The Playstation VITA has a launch killer app - Uncharted: Golden Abyss!

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[QUOTE="vtbob88"]

There is also the fact that the game is going to be exactly like those console games whereas the 3DS games are all generally designed differently to play on a handheld, or at least to play differently due to the duel screens. His point is, why buy another of a game extremely similar to one bought a few months ago. No double standard here, if Sony would design their handheld games for a handheld it would be the same as the nintendo handhelds. That's my reason for not being interested in Vita also, I have a PS3 that does all the same thigns except on a bigger screen. I can't play games designed the way they are for a 3DS on another system.

peterw007

My god that handheld experience BS is overused and just plain wrong. It's hilarious to see such an outdated and stupid argument like that STILL get used. I'm tired of repeating myself. You 3DS fans can stay deluded if you want. Those of us that aren't fanboys(for the record I do have a 3DS), can see the Vita has plenty of experiences made specifically for Vita AND full console type experiences.

I love how you boast about how his argument is wrong and outdated but you don't give any reasons to actually counter his argument.

Not too mention that they arent seeing that there are a ton of games on 3DS and DS that played drastically differnt than console games in the same genre. The best example would be the Zelda games on the DS. They play, control, and look nothing like the console games. That is what I am talking about, there are a good amount of games that are unique when played on one of Nintendo's handhelds compared to their console. You can't argue that or call it outdated when it is currently going on. Also, a game like I am playing now Mario and Luigi Bowsers Inside Story, would not work at all on a console. They would have to completely change the design of the game to make it work. However, I can see just about all of the games on playstations portables playing just fine on a console.

I am not bashing the PSP or PSV, I am just saying why I do not have much interest in either of them. I know there are people that want a console experience on a handheld but thats not what I am looking for.

Trust me, that Uncharted is not a launch killer app.

]Vita:Sonys bottom quality devs involved and games have lower quality than the console versions and offer a very similar experience to the console games.zeldisco2009

Trust me, that Uncharted is not a launch killer app.

tjricardo089

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Trust me, that Uncharted is not a launch killer app.

ebrezzy1

I think it is partly because the game is not made by Naughty Dog and people are worried about how it will turn out. Also, it may be because with Sony there are several new IPs, but by having several more recently created IPs they don't really have one that is known as a system seller since they have all really come out on their newest system.

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]]Vita:Sonys bottom quality devs involved and games have lower quality than the console versions and offer a very similar experience to the console games.p4s2p0

you are only proving my point.You dont want to tell me that PSP resistance games are better than the PS3 Resistance games made by Insomniac,that PSP God of War games are better than the PS3/Ps2 God of War games by made Santa Monica etc.Metacritic is proving my point and not yours,there might be excepetions but my point is 99% right.

I finally got the chance to play the PSVita and UC:GA today. I don't think the PSV is as great as the PSP, it feels more cheap and the layout/size of the buttons aren't perfect. That UC:GA seemed to run at a low FPS and just didn't seem to look as great as I thought it would.

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"][QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]]Vita:Sonys bottom quality devs involved and games have lower quality than the console versions and offer a very similar experience to the console games.zeldisco2009

you are only proving my point.You dont want to tell me that PSP resistance games are better than the PS3 Resistance games made by Insomniac,that PSP God of War games are better than the PS3/Ps2 God of War games by made Santa Monica etc.Metacritic is proving my point and not yours,there might be excepetions but my point is 99% right.

Have you held a Vita? It has awful analog sticks.. Id try to avoid playing a third person shooter type game on it. :S I would have preferred two of the slide pad thingys the original psp had one of. I cancelled my pre order. I will wait a year then get it when its cheap. doll94

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[QUOTE="p4s2p0"] Examples of good psp devs ready at dawn for god of war. sce bend studio for resistance, slant six games for socom.So your comment sounds more like an opinion.p4s2p0

you are only proving my point.You dont want to tell me that PSP resistance games are better than the PS3 Resistance games made by Insomniac,that PSP God of War games are better than the PS3/Ps2 God of War games by made Santa Monica etc.Metacritic is proving my point and not yours,there might be excepetions but my point is 99% right.

Mario Kart and New Mario Bros sold both past 20 million each on the Wii and also past 20 million each on the DS.In the GBA and Gamecube era your point would have been invalid as well."Good" is subjective and it might have been acceptable if the experince diffred signifigantly from console games,but the experince is too similar to consoles games thus you have a games which have lower quality than the similar console games and thus are not worth playing or at least dont deserve any priority.if I play Mario and Zelda on handhelds I expect a differenct experience from console games with the same top quality, simply"good" would be very disappointing.

