The Playstation 3's second-worst problem

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]

When you believe hype more than gameplay videos and fact sheets then you will find yourself very disappointed in almost every aspect of gaming.

TekkenMaster606

No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.

Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.

I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?

Sony deliverd the goods eh? Toy Story graphics ring a bell?

Sony never said that. It came from Time Magazine and George Lucas.

All right so you really believe Sony has delivered the goods and has a solid track record?

True, it hasn't and never will live up to those expectations. But should the fact that multi-billion dollar corporations lie(duh!) make you miss out on its exclusives? No! Get over it. It's a more than competent system. Appreciate it for what it is and don't be down it because of some impossible hype you should've never bought into. If you can get past that you'll see it for what it is, the cheapest blu-ray player on the market with some amazing exclusive games in the lineup and plenty of features to boot.espoac

Is that not exactly what i said? That it's an awesome system and its a shame people were disappointed thanks to the hype? Honestly, 90% of the people who've replied with any retort haven't actually read the post, i swear.

[QUOTE="espoac"]True, it hasn't and never will live up to those expectations. But should the fact that multi-billion dollar corporations lie(duh!) make you miss out on its exclusives? No! Get over it. It's a more than competent system. Appreciate it for what it is and don't be down it because of some impossible hype you should've never bought into. If you can get past that you'll see it for what it is, the cheapest blu-ray player on the market with some amazing exclusive games in the lineup and plenty of features to boot.Ninja-Vox

Is that not exactly what i said? That it's an awesome system and its a shame people were disappointed thanks to the hype? Honestly, 90% of the people who've replied with any retort haven't actually read the post, i swear.

they never do read the post unfortunately...they just see an inkling of there system being put down and they try to counter with whatever they can think of

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]

When you believe hype more than gameplay videos and fact sheets then you will find yourself very disappointed in almost every aspect of gaming.

demoralizer

No joke. This post says it all. Tiefster has delivered the goods.

Why should I care about what was said by corporate lackeys and fanboys said before the thing even launched. It's nice to discuss and all of those press conferences and releases as well as tidbits of news make for good talking points. But by no means are a few rabid idiots going to speak for me.

I've made my conclusions after the launch, after I played it and there is where I have determined my expectations for the future of the platform. Sony has delivered the goods before and has a solid track record. Microsoft is the prime example of buying your way into an industry. Exactly why is Sony so evil again?

Sony deliverd the goods eh? Toy Story graphics ring a bell?

Sony never said that. It came from Time Magazine and George Lucas.

All right so you really believe Sony has delivered the goods and has a solid track record?

If you really think that a few failed promises over the course of a year and a half are enough to make me forget about over 10 years worth of great support coupled with a great console gaming experience then something it really wrong with me.

I don't do short-term and exactly what has Microsoft done for everyone during the entire run of the Xbox platform? Drop the first one like a hot rock to get out of the gate first?

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

Ninja-Vox

Very good post and I agree.

Cows forget or rather I think SW really forgets how much Sony sold the PS3 as the second coming of jesus in the form of a console. I mean I was one of those people to be honest. I told many non serious casual gamers I knew it would be the biggest thing, the graphics would be mind blowing and yes, I used Killzone 2 as an example.

But what happened? The graphics were nothing special or amazing as they promised. And sure this is early and I'm fine with that but.... based on how they sold the system they should have outdone Gears of War by two times already. They claimed they would be that amazing and powerful but yet Gears is still the benchmark for graphics over half a year later.

I think they oversold and lied (killzone2) and did their best because they knew the pricetag would be an issue.

Good post TC

[QUOTE="espoac"]True, it hasn't and never will live up to those expectations. But should the fact that multi-billion dollar corporations lie(duh!) make you miss out on its exclusives? No! Get over it. It's a more than competent system. Appreciate it for what it is and don't be down it because of some impossible hype you should've never bought into. If you can get past that you'll see it for what it is, the cheapest blu-ray player on the market with some amazing exclusive games in the lineup and plenty of features to boot.Ninja-Vox

Is that not exactly what i said? That it's an awesome system and its a shame people were disappointed thanks to the hype? Honestly, 90% of the people who've replied with any retort haven't actually read the post, i swear.

