The Playstation 3's second-worst problem

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

Good post.

The PlayStation 3 just... Doesn't live up to promises.

uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?Unforgiven2870

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

SiLkYsHoT33

Xbox Live was available at launch. It was up and running and full of stuff to download from day one.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?Ninja-Vox

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

SiLkYsHoT33

Uhhh most cows seem to believe it.. and live was readily available at launch..

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?Ninja-Vox

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

nice post, agree on all points therekruesader

Same. Promises can really hurt a game/system later on. See Fable.

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Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

Ninja-Vox

Xbox Live was available at launch. It was up and running and full of stuff to download from day one.

Actually xbox live was offered late 2002, about one year after the xbox launched...

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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?-Spock-

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

Sony never promised those things.no_submission

Actually they did, you can thank Mr. Kutaragi.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?-Spock-

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

if my memory serves me correctly. the ps3 fan boys were going crazy with all the pre-ps3 announcments

For once, a true, serious anti-PS3 talking that I actually agree. I congratulate you, TC, for breaking the standard of making stupid fanboyish threads bashing X console. I do agree with you 100%. Though I really like PS3, Sony did overhype it and is not delivering what it promised. Ok I lied, I dont agree with you 100% because I think that is the worst problem it has, no the second :P

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

-Spock-

There was about a six month period in system wars were cows were rampant, and an "xbox 1.5" era set in whereby nothing on the 360 was "true" next gen, and everybody was comparing CGI images of Killzone and Motorstorm to PDZ and PGR3 to show how pathetic the 360 was and how epic the PS3 was going to be.

Pretty much everyone believed it. Those who said it was false were seen as haters. Heck, i remember the day the Killzone footage was released and threads claiming it was bogus were locked for trolling. People thought it was the real deal; you cant just say they were stupid to do so, because Sony themselves were the ones making all of these promises. You cant expect people, let alone fanboys, to have somebody bluntly say "our machine will run all games at 1080p, 120fps" and then shrug that off as a lie that will never happen.

Sony never promised those things.no_submission

uhhh!! where were you???

[QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?BillGates_Money

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

if my memory serves me correctly. the ps3 fan boys were going crazy with all the pre-ps3 announcments

Indeed, that crap also contributed. The only reason the PS3 seems underwhelming from an expectations standpoint is because of a) an incompetent PR rep and b) a rabid fanbase. I don't think it's fair to judge a technically proficient console based on the people who are associated with it.

Actually xbox live was offered late 2002, about one year after the xbox launched...

RahXephon101

We were talking about the xbox 360 and PS3, not xbox and PS2. :)

What is the PS3's number one problem? I am going to assume games.wmc540

Open to debate, though i would assume most people would say the price.

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"][QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?-Spock-

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

if my memory serves me correctly. the ps3 fan boys were going crazy with all the pre-ps3 announcments

Indeed, that crap also contributed. The only reason the PS3 seems underwhelming from an expectations standpoint is because of a) an incompetent PR rep and b) a rabid fanbase. I don't think it's fair to judge a technically proficient console based on the people who are associated with it.

ok i agree with that

The thing is Sony tries to be all things to all people. PSP: what is it? Is it a handheld gaming device, an MP3 player, a portable movie player, or what? Well it does all these things but none as good as you'd like. The PS3 is Sony's attempt to be the center of your entertainment center but gamers don't need all that; they just need games. Gamers would bite the bullet and pay the extra 200 bucks for the PS3 if it meant a jump in visuals vis-a-vis (that's right, I used Matrix talk) Xbox over PS2. There is no major jump. The next crop of PS3 games look good but there's nothing that flat out blows 360 out of the water. CyanX73

All the more reason, Sony should stick to what they do best, bring great games at a affordable price for people, that's what made them able to dominate last gen, cheap hardware, amazing selection of games(GTA, Guitar Hero, Final Fantasy, MGS, Devil May Cry, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus), and right now PS3 isn't either of those things, but rest assured when that time does come, PS2 owners will jump over and establish themselves in the PS3 userbase.

Actually xbox live was offered late 2002, about one year after the xbox launched...

RahXephon101

But everyone seems to be talking about this gen, so it was ready three years before the launch of the 360.

If you wish to compare the PS3's online to the Xbox1's... well, you're giving one heck of a compliment to the Xbox brand :P

Yea i know,TC actually belived ken when he said that:(.Eveyone else knew ken was insaine.Personally they need to start those BC updates and soon.
Unforgiven2870

If you want to pretend everybody shrugged off the promises as BS, you can do that. I live in the real-world however, where the PS3 hype machine rolled on from E305 to E306 where it all collapsed somewhat with the price and the bad press conference.

