The power of Blu Ray - are you happy?

[QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

EmperorSupreme

That article is not accurate at all. Here is why. Blu-ray technlogy is CLV constant linear velocity and reads at the same speed across the entire surface of the disk. DVD technology only reads at its advertised speed at the outside edge of the disc where it is spinning the fastest. Depending on the game there may or may not be data on the farthest edge of the disk. DVD drives also take a big hit in performace with dual layer disks or DVD9 which pretty much all games are.

and yet its proven wrong and wrong again with the fact that ps3 games have massive load times unless they use massive installs or caches on a faster hard drive...hmmm

DVD 8x speed is still faster then blu rays 2x speed.

[QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

EmperorSupreme

That article is not accurate at all. Here is why. Blu-ray technlogy is CLV constant linear velocity and reads at the same speed across the entire surface of the disk. DVD technology only reads at its advertised speed at the outside edge of the disc where it is spinning the fastest. Depending on the game there may or may not be data on the farthest edge of the disk. DVD drives also take a big hit in performace with dual layer disks or DVD9 which pretty much all games are.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

WilliamRLBaker

That article is not accurate at all. Here is why. Blu-ray technlogy is CLV constant linear velocity and reads at the same speed across the entire surface of the disk. DVD technology only reads at its advertised speed at the outside edge of the disc where it is spinning the fastest. Depending on the game there may or may not be data on the farthest edge of the disk. DVD drives also take a big hit in performace with dual layer disks or DVD9 which pretty much all games are.

and yet its proven wrong and wrong again with the fact that ps3 games have massive load times unless they use massive installs or caches on a faster hard drive...hmmm

Which games would those be? Uncharted doesn't have any load times, you can play start to finish with no load time, no installs and it's one of the best looking games graphically on any console.

[QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

DarthKalo

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=5

I just came across another flaw in this guys math. According to wikipedia: "For DVD base speed, or "1x speed", is 1.385 MB/s, equal to 1.32 MiB/s, approximately 9 times faster than CD's base speed. For Blu-ray drive base speed is 6,74 MB/s, equal to 6,43 MiB/s."

If PS3 has a 2x drive like he says that would make PS3 13.48 mb/s

[QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

EmperorSupreme

That article is not accurate at all. Here is why. Blu-ray technlogy is CLV constant linear velocity and reads at the same speed across the entire surface of the disk. DVD technology only reads at its advertised speed at the outside edge of the disc where it is spinning the fastest. Depending on the game there may or may not be data on the farthest edge of the disk. DVD drives also take a big hit in performace with dual layer disks or DVD9 which pretty much all games are.

The basic test comes when they compare 2 of the same games (no installation though) and the 360s load time is faster than the PS3. I am pretty sure developers put the data at the outer edge of the dvds because the already knows this. Yeah the whole game might not fix on the edge but it is still faster than the Bluray drive. That is why I dont support Bluray or the dead HDDVD, it just isnt very next gen since the only advantage is space. Games on flash will be the future, maybe not this gen but the next gen for sure, at least thats what I think.

Blu-Ray is awesome. No argument against it.

Arguing against technological advancement = Scrubbery.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

balindos

That article is not accurate at all. Here is why. Blu-ray technlogy is CLV constant linear velocity and reads at the same speed across the entire surface of the disk. DVD technology only reads at its advertised speed at the outside edge of the disc where it is spinning the fastest. Depending on the game there may or may not be data on the farthest edge of the disk. DVD drives also take a big hit in performace with dual layer disks or DVD9 which pretty much all games are.

The basic test comes when they compare 2 of the same games (no installation though) and the 360s load time is faster than the PS3. I am pretty sure developers put the data at the outer edge of the dvds because the already knows this. Yeah the whole game might not fix on the edge but it is still faster than the Bluray drive. That is why I dont support Bluray or the dead HDDVD, it just isnt very next gen since the only advantage is space. Games on flash will be the future, maybe not this gen but the next gen for sure, at least thats what I think.

Actually, the 4X Blu-ray read speed trashes the Xbox 360 drive, and when you get 6X all DVD is left in the dust.

It's just the one the PS3 used is 2X blu-ray

500gbhdd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blu Ray > DVD9. Anything else need settling? :PEddie-Vedder

blu-ray works for me, at least i know sony will have it perfected next gen while im struggling with the new xbox's formatAnimal-Mother

It'll probably be Blu-ray, unless some other format comes along that beats it out.

Technical superiority doesn't necessarily correlate to game quality/quantity superioty.

