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There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]
this is the kind of imagery burned into minds that Sony will never live up to.
Cyberfairy
Nope, Sony nevershowedthat projection. That is obviously a photoshopped image made by a Lemming.
/Cow impersonation
sony may never live up that that, yes, but you remember black for the ps2 right? that game had better graphics then most xbox-games had.
the point is that the PS3 was never supposed to "compete" with the 360. It was to blow the 360 away. It was to make the 360 "Xbox 1.5". It was to make 360 early adopters feel like idiots, while begging Krazy Ken to allow them to buy a PS3.
PS3 games weren't even supposed to be comparable, they would be so incredible.
There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
Ninja-Vox
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
I agree with you 100%. The Playstation has not lived up to what it was promised to be by Sony themselves. I blame the only one there is to blame for all this, Sony. Sony shot themeselves in the foot with the massive PS3 hype and calling the Xbox 360 an "Xbox 1.5" at E3 2005. They hyped the PS3's ability to output two 1080p images through two seperate HDMI ports. They claimedit was twice as powerful as the Xbox 360. They claimed that the PSN would be just as good as XBL at launch. And to this day, they've failed to deliver on most of the primises they made.
The Playstation 3 is a great console, but nothing could've lived up to the massive hype Sony built around it.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
black_awpN1
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
then why should anyone listen to ANYTHING Sony says?
Why should we get hyped over something that might just turn out to be another "humerous" lie?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
black_awpN1
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
The irony...it hurts...
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
black_awpN1
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
you're in the luxurious position of being able to say that now. If you were around 2 years ago, you'da ate it up with a biscuit. Sony wasn't joking at their conference; this is what the PS3 was supposed to be. It just hasn't worked out like that.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
black_awpN1
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
So you guys have gone from "they didn't say it" to "they did but nobody believed it so you must be dumb" - which is it? :|
[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
Dreams-Visions
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
you're in the luxurious position of being able to say that now. If you were around 2 years ago, you'da ate it up with a biscuit. Sony wasn't joking at their conference; this is what the PS3 was supposed to be. It just hasn't worked out like that.
Aw man, around january of 06 when I began to actively use this forum, Cows ran rampant talking about how the PS3 would be this amazing God like console that would singlehandedly destroy all competitors.
Then E3 2006 came and went.
All thatcrap was quickly silenced.
[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"][QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]This was never promised. The original alpha design of the PS3 had dual HDMI--this was a Prototype. A prototype means that ALL specs are subject to change. Sony decided that it was to costly to have dual HDMI and that most games would not support this function as not many people have one HDTV let alone two in the same room to take advantage of this function. This was a SMART cost savings move. The PS3 cost enough as it is, would you really want to pay more for it.
And again the 120fps was never promised and explained in my previous post.
Ninja-Vox
ownage approved :lol:
*edited out obnoxious font*
Would you like me to get a video of Ken Kutaragi at E3 saying the Playstation 3 WILL have a gigabit ethernet port, WILL have dual-HDMI? At no point does he say "unless we decide to scrap all this as its just a prototype..."
No. He got up, on stage, at the PS3 unveiling conferance and told us what the machine WILL have. "It was just a prototype" is an awful excuse at best...
Every spec sheet that was shown for the PS3 had small print in the corner that said something allong the lines of "prototype-specs subject to change". At that point in time where Ken K was giving his speech, that was what the PS3 was planned to have as far as all of the hardware. I am not sure if you realize that anyone watching those demonstrations of prototype hardware should be aware that any spec is subject to change. Assuming you understand the business industry and how the introduction of prototpyes work, you should not be making any deal of this--because it was a prototype being shown.
Do you remember the PS3 being shown in 4 colors--I guess by this thread then that was a lie too. However, again, it was a prototype--meaning nothing was finalized. Look at any prototype product being shown to the public, it always changes between that initial demonstration and the final build of the product. For example, look at car prototypes. Hyundai recently showed off their new Genesis concept that is being put into production. However, in the newes Car and Driver mag they updated us with info that the exhaust system was going to be altered, the grill was still being finalized, there was now going to be another engine choice for this car, etc. Did Hyundia lie? Of course not. However, I can link the video showing their demonstration of the PROTOTYPE stating which exhuast system they were using and all the others aforementioned. But that does not matter, as I understand (as does all of the consumers that watched this demonstration) that it was a prototype and things are subject to change.
