The overall level of casualization in FPS games this gen

All the youtube walkthroughs in the world don't do a thing about the whole "platforming from a first-person perspective tends to control like ass" thing.PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]All the youtube walkthroughs in the world don't do a thing about the whole "platforming from a first-person perspective tends to control like ass" thing.nojumplmao

Platforming is what made duke nukem 3d f*cking duke nukem 3d!!!!!!!!!!

Duke nukem was a platformer before it was even created into a fps. Taking the platforming out of duke nukem is not duke nukem.nojumplmao

[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]Platforming is what made duke nukem 3d f*cking duke nukem 3d!!!!!!!!!!

Duke nukem was a platformer before it was even created into a fps. Taking the platforming out of duke nukem is not duke nukem.PannicAtack

[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]Platforming is what made duke nukem 3d f*cking duke nukem 3d!!!!!!!!!!

Duke nukem was a platformer before it was even created into a fps. Taking the platforming out of duke nukem is not duke nukem.PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]Platforming is what made duke nukem 3d f*cking duke nukem 3d!!!!!!!!!!

Duke nukem was a platformer before it was even created into a fps. Taking the platforming out of duke nukem is not duke nukem.nojumplmao

[QUOTE="nojumplmao"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Way to contradict yourself.PannicAtack

I've never seen the point of realism simply for its own sake. The simulation aspect, that is, the accuracy the game in question showed in relation to military technology or S.O.P. was not what interested me, but rather:

1) The challenge

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2) The sandbox effect, i.e., the range of possibilities the game provided me with.

I agree that certain genres (tactical military shooter) have been all but erased this generation, along with stealth games as we knew them, but then I play something like Dishonored, that's built entirely around the idea of allowing the player to be creative and approach an objective in a number of ways (and which is, in its own right, a very fine stealth game), or BioShock, or even Far Cry 3, to some extent, and it's hard to be upset about the loss of hyper-realistic military shooters. I was always much more interested in the flexibility of tactics those games offered, rather than their interfaces or the hard details of their contexts.

i agree, i haven't played a console shooter this gen that has matched the tactical depth of Vegas when it released. the slow methodical pace was extremely rewarding, and the progression was also very tough, most didn't make it halfway through, since you only got a considerable experience bonus from winning matches.

Its not casualization. its chasing COD money. Devs are fooled into thinking they can strike COD gold by noobing up their formulas. The only one that has had any success doing this is Battlefield 3.

I have no problem with COD. I have a problem with games like Socom, Killzone, Medal of Honor, and even Battlefield noobing up thier formula and maps in a vain attempt to cash in on COD. Killzone 3 sold no better than Killzone 2. Socom 4 tanked hard, not even coming close to even MAG in sales. Medal of Honor has never really gotten back off the ground. These are just a few of the bad examples. Greed stamping out originality is the problem.

Unfortunately to publishers and developers, streamlining means to completely strip out any gameplay that involves thought and replace them with simple button presses. What's equally annoying is the thought that if a game doesn't have a ridiculous amount of menus and stats it's dumbed down. I think there is a happy medium there somewhere, it's just that no one has been thoughtful enough about their design process to find it. There also hasn't been a thoughtful dialog from gamers about what they want either.

heretrix

This seems like the kind of thread SNIPER4321 would post in.

speedfreak48t5p

duke 3d level design is so much superior to modern games it's crazy destroy tons of stuff around the levels,turn lights on and off ventilation shafts everywhere u can use to move around the levels,hidden doors,area's you blow up that create passage ways,open and close doors,guts that get stuck in between open and closing doors. Here's a platforming section i gotta jump across the shelves to grab some ammo and the rocket launcher on the box left corner. nojumplmao

seems a waste of time to me..why not just go up to said shelf and reach up for it? IF this is superior design I dont want it..lol

each level has multiple platforming sections like weapons high up on crates or whatever.nojumplmao

i dont want to platform while playing a fps..to each their own. im sure its a fine game..but we've got great fps out there now..some are boring ,some are good..just like every gen.

[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]each level has multiple platforming sections like weapons high up on crates or whatever.VanDammFan

i dont want to platform while playing a fps..to each their own. im sure its a fine game..but we've got great fps out there now..some are boring ,some are good..just like every gen.

[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]each level has multiple platforming sections like weapons high up on crates or whatever.VanDammFan

i dont want to platform while playing a fps..to each their own. im sure its a fine game..but we've got great fps out there now..some are boring ,some are good..just like every gen.

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[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]each level has multiple platforming sections like weapons high up on crates or whatever.nojumplmao

i dont want to platform while playing a fps..to each their own. im sure its a fine game..but we've got great fps out there now..some are boring ,some are good..just like every gen.

but who puts guns in all these strange places on some games? Wouldnt a gun be more likely on the ground or on a table then on a store shelf or in a box on a roof or a some other hard to get to area?..lol..its obvious you love the game. Thats great. I stand strong on some games as well..so its ok to stand up for it.

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[QUOTE="nojumplmao"] You dont even earn the weapon if it's just laying there on the groundnojumplmao

but who puts guns in all these strange places on some games? Wouldnt a gun be more likely on the ground or on a table then on a store shelf or in a box on a roof or a some other hard to get to area?..lol..its obvious you love the game. Thats great. I stand strong on some games as well..so its ok to stand up for it.

I dont play much of anything anymore..but nothing wrong with COD. Its a great game and more realisitc "to our world" anyways..Im very picky about what I like. If I dont connect with the game after 10-20min..im done with it.

go look at us army training courses they even do platforming.nojumplmao

like I said man..we all have our own tastes..its ok to feel a certain way. But I would never like Duke3D..I mostly play slightly more realistic shooters when I play..real looking people,real weapons,real scenarios,ect..with the exception of Halo and KZ..those 2 are great.."to me"

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[QUOTE="nojumplmao"]go look at us army training courses they even do platforming.nojumplmao

like I said man..we all have our own tastes..its ok to feel a certain way. But I would never like Duke3D..I mostly play slightly more realistic shooters when I play..real looking people,real weapons,real scenarios,ect..with the exception of Halo and KZ..those 2 are great.."to me"