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"][QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

you are only proving my point.You dont want to tell me that PSP resistance games are better than the PS3 Resistance games made by Insomniac,that PSP God of War games are better than the PS3/Ps2 God of War games by made Santa Monica etc.Metacritic is proving my point and not yours,there might be excepetions but my point is 99% right.

zeldisco2009

Mario Kart and New Mario Bros sold both past 20 million each on the Wii and also past 20 million each on the DS.In the GBA and Gamecube era your point would have been invalid as well."Good" is subjective and it might have been acceptable if the experince diffred signifigantly from console games,but the experince is too similar to consoles games thus you have a games which have lower quality than the similar console games and thus are not worth playing or at least dont deserve any priority.if I play Mario and Zelda on handhelds I expect a differenct experience from console games with the same top quality, simply"good" would be very disappointing.

After being very disappointed with Drake's Deception, I'm not too enthusiastic about another Uncharted game, especially one on a handheld system.

How is it that people say there are no good launch games? It has Uncharted from the start, a high quality title. When the 3DS came out, it didn't have a single killer app. I can't believe my eyes when i read that it lacks a launch line up, even the rest of the games apart from Uncharted are not even that bad. Compare that to the horrible third and first party 3DS games at launch, the only game worth it was SF.

Since when is Uncharted not worth playing or buying a system over?

Second_Hokage

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="burgeg"]:lol:

My god that handheld experience BS is overused and just plain wrong. It's hilarious to see such an outdated and stupid argument like that STILL get used. I'm tired of repeating myself. You 3DS fans can stay deluded if you want. Those of us that aren't fanboys(for the record I do have a 3DS), can see the Vita has plenty of experiences made specifically for Vita AND full console type experiences.

vtbob88

I love how you boast about how his argument is wrong and outdated but you don't give any reasons to actually counter his argument.

Not too mention that they arent seeing that there are a ton of games on 3DS and DS that played drastically differnt than console games in the same genre. The best example would be the Zelda games on the DS. They play, control, and look nothing like the console games. That is what I am talking about, there are a good amount of games that are unique when played on one of Nintendo's handhelds compared to their console. You can't argue that or call it outdated when it is currently going on. Also, a game like I am playing now Mario and Luigi Bowsers Inside Story, would not work at all on a console. They would have to completely change the design of the game to make it work. However, I can see just about all of the games on playstations portables playing just fine on a console.

I am not bashing the PSP or PSV, I am just saying why I do not have much interest in either of them. I know there are people that want a console experience on a handheld but thats not what I am looking for.

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

How is it that people say there are no good launch games? It has Uncharted from the start, a high quality title. When the 3DS came out, it didn't have a single killer app. I can't believe my eyes when i read that it lacks a launch line up, even the rest of the games apart from Uncharted are not even that bad. Compare that to the horrible third and first party 3DS games at launch, the only game worth it was SF.

Since when is Uncharted not worth playing or buying a system over?

bonesawisready5

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

How is it that people say there are no good launch games? It has Uncharted from the start, a high quality title. When the 3DS came out, it didn't have a single killer app. I can't believe my eyes when i read that it lacks a launch line up, even the rest of the games apart from Uncharted are not even that bad. Compare that to the horrible third and first party 3DS games at launch, the only game worth it was SF.

Since when is Uncharted not worth playing or buying a system over?

p4s2p0

I guess I'll have to spell it out...

Attention, geniuses at System Wars. A killer app is a piece of software that drives tons of people to buy the hardware that plays it. It is not a great game that you may like or even one that gets great reviews all over the Internets.

i played the demo of uncharted and it played pretty well, it didnt feel like a killer app though

Sony is pretty sneaky, they price the Vita at $250 (only a fool would get the 3G model) and considering the system is just about as powerful as a PS3, it sounds like a fair deal. But then you find out about the over priced add ons like the memory card ect... and the short battery life.

Vita is more pricey than people want to admit, I think the system it'self is a great product though, and it's not going to be "doomed", but I'm going to see where it goes first. Probably wait for a price drop for me.

But ya Uncharted is awesome and it looks great on Vita, but Naughty Dogisn't making the game so let's hope it will turn out great. But I don't think anyone can really match Naughty Dog'squality.

I'm not going to buy a system for an 8 hour long game.

I guess I'll have to spell it out...

Attention, geniuses at System Wars. A killer app is a piece of software that drives tons of people to buy the hardware that plays it. It is not a great game that you may like or even one that gets great reviews all over the Internets.

LordQuorthon

This, a killer app will be New Super Mario Bros or Tetris. Uncharted caters to Uncharted fans only

I guess I'll have to spell it out...

Attention, geniuses at System Wars. A killer app is a piece of software that drives tons of people to buy the hardware that plays it. It is not a great game that you may like or even one that gets great reviews all over the Internets.