A lie would have been if it said on the box of the PS3 that it has dual HDMI and when you opened it up it does not. Or if Ken K demonstrated the FINAL build of the PS3 and then sold you one that was different. And your comment of a prototype being an awful excuse at best... no I think you not understanding what a prototype is and how the industry works and then CLAIMING sony lied is what is truly awful.
[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]There are also the numerous comments of the xbox shooting for "the moon" whereas the Playstation 3 shoots for "the sun". The "xbox 1.5", the PS3 being a "supercomputer" on top of all this.
You can twist it and paraphrase everything all you like guys, but to deny that sony set the hype wagon rolling with a lot of promises which weren't delivered is to be in complete denial.
Ninja-Vox
Thats just classic SONY. It will never change. I find it quit humerous, actually. Anyone who actually holds them to what they say isnt very smart to begin with.
So you guys have gone from "they didn't say it" to "they did but nobody believed it so you must be dumb" - which is it? :|
I just excepted the fact that you cant believe everything they say. Its better to be skeptical and see if it happens or not. They really dont lie about everything, just some stuff.
Damn, where were all these skeptics a year-and-a-half ago??D0013ER
Posting about how their supercomputers would destroy the xbox 1.5; dont believe me? Look at this spec sheet! Watch this video of Ken saying what it'll have!
:lol:
I dont recall anyone saying "ah but all of this is subject to change as this is just a prototype".
Every spec sheet that was shown for the PS3 had small print in the corner that said something allong the lines of "prototype-specs subject to change". At that point in time where Ken K was giving his speech, that was what the PS3 was planned to have as far as all of the hardware. I am not sure if you realize that anyone watching those demonstrations of prototype hardware should be aware that any spec is subject to change. Assuming you understand the business industry and how the introduction of prototpyes work, you should not be making any deal of this--because it was a prototype being shown.
Do you remember the PS3 being shown in 4 colors--I guess by this thread then that was a lie too. However, again, it was a prototype--meaning nothing was finalized. Look at any prototype product being shown to the public, it always changes between that initial demonstration and the final build of the product. For example, look at car prototypes. Hyundai recently showed off their new Genesis concept that is being put into production. However, in the newes Car and Driver mag they updated us with info that the exhaust system was going to be altered, the grill was still being finalized, there was now going to be another engine choice for this car, etc. Did Hyundia lie? Of course not. However, I can link the video showing their demonstration of the PROTOTYPE stating which exhuast system they were using and all the others aforementioned. But that does not matter, as I understand (as does all of the consumers that watched this demonstration) that it was a prototype and things are subject to change.
A lie would have been if it said on the box of the PS3 that it has dual HDMI and when you opened it up it does not. Or if Ken K demonstrated the FINAL build of the PS3 and then sold you one that was different. And your comment of a prototype being an awful excuse at best... no I think you not understanding what a prototype is and how the industry works and then CLAIMING sony lied is what is truly awful.
HuhJustaBox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24 :roll:
"The Playstation 3 WILL have..."
WILL. A definitive. It WILL have...
Twist it any way you like. Colours is something i'm not bothered with because at the time they actually DID say they didn't know about that, and a week later said they'd decided on the black or the silver. Not the white. At no point did they say "hey, check out the duel-HDMI, unless we decide to scrap it...."
No. Only "hey, the PS3 WILL have duel-HDMI."
And even when you twist their words; what response do you have to it being a supercomputer? That if you were to take the two machines, the xbox would be the moon and the PS3 would be the sun? The PS3 being twice as powerful? The 360 being "xbox 1.5" - you MUST remember that one. That's what the 360 was refered to for about a year.