True, it hasn't and never will live up to those expectations. But should the fact that multi-billion dollar corporations lie(duh!) make you miss out on its exclusives? No! Get over it. It's a more than competent system. Appreciate it for what it is and don't be down it because of some impossible hype you should've never bought into. If you can get past that you'll see it for what it is, the cheapest blu-ray player on the market with some amazing exclusive games in the lineup and plenty of features to boot.espoac

Sorry I don't want a blu ray player. Even a "Cheap" one at that price.

I agree 100%.jim_shorts

I second that.

that really was a very good post. Well put together.

No one should flame you for what was said.

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]

I think something that everyone is forgetting and calling Sony on the carpet is the game demos. The funny part of that is that they are actually coming through with the goods. Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted all look much better than their original demos. Motorstorm came damn close at reaching its target render. I think IGN said that while they did not meet the target render they came really really really close. The only one that is under review is Killzone. I wish people would hold judgement until we see what happens at E3. Most people claim it as a lie and that there is no way that in game could look like that, but we have yet to see the game... so at least wait. Personally, I think it will be close, but I doubt that in game will look that good during the next few years.

Ninja-Vox

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Did your PS3 come with special glasses?

From IGN:

So the question is, does the game live up to and properly recreate what we saw in the target video? Yes and no. The game doesn't look quite as good (though it is certainly a system showpiece), but it does come extremely close to bringing the chaos that we saw in the video to the PlayStation 3.

So yeah, it did not look quite as good--but it still looked amazing. I don't know about you but I have a 60inch 1080p tv and this game looks amazing. I will easily admit that the game does not look as good at the trailer, but it does look close. Not to mention the crazy chaos is just as good as the trailer--which has made this one heck of a game to play. It has been one of my favorites in quite a while. I have not played many games that gives you so many laugh out load moments and holy crap moments one after the other. If you do have a PS3--I highly suggest you pick this one up.

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

Ninja-Vox

Ok so ps3 was promised to be 2x more powerful than 360.What if by the end of the gen we see that the ps3 is 1.5x more powerful than the 360.So will u say that the 360 is actually better because ps3 was supposed to be 2x more powerful but it isnt so it sucks and 360 is better.

And u do realise that being 2x more powerful does not neccesarily mean 2x more graphics.Blue ray and standard HDD make the ps3 more powerful in games than the xbox 360.These things do not improve graphics but they can improve the overall game especially blue ray.U will see with GT5 which will really benefit from blue ray cuz u simply cant have a racing game on multiple discs.Forza 2 has dissapointing graphics and sound and surely the limited DVD9 had it's roll to play in that especially the disappointing sound effects.

I appreciate that you have made an unbiased post but ur argument of "If something is hyped to be awesome turns out to be not so awesome but still very good simply cant be enjoyed".It's just like saying that an AAA hyped game simply cant be enjoyed if it get's an 8.5.I mean seriously think about it that is a very seriously flawed argument.

[QUOTE="espoac"]True, it hasn't and never will live up to those expectations. But should the fact that multi-billion dollar corporations lie(duh!) make you miss out on its exclusives? No! Get over it. It's a more than competent system. Appreciate it for what it is and don't be down it because of some impossible hype you should've never bought into. If you can get past that you'll see it for what it is, the cheapest blu-ray player on the market with some amazing exclusive games in the lineup and plenty of features to boot.kcpp2b

Sorry I don't want a blu ray player. Even a "Cheap" one at that price.

Sony never promised those things.no_submission

bahahahaha, yes they did.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="SiLkYsHoT33"]

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

And if anyone actually believed what Sony said is a fool. Atleast to think its going to happen at launch, maybe in 3 years but certainly not at launch. Funny how this console war is being decided in the first year..