Just look at Ps2 and Xbox.

You know, for a long time, the question of "Was Blu Ray really needed?" has loomed in Cow's faces and they've sputtered for answers in the face of 6 hour Heaven Swords and droves of so-so exclusives that didn't live up to the hype that was heaped upon them... Well, finally, Cows have a pretty rock-solid answer to that question - and the answer is MGS4. With this whole 90 minute cutscene thing, and 10 hours of cutscenes in a game that, as a series, tends to struggle to reach 20 hours from start to finish, it's pretty clear that, yes, all of that storage space is likely needed so that you can watch those 10 hours of movies in your game.

My question to Cows is... Is this the triumphant "Told ya so!" that you wanted with Blu Ray - a victory that has no bearing on gameplay whatsoever? That developers will be able to cram more and more and more higher res CGI into your games to aid them in telling a story? So, in short, is this what you wanted from Blu Ray?
Shafftehr

You need to realize two things.

1. MGS4 isnt using any CGI its all real time so its not hi res CGI thats eating up the data.

2. The game is said to have about 9 hours of cutscenes and about 20 hours of actual gameplay last time I checked thats much longer then most 360 games.

I just came across another flaw in this guys math. According to wikipedia: "For DVD base speed, or "1x speed", is 1.385 MB/s, equal to 1.32 MiB/s, approximately 9 times faster than CD's base speed. For Blu-ray drive base speed is 6,74 MB/s, equal to 6,43 MiB/s."

If PS3 has a 2x drive like he says that would make PS3 13.48 mb/s

EmperorSupreme

It says a 2x drive reads 7.4mbps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluray

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]Even without the extra capacity for developers or the awesome movies I'd still love Blu-ray for one simple fact. Not a single one of my games has a scratch on it. No more having to "be careful" with my game disks. I love Blu-ray for that alone.ice144

So true...when I compare my ps3 games to the wii's/360's disks, the difference is astounding almost. Dont understand why cows dont use that as an argument.

[QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

EmperorSupreme

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=5

I just came across another flaw in this guys math. According to wikipedia: "For DVD base speed, or "1x speed", is 1.385 MB/s, equal to 1.32 MiB/s, approximately 9 times faster than CD's base speed. For Blu-ray drive base speed is 6,74 MB/s, equal to 6,43 MiB/s."

If PS3 has a 2x drive like he says that would make PS3 13.48 mb/s

You know, for a long time, the question of "Was Blu Ray really needed?" has loomed in Cow's faces and they've sputtered for answers in the face of 6 hour Heaven Swords and droves of so-so exclusives that didn't live up to the hype that was heaped upon them... Well, finally, Cows have a pretty rock-solid answer to that question - and the answer is MGS4. With this whole 90 minute cutscene thing, and 10 hours of cutscenes in a game that, as a series, tends to struggle to reach 20 hours from start to finish, it's pretty clear that, yes, all of that storage space is likely needed so that you can watch those 10 hours of movies in your game.[/QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

do you even know what PCM is???

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]is bluray the one causing these installations? or are the developers just taking advantage of the ready HDD?Shafftehr

its not the blu-ray discs, but the blu-ray drvie which only reads at like 6x speed. I still see no problem with loading times on any of my ps3 games. plus, if you run out of space you can back up all your game data and what not on the ps3 backup utility and buy a larger esata hardrive to repalce the smaller one WITHOUT VOIDING THE WARRANTY. :)

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

[QUOTE="LordoftheVacas"]But sony fanboys need to know that More space =/= better graphics.thrones

And 360 fanboys need to understand More space =/= longer games.

The extra space is used for full HD graphics and sound

Really???? Is that why very very few PS3 games run in 1080P or 720p for that matter? Face it BR was created for movies and movies only. Sony Trojan Horsed BR into the PS3 so it could make more money off movie sales. BR wasn't and still isn't needed for games. MGS4 didn't prove this with its 45g of uncompressed audio.

DVDs was created for movies as a priority.

And MGS4 doesn't have 45g of uncompressed audio, it has 7.1 lossless audio. Something you'll never see on the Xbox 360. And it won't take up that much data, tbh :|

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]More Space means more Stuff. More Stuff means a Better game. kingtito

Ummmmmm WRONG.