Or did they say "The playstation 3 is a supercomputer... the 360 is more like an xbox 1.5 *cough* SUBJECT TO CHANGE *cough*" ? :|
[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"][QUOTE="swanlee"]Yea to bad the PS3 is stuck at 30 FPS for all football games this year.
qoute from joystickhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/10/28/playstation-3-will-do-120-fps/
Speaking at the Tokyo International Digital Conference yesterday, Ken Kutaragi boasted that the PS3 should be capable of running games at 120 fps. Of course, even newer TV displays aren't capable of refreshing 120 times per second, but when the technology gets there, Kutaragi hopes that the PS3 will be ready and willing to comply. If the PS3 ever manages to take advantage of this purported capability, then it will certainly put those 30 fps "next-gen" games to shame
another qoute from Gamespothttp://www.gamespot.com/news/6136786.html
"Appearing at the Tokyo International Digital Conference on Thursday to talk about the technological capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and the Cell processor, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps, according to a report in The Nikkei BP."Dreams-Visions
Thank you for finding the quotes to prove my point. Sony NEVER promised games to run at 120fps. All they said was that it is capable.
As far as the 30fps football games--Devs just don't have the PS3 down yet. Look at 360--this will be the first 360 football game to run at 60fps. The last two were locked at 30fps. It all comes down to devs. Look at NGS--locked at 60fps and 1080p. The devs hold all of the power on whether or not they are going to make a quality and technically advanced game.
dude, this kind of damage control...it's just clear to me that you haven't been here the last 2 years. this was the kind of info Cows used day in and day out to suppose dominance over competing consoles. even over PCs. You wouldn't have been fighting against PS3 fanboys then, so it's humerous to try to paint them all as crazy now.
What damage control? Personally I don't care for fanboys of any form. And please don't put words in my mouth. I would have fought against them back then too. All I stand for is what is true. It is not my problem if some yo-yo Sony fanboy miscomprehends an article and braggs about something the PS3 can do, even though Sony never claimed whatever it is the fanboy is bragging about. All I am saying is that no one can claim Sony lied on several of the things that are being argued in here, as Sony never claimed them. Just because the PS3 cannot do something that some fanboy claimed it could do does not mean that Sony lied. It means that fanboys lose and should be banned.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"][QUOTE="swanlee"]Yea to bad the PS3 is stuck at 30 FPS for all football games this year.
qoute from joystickhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/10/28/playstation-3-will-do-120-fps/
Speaking at the Tokyo International Digital Conference yesterday, Ken Kutaragi boasted that the PS3 should be capable of running games at 120 fps. Of course, even newer TV displays aren't capable of refreshing 120 times per second, but when the technology gets there, Kutaragi hopes that the PS3 will be ready and willing to comply. If the PS3 ever manages to take advantage of this purported capability, then it will certainly put those 30 fps "next-gen" games to shame
another qoute from Gamespothttp://www.gamespot.com/news/6136786.html
"Appearing at the Tokyo International Digital Conference on Thursday to talk about the technological capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and the Cell processor, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps, according to a report in The Nikkei BP."HuhJustaBox
Thank you for finding the quotes to prove my point. Sony NEVER promised games to run at 120fps. All they said was that it is capable.
As far as the 30fps football games--Devs just don't have the PS3 down yet. Look at 360--this will be the first 360 football game to run at 60fps. The last two were locked at 30fps. It all comes down to devs. Look at NGS--locked at 60fps and 1080p. The devs hold all of the power on whether or not they are going to make a quality and technically advanced game.
dude, this kind of damage control...it's just clear to me that you haven't been here the last 2 years. this was the kind of info Cows used day in and day out to suppose dominance over competing consoles. even over PCs. You wouldn't have been fighting against PS3 fanboys then, so it's humerous to try to paint them all as crazy now.
What damage control? Personally I don't care for fanboys of any form. And please don't put words in my mouth. I would have fought against them back then too. All I stand for is what is true. It is not my problem if some yo-yo Sony fanboy miscomprehends an article and braggs about something the PS3 can do, even though Sony never claimed whatever it is the fanboy is bragging about. All I am saying is that no one can claim Sony lied on several of the things that are being argued in here, as Sony never claimed them. Just because the PS3 cannot do something that some fanboy claimed it could do does not mean that Sony lied. It means that fanboys lose and should be banned.
Did Sony hype the PS3?
Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.
On to the actual topic....
When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my loved for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.
And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the xbox because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.
What, then, is the Playstation 3?
Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, next-gen playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?
Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run every game at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launches.
And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse - than their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps in every game. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.
And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.
Ninja-Vox
and this right here is why the PS3 is a flop
it didn't meet expectations
didn't meet expectations in games, graphics, sales....ie. in pretty much EVERY area
and at the rate that its going....the PS3 is on pace to being the biggest flop in gaming history
What damage control? Personally I don't care for fanboys of any form. And please don't put words in my mouth. I would have fought against them back then too. All I stand for is what is true. It is not my problem if some yo-yo Sony fanboy miscomprehends an article and braggs about something the PS3 can do, even though Sony never claimed whatever it is the fanboy is bragging about. All I am saying is that no one can claim Sony lied on several of the things that are being argued in here, as Sony never claimed them. Just because the PS3 cannot do something that some fanboy claimed it could do does not mean that Sony lied. It means that fanboys lose and should be banned.
HuhJustaBox
Your right, Sony didn't sign an I.O.U. with every potential PS3 buyer claiming that everything the PS3 was hyped for would be included at launch. But they still rounded up thousands of frothing fans, cameras, and as much publicity as they could muster while they touted powerpoints and speeches interlaced with the ocassional snide remark about the competition, knowing full well the value of good-old fashioned hype. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it worked. They wrote the check.
[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Every spec sheet that was shown for the PS3 had small print in the corner that said something allong the lines of "prototype-specs subject to change". At that point in time where Ken K was giving his speech, that was what the PS3 was planned to have as far as all of the hardware. I am not sure if you realize that anyone watching those demonstrations of prototype hardware should be aware that any spec is subject to change. Assuming you understand the business industry and how the introduction of prototpyes work, you should not be making any deal of this--because it was a prototype being shown.
Do you remember the PS3 being shown in 4 colors--I guess by this thread then that was a lie too. However, again, it was a prototype--meaning nothing was finalized. Look at any prototype product being shown to the public, it always changes between that initial demonstration and the final build of the product. For example, look at car prototypes. Hyundai recently showed off their new Genesis concept that is being put into production. However, in the newes Car and Driver mag they updated us with info that the exhaust system was going to be altered, the grill was still being finalized, there was now going to be another engine choice for this car, etc. Did Hyundia lie? Of course not. However, I can link the video showing their demonstration of the PROTOTYPE stating which exhuast system they were using and all the others aforementioned. But that does not matter, as I understand (as does all of the consumers that watched this demonstration) that it was a prototype and things are subject to change.
A lie would have been if it said on the box of the PS3 that it has dual HDMI and when you opened it up it does not. Or if Ken K demonstrated the FINAL build of the PS3 and then sold you one that was different. And your comment of a prototype being an awful excuse at best... no I think you not understanding what a prototype is and how the industry works and then CLAIMING sony lied is what is truly awful.
Ninja-Vox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24 :roll:
"The Playstation 3 WILL have..."
WILL. A definitive. It WILL have...
Twist it any way you like. Colours is something i'm not bothered with because at the time they actually DID say they didn't know about that, and a week later said they'd decided on the black or the silver. Not the white. At no point did they say "hey, check out the duel-HDMI, unless we decide to scrap it...."
No. Only "hey, the PS3 WILL have duel-HDMI."
And even when you twist their words; what response do you have to it being a supercomputer? That if you were to take the two machines, the xbox would be the moon and the PS3 would be the sun? The PS3 being twice as powerful? The 360 being "xbox 1.5" - you MUST remember that one. That's what the 360 was refered to for about a year.
Or did they say "The playstation 3 is a supercomputer... the 360 is more like an xbox 1.5 *cough* SUBJECT TO CHANGE *cough*" ? :|
I did not watch the videos, and will assume that your quotes are correct. Now on to my point. I understand that Ken K claimed that it will have this and that and etc. However, the responsibility is on anyone watching to know that what is being shown is a prototype. No demonstration of a prototype will ever have the speaker showing off the specs of some product and then claiming after each one that it is subject tochange. It is inherent within the demonstration of a prototype that the specs are subject to change. Again, I can link the Hyundai demo too, but what happened was not a lie--as it was a prototype too. I think the problem here is the misunderstanding of what a prototype demo is all about. You have to go in realizing that this is the "dream" of the final product. You have to know that this is the snapshot of what company ABC is shooting for. On the flipside you also go into one of these demos with the idea that what they are showing you will resemble to a fairly high degree on what the final product will be about (i.e. you could claim lies if someone demoed the prototoype of an airplane, and then it changed into a bridge for final production).