RahXephon101

Xbox Live was available at launch. It was up and running and full of stuff to download from day one.

Actually xbox live was offered late 2002, about one year after the xbox launched...

talkin' bout the 360 here buddy.

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.Ninja-Vox

They never said anything of the sort. They said developers would have the ability to make their games capable of such things. This isn't the same as "every game running at such and such."

Please. Spare me the bull****.

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]

I refuse to further explain what it means to be a prototype, as I feel that you do understand what it means, but you just hate Sony so much that you will twist reality and ignore facts. I also, don't see the one heck of a downgrade that you proclaim. Most of the specs stayed the same-some even got better (a la HDMI included in the $500 version)-while others got worse. As far as the machine not being superior--give it time--you expect this highly complicated machine to have the power tapped in a few months.

Ninja-Vox

I have nothing against Sony; the whole point of the thread was to explain why many are disilusioned with the Playstation. Your arguement is incredibly weak however, as all you basically say is that "it was just a prototype" which i've said numerous times, is nonsense. Simple as that.

I know exactly what a prototype is so save your patronising comments please. And Sony were not showing off a prototype. Nor were they showing off a concept, or a "dream" as you rediculously called it. In going through a powerpoint of what the Playstation 3 "WILL" have they are telling you what it "WILL" have and what you can expect. Why you should go pre-order. Heck, even when he says "all of these are standard features of Playstation 3" - oh wait; not playstation 3, just the prototype, right?

The simple fact is, the hype generated by Sony was that not of a new, awesome Playstation coming; but a "supercomputer" which would annihilate the xbox 1.5 which wasn't even in the same league in terms of power and ability. That turned out to be completely false.

Fact.

"However, the point of this thread was to discuss about the Sony "lies"--which I have proven many to either be misconceptions,not understanding what a prototype is,or nothing but sony hate."

Have you heck. :roll:

Also, that's not the point of the thread at all. Did you even read the original post? :| Good grief... and you wonder why i think you're a fanboy?

If you don't want to accept what a prototype demonstration is, then I suggest to never go see one whether it is for a new car, tv, speakers, consoles, computers, etc. Because believe you me, you will be disappointed beyond all belief when one or two things are missing from the final product.

And yes I did read the original post in which you claimed you were very disappoined because it lacked 1080p in every game, no dual HDMI, no 120fps, etc. All of which you claimed Sony to have promised. All of which was never really promised, which was my point.

Also, the reason why I doubt your disappointment and feel that you are just yet another Sony hater is that the things you are disappointed in (the ones you mentioned in your ORIGINAL post) makes little difference to none for gamers. Does 120fps matter to any gamer in the real world--NO! Why? Because there are no tvs to support it.

Does one HDMI versus two HDMI ports really matter to the gamer in the real world? No! Why? Because there are probably no more than one or two people in the entire world that have two HDTVs sitting side by side in the real world.

Does 1080p in every game matter to the gamer in the real world? Probably not. Why? Because harldy any people have a 1080p set. Besides, Sony never claimed any of this anyways.

So hmmm? Why do I question your credibility? Jeeze I don't know. Because I know when I was having a blast with Motorstorm, Resistance, Oblivion, RSV, The Darkness--I suddenly stopped myself and slammed down the controller and shouted to the heavens that I was beyond disappointed because there was not another HDMI port to keep the only one I have company.

The things you are disappointed in (according to your original post) are mostly all things that no one would be, unless you were a Sony hater. Sure, you could be upset at the price and the lack of games, as many are--which is the real reason why the systems are not selling well. However, all of that is going to be changing drastically in the next few months. And do you think any consumer other than the hardest of hardcores pays any attention to the things that you are disappointed in? You find me one person that buys a PS3 over the next few years that decides to throw his controler down in disgust and sell his PS3 when you tell him that there was "suppose" to be 2 HDMI ports, and I will give you my car.