Theoretically, it's right. There's a reason games on floppy discs don't stand up to the current games. It's just.. at the moment, no one can be bothered to put data onto the Blu-ray.

going from cartridge to cd actually made a differance, moving from dvd to blue ray has made none, compare mario cart to grand theft auto, it changed , and it was a good change, you could actually tell it improved, if blue ray is that much better, why arent ps3 games looking revolutionary, and it seems the 360 is actually looking better in a lot of games, so for this gen, im gonna say its useless for gameplay and graphics, but great for audio and cinematics/cutscenes.

Blu Ray is essential to video games just like it is essential for high definition movies. First off I will say that Sony did put Blu ray in the Ps3 to win the format war, which they did meaning they will profit immensly from their victory, even though many people thought that hd-dvd would win (I wonder who the hd-dvd supporters are?). Even though I absolutely love the quality from Blu ray movies (and hate the price) Blu Ray games have their benefits too other than the special coating to prevent scratches (remember when people were trying to say that there was no coating so blu ray discs would scratch easier than cds? I swear some people just dunno what they are talking about).

As for games, it has been noted that the dvd's the 360's games are put onto might be too small. This was said by a developer from Rockstar who was working on GTA IV:

"The 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about...hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller."

Furthermore, I think the real advantage of Blu Ray has yet to be seen until more and more games start to be developed FOR the PS3 and not ported to the PS3. On top of that, many people have stated that there is still a lot of power to be tapped from the PS3 so I expect Blu Ray to play a larger role in the next few years. PS3 exclusives will be the first to demonstrate why blu ray is essential, but you will just have to sit back and see.

I hate cutscenes. They rarely add anything to the game, and seriously, who would watch an entire 90 minute cutscene? 10 hours of cutscenes. That's reason enough for me to never buy this game. You better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy.kevbo77

I guess you don't play Metal Gear games then because all of the story telling has been done through cutscenes.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] 500gbhdd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blu Ray > DVD9. Anything else need settling? :Pimprezawrx500

There's a problem with your logic. A 500gb hdd isn't going to be very portable now is it? Furthermore, what happens if you have a hard drive failure or a virus that whipes you out? If we assume that most HD movies will start to fill up the 50 gb blu ray discs that's ten movies you could put on a 500gb hard drive, and I won't even start to talk about how long it would take to dl 50gb's. ON TOP OF THAT, good luck fighting with the DRM on digital files if you are purchasing stuff legally. Last time I checked you can only play certain files in certain programs or on certain devices. It's going to suck if you can't bring a movie over to a friends house because your movie is stuck on a hard drive.

Stop kidding yourselves ... Blu-Ray is nothing new; the basic concept of the technology is exactly like the CD and DVD before it. It's just a much higher density disc allowing for more data storage. Meh. HDD technology has progressed the same way and is much more impressive in this regard. And believe it or not Hard disk drives will outpace Blu-Ray and will remain useable when digital distributions methods mature. The only true next-gen elements of it are, and were also available on HD-DVD, the digital HD video encoding formats. These video formats are not exclusive to the discs.deleted_basic

Digital Distribution will not mature for movies like it has for music, they are both entirely different animals.

1) Music is a portable medium. It requires no visual, and therefore can be played in the car, out on a jog, or anywhere without a penalty of missing what's going on. Movies are visual so you must be paying attention to whats happening on screen. Therefore this format is not as portable, you won't be watching a movie while driving your car or running and therefore there is much less need to put it on your ipod.

2). The visuals of a movie are very important to the overall experience. It has been proven that out of hd-dvd, digital distribution, and blu ray that blu ray has the highest quality (if you need the link I have it).

3) Movies, unlike music, are not hard to find at retail stores. Many stores have slim music selections and therefore the internet makes it much easier to find what you need. On top of that it is also cheaper. On the other hand, it is very easy to find just about any movie you are looking for at Wal Mart, Target, Best Buy, or whatever. Why download a movie when you can easily buy it and have the physical thing? Plus, the DRM on digital files is a huge headache for many people.

4) The current technology for hard disc drives and the internet is making digital distribution a thing of the future. If you want an HD movie collection on a hard disc you will need a large hard drive which is costly. On top of that, hard drives also consume more energy that blu ray players. Furthermore, hard drives are susceptable to failure which could mean possible loss of data. If a blu ray disc player fails at least you still have all of your movies. Also, if you are going to have all of your movies on a HDD you might as well but another one just to back everything up.

5) Blu ray movies can be played in the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners use their console for watching movies since it is the center of their home theater. If you have a PS3, and Blu ray offers the highest quality in movies, and your PS3 is hooked up to a 46" HDTV digital downloads are out of the question.