Now the question is, does the final product from Sony resemble to a high degree of what the prototype was. I think just about everyone can aggree that yes it does.
As far as your supercomputer quote... well looking at the specs and the amount of floating point operations that the Cell can crunch then this claim it not too far off. The definition of a supercomputer is kind of slippery, but the amount of FP that it can calculate are similar to a supercomputer. Will this carry over into the making of games is yet to be determined. I think this ability will greatly help the PS3 to have far superior physics, and AI, but graphics don't have much to do with FP--so this will really not make much of a difference with graphics. However, some of the other specs will help in outputting of quality graphics. Also, please note that I am not a computer scientist, so don't shoot me if I am incorrect on FP calculations being helpful towards physics and AI (maybe someone with more education in that field could shed some light).
As far as the other comments (xbox 1.5, sun, moon, etc.), do you really want me to comment on this. Any level headed consumer can see that this is just normal hype and propoganda that any company does. Wow, imagine company A bashing company B and claiming that they are far superior to company B. Yeah that never happens in the real world (note sarcasm). Remember the article that MS employees posted slightly after the E305 presentation that countered what Sony claimed and they claimed that in fact the 360 was far superior to the PS3? How come the 360 games don't look far superior? Could it just be hype and propoganda that every company uses to persuade consumers to buy their product?
HuhJustaBox; you're talking nonsense. Nobody watched that E3 unveiling thinking "this is just a dream of what it could be like". That was the playstation 3. That was what it was going to be. Honestly, i've never heard such desperate fanboy attempts to defend a company.
If we go to your world then, can we not say that the prototype saw one hell of a downgrade to the working model, then? Perhaps we could say that the "prototype" was BS and didn't model the actual product at all?
Also fanboys; if sony never promised anything, explain to me why THE NEW YORK TIMES has made an entire article on how they hyped it to be much more powerful than the competition, and isn't?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?ex=1184040000&en=25b3a68349fdc204&ei=5070
Did they watch the E3 conference and get it wrong, too? Heck, it looks like you guys are the only ones on the planet who knew what sony were REALLY doing... apparently, just talking about a "dream machine" which they were never ACTUALLY going to make.
Yeah right. :roll:
[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]What damage control? Personally I don't care for fanboys of any form. And please don't put words in my mouth. I would have fought against them back then too. All I stand for is what is true. It is not my problem if some yo-yo Sony fanboy miscomprehends an article and braggs about something the PS3 can do, even though Sony never claimed whatever it is the fanboy is bragging about. All I am saying is that no one can claim Sony lied on several of the things that are being argued in here, as Sony never claimed them. Just because the PS3 cannot do something that some fanboy claimed it could do does not mean that Sony lied. It means that fanboys lose and should be banned.
D0013ER
Your right, Sony didn't sign an I.O.U. with every potential PS3 buyer claiming that everything the PS3 was hyped for would be included at launch. But they still rounded up thousands of frothing fans, cameras, and as much publicity as they could muster while they touted powerpoints and speeches interlaced with the ocassional snide remark about the competition, knowing full well the value of good-old fashioned hype. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it worked. They wrote the check.
Last time I checked, the E3 events were all about hype and to generate interest in the prduct that you are selling. Sony did just this, and I don't see a problem. The snide remarks at their competition--last time I checked, every company under the sun does this. Every business throws cracks at their competitors-it is a two way street and to claim Sony is evil for doing so is not right. All of the other companies do as well. You may not agree with that business tactic (personally I wish companies would refrain from it), but that is the business world and there is not much that you or I can do about it.