This thread is pretty much pointless from the get go, as the masses don't even know what E3 even is, let alone your lame argunments. Also, do you think the masses even know who Ken K, JAllard, or Reggie (FromNintendo) even is-let alone their boasts of why their systems are superiour. Therefore rendering your so called "second worst problem" non existant. The only problems are price and games. Games are already here and many more on the way, and the price will be falling.

/thread

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

musacircuit

Ok so ps3 was promised to be 2x more powerful than 360.What if by the end of the gen we see that the ps3 is 1.5x more powerful than the 360.So will u say that the 360 is actually better because ps3 was supposed to be 2x more powerful but it isnt so it sucks and 360 is better.

And u do realise that being 2x more powerful does not neccesarily mean 2x more graphics.Blue ray and standard HDD make the ps3 more powerful in games than the xbox 360.These things do not improve graphics but they can improve the overall game especially blue ray.U will see with GT5 which will really benefit from blue ray cuz u simply cant have a racing game on multiple discs.Forza 2 has dissapointing graphics and sound and surely the limited DVD9 had it's roll to play in that especially the disappointing sound effects.

I appreciate that you have made an unbiased post but ur argument of "If something is hyped to be awesome turns out to be not so awesome but still very good simply cant be enjoyed".It's just like saying that an AAA hyped game simply cant be enjoyed if it get's an 8.5.I mean seriously think about it that is a very seriously flawed argument.

Give this man a cookie for being 100% correct. I guess if we all lived in the world of the orginal poster, we would all hate our ferarris because the final production model did not have that top speed of 250mph that the prototypes did, but that its final productiontop speed is instead 240mph. Yeah I really hate that!

I thought the one year headstart was a bad move at first but now I think this was the best M$ could do. When you think about it, consoles are way more powerful than last gen but there is no huge difference. The first xbox hadn't been maxed so even if the consoles are super powerful it takes so much time that there is almost no different. And most multiplatform games run better on the 360. lol PS3 fails in so many ways.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.Pariah_001

They never said anything of the sort. They said developers would have the ability to make their games capable of such things. This isn't the same as "every game running at such and such."

Please. Spare me the bull****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24

Though fanboyish, the video has a lovely section of Ken telling us what the Playstation 3 WILL have, at the PS3 unveiling conferance. For all the fanboys who say "thats just what he expected..." or "what he was thinking...". No. They didn't put together a powerpoint and let Ken get onstage to say what was on his mind.

Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]uhhh what was supposed to be promised and what was it supposed to be?Ninja-Vox

A super-computer massively more powerful than the "xbox 1.5" which would deliver TRUE next-gen gaming with every game running at 120fps at 1080p with 4d controls.

Had it been hyped as an all new, improved, next-gen Playstation i think it would have been received far better than it actually was; because you would have been getting exactly what you were promised.

100% correct. I remember all the " its as powerful as a supercomputer" and "blu ray was gonna be the future with all new impressive visuals" and it was supposed to be 5x more powerful than a 360, etc. Now i hope developers just dont know how to use it all, because i truly think in the future, the PS3 will pass the 360 (graphics wise)

Exactly! Ken=/= Sony

no_submission

wow :| that made me laugh :lol:

[QUOTE="musacircuit"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

HuhJustaBox

Ok so ps3 was promised to be 2x more powerful than 360.What if by the end of the gen we see that the ps3 is 1.5x more powerful than the 360.So will u say that the 360 is actually better because ps3 was supposed to be 2x more powerful but it isnt so it sucks and 360 is better.

And u do realise that being 2x more powerful does not neccesarily mean 2x more graphics.Blue ray and standard HDD make the ps3 more powerful in games than the xbox 360.These things do not improve graphics but they can improve the overall game especially blue ray.U will see with GT5 which will really benefit from blue ray cuz u simply cant have a racing game on multiple discs.Forza 2 has dissapointing graphics and sound and surely the limited DVD9 had it's roll to play in that especially the disappointing sound effects.

