could pretty much be broken since it's utterly unplayable (not just to me, mind you). The results are the same even if the means are different.

I'm willing to bet that, no matter what's added (new setting and all), Skyward Sword will still feel like the same old thing repackaged with a new bow on it. New tracks and tilt controls didn't make Mario Kart Wii feel any fresher.

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

ShuichiChamp24

That's your opinion.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

DarkLink77

I didn't say it meant "bad." But saying "Zelda is going to feel totally fresh this time!" is silly, imo. No, it's not going to feel fresh. Which is kind of the point.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There's really nothing they can do to make Zelda not feel "old." Zelda is old and you're not going to be able to make a series that has featured the same protagonist and the same gameplay concepts since the 1980s not feel "old." Zelda isn't just an "old" series. It revels in it's dated nature.

hakanakumono

I didn't say it meant "bad." But saying "Zelda is going to feel totally fresh this time!" is silly, imo. No, it's not going to feel fresh. Which is kind of the point.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It needs to be said that old is not necessarily bad.DarkLink77

I didn't say it meant "bad." But saying "Zelda is going to feel totally fresh this time!" is silly, imo. No, it's not going to feel fresh. Which is kind of the point.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

The game could pretty much be broken since it's utterly unplayable (not just to me, mind you). The results are the same even if the means are different.

I'm willing to bet that, no matter what's added (new setting and all), Skyward Sword will still feel like the same old thing repackaged with a new bow on it. New tracks and tilt controls didn't make Mario Kart Wii feel any fresher.

minh800

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

was Spirit tracks boring? : maybe, depending on the person

Was it broken and unpolished like FF XIV was at launch? : absolutely not.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]again, whether or not a game is broken is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Things like boredom is simply subjective.

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

Shinobishyguy

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

was Spirit tracks boring? : maybe, depending on the person

Was it broken and unpolished like FF XVI was at launch? : absolutely not.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

The game could pretty much be broken since it's utterly unplayable (not just to me, mind you). The results are the same even if the means are different.

I'm willing to bet that, no matter what's added (new setting and all), Skyward Sword will still feel like the same old thing repackaged with a new bow on it. New tracks and tilt controls didn't make Mario Kart Wii feel any fresher.

minh800

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

Still doesn't seem like grounds to dismiss SS as "More of the same"

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]again, whether or not a game is broken is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Things like boredom is simply subjective.

and I wouldn't be surprised if you found it to be more of the same seeing as it seems like you've already made up your mind about the game without even playing it.

and did you just compare a racing game to an action/adventure game? :lol: Oh man

Shinobishyguy

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

Still doesn't seem like grounds to dismiss SS as "More of the same"

The past dictates the future. It's perfect grounds to dismiss SS for fear of it being more of the same.

The end result is the same: both are unplayable for me. Whether that's due to the game being broken or extremely tedious - they are unplayable. At least Square can fix the technical issues with FFXIV.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Sigh, whatever, both are unplayable all the same. At least Square is trying to fix FFXIV. When the boredom is felt by many others, there's probably something to that.

I'm just stating my feelings on the game. I know Nintendo's track record. Their games don't have that new feeling to them. Fire Emblem, NSMB, LoZ, SSB all feel tired to me. I already stated that I'm not going to bother with the game at all from Nintendo's history.

They're very similar because of the Nintendo mentality. New tracks/lands and motion controls are not going to make the game feel any fresher to me.

minh800

Still doesn't seem like grounds to dismiss SS as "More of the same"

The past dictates the future. It's perfect grounds to dismiss SS for fear of it being more of the same.

The end result is the same: both are unplayable for me. Whether that's due to the game being broken or extremely tedious - they are unplayable. At least Square can fix the technical issues with FFXIV.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Well atleast you admitted your biases.

Still doesn't seem like grounds to dismiss SS as "More of the same"

Shinobishyguy

The past dictates the future. It's perfect grounds to dismiss SS for fear of it being more of the same.

The end result is the same: both are unplayable for me. Whether that's due to the game being broken or extremely tedious - they are unplayable. At least Square can fix the technical issues with FFXIV.

No, I'm the guy that says that Zelda, so far, feels like the same game just repackaged with different bows and ribbons. Not no matter what. If Nintendo outsourced it to someone who can actually do a rebranding of the series, it can be something very different and very cool.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

The past dictates the future. It's perfect grounds to dismiss SS for fear of it being more of the same.

The end result is the same: both are unplayable for me. Whether that's due to the game being broken or extremely tedious - they are unplayable. At least Square can fix the technical issues with FFXIV.

minh800

No, I'm the guy that says that Zelda, so far, feels like the same game just repackaged with different bows and ribbons. Not no matter what. If Nintendo outsourced it to someone who can actually do a rebranding of the series, it can be something very different and very cool.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]So I'm guessing your one of those people that thinks that every zelda is the same game no matter what right?

Shinobishyguy

No, I'm the guy that says that Zelda, so far, feels like the same game just repackaged with different bows and ribbons. Not no matter what. If Nintendo outsourced it to someone who can actually do a rebranding of the series, it can be something very different and very cool.

They don't feel new to me. Differences here and there but at the core, they still feel like the same game.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="minh800"]

No, I'm the guy that says that Zelda, so far, feels like the same game just repackaged with different bows and ribbons. Not no matter what. If Nintendo outsourced it to someone who can actually do a rebranding of the series, it can be something very different and very cool.

minh800

They don't feel new to me. Differences here and there but at the core, they still feel like the same game.

Dear god, it's like they're all quintuplets :O

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] So majora's mask and wind waker are the same game as zelda for the NES, but with different packaging? k, gotcha.Shinobishyguy

They don't feel new to me. Differences here and there but at the core, they still feel like the same game.

Dear god, it's like they're all quintuplets :O

The only real difference I see here is the difference in gameplay with the jump to 3D. The last two examples really aren't fooling anybody.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] So majora's mask and wind waker are the same game as zelda for the NES, but with different packaging? k, gotcha.Shinobishyguy

They don't feel new to me. Differences here and there but at the core, they still feel like the same game.

Dear god, it's like they're all quintuplets :O

Remember when I said the same thing in a different package? This is part of the package. I'm done. We're just arguing in circles.