I think something that everyone is forgetting and calling Sony on the carpet is the game demos. The funny part of that is that they are actually coming through with the goods. Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted all look much better than their original demos. Motorstorm came damn close at reaching its target render. I think IGN said that while they did not meet the target render they came really really really close. The only one that is under review is Killzone. I wish people would hold judgement until we see what happens at E3. Most people claim it as a lie and that there is no way that in game could look like that, but we have yet to see the game... so at least wait. Personally, I think it will be close, but I doubt that in game will look that good during the next few years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?ex=1184040000&en=25b3a68349fdc204&ei=5070
"Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360, Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun.
Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise."
"Over the weekend a clear sense of disappointment with the PlayStation 3 emerged from many gamers."
How can you say Sony doesn't lie and use words hype and propaganda?
Hype is a deception, and Sony Hypes more then the other two companies.
Hype:
1. publicity: greatly exaggerated publicity intended to excite public interest in something such as a movie or theatrical production
2. somebody or something overpublicized: a widely publicized person or thing
3. deception: a deception or dishonest scheme
Propaganda:
1. misleading publicity: deceptive or distorted information that is systematically spread
Last time I checked, the E3 events were all about hype and to generate interest in the prduct that you are selling. Sony did just this, and I don't see a problem. The snide remarks at their competition--last time I checked, every company under the sun does this. Every business throws cracks at their competitors-it is a two way street and to claim Sony is evil for doing so is not right. All of the other companies do as well. You may not agree with that business tactic (personally I wish companies would refrain from it), but that is the business world and there is not much that you or I can do about it.
I think something that everyone is forgetting and calling Sony on the carpet is the game demos. The funny part of that is that they are actually coming through with the goods. Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted all look much better than their original demos. Motorstorm came damn close at reaching its target render. I think IGN said that while they did not meet the target render they came really really really close. The only one that is under review is Killzone. I wish people would hold judgement until we see what happens at E3. Most people claim it as a lie and that there is no way that in game could look like that, but we have yet to see the game... so at least wait. Personally, I think it will be close, but I doubt that in game will look that good during the next few years.
HuhJustaBox
No offense to you at all, but you know as well as i do that you're in complete denial. Generating hype is not the same thing as showing off CGI videos and saying they're real gameplay. That's a lie. Showing off a prototype of a console you're releasing in less than a year (so they said at the time...) is not the same thing as going through a presentation of what your console WILL have, only to launch a machine which doesn't have any of that; that's a LIE. That's telling people they can expect a machine which will have all kinds of bells and whistles; and they'll expect it. It never came though. You can whine about "prototypes" all you like. The PS3 we were shown at E3 was not the PS3 we got. Simple as that.
And finally, you can go on about "friendly competition" but Nintendo never said the Wii was twice as powerful as the PS3. Microsoft never said the PS3 was just as PS2.5. They never said the xbox 360 was a supercomputer and the PS3 was just another games machine.
You sir, are in denial. If you're honestly unwilling to admit that the PS3 we got was a shadow of the PS3 Sony got us all hyped for, its pointless continuing this conversation.
I think something that everyone is forgetting and calling Sony on the carpet is the game demos. The funny part of that is that they are actually coming through with the goods. Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted all look much better than their original demos. Motorstorm came damn close at reaching its target render. I think IGN said that while they did not meet the target render they came really really really close. The only one that is under review is Killzone. I wish people would hold judgement until we see what happens at E3. Most people claim it as a lie and that there is no way that in game could look like that, but we have yet to see the game... so at least wait. Personally, I think it will be close, but I doubt that in game will look that good during the next few years.
HuhJustaBox
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Did your PS3 come with special glasses?
When you believe hype more than gameplay videos and fact sheets then you will find yourself very disappointed in almost every aspect of gaming.
Tiefster
No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.
Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.
I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?
The PlayStation 3 just... Doesn't live up to promises.
Newnab
Simply put, that is what disenfranchised me with the company in general.
[QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?no_submission
A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.
Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.
I don't mean to sound rude, but if you honestly believed that stuff you deserve to be disappointed.
Seriously, this crap was spawned from the babblebus himself, Mr. *Resigned* Ken Kuteragi.
Exactly! Ken=/= Sony
uh thats wrong, Ken represents sony, whaare they suppossed to do release a press release about it?
the samegoes for the oher ompanie
if Reggie says something, he is representing nintendo in it
if J allard or Peter Moore claims soemthing, its in representation of the Xbox division at MS
...