I gotta call some people out in this thread. I'm going to quote blocks of different people saying similar things and explain why I disagree.

I'm certain people were screaming the same things when they went from cartridges to cds, and from cds to dvds, people will always want things to remain same...while moving forward of course...and not change anything...while changing everything...and games should remain the same as the classics...while being completely different.

Here's the real humour, the same people who claim bluray was unneccessary, then say the ps3 hasn't advanced in any way this gen...it's mind boggling.

Andrew_Xavier

More Space means more Stuff. More Stuff means a Better game. black_awpN1

For anyone that still uses the argument Blu Ray was not needed....

Were DVDs needed?

Were HDTV needed?

Were CDs needed?

Were Cassettes needed?

Were color TVs needed?

Were 7.1 Surround Sounds needed?

Were 5.1 Surround Sounds needed?

Was Dolby Digital needed?

Were black and white TVs needed?

Rather you like it or not technology advances. Technology is also one of the slowest to become intergrated into the majority of people's lives. Just because it starts slow it does not mean it is a failure.

CajunShooter

Blu-Ray is awesome. No argument against it.

Arguing against technological advancement = Scrubbery.

X_CAPCOM_X

Ok. This argument really bugs me. Why? It paints resistance to Blu-ray as resistance to advancement, something as gamers we are all told to hold as an anathema.

But it's not that simple. As much as these guys would like to tell with their simple lists of technological advancements, consumer electronics are not always linear and they are not always logical.

We have PLENTY of examples in history of this happening. Why? Because despite being technically better, these new technologies did not provide WHAT CONSUMERS NEEDED.

Two startlingly apt examples:

• The Super CD, despite being superior, never replaced the CD.
• The MiniDisc, despite being superior, never replaced the cassette.

Other examples come across, like BetaMax losing to VHS, show that in electronics the strongest do not always survive. What black_awpN1 does is very conviently select the list of technologies that were successful (since hindsight is 20/20) and claims that all new technology is successful.

This is not the case. If it doesn't prove itself relevent or innovative, it won't fly. I fear Blu-ray may have this problem.

The other major flaw with this argument is that Blu-ray does not in fact represent the technological apex of media distribution. Digital distribution does.

And unlike Blu-ray, digital distribution is ridiculously appealing to consumers. It requires no extra hardware (like those pricey HDTVs which most people do not have) and is a huge leap in convience. Digital distribution has already taken the music industry by storm (iTunes makes more on music in the US than Walmart does now) and digital distribution of software on PC is eclipsing retail sales.

It's only a matter of time until DD becomes relevent to consoles, and by then I doubt these arbiters of progress promoting Blu-ray will be too keen on the idea.

More Space means more Stuff. More Stuff means a Better game. black_awpN1

This argument is so simplistic it hurts. Take into account the fact that the two greatest consumers of space on a disk and audio and CGI, more space doesn't mean more stuff, it means more CERTAIN TYPES of data.

And if you put too much of a certain type of data into a game (in this case, music and CGI), the game isn't going to be better. It's going to be a snooze.

Blu-Ray has been working great so far, and it was a lot easier than the transistion from VHS to DVD.Dreamable

Probably because the technology is so freaking derivative it doesn't even deserve to be called a full upgrade?

Oh and I'm assuming you had your HDTV before you got Blu-ray. If you didn't, I certainly can't see how the transition was smoother with that costly investment.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

loftus42

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=5

I just came across another flaw in this guys math. According to wikipedia: "For DVD base speed, or "1x speed", is 1.385 MB/s, equal to 1.32 MiB/s, approximately 9 times faster than CD's base speed. For Blu-ray drive base speed is 6,74 MB/s, equal to 6,43 MiB/s."

If PS3 has a 2x drive like he says that would make PS3 13.48 mb/s

that's true but ure article doesn't take in to consideration the difference between constant and non constant read speeds, so the 16.5 mbps is the max read speed of the dvd and not the average.. but you cant really compare them that way to each-other, because in some insistence's the dvd drive will be quicker and in others the bluray will be quicker, that's why i said on par.

Lets not forget sony's trend of giving there consoles 10 year of life...PS3 using bluray makes sense if they want it to be supported for the next decade, even against the new gen hardware....with bluray, it won't be so outdated.

One thing MS needs to think about, instead of making a console..have it last a few small years then kill it, for the next one..its like they just care about being number one, but theres no pashion there. everything has to be rushed.