LordQuorthon

So I assume the 'geniuses' you're referring to are of the bovine variety? :P

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]Ive just had a spin on a vita in store. I checked out Uncharted and Wipeout. First impression are that the console is good. Its bigger than I expected, and feels good in your hands. Uncharted is meh though, I wouldnt buy it. Its a stripped down console game, not the experience I was looking for in a handheld. Wipeout is just wipeout. It runs well enough. I dont think Uncharted is 'killer app' in fact its pretty pointless, and going down this route with games will be the death of the Vita. They need games for handhelds, not stripped down PS3 games. I dont want to buy a new game and feel its a lesser game than I could be playing on a PS3. bonesawisready5

Are you guys just going to ignore Escape Plan, Little Deviants, LBP, Sound Shapes, and the like?

It could be the greatest handheld game of all time, but it's not a killer app.Sales will be good, but only when the Vita is more established down the road.

For those who think that Golden Abyss is a stripped down console version or is exactly like the console versions, it isn't. It's designed differently with a bigger focus on adventure and exploration than flashy cinematics and linearity. It also lasts longer than the latest Uncharted game. Aiming has said to be an issue for some but GA uses a different aiming approach than the console games: you use the sticks for general direction and motion controls for precision. And I haven't heard any complaints about this.

For those who think that Golden Abyss is a stripped down console version or is exactly like the console versions, it isn't. It's designed differently with a bigger focus on adventure and exploration than flashy cinematics and linearity. It also lasts longer than the latest Uncharted game. Aiming has said to be an issue for some but GA uses a different aiming approach than the console games: you use the sticks for general direction and motion controls for precision. And I haven't heard any complaints about this.

minh800

It's also developed by Bend Studio, not Naughty Dog.

With Mario, the same team who created Super Mario Galaxy created Super Mario 3D Land.

But Sony traditionally outsources its handheld games to smaller, lesser-known studios.

For some people, this is a big deal.

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For those who think that Golden Abyss is a stripped down console version or is exactly like the console versions, it isn't. It's designed differently with a bigger focus on adventure and exploration than flashy cinematics and linearity. It also lasts longer than the latest Uncharted game. Aiming has said to be an issue for some but GA uses a different aiming approach than the console games: you use the sticks for general direction and motion controls for precision. And I haven't heard any complaints about this.

peterw007

It's also developed by Sony Bend, not Naughty Dog.

With Mario, the same team who created Super Mario Galaxy created Super Mario 3D Land.

Sony traditionally outsources its handheld games to smaller, lesser-known studios.

For some people, this is a big deal.

Retro developed Metroid Prime, not Sakamoto's team.

Retro did not develop Metroid Prime Hunters, however.

Luigi's Mansion 2 is being outsourced.

Zelda Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks were developed by different teams than the console games. Minish Cap and the Oracle games were outsourced to Capcom.

Kirby's Epic Yarn wasn't made by Hal-Laboratories.

It's hypocrisy. Even if Naughty Dog developed it, they would use a different team. Heck, even UC3 wasn't made by UC2's full team.

Are you guys just going to ignore Escape Plan, Little Deviants, LBP, Sound Shapes, and the like?

minh800

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

For those who think that Golden Abyss is a stripped down console version or is exactly like the console versions, it isn't. It's designed differently with a bigger focus on adventure and exploration than flashy cinematics and linearity. It also lasts longer than the latest Uncharted game. Aiming has said to be an issue for some but GA uses a different aiming approach than the console games: you use the sticks for general direction and motion controls for precision. And I haven't heard any complaints about this.

minh800

It's also developed by Sony Bend, not Naughty Dog.

With Mario, the same team who created Super Mario Galaxy created Super Mario 3D Land.

Sony traditionally outsources its handheld games to smaller, lesser-known studios.

For some people, this is a big deal.

Retro developed Metroid Prime, not Sakamoto's team.

Retro did not develop Metroid Prime Hunters, however.

Luigi's Mansion 2 is being outsourced.

Zelda Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks were developed by different teams than the console games. Minish Cap and the Oracle games were outsourced to Capcom.

Kirby's Epic Yarn wasn't made by Hal-Laboratories.

It's hypocrisy. Even if Naughty Dog developed it, they would use a different team. Heck, even UC3 wasn't made by UC2's full team.

I didn't say outsourcing is a bad thing.

I just said it's a detractor for some people.

Like when Sony outsourced Crash after Crash 3...the quality of the Crash games declined.

We'll see when Golden Abyss hits U.S. shores how it matches up to the console Uncharted series.

Meh.... I have a PS3 and Uncharted 1,2 & 3....

not buying a Vita, no interest in it.... I have a 3DS meaning I have Zelda OoT, Super Mario 3D Land, tomorrow I'll have Resident Evil Revelations.... soon I'll have Luigi's Mansion 2, Paper Mario 3D, Kid Icarus... and so on.