HuhJustaBox; you're talking nonsense. Nobody watched that E3 unveiling thinking "this is just a dream of what it could be like". That was the playstation 3. That was what it was going to be. Honestly, i've never heard such desperate fanboy attempts to defend a company.
If we go to your world then, can we not say that the prototype saw one hell of a downgrade to the working model, then? Perhaps we could say that the "prototype" was BS and didn't model the actual product at all?
Also fanboys; if sony never promised anything, explain to me why THE NEW YORK TIMES has made an entire article on how they hyped it to be much more powerful than the competition, and isn't?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?ex=1184040000&en=25b3a68349fdc204&ei=5070
Did they watch the E3 conference and get it wrong, too? Heck, it looks like you guys are the only ones on the planet who knew what sony were REALLY doing... apparently, just talking about a "dream machine" which they were never ACTUALLY going to make.
Yeah right. :roll:
Ninja-Vox
Wow, you just don't get it do you? I am as far from a fanboy as there is, yet you call me one anyways. I am not defending Sony either, I am just proving with facts that they did not lie. Sure I am not happy with some of their moves. But your posts are filled with such disdain that I wonder if you are not a Sony hater. So far you seem to be, which would make you one of the many fanboys that just bash Sony with half truths and lies.
I refuse to further explain what it means to be a prototype, as I feel that you do understand what it means, but you just hate Sony so much that you will twist reality and ignore facts. I also, don't see the one heck of a downgrade that you proclaim. Most of the specs stayed the same-some even got better (a la HDMI included in the $500 version)-while others got worse. As far as the machine not being superior--give it time--you expect this highly complicated machine to have the power tapped in a few months.
The NY Times did get it right. Technically it is superior to 360. It is just a lot more complicated and will take time to show this. You will be eating your words as the years go by. Right now both systems are outputting visuals that are on par with each other (while the 360s potential has been tapped into at rates of 40-65% of thefullpoweraccording to dev interviews, while the PS3 is in the 10-30% range), this will change as devs become more familiar with the hardware. And hopefully Sony will get their heads out of their butts and keep more tech support coming like EDGE. MS is really a head of them in aiding devs in utilizing the hardware, and hopefully Sony will continue with things like EDGE and do better this gen with supporting devs on hardware tools.
Also, some of the tech that makes the PS3 superior will not be shown through visuals. You will see great advancements in AI and physics.
However, the point of this thread was to discuss about the Sony "lies"--which I have proven many to either be misconceptions,not understanding what a prototype is,or nothing but sony hate.
I do wish you happy gaming on which ever system you prefer. And if you really do own a PS3, I hope that it exceeds your expectations in the years to come. I imagine with the fall lineup that you will no longer be disappointed, and by 2008 you will be exctatic with your purchase.
No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.
Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.
I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?
TekkenMaster606
What thread are you reading? :| The whole point is that i've waited until launch, and i KNOW it's an amazing system. The whole point was that it's an awesome console, sold short by the fact that Sony over-hyped it and many people expected too much. More than they could deliver.
Stop defending sony by default. You end up making posts like that were you're defending against things which haven't even been said.
I refuse to further explain what it means to be a prototype, as I feel that you do understand what it means, but you just hate Sony so much that you will twist reality and ignore facts. I also, don't see the one heck of a downgrade that you proclaim. Most of the specs stayed the same-some even got better (a la HDMI included in the $500 version)-while others got worse. As far as the machine not being superior--give it time--you expect this highly complicated machine to have the power tapped in a few months.
HuhJustaBox
I have nothing against Sony; the whole point of the thread was to explain why many are disilusioned with the Playstation. Your arguement is incredibly weak however, as all you basically say is that "it was just a prototype" which i've said numerous times, is nonsense. Simple as that.
I know exactly what a prototype is so save your patronising comments please. And Sony were not showing off a prototype. Nor were they showing off a concept, or a "dream" as you rediculously called it. In going through a powerpoint of what the Playstation 3 "WILL" have they are telling you what it "WILL" have and what you can expect. Why you should go pre-order. Heck, even when he says "all of these are standard features of Playstation 3" - oh wait; not playstation 3, just the prototype, right?