Imagine if the PS2 used CD's like the dreamcast? it wouldn't have lasted this long, unless you wanted 10 cd's for one game.

think ahead TOO

Bluray may not be needed now for nintendo wii games or pc games or 360 games but it is very useful and will be needed for future uses. I think ps3 owners are happy with what bluray has offered them more then normal dvd owners would care about what dvds have given them. Here are a few reasons why we love bluray.

1.Bluray visually is better then dvd's

2.Bluray has alot more capacity space then dvd's

3.Bluray has better audio sound then dvd's

4.Bluray has an outer coating on the outside of each bluray disc to prevent scratches which always happen to dvd's or cd's which is a big plus.

Everything in bluray is better then dvd so I dont see why it wouldnt be useful for devs and us consumers. It may not be needed now from those who dont own a ps3 or a bluray player but believe me it is very useful for those who own one. U see that is the problem with this arguement and I agree with both sides that yes bluray isnt needed now but is it useful? Hells yeah it is useful and what u see now arent even devs taking full advantage of bluray. The first game that will really take advantage of bluray will be MGS4. From here on out though, I expect exclusive ps3 titles to really take advantage of bluray,

Sometime down the line, Sony will be releasing a new model of PS3 with a faster blu-ray drive. I don't think blu-ray will make a huge impact on games before this happens. Currently, it's great that blu-ray is offering large storage capacity but it's a double edged sword as large games equal large installs and a lot of gamers have to spend extra money upgrading their HD.

So I'll say what everyone has heard before...just wait until the PS3 gets a faster blu-ray drive...

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]I hate cutscenes. They rarely add anything to the game, and seriously, who would watch an entire 90 minute cutscene? 10 hours of cutscenes. That's reason enough for me to never buy this game. You better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy.Jrfanfreak88

I guess you don't play Metal Gear games then because all of the story telling has been done through cutscenes.

[QUOTE="deleted_basic"]Stop kidding yourselves ... Blu-Ray is nothing new; the basic concept of the technology is exactly like the CD and DVD before it. It's just a much higher density disc allowing for more data storage. Meh. HDD technology has progressed the same way and is much more impressive in this regard. And believe it or not Hard disk drives will outpace Blu-Ray and will remain useable when digital distributions methods mature. The only true next-gen elements of it are, and were also available on HD-DVD, the digital HD video encoding formats. These video formats are not exclusive to the discs.Jrfanfreak88

Digital Distribution will not mature for movies like it has for music, they are both entirely different animals.

1) Music is a portable medium. It requires no visual, and therefore can be played in the car, out on a jog, or anywhere without a penalty of missing what's going on. Movies are visual so you must be paying attention to whats happening on screen. Therefore this format is not as portable, you won't be watching a movie while driving your car or running and therefore there is much less need to put it on your ipod.

2). The visuals of a movie are very important to the overall experience. It has been proven that out of hd-dvd, digital distribution, and blu ray that blu ray has the highest quality (if you need the link I have it).

3) Movies, unlike music, are not hard to find at retail stores. Many stores have slim music selections and therefore the internet makes it much easier to find what you need. On top of that it is also cheaper. On the other hand, it is very easy to find just about any movie you are looking for at Wal Mart, Target, Best Buy, or whatever. Why download a movie when you can easily buy it and have the physical thing? Plus, the DRM on digital files is a huge headache for many people.

4) The current technology for hard disc drives and the internet is making digital distribution a thing of the future. If you want an HD movie collection on a hard disc you will need a large hard drive which is costly. On top of that, hard drives also consume more energy that blu ray players. Furthermore, hard drives are susceptable to failure which could mean possible loss of data. If a blu ray disc player fails at least you still have all of your movies. Also, if you are going to have all of your movies on a HDD you might as well but another one just to back everything up.

5) Blu ray movies can be played in the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners use their console for watching movies since it is the center of their home theater. If you have a PS3, and Blu ray offers the highest quality in movies, and your PS3 is hooked up to a 46" HDTV digital downloads are out of the question.

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]I hate cutscenes. They rarely add anything to the game, and seriously, who would watch an entire 90 minute cutscene? 10 hours of cutscenes. That's reason enough for me to never buy this game. You better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy.loftus42

I guess you don't play Metal Gear games then because all of the story telling has been done through cutscenes.

don't, even as a passing comment, try to speak for the fans. You have made it completely obvious in many post that you are not one.

