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how is he overated like this whole entire forum hates him lol do you know what overrated means?
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Gordon Freeman isn't supposed to have a personality, he's supposed to be the avatar for the player. Master Chief, I would agree with.hiphops_savior
Thats exactly what Master Cheif is supposed to be.
[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]Gordon Freeman isn't supposed to have a personality, he's supposed to be the avatar for the player. Master Chief, I would agree with.Cloud567kar
Thats exactly what Master Cheif is supposed to be.
If you are saying the Cheif is supposed to be an avatar like Gordan Freeman, that would have been the case except for one fatal flaw, Master Chief should not talk at all, and yet he does.[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
[QUOTE="oldkingallant"] But Kefka's absolutely insane mentality and clownish appearance made him memorable.
oldkingallant
And?
And that's why I don't think he's overrated....... you don't have to be unique to be great.He's a decent villain, but he's not nearly as great as he's made out to be. Being memorable doesn't really cut it, imo.
[QUOTE="psn8214"][QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]I'm sure that you know the mindset of someone who you have never met in your life. I love Kratos' character, honestly :P. He's brutal and angry without being stupid or meatheaded. Sometimes its good to be horrible. On the note of overrated characters, Gordon Freeman takes it away. There's not actually anything interesting about that character. Anyone who says he's one of the staples of the industry are probably just projecting their love of Half-Life, not their love of that character in particular. NAPK1NS
That's because Gordon Freeman isn't a "traditional" character. :P Obviously, if you make him one, he is going to seem flat compared to, well, everything. He is meant purely as an avatar through which the players themselves view the story firsthand.
So everyone who says that Gordon Freeman is a great character are actually just really narcissistic? :PThat's very similar to what I said in another thread on the subject. That people see him as being so awesome, badass, the best of the best, or what ever... because as a blank slate it enables people to see in him what they want to see. Though I like your way better :lol::lol::lol:
As far as the whole Ambiguity vs Plot Hole dabte goes: I would say that you don't have to have everything spelled out. BUT, the caveat to that would be the story must still provide some clues to the given subject's background, motives, or what ever is in question. Subtle hints provided by the writer can serve as a foundation for the audience to draw reasonable interpretation, distinguishing it from random speculation.
[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
And?
And that's why I don't think he's overrated....... you don't have to be unique to be great.He's a decent villain, but he's not nearly as great as he's made out to be. Being memorable doesn't really cut it, imo.
But it does...being memorable is a result of great design and direction. When a character is memorable (in a positive way), that means his of her character connected with the audience, the ultimate goal in any work, is to connect with the audience.And that's why I don't think he's overrated....... you don't have to be unique to be great.oldkingallantKefka was most definitely unique in 1994. He was really the first major jRPG villian not be an evil force, an evil god, or a demon from the beyond, but a human being who was at first a lackey who rose to be powerful. In games before, if he villian was human, he was very powerful, and human villians were rare. His actions also had a more sadistic and calcualted tone than villians past.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"] And that's why I don't think he's overrated....... you don't have to be unique to be great.
texasgoldrush
He's a decent villain, but he's not nearly as great as he's made out to be. Being memorable doesn't really cut it, imo.
But it does...being memorable is a result of great design and direction. When a character is memorable (in a positive way), that means his of her character connected with the audience, the ultimate goal in any work, is to connect with the audience.Well then that's a problem for you, because Sephiroth has a lot more noteriety than Kefka. I guess that means he's more memorable and is therefore better?
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
He's a decent villain, but he's not nearly as great as he's made out to be. Being memorable doesn't really cut it, imo.
But it does...being memorable is a result of great design and direction. When a character is memorable (in a positive way), that means his of her character connected with the audience, the ultimate goal in any work, is to connect with the audience.Well then that's a problem for you, because Sephiroth has a lot more noteriety than Kefka. I guess that means he's more memorable and is therefore better?
I never said more memorable is better, I said basically being memorable cuts it. Sephiroth is a good villain (I never said he was terrible) and he deserves to be memorable in some aspects...however, he is overrated due to many calling him the greatest villain ever. Like I said, the battle between Cloud and Sephiroth was well done, the best protagonist to antagonist battle in the series, the high point in the inconsistant direction of FFVII. Its just way too bad that he does not connect to the game's main theme well, his biggest flaw, and really FFVII struggles to determine what its main message is. If I were to "rate" Sephiroth on a 1 to 10 scale, his character would be an 8.5 or a 9. The only character I listed in my OP I cannot stand is Kratos.Please Log In to post.
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