The simple fact is, the hype generated by Sony was that not of a new, awesome Playstation coming; but a "supercomputer" which would annihilate the xbox 1.5 which wasn't even in the same league in terms of power and ability. That turned out to be completely false.
Fact.
"However, the point of this thread was to discuss about the Sony "lies"--which I have proven many to either be misconceptions,not understanding what a prototype is,or nothing but sony hate."
Have you heck. :roll:
Also, that's not the point of the thread at all. Did you even read the original post? :| Good grief... and you wonder why i think you're a fanboy?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]HuhJustaBox; you're talking nonsense. Nobody watched that E3 unveiling thinking "this is just a dream of what it could be like". That was the playstation 3. That was what it was going to be. Honestly, i've never heard such desperate fanboy attempts to defend a company.
If we go to your world then, can we not say that the prototype saw one hell of a downgrade to the working model, then? Perhaps we could say that the "prototype" was BS and didn't model the actual product at all?
Also fanboys; if sony never promised anything, explain to me why THE NEW YORK TIMES has made an entire article on how they hyped it to be much more powerful than the competition, and isn't?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?ex=1184040000&en=25b3a68349fdc204&ei=5070
Did they watch the E3 conference and get it wrong, too? Heck, it looks like you guys are the only ones on the planet who knew what sony were REALLY doing... apparently, just talking about a "dream machine" which they were never ACTUALLY going to make.
Yeah right. :roll:
HuhJustaBox
However, the point of this thread was to discuss about the Sony "lies"--which I have proven many to either be misconceptions,not understanding what a prototype is,or nothing but sony hate.
Have you even read the thread? lol
After the whole 'Ultra 64' debacle everyone should have learned to set their expectations accordingly. Remember when Killer Instinct and Cruis'n USA arcade was supposed to represent what we were going to get with the Nintendo 64? I remember what we got and it wasn't exactly that.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]:lol: :lol: :lol:
Did your PS3 come with special glasses?
CyanX73
My PS3 still works and so does 99% of PS3's out there. The same is not true for 360. Given a choice, I'd take a working console over a faulty one any day.
That's nice; please explain what that has to do with absolutely anything what so ever. :|
After the whole 'Ultra 64' debacle everyone should have learned to set their expectations accordingly. Remember when Killer Instinct and Cruis'n USA arcade was supposed to represent what we were going to get with the Nintendo 64? I remember what we got and it wasn't exactly that.
TekkenMaster606
So this just makes it okay that Sony overhyped the PS3?
[QUOTE="Tiefster"]When you believe hype more than gameplay videos and fact sheets then you will find yourself very disappointed in almost every aspect of gaming.
TekkenMaster606
No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.
Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.
I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?
Sony deliverd the goods eh? Toy Story graphics ring a bell?
After the whole 'Ultra 64' debacle everyone should have learned to set their expectations accordingly. Remember when Killer Instinct and Cruis'n USA arcade was supposed to represent what we were going to get with the Nintendo 64? I remember what we got and it wasn't exactly that.
TekkenMaster606
True. People shouldn't allow corporate propaganda and hype-mongering to set their expectations so high and make them run out and buy something only to be disappointed; but the fact is, people DO listen to corporate propaganda. When the president of Sony's game division tells you the next PS3 will be of super-computer proportions, many people think "wow! that's awesome!" When they say their machine makes the 360 look like "xbox 1.5" people believe it; hence why that was the name of the xbox around here for over a year. When they show off Killzone and say its real, against your better judgement, you BELIEVE them because they said so. They cant just lie, can they?
That is the average mindset. And it was such huge hype which lead to such disappointment; that is my point. Had sony not over-promised and gone too far on the hype wagon, the PS3 would be appreciated for the great machine it is.
[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]When you believe hype more than gameplay videos and fact sheets then you will find yourself very disappointed in almost every aspect of gaming.
demoralizer
No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.
Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.
I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?
Sony deliverd the goods eh? Toy Story graphics ring a bell?
Sony never said that. It came from Time Magazine and George Lucas.
see the HDMI times 2 ...sound like a promise to me...
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