I appreciate that you have made an unbiased post but ur argument of "If something is hyped to be awesome turns out to be not so awesome but still very good simply cant be enjoyed".It's just like saying that an AAA hyped game simply cant be enjoyed if it get's an 8.5.I mean seriously think about it that is a very seriously flawed argument.

Give this man a cookie for being 100% correct. I guess if we all lived in the world of the orginal poster, we would all hate our ferarris because the final production model did not have that top speed of 250mph that the prototypes did, but that its final productiontop speed is instead 240mph. Yeah I really hate that!

But the PS3 from what they promised till now is like making a car that's suppose to go 180 top speed... and only does 75

:lol: Oh really Sony?

I appreciate that you have made an unbiased post but ur argument of "If something is hyped to be awesome turns out to be not so awesome but still very good simply cant be enjoyed".It's just like saying that an AAA hyped game simply cant be enjoyed if it get's an 8.5.I mean seriously think about it that is a very seriously flawed argument.

musacircuit

It's not a flawed arguement because that's not what i said at all. I'll take your metaphor; if a game hyped AAA only gets AA, of course it can be enjoyed, but will often be over-shadowed by the fact that it isn't what it was supposed to be. If Halo 3 got an 8.5 it would undoubtedly be an awesome game, but will be hated on to high heaven for not being the blockbuster it was hyped to be.

At no point did i say the PS3 cannot be enjoyed. Where you got that from i dont know.

Give this man a cookie for being 100% correct. I guess if we all lived in the world of the orginal poster, we would all hate our ferarris because the final production model did not have that top speed of 250mph that the prototypes did, but that its final productiontop speed is instead 240mph. Yeah I really hate that!

HuhJustaBox

I find it amusing that you imply it is ME who is outside of reality. :roll: The PS3 is not a Ferrari which was meant to go 250mph and ended up at 240. It was the greatest car the world had ever seen; so great, all other sports cars weren't *true* sports cars, and you'd never actually seen a *true* sports car and never would until this particular one releases. It turns out however, that when it does come out, it's an amazing car... but no more so than anything else on the market. The hype was completely unjustified, the marketing deceptive, the fact sheets compeltely detached from the reality.

Although i guess you'd just say "but that was just a prototype..." :roll:

Also; you just said the guy who claims i said the PS3 couldn't be enjoyed because it didn't live up to the hype is 100% correct, yet i didn't say that at all. If anything, i said the opposite. With every post you make you just add more and more evidence that you haven't bothered to read the original post.

I agree. The PS3 underachieved in every way.

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Give this man a cookie for being 100% correct. I guess if we all lived in the world of the orginal poster, we would all hate our ferarris because the final production model did not have that top speed of 250mph that the prototypes did, but that its final productiontop speed is instead 240mph. Yeah I really hate that!

Ninja-Vox

I find it amusing that you imply it is ME who is outside of reality. :roll: The PS3 is not a Ferrari which was meant to go 250mph and ended up at 240. It was the greatest car the world had ever seen; so great, all other sports cars weren't *true* sports cars, and you'd never actually seen a *true* sports car and never would until this particular one releases. It turns out however, that when it does come out, it's an amazing car... but no more so than anything else on the market. The hype was completely unjustified, the marketing deceptive, the fact sheets compeltely detached from the reality.

Although i guess you'd just say "but that was just a prototype..." :roll:

Also; you just said the guy who claims i said the PS3 couldn't be enjoyed because it didn't live up to the hype is 100% correct, yet i didn't say that at all. If anything, i said the opposite. With every post you make you just add more and more evidence that you haven't bothered to read the original post.