Simplicity is often the better way of getting youre point across, If you have one.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="DarthKalo"][QUOTE="tumle"]and here you have the answer to the old folk's tale that the bluray drive in the ps3 is slower than the dvd drive in the 360..

its not. Its actually on par with each-other, the difference is, instead of having to seek out 9gb of data it has a possibility for 4x as much space to seek through.

tumle

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=5

I just came across another flaw in this guys math. According to wikipedia: "For DVD base speed, or "1x speed", is 1.385 MB/s, equal to 1.32 MiB/s, approximately 9 times faster than CD's base speed. For Blu-ray drive base speed is 6,74 MB/s, equal to 6,43 MiB/s."

If PS3 has a 2x drive like he says that would make PS3 13.48 mb/s

that's true but ure article doesn't take in to consideration the difference between constant and non constant read speeds, so the 16.5 mbps is the max read speed of the dvd and not the average.. but you cant really compare them that way to each-other, because in some insistence's the dvd drive will be quicker and in others the bluray will be quicker, that's why i said on par.

Bluray may not be needed now for nintendo wii games or pc games or 360 games but it is very useful and will be needed for future uses. I think ps3 owners are happy with what bluray has offered them more then normal dvd owners would care about what dvds have given them. Here are a few reasons why we love bluray.

1.Bluray visually is better then dvd's

2.Bluray has alot more capacity space then dvd's

3.Bluray has better audio sound then dvd's

4.Bluray has an outer coating on the outside of each bluray disc to prevent scratches which always happen to dvd's or cd's which is a big plus.

Everything in bluray is better then dvd so I dont see why it wouldnt be useful for devs and us consumers. It may not be needed now from those who dont own a ps3 or a bluray player but believe me it is very useful for those who own one. U see that is the problem with this arguement and I agree with both sides that yes bluray isnt needed now but is it useful? Hells yeah it is useful and what u see now arent even devs taking full advantage of bluray. The first game that will really take advantage of bluray will be MGS4. From here on out though, I expect exclusive ps3 titles to really take advantage of bluray,

clintos59

Imagine if the PS2 used CD's like the dreamcast?

Forensic-Klown

Get your facts together. The Dreamcast did not use CD's.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]I hate cutscenes. They rarely add anything to the game, and seriously, who would watch an entire 90 minute cutscene? 10 hours of cutscenes. That's reason enough for me to never buy this game. You better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy.FragTycoon

I guess you don't play Metal Gear games then because all of the story telling has been done through cutscenes.

don't, even as a passing comment, try to speak for the fans. You have made it completely obvious in many post that you are not one.

Simplicity is often the better way of getting youre point across, If you have one.

I'm happy with what Blu Ray affords (higher quality audio and more content) but I'm disappointed with the piss-poor implementation of it. PBSnipes

you right, i think blue-ray has come to early in the ps3 and we wil see its real impact probably in the next gen or towards the end of this gen.

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[QUOTE="kevbo77"]I hate cutscenes. They rarely add anything to the game, and seriously, who would watch an entire 90 minute cutscene? 10 hours of cutscenes. That's reason enough for me to never buy this game. You better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy.loftus42

I guess you don't play Metal Gear games then because all of the story telling has been done through cutscenes.

Dude, I said what I said because the person I was replying was saying "that's reason enough to not buy the game" and "you better be able to skip cutscenes or this game will just annoy. So, if he hates cutescenes enough to not buy the game then he probably doesn't play other Metal Gear games because you have to sit through some fairly long cutscenes to have any remote idea about what's going on. Futhermore, all metal gear games have had cutscenes that you can skip and to think Kojima wouldn't let you skip the ones in MGS4 probably means this guy doesn't play Metal Gear games at all. It doesn't matter to me what the general public thinks about the cutscene lenght because I have many questions I was answered from the past three Metal Gear games I have played through multiple times. You're darn right I am a fanboy but at least I know something about the game(s), unlike the person I was responding to. And just for the record, the cutscenes in the Metal Gear games happen to be some of the best action sequences in gaming period. What do you think most of those trailers are made up of? CUTSCENES, and they are AWESOME.

"I thought this game would sell a lot of games, but i think the "fans" of this game that will be able to sit for these cut scenes are in the minority"

This statement gives the perception that fans are somehow segregated. (ones that "will be able sit for these cut scenes" and ones that wont".

If you intended to say that the minority of the people who buy this game will be "fans"..... 7mil+ previous, possible fans is quite a minority.

I am a fan of MGS, but I am not blinded by that fact. IMO there are no perfect games. I have a uncanny ability for seeing games for what they are, and more importantly, what they are intended to be.

I also have the uncanny ability to see a hater. haters don't get to speak for fans even in SW ;)