As for xbox updates, i dont really see what relevance that has to anything. Though they have released numerous updates since launch. :?

" im still waiting for aim to be on my ps2!!!"

Yea AOL and Netscape were supposed to usher in PS2's highly touted online environment, along with the PS2 hard drive it was suppose to be a super powerful cheap computer. Just like the PS3 the PS2 was also a hype machine, Sony got away with it last gen but have not this gen. Sony got caught in their lies and sales are reflecting that.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

if my memory serves me correctly. the ps3 fan boys were going crazy with all the pre-ps3 announcments

Indeed, that crap also contributed. The only reason the PS3 seems underwhelming from an expectations standpoint is because of a) an incompetent PR rep and b) a rabid fanbase. I don't think it's fair to judge a technically proficient console based on the people who are associated with it.

By incompetent PR rep you mean the president of the company, I presume? :P

" im still waiting for aim to be on my ps2!!!"

Yea AOL and Netscape were supposed to usher in PS2's highly touted online environment, along with the PS2 hard drive it was suppose to be a super powerful cheap computer. Just like the PS3 the PS2 was also a hype machine, Sony got away with it last gen but have not this gen. Sony got caught in their lies and sales are reflecting that.

swanlee

i knew i wasnt going crazy

Good post.

The PlayStation 3 just... Doesn't live up to promises.

Newnab

Well, to be perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting a miracle and a half, but it's the best console out, and that's why I bought it and support it.

Remember Great articles like this for the PS2

http://news.cnet.com/Sony+wants+PS2+to+conquer+the+living+room/2100-1040_3-257784.html

At a press conference before the opening of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) trade show here, Sony executives summed up an array of hardware add-ons and software and service partnerships--most of them previously leaked to the media--that will transform the PS2 into an all-purpose home entertainment and whatnot center.

"We see a convergence of entertainment--film, music, broadcasting," said Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. "We are obviously the brand for the living room."

The hardware add-ons include a $40 combination Ethernet/modem adapter that will allow for broadband and dial-up Internet connections via any Internet service provider and a 40GB hard drive that will allow the PS2 to store just about any form of digital entertainment. Both are set to go on sale in November, right around the time Microsoft's competing Xbox lands in stores.

Coming around the same time will be an LCD (liquid-crystal display) screen, keyboard and mouse that will help the PS2 perform several functions now associated with a PC.


Sony fires back at Microsoft
Kaz Hirai, president, Sony Computer Entertainment
Those functions will be boosted by new partnerships with America Online, RealNetworks and Macromedia that will give the PS2 its own version of the Netscape browser, e-mail, instant messaging, and streaming audio and video capability, among other functions. They also allow Sony to offer a loud raspberry directed at Microsoft, whose software competes in many areas.

Combined with the PS2's built-in DVD playback capability, the new additions give Sony a powerful claim as the digital focus of the modern home, Hirai said, as long as consumers can figure out how to use all the new goodies.

"We need to keep it simple," he said. "For consumers, there needs to be a seamless entertainment experience."

Besides the multimedia add-ons, one of the themes to emerge from the press conference was that software developers are finally getting a grip on the complex PS2 hardware. Despite statements from Sony executives about the "myth" of the PS2 being tough to write for, developer after developer talked about needing extra experience to make PS2 games look good and run well.

PS2 hardware "created a little bit of a learning curve," said Jason Rubin, president of Naughty Dog, the "Crash Bandicoot" game developer. "We're now coming out of that learning curve."

I fully agree wtihthe tc's original post. Good going tc.

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my loved for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the xbox because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, next-gen playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run every game at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launches.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse - than their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps in every game. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

Ninja-Vox

I think TC hit every single point why a lot of people now think that Sony can't deliver its promises.

gnutux

[QUOTE="SiLkYsHoT33"]

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

Ninja-Vox

Xbox Live was available at launch. It was up and running and full of stuff to download from day one.

So he didnt even know what he was talkin about..

Well thanks for clarifying that,

Still doesnt mean Home might be as good, maybe better than XBL.

Don't tell me you actually fell for that 120 fps stuff. You must've been a major Sony fanboy back in the day to have done that. Honestly, why would a dev do 120 fps of anyhting when they could make a better looking game at 60 fps? Hell, i've been running Source at 120 fps for a while now, but it doesn't look as good as UT3.

And who would've even wanted dual HDMI or anything like that? Mst that was taken was taken out because it wasn't looked upon as good in anyway by the media, and they needed to cut costs as it was. Dual hdmi? yippee.

Also, the ps3 can do everything you were praising the 360 for at its launch. Stream videos, download demos, etc. etc.

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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?-Spock-

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.

Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.

Exactly! Ken=/= Sony