Really, the facts sheet completely detached from reality? Hmmm. Last time I checked blu-ray was still included, so was the Cell processor, so was the RSX chip, so was the Ram, so was the optical output, so was the SD card slots, so was HDMI, so was the ethernet port, so was usb ports, so was version 1.3 HDMI with TrueColortechnology,etc. The only thing that changed was HDMI was cut from two ports to one on the 60 gig and then it was upped from 0 to 1 port on the 20 gig. Three ethernet ports were reduced to one and 6 usb ports were reduced to 4. Don't you realize that this was all done to reduce cost and the fact that no one really had a need for an extra HDMI, three ethernet ports, and why on Earth would it be a big deal for having 4 usb ports instead of 6? I fail to see how these MINOR changes make the PS3 teh major downgrade in which you are proclaiming.

Oh and the 120fps--yeah what fact sheet was that ever on? None! Sony never promised that. And what fact sheet was 1080p in EVERY game on? Oh yeah, none again! As Sony never promised every game to be at 1080p.

However, I can agree with you on the hype factor of all of the semantics Sony used to hype the system with 4d (which really does not mean anything) and next gen does not start until we say so. Although, these were not on any fact sheets and is just common business practice on making your product look better than the competitors. If you think that no other company does this to hype their product, then I don't know what to say. You may not agree with it (and I can respect you opinion), but you better learn to deal with it, as it is how the business sector works. On a side note--the true HD did have some merit as the HD level of the PS3 was at a higher level than that of the 360. Yeah, I know that technically the 360 was HD as well, but the PS3 was at a higher level of HD and hence the coined phrase of "true HD". It is much easier saying this than trying to educate joe consumer in resolution levels, progressive/interlaced, lines of resolution,etc. This bores most people and most just don't care or want to understand. So I see nothing wrong with that comment-viewed in the proper context.

Another point is that you are judging the system way too early. What happens when the power is harnessed and it really does look heads and shoulders better than the competition? Will the hate and disappointment still be there because it did not blow your socks off from day one? Just a thought.

And if you said the opposite of my previous post, then I have no idea where you are coming from. You claimed and I quote, "Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised." I don't know about you, but that sounds like you just said that you are disappointed and cannot appreciate it for what it is because it did not live up to the hype in your eyes.

Sorry you cant see through PR.

You might want to get off this board. If you believe all that 4D 120FPS nonsense.

Home is supposed to be the XBL killer, if im correct XBL wasn't available at launch, atleast thats what my friend told me, and he's one of the worst lems i've ever know. He's the equivalent to the Chad Warden/PS3.

SiLkYsHoT33

Sorry sir, your wrong as two left shoes. XBL has been available since the Xbox.... :shock:

"If you really think that a few failed promises over the course of a year and a half are enough to make me forget about over 10 years worth of great support coupled with a great console gaming experience then something it really wrong with me" Problem is Sony did this to with the PS2. They made the same type of Super computer claims with the PS2, luckily for them they had enough 3rd party support to blind the Sony fans from the over hyped promises they made for the PS2. Where is AOL and Netscape and media streaming for the PS2 like they promised?swanlee

The problem with all of these arguements that bash Sony, is that no one gives a flying fart. Do you think the average joe consumer even knows what e3 even is? Let alone who J Allard, Ken K, or Reggie even are? No one cares about this stuff in the real world. The only thing people care about is the experience that a product gives them. Over the past decade, Sony has given us all amazing products that we have all enjoyed and the future looks no different. All people care about is a dependable system that has games they want to play. The PS3 already has some great games and the lineup starting in August all the way as far as the eye can see looks pretty darn amazing.

What real people and real gamers care about is getting something that works and gives them countless hours of entertainment. The only system that I can see real people hating is the 360--due to its lack of dependability. This is something that everyone should care about and make MS fix. I commend them on the 3 year warranty, but I do hope they actually fix the problem. Let us hope that the new 65nm chipset resolves the issue.

"If you believe all that 4D 120FPS nonsense" Who said we believed it except for the hordes of Sony COWS that used those bullet points to belittle the 360.? It says something though about a company where high ranking officials would get on stage at E3 and go to the press and spout off total lies about their product like Sony has done. I'm so sure they full intended on launching in Spring of 06 as well.swanlee

First off Sony never promised 120fps. So enough of that garbage. And 4d doesn't really mean anything to begin with. I can't help it if Sony fanatics were being ignorant and crazy. I think the resposiblity lies in your hands to have knocked those whackos down a peg. But to blame all of this on Sony makes about as much sense as the Sony fanatics claiming that they will be gaming in 4d at 120fps.