My point is... I have no need of a Vita.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Are you guys just going to ignore Escape Plan, Little Deviants, LBP, Sound Shapes, and the like?

HarlockJC

How does it not matter? It's the same situation as people who say there are no new IPs coming out. When you show them new IPs, they just turn their head and come up with a ridiculous excuse with why they don't matter.

And just to clear something up, the public RARELY pays attention to what people erroneously call "handheld" games. The best selling games are the ones that are from popular franchises, not the ones that you can play for small chunks. Monster Hunter isn't a "portable" experience. Resident Evil Revelations isn't. Uncharted isn't either. Yet, they're going to sell really well. Why? Because the public doesn't care about what forum users think handhelds should provide.

In my opinion the killer app for the Vita is Wipeout 2048! It looks so awesome and Wipeout is criminally underrated! It's got a ton of other awesome looking games at launch:

Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Unit 13
Escape Plan
Rayman Origins
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus
Gravity Rush
Ridge Racer

How can people say this thing has no games? That's one of the best launch line ups I've ever seen.

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's also developed by Sony Bend, not Naughty Dog.

With Mario, the same team who created Super Mario Galaxy created Super Mario 3D Land.

Sony traditionally outsources its handheld games to smaller, lesser-known studios.

For some people, this is a big deal.

peterw007

Retro developed Metroid Prime, not Sakamoto's team.

Retro did not develop Metroid Prime Hunters, however.

Luigi's Mansion 2 is being outsourced.

Zelda Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks were developed by different teams than the console games. Minish Cap and the Oracle games were outsourced to Capcom.

Kirby's Epic Yarn wasn't made by Hal-Laboratories.

It's hypocrisy. Even if Naughty Dog developed it, they would use a different team. Heck, even UC3 wasn't made by UC2's full team.

I didn't say outsourcing is a bad thing.

I just said it's a detractor for some people.

Like when Sony outsourced Crash after Crash 3...the quality of the Crash games declined.

We'll see when Golden Abyss hits U.S. shores how it matches up to the console Uncharted series.

But the "some people" tend to be sheep or, at the least, big Ninty handheld supporters. It's hypocrisy.

And Sony sold the rights to Crash. They didn't outsource it.

How is it that people say there are no good launch games? It has Uncharted from the start, a high quality title. When the 3DS came out, it didn't have a single killer app. I can't believe my eyes when i read that it lacks a launch line up, even the rest of the games apart from Uncharted are not even that bad. Compare that to the horrible third and first party 3DS games at launch, the only game worth it was SF.

Since when is Uncharted not worth playing or buying a system over?

Second_Hokage

After Uncharted 2, i did not even bother renting Uncharted 3

I dont see what is special about it at all TBH

And definatly would never buy any system for such a shallow boring game

Maybe if it had a amazing RPG at launch, that would do it

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]Ive just had a spin on a vita in store. I checked out Uncharted and Wipeout. First impression are that the console is good. Its bigger than I expected, and feels good in your hands. Uncharted is meh though, I wouldnt buy it. Its a stripped down console game, not the experience I was looking for in a handheld. Wipeout is just wipeout. It runs well enough. I dont think Uncharted is 'killer app' in fact its pretty pointless, and going down this route with games will be the death of the Vita. They need games for handhelds, not stripped down PS3 games. I dont want to buy a new game and feel its a lesser game than I could be playing on a PS3. BibiMaghoo

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Meh.... I have a PS3 and Uncharted 1,2 & 3....

not buying a Vita, no interest in it.... I have a 3DS meaning I have Zelda OoT, Super Mario 3D Land, tomorrow I'll have Resident Evil Revelations.... soon I'll have Luigi's Mansion 2, Paper Mario 3D, Kid Icarus... and so on.

My point is... I have no need of a Vita.

zarshack

Vita library can't even come close to that.

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

How is it that people say there are no good launch games? It has Uncharted from the start, a high quality title. When the 3DS came out, it didn't have a single killer app. I can't believe my eyes when i read that it lacks a launch line up, even the rest of the games apart from Uncharted are not even that bad. Compare that to the horrible third and first party 3DS games at launch, the only game worth it was SF.

Since when is Uncharted not worth playing or buying a system over?

sts106mat

Mario been around since i was 4 or 5. I'm 35 years old!!! Nathan Drake been around how many years? Obviously Mario has a legionof followers. But make no mistake, People do love Nathon Drake and his adventures.

/After Uncharted 2, i did not even bother renting Uncharted 3

I dont see what is special about it at all TBH

And definatly would never buy any system for such a shallow boring game

Maybe if it had a amazing RPG at launch, that would do it

loosingENDS

I just hope for their sake they keep it off PSNtomarlyn

Why do you say that?