And if you said the opposite of my previous post, then I have no idea where you are coming from. You claimed and I quote, "Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised." I don't know about you, but that sounds like you just said that you are disappointed and cannot appreciate it for what it is because it did not live up to the hype in your eyes.

HuhJustaBox

You've got it completely wrong. The whole point of the thread was to highlight the reasons for people being so anti-PS3, when on face value it appears to be a console with no reason to be criticised. The reason, in my opinion, is that it was over-hyped to such a rediculous degree that when it finally launched its own excellence was over-shadowed by the fact that it didn't do many of the things it was supposed to. It was a brilliant, new Playstation, but many cant see it for that because they were expecting a behemoth giga-machine which annihilated everything else out there; because that's what Sony told you they had. That's what they told you was coming.

As for the fact sheet... going through every single feature and saying "look its still there!" is incredibly juvenile. Oh it has a processor you say? Wow. I honestly doubted that for a games console.

The point above all of this is that the PS3 was deceptively hyped by Sony as a machine far, far more capable than the "xbox 1.5" and it is not. The two are on an equal footing.

Sorry you cant see through PR.

You might want to get off this board. If you believe all that 4D 120FPS nonsense.

iwo4life

You weren't here during the "xbox 1.5" era. You have no right to tell anyone to "get off this board" when you clearly dont know what we're even referencing.

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And if you said the opposite of my previous post, then I have no idea where you are coming from. You claimed and I quote, "Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised." I don't know about you, but that sounds like you just said that you are disappointed and cannot appreciate it for what it is because it did not live up to the hype in your eyes.

Ninja-Vox

You've got it completely wrong. The whole point of the thread was to highlight the reasons for people being so anti-PS3, when on face value it appears to be a console with no reason to be criticised. The reason, in my opinion, is that it was over-hyped to such a rediculous degree that when it finally launched its own excellence was over-shadowed by the fact that it didn't do many of the things it was supposed to. It was a brilliant, new Playstation, but many cant see it for that because they were expecting a behemoth giga-machine which annihilated everything else out there; because that's what Sony told you they had. That's what they told you was coming.

As for the fact sheet... going through every single feature and saying "look its still there!" is incredibly juvenile. Oh it has a processor you say? Wow. I honestly doubted that for a games console.

The point above all of this is that the PS3 was deceptively hyped by Sony as a machine far, far more capable than the "xbox 1.5" and it is not. The two are on an equal footing.

I really dont understand how someone can not understand what your saying. Bottom line, the PS3 was hyped to hell and beyond and now its painfully obvious (especially to blind fanboys) that the hype was just that.....HYPE. It has lived up to nothing other than being released, and THAT was suppose to happen last spring. :shock:

I really dont understand how someone can not understand what your saying. Bottom line, the PS3 was hyped to hell and beyond and now its painfully obvious (especially to blind fanboys) that the hype was just that.....HYPE. It has lived up to nothing other than being released, and THAT was suppose to happen last spring. :shock:

Magical_Zebra

I'm having trouble with one or two die-hards who refuse to admit the Playstation 3 was promised to be more than it actually was; although trying to argue that is a losing battle. Other than that, the main problem appears to be with people who just aren't reading the post and dive in telling me why the PS3 is awesome and how i should probably just leave these boards because i suck. :roll:

Thank you for the reminder that some people DO actually read a post before replying though.

Before i say anything, this is just an opinion. If you disagree, i'm open to other interpretation. Dont post just to yell at me.

On to the actual topic....

When i first got my 360 (launch day), i was disappointed. If it weren't for Call of Duty 2 being an awesome game, i'm confident i would have sold it on ebay for the extra cash they were going for back then. Why was i disappointed? Because it wasn't wowing me. I bought Perfect Dark Zero based off my love for the original, and i just wasn't impressed. It wasn't pulling off anything amazingly better than that xbox i'd owned for so long. Nothing which told me my money was well spent. I held on to it, though, mostly because of the wealth of stuff to do online with the videos and demos, and the funky user interface which let me play all the music and video i had on my PC.

And that brings me to the PS3. I held on to the 360 because it came out of the gate as a next-gen xbox, and that's what it was. A new, vastly improved, ready-to-evolve xbox. I was content with it until GRAW and Oblivion arrived and it really started to pick up steam.

What, then, is the Playstation 3?

Its a worthy competitor to the xbox 360. A next-gen games system. A new, ready-to-evolve, vastly improved playstation. Why then am i so disappointed with it, to a far greater degree than with my Xbox?

Because of what it was SUPPOSED to be, which many PS3 fanboys around here have forgotten so quickly. This machine was supposed to make the xbox 360 look like a PS2. It was meant to run games at 1080p, at 120 frames per second. It was a games console with power so great it was classed as a "supercomputer". It was supposed to have a controller so innovative, they were calling it a transition into "4d gaming". A console so awesome, next-gen hadn't started yet. Not until the PS3 launched, they said.

And what was it when it finally came out? Nice graphics pretty much equal to the 360 (though Gears of War is king to this day). A controller so last-minute an entire major developer/publishing corporation outright refuses to use it. Online which though free, is nowhere near the xbox-live-killer which was supposedly in the works all this time. Games run equal to - or on many occasions worse than - their xbox 360 counterparts. No 120fps, 1080p in any games. No super-computer processing. Has next-gen started? Yes. And it did so nearly two years ago with the xbox 360.

And that, in my humble opinion, is the problem with the Playstation 3. Its an amazing system. The best playstation yet. If you forget about the games and the like and just compare the hardware you get for the price, its just as good as the xbox 360. Yet can we appreciate it for that? No. Because it isn't a shadow of what was promised. It isn't what it was supposed to be; and that's why i think so few people have bought one, and why so many bash it relentlessly on these forums.

Ninja-Vox

So Sony is the only gaming company that promises things and don't deliver? That long paragraph sounds like a person how doesn't have one, and has already announced your loyalty to MS but that doesn't make them perfect because they don't always come through on the things they have promised but it happensand it doesn't stop the company for pushing forward.

Not saying that Sony isn't at fault but that is called Advertising, you have to get the word out of your product, heck we see it with all electronics tv's, cells, etc....

it took one year for the 360 to put out its best... so why is everybody judging the ps3 when we all know the most wanted games are comming soonmattyomo99

"Most Wanted" is an opinion...just like the TC has claimed his post was. I personally think (so please don't put me in that bucket of "everybody") that the "Tune in Next Time" game list for the PS3 is mostly a pile of garbage which is why I haven't shelled out more of my hard earned cash on buying that system too. Hype, Fanaticism, and Wait - That seems to be the motto for the Playstation brand right now.

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No they did not! This was never promised. The original alpha design of the PS3 had dual HDMI--this was a Prototype. A prototype means that ALL specs are subject to change. Sony decided that it was to costly to have dual HDMI and that most games would not support this function as not many people have one HDTV let alone two in the same room to take advantage of this function. This was a SMART cost savings move. The PS3 cost enough as it is, would you really want to pay more for it.

And again the 120fps was never promised and explained in my previous post.

HuhJustaBox

Then why was everyone bragging about it?

I don't have a clue. Why don't you ask them? I mean no disrespect and am not aiming this at you--butin general--you can't say that Sony lied because some idiot fanboy lacks comprehension skills and braggs about something that Sony really never said or promised. Again this is for everyone, as I see this happen all of the time, with all console makers getting attacked. The lack of comprehension needs to be resolved, and I hope I helped a little in this thread.

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